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Comment Here on President Obama's Address On Health Care Reform

  1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    President Obama again demonstrated his considerable ability to speak persuasively. His advocacy of his health care proposals was powerful and convincing, in my opinion. He explained the details of his proposals, the reasons for them and the way they will work. And he debunked the lies that have been circulating about health care reform proposals. He provided practical and moral reasons for supporting his proposals.

    1. kartika damon profile image77
      kartika damonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree! I was elated he put forth both fire and reason and called out the party of no and those who are champions of the status quo! Joe Wilson was a disgrace!

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don't you see the problem for him in only further alienating those who were not in support of his plan to begin with?

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    We are all here watching.  He is knocking it out of the park.  smile

    Loved it when he called out all the lies.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      *Note:  They are going to "call out" whoever heckled the president, calling him a liar.  Per CNN.

    2. kartika damon profile image77
      kartika damonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Lita, I was thrilled to see the home run!

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi, Kartika.

        I am sure they were enjoying it in Iowa City, smile.

      2. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A 'homerun' in the batting cage gains you nothing.

  3. lrohner profile image85
    lrohnerposted 7 years ago

    His drivel cut into tonight's showing of 'Criminal Minds'. Thank God he finally shut up!

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      *snicker* haha...i like your forthrightness. or maybe it's that cute little dog...

  4. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    He-he, do I feel another hot Obama thread in the making lol

    1. lrohner profile image85
      lrohnerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Misha, your new avatar is SCARING THE HECK out of me. Change it back!

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        not until I get enough demand for that. I am in the evil mood tonight lol

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          Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Misha i love your new avatar, please keep it forever.

          1. lrohner profile image85
            lrohnerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nooooooooooooooooooo.......!!!!!!!!!!

          2. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks Nelle smile

        2. jiberish profile image78
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Will you at least change it to a smile, if I say that at first glance you looked like Al Gore?.....

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Whoa, Misha, now THAT'S an AVATAR!

      Oh, that's right, it's a health care reform/Obama thread.  Well, there are two key points that jump to mind, to wit:

      1.  Yes, the man is an awesome speaker.  That ability clearly had much to do with getting him to the Oval Office in the first place.

      2.  Whether he realizes it or not, putting limits on private insurance companies such as not allowing them to deny coverage for preexisting conditions, not allowing coverage caps, etc., definitely WILL produce government-only insurance in fairly short order.  There isn't an insurance company on the planet--greedy or not, and I don't dispute the greed factor--that can survive hits like that.  Net result:  Private companies go broke, government coverage becomes the Last Plan Standing.

      My qualifications to Comment:  Twelve years professionally as a commercial insurance underwriter--yeah, folks, I wore pinstriped suits and neckties, believe it or not.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I am far, far less qualified than you concerning insurance, but I would ask what you think of the current Medicare/private insurance options available for seniors.  I believe that IS a mix of both public and private options, correct?

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The thing is...insurance companies in Canada still make huge profits...some people buy extra health insurance like those who do not have coverage through work (I had to buy dental insurance when I had a job that did not cover it)

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          Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry, I simply don't believe that's possible.  Either the Canadian companies are able to restrict some of the risks they take...or they are getting subsidies under the table...or somebody's lying.

          1. megs78 profile image59
            megs78posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Why would anyone lie?  She's right.

      3. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I tried to do my best Ghost, glad you liked it too lol

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
          Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are we sure it's an avatar?

    3. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mom? (avatar looks familiar)

  5. lrohner profile image85
    lrohnerposted 7 years ago

    Now the Republicans are on there endorsing him. Will the madness never end?

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol...incorrect.  Not on CNN, anyway.  It's the opposition's rebuttal.

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        Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why did they choose someone from Louisiana to do the republican rebuttal. They have some of the worst stats on healthcare in the country. Maybe they couldn't get anyone else.

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    No point, no one is going to change their mind in this forum as far as I can see smile

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      Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No but we don't want it to be all one side speaking. I do believe we are fighting for the soul and character of our country. Don't want people to think everyone's against Obama and his plan. He's doing what the majority elected him to do.

      However i do agree with Lrohner on many things...now turning from CNN to Criminal Minds.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you smile I'm just so tired of the endless threads against health care reform. I hope you guys get something passed...

        I noticed the usual suspects have not posted yet, must be waiting for something to be posted on Fox news or a conservative blog so they know what to say smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The hard core 'haters' and those who just don't care and are not political won't change, but I have seen a few people influenced, wink.

      Anyway, politically speaking, Obama did very well.  A back to campaign-level speech.  How anyone can say the man is not eloquent and needs a teleprompter is beyond me.  He is possibly the best spoken president we've had (or at least that I can remember).

      He also continues to reach out to Republicans of common sense...who want to solve problems, not hog the media spotlight with outrageous fear-based vitriol.

      Rep. Wilson of South Carolina (R) is the heckler (lol...just in!).

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Watch this guy be made the latest hero by Fox et al. smile

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          wink  Woooooohoooo, hell, yeah!

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Well I was very interested in hearing him and it pleased me.

  8. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Don't they have rules in Congress against that kind of thing? I'm never heard a President be heckled there before. I know some people did not applaud Bush at times but I don't recall anyone heckling him.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep.  We were just discussing that...  McCain says...MCCAIN...that the guilty party was disrespectful and should apologize immediately.

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      Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lord I hope not, that's the most respected free speech in America - political speech. I think it lead an authentic feel to the whole thing. Bet he'll be having a beer at the White House soon smile

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    What did the teleprompter say?

    Who Heckled the teleprompter?

    Is it all still deficit neutral?

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Okay, don't believe me. Most insurance companies that also cover health cover house insurance, auto insurance, etc. I'm sure that it is the same way in the US.

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Uninvited, I'm not disbelieving you--I'm sure you're only reporting accurately what you've read.  I'm disbelieving what's been reported, though.  Example: Take a few terminal cancer cases with no cap, multiply those few times multimillion dollar treatment costs, and you can run even a large company into the ground in short order. 

      Unless Canadian doctors and hospitals provide such things for free as a public service....  Philanthropists one and all...?

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You, however, skipped my post directed to you concerning Medicare combining both private and public (basically) options.

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          Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Didn't skip it, Lita--just missed it entirely.

          Bottom line there is that I'm not a fan of Medicare, either.  I'm  65 and qualified but not a member and don't intend to be.  Have no health care coverage and am considerably irritated about Obama's plan to tax me for not having any--especially since I don't go to Emergency Rooms, either.  (Did once, back in my rodeo days, but paid cash for the visit--did not go there as an indigent.) 

          I also consider it highly unlikely that increasing health care will avoid increasing the deficit.  Obama can talk about how improving efficiency can save enough to pay for the whole thing, but talk is cheap.  Or in his case, exorbitantly expensive.

  11. Ralph Deeds profile image68
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    The Republicans didn't help themselves much, sitting on their hands and scowling, except for John McCain who came through with a big smile when Obama endorsed one of his campaign proposals. Congressman Joe Wilson didn't help their cause by shouting from the crowd at Obama, "That's a lie," when Obama denied that his proposal provided coverage for illegal aliens. Neither did the GOP congressman from Louisiana, Charles Boustany, who is a Birther who responded to a scam offering a British title of Lord in return for cash according to Kieth Olberman.

    http://blog.reidreport.com/tag/healthca … -boustany/

    Boustany conned by British scammers selling titles to gullible Americans

    http://hannah.smith-family.com/?p=3349

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That big noise was all by one guy?  Gotta admit, that's a Republican with a set of lungs...must not be a smoker!

      1. judydianne profile image80
        judydianneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What happened to respect for the Office of the President? It reminds me of the time back in the 80's when I went to my daughter's high school talent show. The principal came out and the kids starting booing! I couldn't believe the lack of respect!

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It ended with a stain on a blue dress.

          1. bgpappa profile image86
            bgpappaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            The sin of all sins

            It is interesting that the conservatives always point to Clinton as the President who committed the worst sins of all because of his affair with Monica.  Yet, so many conservatives have been taken down for similar trists including with young men.  In California, a Right Wing Republican was caught on tape talking about his affairs during a committee hearing.

            Yet, I have to be consistent, I thought it was personal issues with Clinton, and so I think the same for any of the Republicans who go through the same thing.

            But in terms of disrespect for the President, I think "I am not a crook",  "we did not trade arms for hostages" and George W. Bush in general did much to cause it. Clinton helped as well, but please remember that out of the last forty years, Democrats have held the office twelve of those years.  Obama will make 16 out of 44.

            1. RooBee profile image84
              RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah, "it will be a cakewalk'" and "we will be greeted as liberators" didn't help, .

              Don't fool yourself that Clinton was the first philandering president. He got caught and lied. Might have been a little embarrassing, but it didn't paint us as arrogant, war-mongering, ignoramuses.

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              RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Agreed. Very sensible and logical comment!

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Over 17,000 posts and counting on Huffingtonpost concerning Wilson's outburst.

      Boustany sounds like a winner!  True wanna-be elitist, wink

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    jexsterposted 7 years ago

    A wiff of greatness

    Obama's popularity jumped 14% in CNN snap poll

    The Asshole - Joe Wilson (R-SC)

    I tried to access his website to tell him that I've seen colored people with better manners but it crashed!

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "colored people?" What color are they?

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Aaach.  Obviously that was satire.

        Won't enlighten you.  Just think about it.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Obviously? Whats obvious about it?

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Well I DVR'd the speech and watched until I knew I couldn't take anymore, what I got was the government will force us to have a health insurance plan or pay a tax/fine, More Government interference in a free peoples lives!

    Government will dictate to private companies how they can run their business, more government control over industry!

    And who thinks Barry isn't a Socialist?

  14. Ron Montgomery profile image62
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    I didn't vote for Obama, but nights like this make me wish I had.  He shows great leadership skills at every opportunity and doesn't forget he's the President of all Americans, even the wackos who shout slanderous statements at him from the cheap seats.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I voted for him, and am happy I did. 

      There was only one public appearance I ever saw that I felt was off--that was with the Flu 'epidemic' speech segueing into concerns about the economy.  HE did not write it--apparent.  And it was poorly done...I felt a cover. 

      You can seriously tell with Obama when his thoughts/feelings are behind his words--a good thing.  Clinton, ie, was always very practiced.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure great speech making skills, nobody ever said he couldn't read what someone else wrote. He  has the Al Gore talent of telling sad stories and almost makes you believe he is sincere, I especially liked the "Chappaquiddick Teddy" remembrance moment.

      My favorite part was when he reminded us that in 1965 some believed medicare would lead to a government takeover of health care, uhhhhhhhhh, that is what it is leading to, just because it took 44 years doesn't mean it ain't happening.

      I'm sure the Obamabots are just giddy with his speech, too bad we have to pay through the nose for one mans legacy!

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You poor cynical man. sad

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Cynical is right, what has he done thats worked? Anything?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            By your definition - nothing.

            As I've said before, he kept Sarah Palin far away from the "nuke'em" button.  He can host beer summits for the next 7 1/2 years of his presidency for all I care.  Saving the world is enough.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I know thats right, Alaska and Alaskans didn't profit from her governance, Thats sarcasm in case you didn't get it!

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
                Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                How many terms for her?

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  How many terms does it take to benefit people? No clue how she governed huh? Just considered her Caribou Barbie? I guess you cast a well informed vote!

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Arizonans can't vote for Alaska's governor.  Alaska, as far as I know, has 0 nuclear weapons.  Most of her damage was confined to the environment.  It could have been much worse.  What's the tally for her latest legal bills?

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          Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Shucks, Ron, he's wearing rose tinted glasses compared to me...big_smile

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Glad I'm not the only one

          2. Ron Montgomery profile image62
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, but you at least have senility as an excuse. yikes

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              Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I was HOPING you'd go there!  Senior Discount RULES!!  Like the song lyric from Waylon & Willie states, "Old age and treachery always overcome youth and skill." lol

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
                Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'm right behind ya'.  In a few short years I'll be using my AAA, Student, and AARP discounts all at once.  They'll have to pay ME to stay at the motel 6 .

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Haha...  This just in.  The Democratic opposition of the Republican heckler from South Carolina has just made $42,000 in support money. Is website is being flooded with donations!

    Ooooo, that screaming was a bad move.  He may have a beer with the Pres, but he won't be re-elected. wink See, ya'll?  Glenn Beckisms just don't work in real life so much...  Even if you think you are 'witty' doing so on hubpage forums.

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    What nobody seems to realize is that the ONLY times a president addresses congress is 1) in a time of war and 2) the state of the union address. NO president has ever addressed congress over their "pet" bill. Which only shows, in even more stark relief, how little support he has over it.

    And Joe Wilson is the only one with any balls in that whole room.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He won't have them for long. lol

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm quaking in fear.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure, they're not yours.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure he's terrified of you.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's not me he needs to fear.  Actually he has nothing to fear now.  That was a great audition to become a Fox News contributor.  He already sounds smarter than Ollie North.

          P.S.  He must be afraid of something, he whimpered an apology within minutes of his rude outburst.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            or he simply was a man who felt he should have used a bit more decorum! I think the scumbag needs to be called out on his lies!

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image62
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So, just to calrify...
              You aren't an Obama fan?

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Just like your not a tksensei fan, except I may hate Obama a little more

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                  Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ah, but you're wrong there.  He whose true name I am now forbidden to speak is like the punching bag I always wanted as a child but never got.  You've got to be a fan of anyone who can keep taking those beatings and come back for more.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You gotta admit he comes up with some good ones from time to time

                  2. tksensei profile image58
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, I believe you never got one. Ever.

      3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        His balls are owned by the health industry...

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
          Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No doubt!

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Unlike Obama's, whose are owned by the communists.

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            egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hahahaha, pure intelligence on this forum...

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              Am I dead, yet?posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              -sigh- I agree.  'Communism'  is only a 'Red Herring' in these debate issues.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thems true words X where ya been?

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I guess you don't decide, do you, with that above paragraph?  Just a thought.

      And, Ma'am, you really need to stop using such language if you wish to continue impressing us as a 'lady.'  Go back to using "wonderful," etc. 

      wink

      1. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        good morning, lita.  speak for yourself, she doesn't impress me.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well, there is a LOT of gender confusion going on around the forums, if you know what I mean.  wink  lol

          Good morning, BD!

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            blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            i do know.

            it's time for you to start acting responsible.  become the man that...

            aw, we don't want to go there.  it's more fun to imagine you being this intelligent, articulate and good looking woman.  your real fans wouldn't want it any other way.

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol  Yeah, these last posts have left me REALLY confused.  smile

              For the record:  My bf actually likes this bl & wh photo (he hated my other one).  And there is something spooky 'bout Madame.  (Just between us!)

              1. blue dog profile image79
                blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                good for your bf, hopefully you'll listen to him!!

                yes, there are several spooks out there.  one just gave himself away on another thread.

      2. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL, coming from the likes of YOU... roll

  17. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Overall, I thought Obama's address on healthcare was well spoken and well received. He is obviously trying hard to pull everyone together rather than discounting worthy opposition.
    I, too, LOVED when he said those who spread lies and fear will be called out! Woo hoo!

    It appeared that on many of his points both Democrats and Republicans stood and clapped. He even managed a standing ovation from the Republicans only on the subject of reforms aimed at malpractice suits.

    After his careful laying out of all the REAL points in his plan and debunking the myths, I believe you'd have to be either a mule or an ostrich to oppose it.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      or not gullible

    2. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Or someone considering actual consequences rather than swallowing words uncritically.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Little butt sniffing troll, why don't you tell us what the "actual consequences" are that you didn't swallow uncritically

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you are going to resort to insult you might at least try a little harder. That is some weak, whiny shit comrade.

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            blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            i don't believe any of us interpreted it as an insult.

            1. tksensei profile image58
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              More hilarity from Cheech... roll

  18. bgpappa profile image86
    bgpappaposted 7 years ago

    We are all forum junkies A Texan.

    To get to the OP, I thought the speech was good just in terms in tone and hopefully the two sides can get together and get something done.

    But isn't it nice to have someone who can speak with such eloquence at the podium again?  Not knocking Bush too bad, even he admits he wasn't a great speaker.  I just admire great oratory.

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this



      Yeah, usually you have to turn to ANY news report to find someone who can read from a teleprompter well.  roll



      Let me know when you find some.

  19. tksensei profile image58
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    The speech was a mistake. The defiant, partisan tone, the generalisms with no details and no explanaitons of contradiction are not likely to win anyone to his side who wasn't there before the speech. Poll numbers will fall within a week.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      From AP:
      http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … QD9AK54S00

      Individuals would be required to carry basic health insurance. Those who can't afford it would get a hardship waiver.

      _Businesses would be required to offer their workers health care or chip in to help cover the cost. Ninety-five percent of small businesses would be exempt because of their size and narrow profit margin.

      _Medical malpractice reform is not a "silver bullet," but practicing "defensive medicine" can lead to unnecessary costs; demonstration projects will be reviewed to see what changes to medical malpractice insurance would work best.

      _It would be against the law for insurance companies to deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

      _Promised to protect Medicare and reassured the elderly that Medicare funds would not be used to overhaul health care.

      _A public option, or alternative to private insurance, needs to be available to the uninsured to "keep insurance companies honest."

      _The public option would not be subsidized by taxpayers, but would be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects; the Congressional Budget Office estimates that fewer than 5 percent of Americans would sign up.

      1. tksensei profile image58
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        = Government control & taxes will go up (a lot)



        = Most businesses will kick their workers to some DMV health plan AND unemployment will go up



        = not a damn thing will be done about tort reform



        = pandering with no specifics



        = those and any other funds will be used for whatever the hell the pols want just like they are from every other source



        = private ins companies will be systematically driven out of business



        = by the second year this 'option' will be deep in the red and taxes will be used to support it

  20. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    And was increased by lying about womd...

    Still, when in Congress you should show a modicum of respect for the system you obviously support or you would not be a congressman. I'm sure there are all sorts of procedures dealing with things like that. He was quite able to voice his opposition before or after the speech.

    Anyway, he has apologized.

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "Lying" is not an accurate choice of words.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Misleading?

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          "Wrong"

    2. judydianne profile image80
      judydianneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think he got the attention he wanted!

  21. tksensei profile image58
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Maybe a little bit more than he wanted...

  22. AEvans profile image71
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    He spoke fluently and clearly clarifying any rumors or lies I also noticed that the some of the Republicans were quite shrewd and it appeared to me that they acted like small children were they not supposed to be representing there states? One party yelled out liar only chidlren seem to do this to gain attention personally he should have kept his childish yapper shut.smile

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He spoke in generalisms and didn't clarify anything. No one who was opposed to his plan before is likely to have been persuaded by that speech.


      Preaching to his ever-shrinking choir.

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    ralwusposted 7 years ago

    Yes, he will be punished, and it won't be nice for him.

  24. kirwing profile image59
    kirwingposted 7 years ago

    Blue dog....Joe Wilson has balls...HHMM...I thought he was actually a eunuch that strapped on a pair of titanium balls to overshadow the presidents true intentions.....Republican idealogue is old hat, and it seems your hat wreakes of blood for oil dripping down your face like a cream pie melting in the dark breeze of war mongering and proliferating more of the same OLD HAT Idealogue. Educate us on the "NEW WORLD ORDER"....PLEEEZZZ

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hey, dude, or dudette,  EDUCATE me on where i have one single post in my entire existence on hubpages regarding joe wilson, or his balls.

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I had questions that weren't answered by the speech.

    1) 'Affordable' is a relative term. What I consider affordable might not be the same as what John McCain or Barack Obama consider affordable. If I'm going to be required to purchase private health insurance, I want to know what that's going to get me and how much it will cost, like, a dollar number. When I was still at the bank my share of the insurance cost was $50 a week in premiums--that was for a $2500 deductible and 80/20 after that. A SINGLE trip to the ER left me with over $5,000 in bills AFTER insurance paid. I don't want to pay a penny for another such policy, but if its going to cost me hundreds per month, I might as well leave the country now.

    2) If I can't afford it I'll get a tax credit? Hello? That helps me how exactly? I have to wait an entire year for that. Insurance premiums are due monthly.

    3) Malpractice litigation reform. Rilly? I live in Michigan. When No Fault insurance was instituted to keep the courts from clogging with liability lawsuits, it was supposed to save the state and its residents a ton of money. Now, (partly because of health care costs), those cost are absorbed by the state and its citizens. So the insurance companies are protected, and we have some of the most expensive auto insurance in the state. I'm not convinced that blocking or limiting malpractice insurance will bring MY costs down. I think it'll protect doctors and insurance companies and taxpayers will absorb those costs, just like happened with No Fault.

    4) This country is NOT full of wonderful people who do the right thing when called upon. There is a fairly huge asshole contingent in the U.S. and it's growing. Lots of people care about themselves, period, and not just that, they're proud of it. Mean and stupid and proud.

    5) I see nothing good on the horizon. I'm sorry, I just don't. Jobs are not coming back. This 'jobless recovery' will be at least 5 years bumping along the bottom. Michigan is  $3.5 BILLION in the hole for 2010.


    I'm really sick of the health care debate. Really, really sick of it. I have the sinking sense that this will just end up being a HUGE giveaway to the insurance companies who caused this mess in the first place.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, a perfect health care reform bill isn't likely. But I think it'll be an improvement over what we've got now.

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I know that was his point, and the point is taken, believe me, but I'm down to WIIFM now and all I'm saying is, we're stretched to the breaking point in this household already. I've taken a big hit in pay, I don't have $400 or $500 or $800 or whatever to fork over to a private insurance company each month. You can't get blood out of a stone.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Wow, Pam...  Here you come in being all articulate. lol

      Well, I do not think it is as bad as all that.  Things will get better.  And are getting better...just slowly.  The speech was aimed to clear up some misconceptions and unite.  To that end, I feel it was a success.

    3. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      yes, pam!
      as usual, your thoughts are those of the critical process.  it does little good to expand on your words.  well said.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    BD...what was that?  Did I miss it?

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      it's on the afghan thread. i'll pm.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm curious...couldn't figure it out smile

  27. profile image0
    Am I dead, yet?posted 7 years ago

    PGrundy states (4) "This country is NOT full of wonderful people who do the right thing when called upon. There is a fairly huge asshole contingent in the U.S. and it's growing. Lots of people care about themselves, period, and not just that, they're proud of it. Mean and stupid and proud."


    Very accurate statement.  Touche'.

    1. profile image0
      pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I personally know quite a few good writers who are staying away from Hub Pages until the U.S. quits going insane.

      That might take awhile. sad

      1. profile image0
        Am I dead, yet?posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I understand what you mean there. Thanks for being a voice of reason.

  28. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I know, it's juvenile. But...lol

    http://joewilsonisyourpreexistingcondition.com/

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    well

    i think the President should act like a president and ignore his detractors. obviously they must have some power or why would he bother? having a throwdown during a speech to Congress about a completely different topic just seemed kind of odd to me...

    i also thought the time for getting mileage from Teddy Kennedy should be past now...i mean all that's left are fumes at this point.

  30. nwind profile image61
    nwindposted 7 years ago

    I'm from Canada and boy oh boy you Americans are in for "change" that's for sure.

    If this health care goes through your economy may bring ours which is fine right now, down with your economy.

    We kicked our liberal socialists out of office 2 years ago.
    Thank God. Sorry I mentioned Him.lol

    Listen I love Americans.I have to, you protect us , but I still can't believe this wonderful speaking ,saying nothing, smooth community organizer is your President.
    This guy has the ability to look you in the eye and shoot you.
    Pretty cold dude for sure.

    He has you folks believing that the government is the answer.
    Show me where and when any government has been able to run anything without f---- it up.

    Look north Americans.Find out the truth about government run health care.
    Right now they have almost succeeded in killing my sister in law. She has 2 months left because she waits and waits at one of the best hospitals in the world in Toronto to get treated for her cancer.Just to finish her off financially they now have her paying HER MONEY  at the tune of $3000 monthly for drugs that will kill her more slowly. Did you get that? Everything cannot be covered.It is simple not affordable.
    They killed my aunt 10 years ago. She went to the U.S. after it was too late. They went broke trying to save her too.My uncle went back to work after retiring at 47 and set financially.
    He was 65 and is now 74 and still working.It's sad.

    You know George Bush was not the sharpest knife in the drawer but you knew where he stood. I liked his directness.

    This Obama is simply a liar and and way too arrogant.
    Last but not least he is a complete marxist without a doubt.Left of Castro who is one of his heroes it seems.

    This guy is only about one thing and that is control of as much of your life as he can get away with.Marxism to a tee.

    When will he stop blaming George Bush for your country's ills?


    He scares me and I'm from Canada.

    1. profile image0
      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He has a minority believing Government is the answer.

    2. hglick profile image83
      hglickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      NWIND - get ready for the kool-aid drinkers to get on your case
      Unfortunately Obama is not our major problem
      The deaf/dumb and blind media has prevented many people from hearing the truth.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What do you call your $1 coins? You're the first Canadian I've heard say anything that looney. I thought all the wing nuts were on this side of the border. Obama is a moderate democrat and a strong supporter of our democratic, free enterprise system. He is trying his best to save it from self-destructing as a result of the unfettered greed of the Wall Street banksters, the for profit health insurance and drug companies and so forth. And he believes the government should be concerned for the needs of the people it is supposed to be representing.

        1. tksensei profile image58
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOLOLOLololololLOLOLOLOLlolololol!!!!!!!!!!!

        2. hglick profile image83
          hglickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not Canadian

  31. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Something smells a little rotten here...

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      it's the exhaust fumes from an old red tractor.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Or the fertilizer smile

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I guess they finished polishing their six shooters and helpin' them pigs over the fence, and now they're here to share that good ole' boy wizdum.

    Goody.

  33. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    An old red tractor you say?
    BD, did you really say RED tractor?
    I wonder if our RED STATE friends are aware that RED is actually the color of COMMUNISM???!!!

    I am beginning to suspect that those who protest too much here on our forums mmay actually be MARXIST SPIES sent to see who is really patriotic and who is just pretending to be.
    LOL

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      oh great, now he's gonna paint his tractor blue.

      hopefully he'll finish his unfinished poem first.

  34. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Good ole boy wizdum is right.
    Did anyone else find it odd that the Republicans chose someone from ALABAMA to deliver their rebuttal last night? Are they flipping serious?

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A Heart surgeon from Louisiana

      And if you clowns believe I am manly poetry man you are very confused, hope that works out for you, Duck you may want to tweak your IP tracker

      1. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        wow, nobody mentioned "manlypoetryman" but i think i'll go have a look...

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          poetry/red tractor doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
          MM
          If he has performed one its more than you or I have performed, you don't think he's qualified?

          1. blue dog profile image79
            blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            <edit>

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Duck, I was born at St Davids in Austin, live in Round Rock! Had a girlfriend from Spring once, but have never lived in Houston, you do what you think you need to but claiming something that isn't true just makes you more of a liar!

              1. blue dog profile image79
                blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                i think ryan left a comment for you over on the dying marine thread...

                manly.

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You are an odd duck...Duck

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Who also got taken in a scam to buy himself a lordship smile

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, I have no idea what you are talking about, and if he got scammed all I can say is Bernie Maddofs victims were scammed. Were they all idiots?

  35. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Sorry. My bad. Louisiana. Alabama. Mississippi. Arkansas.
    Southern states.
    How many heart surgeries do you suppose that guy performs a year?

    1. tksensei profile image58
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      All the same to you?

  36. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    You missed part of the point...he tried to buy himself a lordship...

    And supposedly there were 3 malpractice suits against him.

  37. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    1. ATexan, I have never held myself out as a heart surgeon -- or a rocket scientist. My point is that the Republicans are on the wrong side of this issue. Obstructing healthcare reform is not going to be tolerated. Obama is reaching across the aisles and asking for constructive ideas to shape the legislation.

    I would have thought that "you" could find a more credible spokesperson for "your" side is all.

    2. Uh oh. The "l" word is now on the table. There's only one place for this line of argument to go from here. And you all know what it is:

    Liar, liar, PANTS ON FIRE!!

    Which will inevitably lead back to a discussion of balls -- who has them, who doesn't, and who owns whose big_smile

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      my dogs don't have any...

    2. profile image0
      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You may find this hard to believe but nobody consulted me about who would give the rebuttal. The L wird is directed at Duck because he is under the mistaken impression that I am someone else, I suggested he tweak his IP tracker, what else can I do.

      If Obama had been right about any of his economic predictions then maybe I would give this public option a chance, but he has been wrong time and again. I can't get behind this!

  38. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    A Texan,
    There's a difference between lying -- which implies malicious intent -- and being mistaken. If Blue Dog is incorrect in believing you and Manlypoetryman are the same person, then it's an honest mistake.
    I could see perhaps chiding him for insufficient research or jumping to false conclusions.
    But calling him a "liar"???
    That term does not fit the circumstances.

    As to Obama's public option. As long as you can keep your current coverage and it will not be impacted, where is the harm in making a public option available? There are many, many people in this country who are unable to get coverage through the private health insurance companies.
    If these people are able to be covered by a public option then the risk is spread wider (with fewer uninsured receiving services but the cost shifting to the insured). Net result? Everyone's costs go down.
    Why can't you get behind something that has no downside?
    Unless you are the president of an insurance company unbenownst to us (and please do NOT call me a "liar" if that is not true!)

    1. profile image0
      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Have you read any of this about Manlypoetryman? He is under the wrong impression but he certainly thinks he can cause some damage to me by his false claims, that would imply malicious intent, but whatever he chooses to do.

      No I am not the president of an Insurance company, this is about numbers, if an employer is paying into an insurance plan at say 9% of his profits and the penalty is only 8% then why carry the insurance? The employee will just go to a public option, thats the problem. It puts Insurance Companies at risk of failure if a tax subsidized plan is there.

    2. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      clarification, mighty mom, i never used the name manlypoetryman in any forum discussions today.  that name was first offered up by tex (with a little t).

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sure was, kinda figured your idiocy out! Get a couple people throwing clues out and type in Poetry or red wagon and Voila its a done deal, plus I think he is one of my fans!

        1. blue dog profile image79
          blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          as i just posted elsewhere, take your white flag and shove it.  your ongoing hostilities toward ryan and several others here are meager attempts at hiding your own cowardice.  your special skills and special talents are false bravado.  your racist views can only be concealed through the use of fake and false identities.  you are nothing but a little person. i repeat: a natural born loser.  quite manly of you.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No one is waving a white flag I will continue to call you a liar because you are one, continue to threaten with outing me as someone else I don't care. Ain't going anywhere, don't you get that?

  39. bgpappa profile image86
    bgpappaposted 7 years ago

    Thank You Roobee.

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    It's clear that the Civil War never really ended. It ran out of steam. Now it's gathering steam again. It's sickening.

    The rest of the world looks at the U.S. and just winces.

    I find it revealing though that some of the most hateful people at Hub Pages hide behind avatars and fake names.

    1. kartika damon profile image77
      kartika damonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I love this - it seems that we have time traveled back to the Civil War - also, the very people who hate the liberals and the progressives and buy in to the right wing propaganda, are the same people that are in desperate need of health care - both physically and mentally.























      civil

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    Am I dead, yet?posted 7 years ago

    http://www.ijs365.com/ENGLISH/originals_images/fire.jpg

    Is it just me, or it is getting hot in here?

  42. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago
  43. jiberish profile image78
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    I cannot comment on Obama's speech last nite, cuz today I have a migraine, and what ever came out of my mouth would be worse than it should be...all I will say is Groundhog Day.

    1. profile image0
      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey jiberish have you heard I have a red tractor?

  44. GoldiString profile image60
    GoldiStringposted 7 years ago

    There is a hint of capitalism and communism in this proposed healthcare system. Ergo,if adopted, USA will have a socialistic healthcare system, which defies the true and humane principle of providing total healthcare to the people. But no matter what we say, it will be done.

 
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