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South Carolina’s Joe Wilson shouted “You lie” at the president

  1. Jezzzz profile image76
    Jezzzzposted 7 years ago

    Should Joe Wilson be punished for his remarks yesterday during the presidents speech? 

    I don't care if you don't like the health care debate their should not be an outburst of this sort towards the President of the United States.  Especially, from a congressman.

    What do you think..

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i don't think he should be fired i mean he was elected...but he should be talked to - that was crass and made him look like an idiot.

    2. AEvans profile image71
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He should absolutely be punished his comment was uncalled for and quite unprofessional one would expect to hear that from a child not a grown adult who is representing his state. smile

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Should he be spanked? I'm not sure how he could be punished any more than censure!

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You'd like to see that wouldn't you? smile

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh yeah, I'm wired that way. Rollseyes again!

        2. AEvans profile image71
          AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Bend him over and use the paddle! It works everytime. big_smile

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            CabinGirlposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Forget him I am bent over and all, bring it on smile

            1. AEvans profile image71
              AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It doesn't matter, necessarily, what any of us think.  His constituency will see to what THEY think.  At last count, last night, people were flooding his democratic opponent's website with donations...$42,000 in short order.  I'm sure it is probably quadruple that amount by now.

      So, he will be punished, in a way. Maybe his outburst was just an audition as a Fox news commentator, though.  LOL, as someone said in the forums last night.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As of 7:00pm the count was reported to be in excess of $200,000.

    4. elisabethkcmo profile image80
      elisabethkcmoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sounds like the guy was overtaken with emotion, but still it was not a smart move.  The man has apologized, and I think that his apology should be graciously accepted.  This time, at least.

    5. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think it was incredibly bad form.  But what else to we expect from the Republicans these days.  They are not being assertive, they are being overly aggressive. There is a big difference there. 

      That type of idiotic way of handling oneself, only hurts the entire political party.  Who wants to be on the hateful, and rude side.  Not me, I just want to see a Republican party who is able to manage their behavior, and work for the American taxpayer and not themselves. 

      RKHenry just wrote a very interesting political commentary hub.  It's called "I want you to own a gun!"  It talks about how out of control the Republican party has gotten.  It made me think and wonder about my own tactics.  I don't want to be viewed the way other's view our "conservative" behavior.  The Republican party is in pretty sad shape right now.  And all this rudeness just makes me want to distant myself even further from it.

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        ellie1142545posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can say the same for Democrats....You think that what Bill Clinton did, while he was in office okay?  I don't....As a matter of fact, I was Democrat, and even voted Bill Clinton into office....Oh, don't get me wrong here...He's not the only President, I'm sure, who has had an affair while in office, but he blatantly lied about it!!  He's the reason, I'm now Republican....And now, there are Republicans in Office who are doing the same thing....The Govenor, who has been asked to step down, and now a Senator.....Yep!!  Both Parties need to be cleaned up.....The best way to do that, is start over....Impeach the Senate, and vote in all new Senators, ones that will be smart enough to keep their private lives, very private!!

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh I know the same can be said for the Democrats.  But you know, I don't really worry about their behavior!  Like I don't worry about other peoples children's behavior.  I worry about my own.  The Republicans are in far worst shape than the Democrats right now.  And outbursts like that of late, only help dig our hole a little deeper.  I'm very concerned for the party.  As I would be if my child acted so poorly.

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      ellie1142545posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Punished?  In what way?  He made a mistake, and he apologized...President Obama, pretty much said the same thing, whe he accepted his apology.......As a matter of fact his exact words were, "We all make mistakes."

      I, too, think that an outburst was wrong....This is something that should have been done in private...He should have made the apology, but further punishment?  No I don't think so...

      1. RooBee profile image84
        RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, and obviously Obama got over it quicker than the American public. He's such a terrible President!! lol

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      benjaminsmithposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree that the outburst was
      not called for, especially in a joint session of congress,
      with the entire congress listening.
        This is yet again an example of the "right" wing
      seeking to debunk Obama personally, and does not
      address directly the issues of healthcare, but is
      really just a smokescreen for the "rights" agenda.

    8. trooper22 profile image61
      trooper22posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes he should be punished and I'll tell you why.  Mr. Wilson is an Officer in the National Guard and is therefore subject to the UCMJ which is the Uniform Code of Military Justice.  This code applies to members of the military whether they are in uniform or not, even to members of congress.  Mr. Wilson should receive at minimum an official reprimand for insubordination to the Commander and Chief of the United States Military.  If this would have happened during the former administration, you can bet your butt that the offender would have been forced to resign their commission.  If Mr. Wilson were not a member of the military I would have left it up to the Republican Leadership to deal with this, but that is not the case.  He must be punished or precedence will be set that not only encourages public disrespect of superior officers in the military but of the office of the president by any member of the military.  Mr. Wilson should have known this and restrained himself in public and submitted a formal protest through the proper channels instead of making a fool of himself, and disgracing his uniform on national television.

      1. ledefensetech profile image80
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sure he's an officer, but he's not acting in his official capacity as a member of the National Guard.  In fact, I'd say his responsibilities as an elected legislator take precedence over his status as a Reserve Officer.

        Get over yourself.  Mr. Wilson's outburst in Congress is different from criticizing the President in his official capacity as an officer.  Besides the very fact he was on the floor of Congress immunized him from arrest and detention.  Putting on the uniform doesn't take your free speech rights away.

        1. trooper22 profile image61
          trooper22posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Get over myself?  Sorry pal, that's the rules within the UCMJ, I didn't make them, I didn't write it, it's there for ALL members of the Military and Mr.Wilson should know them.  He is subject to them whether in the uniform, or not....PERIOD.  Learn about what you are talking about before shouting down people who know more about the subject matter than you do!

          1. ledefensetech profile image80
            ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            He's a civilian.  He's not on active duty with the Guard.  By your logic he'd be held to the standards of the USCMJ even if he was at home doing his day job.  So if he gets a DUI, then he's to go before a military tribunal?  Or the civilian justice system?  Or maybe it's just that he had the courage to call the President out on a lie in front of Congress and the people of the US.

            1. trooper22 profile image61
              trooper22posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Listen, it isn't my logic; it is the REGULATIONS of the UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE!  And yes, if he is convicted of a crime while not on duty it affects him on duty as it is a reflection of him as an officer and a gentlemen.  That is the Fact hero.  Some advice; if are to comment on the Military, you should take the time to learn something about it.

              1. Misha profile image77
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Actually this applies to any area of human activity, isn't it? wink

                1. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  That would shut down most of these forums.

                  1. Misha profile image77
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Hard to argue against this lol

                2. trooper22 profile image61
                  trooper22posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Indeed it does.

              2. ledefensetech profile image80
                ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Um, he's not on active duty.  That's what it means to be in the Guard.  Heck that's what it means to be in the reserves.  But since you brought it up, I believe it is another part of the UCMJ that one is not required, in fact it's a duty for soldier, seaman, airman or Marine that they not follow an unlawful order.  In addition, the oath the military takes is to up hold the Constitution of the US.  Now we have a Commander in Chief that is violating that document, the compact between the people and government of the US.  What is the duty of the military in that sort of a situation.  On the one hand, he's the President, on the other, an argument could be made that he's one of those domestic enemies of the Constitution that all those who serve in the military take an oath to fight against.

                So not only was it Mr. Wilson's right to question the President, it was his duty.  It's narrow legalistic viewpoints like yours, devoid of any ethics whatsoever, that destroy the honor of our brothers and sisters that serve.

                1. trooper22 profile image61
                  trooper22posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Being on active duty has nothing to do with it; he is still in the National Guard and is still insubordinate to a superior.  This is not a political issue; this is an issue of military justice.  That's it, it's that simple.  I would make the same argument even if this were a person from the other side of the isle.  This man embarrassed himself, the National Guard of South Carolina and if left unpunished will have set a precedent for public insubordination of the entire U.S. Military.  Once again you have proven that you have no idea what you are talking about and have once again shown the world that the folks that stump for the post 1964 Republican party will defend any crime committed by its members no matter the gravity of that crime.  You have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that nothing you say can be taken as truth...thanks for playing.  You lose!

                  1. ledefensetech profile image80
                    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Now you're squealing like a little schoolgirl.  The entire US military is not going to crumble and start shooting each other because this is allowed to stand.  He said "You lie" not "Rise up against our Glorious Leader, Obama".  What about those generals who spoke out about the Iraq war?  Don't you think that was deleterious to morale and discipline.  Sure they waited until they were retired, but still, it's amazing that discipline didn't break down and the military just shatter.  Like I said, get over yourself.

              3. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this
    9. SparklingJewel profile image66
      SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      have they punished all the others that have called the president or a congress person a lier, past or present?

      They are acting as if the "decorum" of the position has never been violated before.  The guy apologized for his passionate and believed, outburst...what more does anyone want, get over it and move on.

      That stuff happens in governments all over the world...doesn't make it right, doesn't make America look better than any other country (as i believe we should)...but it's not the end of the world because of it.

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    Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago

    Yea he definitely stepped out of lline by shouting that. I seriously couldn't understand what he had said until I read what he shouted. And yes he should be punished. It was very rude to shout out like that.

    (side note: LOVE you avatar pic Jezzzz I'm a huge lion fan smile

    1. Jezzzz profile image76
      Jezzzzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the avatar shout out.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ok, he was rude.  Punished how?  Was his comment accurate but simply inappropriate? Can anyone be sure? There is no law against being rude. Now there are standards of decorum for the house and senate but I doubt they would have any serious consequences. I mean after all Charlie Rangle of the Ways and Means committee keeps forgetting to pay his taxes. Isn't that a little more serious.  Wilson is going to pay for what he did without any official punishment.  His constituentcy will be on his case.  He's going to have to run around apologizing for something he's probally really not sorry for. His party will have nothing to do with him for a while. He's basically persona non grata until someone else screws up, and believe me someone will!  Bottom line is that there are a plenty of folks on the hill that need to be removed. Both sides of the ailse.  November 2010 should get these clowns attention!

      1. RKHenry profile image81
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think the whole punishment thing is ridiculous.  But there are limitations when your paycheck comes from a group of American people.  We are supposed to be united, not hate filled, spiteful terrorists.  And that is exactly how he behaved.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Absolutely he acted like a terrorist! Speech is considered a terrorist act now? I am glad the Democrats are in charge now, if they can change the definition of a word like terrorist next it will be FREEDOM!

          1. RKHenry profile image81
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Speech isn't considered a terrorist act.  Is that what you honestly think?  My god, what if the tables were turned? 

            Now that's typical.  He acted like an out of control mad man.  And we are all suppose to respect him for that now?  Especially because he was a Republican, and that somehow excuses his behavior?

            I don't buy that...

            1. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Don't overdo it.

  3. RooBee profile image84
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    He is being punished, in the form of monies being donated to his opponent by voters who were disgusted by his behavior. The poor man obviously suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.

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      mtsi1098posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL !!! Great comment and yes we all know in politics he will suffer down the line somewheres either in money or support!!

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    That was very tackey and unprofessional, if he felt he couldn't control himself he should have stayed home or stayed seated.

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amen!

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That picture makes you look tougher but what are you doing?

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago

    I think it was refreshing. And I don't think he should apologize. Of course I love watching the Prime Minister Question and Answers in the British Parliament. And I think the US would be better of if all the presidents had to show up once a week to answer to our representatives and take some heat.

    Obama was giving a highly politicized speech and a little heckling was in order. Yes I support Obama, but I don't think the other side should be muzzled either. I also enjoyed the way some of the republicans held up their bills and signs.

    Debate and argument is not unhealthy nor do I think it is disrespectful. Obama is a big boy and he can deal with it.

    And was there some female dress code where they were all supposed to wear red? Most did.

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      Crazdwriterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I didn't even notice the sea of red. huh...maybe they sent out a memo saying wear red?

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are refreshing! I wish all of Obama's supporters were as open to the other side

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        Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You have to understand that I live under a open New England Town Meeting form of government. Any registered voter can go to town meeting ask any question pertaining to a warrant article and expect an answer. And then the people vote. We are the legislative body. So I am used to a very rough and tumble political process.

        And if you want an article discussed at town meeting, you and 9 other people have to sign a petition and the Selectmen must include it in the town meeting warrant. It is the purest form of democracy anywhere in the world.

        I get very frustrated when Pols call their public appearances town meetings.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I admit I am not very tolerant of Obama supporters in general I don't like the "We won,get over it" stuff after 8 years of "Bush stole the election!" But it is nice to see one actually stand up for free speech after Obama told us to shut up.

    3. hubby7 profile image81
      hubby7posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Hoxie, I love how you think. No wonder you are an Obama supporter! lol Your mind is too large to fit inside the Palin camp! All kidding aside. I, too, am a firm supporter of the 1st amendment. Like you, I do not think that the opposition should ever be muzzled. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If we Democrats do it to them, they will, in turn, do it to us. And rightly so.

  6. Pr0metheus profile image60
    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago

    This kind of behavior is inappropriate for a speech.  If this were a debate, or a town hall meeting, or any sort of situation where comments are welcome it would be a different story.  This type of behavior at a speech is not acceptable.  He should be asked to resign (not really, but that's what conservatives would have asked of a liberal congressman who did that to bush).

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You're probably right but I am sure the Democrats will be calling for his head soon.

    2. RooBee profile image84
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, this is a valid point and I believe you're right.

  7. hubby7 profile image81
    hubby7posted 7 years ago

    I admit that I voted for Obama and was, mind you, an very early supporter of his. And to all you Obama haters here at Hubpages, yes, I still support him. Notwithstanding that, my only fear is that he doesn't go too far right on international affairs and too left on domestics ones. That said, I do not follow him blindly. Afterall, this is the United States of America. We are used to disrespecting our Presidents. Has the 1st Amendment become obsolete since Obama assumed the Presidency? All I have to say is this: That it is far better to have been shouted at than to have a shoe hurled your way! big_smile

  8. RooBee profile image84
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    Funny about the dress code. I noticed that, too!

    I don't think that was the venue for heckling. If the guy has a beef, there are ample avenues for him to go through to make that known. The outrage is from the people and other congress members (both Republican and Democrat). Obama himself seemed quite unscathed and immediately accepted the guy's apology. You're right, he will be just fine.

    I personally am glad he did it because it highlighted the fact that many of the 'arguments' against the reform are nothing short of lies. There is nothing that would lead anyone who doesn't just have a pre-existing vendetta to think that illegal aliens would be covered by gov't healthcare. In fact, the currently proposed bill states explicitly that it won't. Wilson made himself and his "cause" (ie insurance company who pays for his seat, yep I said it) smile look rather sad and ignorant of facts.

    Re: the Parliament Q&A thing: not a bad idea at all!

  9. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I don't think he should be asked to step down. The electorate will decide that next year.

    I believe it was wrong because it was in Congress. A certain amount of respect for the office and the venue is to be expected. I'm sure Roberts Rules of Order does not support what he did.

    I do agree I like watching clips of Canadian Parliament with people yelling at each other. However, if they go over the line they are censured or ousted from the chambers. I have no doubt if Mr. Wilson had done that in Canadian Parliament he would have been booted out. I'm sure it would be the same in British Parliament.

  10. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I don't think Obama's "opposition" should be muzzled either; but I think a little decorum under the circumstances helps keep the "atmosphere" from being a circus.  People who yell out in court run the risk of being kicked out (at the very least).  This wasn't a run-of-the-mill, day-to-day, Congress thing.

    Decorum and respect for the office aside, (to use that old "Mother's Question"), "What if EVERYONE did that?"  It wasn't the time or the place.

  11. Flightkeeper profile image76
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    Joe Wilson shouldn't have heckled the President and it was wrong.  Obama was talking and he should be given the space to say what he wants to say and the respect accorded as POTUS, even if you don't agree with him, which I don't.  That being said, Wilson has already apologized for his outburst.  That's enough for me.  He shouldn't be hounded out and all this false outrage is stupid.

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 7 years ago

    A Texan, Don't go thinking I'm that wonderful. I do support everything Obama wants including a public option for health insurance. But I've never been afraid of an open process in my life.

    I stood for election the first time at 25. And I worked as a town/environmental planner for 10 years, so I spent plenty of time in front of angry people.

    But I rarely ever lost. And zoning bylaws and environmental regs require a 2/3 vote in Massachusetts. Generally I got every developer and every builder and ever real estate agent to support my bills - as well as the environmentalists. And I did it by giving everyone a true voice at the table.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm not trying to suck up, I stand against everything Obama is for and won't shy away from it! But honesty is more important than continuous lies, like I'm not who I claim to be! (meant for blueduck if he is reading) Thats all I was saying is it is refreshing

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Isn't Massachusetts socialist anyway? If they didn't agree couldn't you have them sent to a gulag in New Hampshire?

  13. Michael Willis profile image77
    Michael Willisposted 7 years ago

    There is a time to stand up and speak up and there is a time to be respectful and keep quiet.

    What Wilson did was totally disrespectful to the entire legislative body that was present, whether Republican, Democrat or other affiliation.

    It was disrespectful to the office of the Presidency. It was disrespectful to the citizens of this country. And it was on nationally broadcast Television!

    It showed his character and I see his unwillingness to be bipartisan. Also disrespectful was the other groups of Republicans that would sit there using their blackberries, holding signs, posters and with obvious no respect for the night events.

    What a great example these people were setting for those watching. When the nation should come together to work out a solution to a real problem, they choose instead to act like spoiled children. "It's my way or I want play."

    Shame on you Congressman Wilson. Why would anyone respect your voice if you do not respect anothers?

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They have been shut out of the process and Obama told them to shut up and you want them to respect him? Whether it was appropriate or not is something he will have to deal with. I am no Bush fan but he was shown just as much disrespect as Obama is getting! Actually Bush endured a lot more disrespect and I never saw one liberal stand up for him, not a single one!

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They have not been shut out, Obama has bent over backwards trying to get a compromise. No one ever yelled at Bush during a speech in front of Congress...that is the difference...

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Bent over backwards? I must have missed that one, he hasn't even acknowledged the American people who are a majority against it except to send his attack dogs to call us Nazi's! He doesn't even need the Republicans to pass whatever he wants, the fight is within his own party!

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
            Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I thought it was people calling them Nazis not the other way around?

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nancy Pelosi is a people Harry Reid is a people, so I guess youre right, I haven't heard my Obama loving neighbor refer to me as a Nazi, yet!

          2. Michael Willis profile image77
            Michael Willisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Seems the only people I hear using the words like Nazi's, Communists, Socialists and the likes are Those Against Obama.
            This health issue is not about Obama!!! It is about the abuse of the Insurance and Health industry with costs and overcharge/denial of treatments.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Then you are not listening, we have been called Terrorists also, we disagree about the public option for health care not the real reform thats needed! Open up across State line trade and create real competition. As far as Illegals getting care they will, the Republicans introduced an amendment preventing illegal immigrants getting care and the Dems voted it Down! Same with Abortion, so do you really think Obama is telling the truth?

              1. BJC profile image67
                BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The Democrats have guaranteed abortion.  California Democrat Zoe Lofgren admitted in a town hall meeting this month that "abortion will be covered by one or more of the health care plans available to Americans."

                Even the Associated Press wrote that ObamaCare "would allow a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions."

                Democrats in the House and Senate have voted down every attempt to make sure abortion funding is kept out of the health care proposal.

                1. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  They also voted down an amendment that would require them to join Obama's public option. Federal employees will not be participating in the same program that's being rammed down out throats.

  14. Flightkeeper profile image76
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    It was an outburst. Obama lied so much during that speech that Wilson couldn't stop himself.

    1. Jezzzz profile image76
      Jezzzzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If he spoke of so many lies, could someone state the lies one by one so we can discuss them.  What is everyone so afraid of with health care reform.  Are they afraid of losing their own health care?  Are they afraid that they have to pay more out of pocket money?  Or is it that they don't want the Government to spend any more money?

      And if the problem is that we don't want the Government to spend any more money, where were all of these critiques when Bush was in office.

      I think it is deeper than just the money aspect.  If it were about money then we as a country would have had outrage during the Bush era.

      1. kerryg profile image88
        kerrygposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That's what politics has come to in this country. Yesterday a girl posted an article with the same false claim that Wilson made - that illegal immigrants will be covered under Obamacare - to a LiveJournal Community I watch.

        It was almost immediately debunked and she proceeded to edit her post with the following comment: "I can't answer all of you individually. I now see that this article is in fact WRONG.I really wanted to believe Obama is a liar."

        That right there is everything that is wrong with politics in this country right now. Wanting Obama to be wrong so badly that you're willing to believe anyone who says he is wrong without investigating the facts for yourself. The Democrats fell into the same trap under Bush; the Republicans are falling into it now.

        1. Jezzzz profile image76
          Jezzzzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Like I said before.. It is not the issue of health care that everyone is so unset about.  It is Obama period (I am trying not to say what I think is the real reason)..  I believe that his message is clear but people just don't want to support a "bl" man.   I am sorry, but I have to lay it on the line.

          We still have a long way to go here in America to bring together the racial divide.

          1. nicomp profile image61
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You don't seem to be prepared for a black president.

            1. Jezzzz profile image76
              Jezzzzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No, you miss understood my comments.  I am a black man and I am and have been very prepared for a Black President for years or any good President.  Black, white, Latino, etc.. it does not matter to me.  I just want a President that is looking out for the public, not his own pockets.

              I voted for Obama and I believe he is doing a great job.  Especially, with all the opposition that has lined up to try to stop him.

              After 8 years of Bush politics I just want someone who wants to help America.  Not make us all look stupid.

              1. nicomp profile image61
                nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Doesn't matter to me what color your skin is. When you play the race card, I wonder if you are ready for the way that politics are played at the national level. Bush was portrayed as a moron, drug addict, draft dodger, inept bumbling fool. No one claimed it was because he was white. Obama is getting kid glove treatment in the mainstream press (not to be confused with political commentators) as he suffers political attacks from the right. That's par for the course. It don't matter what he looks like. He's implementing socialist policies and people are howling.

                If it makes you feel better, I think Bush started us down this road with No Child left Behind, Free Drugs for Seniors, and his lame bailout plans. His fiscal policies were a disaster and I was glad to see him go. I have a GW sticker on my car because 8 years ago I thought he would be a huge improvement over Clinton.

                Now I vote Libertarian.

              2. tksensei profile image62
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What has he done so far that is a "great job"?

                1. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The speech to school kids was well done. A lot of kids need to hear it from someone other than their principal and teachers. The message obviously isn't sinking in through those channels.

                2. Jezzzz profile image76
                  Jezzzzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  1. Gotten us back on a even plan in international politics.
                  2. Working to get our children to look at school as a good thing.
                  3. Even though people may say that he did the wrong thing with the car industry, giving money to them has helped. If he didn't these companies, except for Ford, may not exist right now.
                  4. The verdict is still out for the banks.  Banks are always going to be sleazy in how they deal with money.  They find loop holes when everyone thinks their are not loop holes.

                  I agree that our national deficit is to high, but at least this administration is trying to tackle issues that have been a problem for a while that have been ignored.

                  1. AEvans profile image71
                    AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree with you completely! smile

                  2. tksensei profile image62
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    If that's what you call denigrating our nation before the world...

                  3. tksensei profile image62
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    He's not "working" at anything, he gave a speech. So did Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, ...

                  4. tksensei profile image62
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    It's this kind of government takeover of private industry that invites all the talk of socialism that the libs get so upset about.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Agree with you in part, Kerry.  But I've got to say, the more research I did on Bush...on McCain...on almost any Republican, the more cynical and disillusioned I became.  From what I understand and can perceive, there are strong and clear reasons why Obama is in the White House and the Republicans are gasping to survive.

          I really don't think people who are reasonable should or could 'give equal time' to the other side at this point in history.

          1. nicomp profile image61
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Interesting comments to make on 9/11 ...

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I was in New York City on 9/11/01, Nicomp.  Knew people who died.  Went to work past a burnt out hole for months.  Lost my job because of it.

              Your comments are ridiculous and irrelevant...as usual.

              1. nicomp profile image61
                nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Wow, you were nearby and that somehow qualifies you? cool.

                Have you by chance noticed what's not happened since then? Under Bush?

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Troll someone else for some other reason.  Your post is inhumane, cynical, highly partisan and very "uncool."

                  How fitting you are a neocon.

                  1. nicomp profile image61
                    nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I am so hurt. Please don't hurt your back bending down from your ivory tower to condescend to us common folks.

                    Partisanship is a good thing when you're right, as I'm sure you agree.

                2. RooBee profile image84
                  RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Elementary critical thinking dictates that you cannot prove why something didn't happen or whether it would have under someone else.

        3. RooBee profile image84
          RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Such a voice of reason!! I loves ya!

  15. BJC profile image67
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Wilson was out of line to display his emotions in public.  However, he is simply expressing what 52% of the American people are saying.  The healthcare bill is full of garbage and Bama Boy has the gall to say it isn't going to add more to the deficit.  He is also reported as saying the money has to come from somewhere....

    Watch what Bama Boy does and not what he says then we'll learn the truth.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      In case you don't know...calling a black adult male "boy" is considered a racist remark by many people.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Do we have to tip-toe around everything? When will the threat of racism stop? Rev. Sharpton said blacks couldn't be racist because they don't have the power. Well they have it now! So if I understand this that means white people can't be racist now only blacks can. Or how about we get over this crap and act like Americans?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sometimes I'm not too proud of how WE Americans act.  I suppose you are an example of how we all should act?

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Randy I sometimes refer to him the same way I don't mean it the way it comes across I'm sure BJC doesn't either!

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I certainly hope you are right Tex.  I guess it irks me because I've witnessed old black men being called "boy" on many occasions by otherwise respectable people down here in the "Bible Belt."

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I hope I am too, that doesn't happen where I'm fromor at least I have never seen it. Hell I thought my name was boy until I was 12!

              2. BJC profile image67
                BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'm not from the South and quite frankly pretty darn tired of people taking things out of context.  A man is someone who has the balls to speak the truth - period!  A boy has to lie and sneak around.  Again, watch what he does and not what he says.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            No, I'm not. This racial division has got to stop on both sides.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I agree, but using the word "boy" is a direct insult and will solve nothing.

  16. donotfear profile image91
    donotfearposted 7 years ago

    Joe Wilson was on Sean Hannity Radio Show today. He said he immediately phoned the White House, after the speech, and apologized for his unaccepatable behavior.  They acknowledged his apology and welcomed him to discuss the issue further, which I believe he accepted.

  17. readytoescape profile image61
    readytoescapeposted 7 years ago

    Still Laughing....arguing about who is telling the truth and who is lying in Washington.

    A better argument might be trying to find out if the sun is warm or warmish.

    Bad manners possible, but you respect the office not the man and as far as I can tell this man doesn't respect the office just covets the chair.

    1. A2shley profile image59
      A2shleyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ha ha ha....I'm going with warmish smile

      As a person who often speaks before thinking, I think Wilson's actions are forgivable...who among us hasn't spoken out in anger and said something they later regretted?  He's getting enough bad publicity as is...

  18. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    That is because it is the right wing protesters that are calling Obama's people Nazis, not the other way around.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I see what you mean, no its both I guess calling each other Nazis, but his attack dogs the leading Senator and Speaker of the House have called us Nazi's they only do that with Obama's blessing!

    2. readytoescape profile image61
      readytoescapeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "People are Policy", is a quote from the Obama adminstration, and where their people, their backgrounds and philosophies are certainly questionable wouldn't you imagine their motives, policies and agenda are suspect?

  19. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Well, I don't think either side are Nazis...

    Yes...they don't speak unless the President tells them what to say roll

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not like that they don't, but its just not believable that Obama could just be the Chicago thug we all think he is, huh! (Rollseyes) I can't do the happy face thing!

  20. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    That all depends on your own philosophy I would imagine.

  21. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    I don't think referring to BO as "Bama Boy" is any worse than called W "Georgie Boy." I don't think the posters meant it as a racial remark.

    Randy, I'm not including you in this group, but I'm tired of the group who labels anyone who disagrees with the POTUS as racist. It's beinning to get a little absurd.

    Michael Steele and Thomas Sowell disagree with Obama about 90% of the time. Are they racists, too?

  22. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Like Tex, I have been called boy on more than one occasion, when I was a boy.  But to a black person this is an insult because of the way the word was used in the past.  But use it if it makes you feel better.  If there were no other non-racist insults which could be used instead, I might understand.

  23. BJC profile image67
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    Not coming from the South I obviously don't see it that way and it's easier for me to speak my mind because I'm not a local.

    The following hubs should give you an indication of my stance on racism.  Just for the record tho, Michelle Obama wrote an anti-white paper in college.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Racism-learned- … t-behavior

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Jesus-Christ-and-Blue-EyesHmm

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      For the record I'm not from the South, I'm from Texas! Its a whole other Country!

    2. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I will just assume you do not care if your words appear racist.  No, you are not a local but now you know this is considered a racist remark, so use it if you feel you need to.

      1. BJC profile image67
        BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If you choose to be offended, go ahead.  That's part of the problem, people being afraid to say something because someone will be offended.  This is not the same as being considerate toward others.  I will call him bama boy because he is a liar and that makes him a boy.  A man speaks the truth.

        I have been with black friends in Mississippi and people stared and whispered, and stayed away from us.  Her son went to a college in Mississippi and experienced the worst racism ever - like almost being run over, people going up to him in Walmart and calling him things far worse than boy.

        People like you and the above mentioned white people are why racism still exists.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          BJC, you're on your own, Randy has said what he has to say about it and I don't think you are getting his point.

          1. BJC profile image67
            BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Probably not.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I do not know how to go about "choosing to be offended."  Either things offend me or they don't, I do not choose.  The problem is not people being afraid to say something because others will be offended, it's saying something when they KNOW others will be offended.  Do you pretend not to know the word "boy" isn't a racist word to a black man?  To me, this is hard to believe.  But you seem to enjoy using the word so by all means, knock yourself out. LOL

  24. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    I'm in Canada and I understand how boy is deemed offensive to some. But I am not saying you are racist.

    And Michelle Obama's thesis was not "anti-white". She talked about her own feelings and those of black alumni about how they felt as students.  You can read it here:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

    1. BJC profile image67
      BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank-you, but for this one we'll have to agree to disagree!

  25. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Abortion is legal in the United States, I doubt they could deny it without congress, et al. changing the laws.

    1. BJC profile image67
      BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Abortion is legal, but tax dollars shouldn't pay for it.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Boy, thats something we should be proud of the world record for killing babies. And of course whether you agree or not we'll have to pay for it, just lovely, now all our hands are going to be covered in the blood of babies!Makes you proud!

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Here's the deal with abortion, if the final bill does not expressly forbid it then it is just another medical procedure that taxes pay for! I am not an abortion nut, it is legal I just don't want my tax dollars funding them!

  26. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    But, you are asking that they deny health care to people. I don't think it's supposed to work that way.

    1. BJC profile image67
      BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Abortion is a choice and I don't feel it's considered mandantory healthcare.  We probably will need to agree to disagree on this too.

  27. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    I agree. It was a stupid thing for Wilson to do. Even if you don't care for Obama, you should respect the office. I was shocked to hear the remark! I felt sure some nutty protester had somehow gained entrance to the speech, like the ones at the RNC. Boy, (oops, sorry) I mean man, was I surprised to find out it was a congressman! Glad it wasn't one from Georgia.

  28. tksensei profile image62
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    He was right, but that was surely NOT the time and place for it.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      why not? seems a good a place as any

    2. RooBee profile image84
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Would you kindly explain how on earth he was right? The proposal explicitly states that illegal aliens will NOT be covered. The "lie" is....?

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What proposal states that?

        The truth is easier than the lie, The republicans offered amendments to the bill to exclude illegals from receiving health care benefits, the democrats voted the amendment down! Why? So they will be covered. There is no final bill yet but with the Democrats not willing to deny the benefit to illegals then they probably intend to give it to them!

        1. RooBee profile image84
          RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This contradicts what I have seen, but I am certainly no all-knowing chick and perhaps I am wrong. I believe, though, that the amendments/provisions were not necessary simply because the bill already excludes them from getting said coverage.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am looking at the bill now to see if I can find the section

      2. tksensei profile image62
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Because he knows damn well that illegal aliens will continue to recieve care - and be a drain on hospital resources as well as the economy as a whole - under any plan.

        1. Jezzzz profile image76
          Jezzzzposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If that is the case, how should he or our lawmakers solve it.  Should we just not have health care reform and keep the system the way it is now.  Even if we kept it the same, we are still going to be paying for illegal aliens through our emergency rooms and with tax payer dollars.  How do we solve this?  How should we proceed?

          1. tksensei profile image62
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe we should figure that out (aside from the obvious answer) before making grand claims that are known to be untrue?

            1. nicomp profile image61
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Nah. The Liberals/Progressives/Democrats mean well. Whatever they do, it'll be OK because they just want what's best for us.

              Transparency? Nah. No ear marks on spending bills? Sorry.

              But they do mean well!

            2. AEvans profile image71
              AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Why are all of us arguing we should bring in Healthcare reform and concern ourselves with the little things later, right now many Americans are in dire need of healthcare and many have been turned away from proper care and have mounting bills from pre-existing conditions is this what America stands for? Illegal aliens is tiny compared to the millions of Americans who are suffering. Working in ER there are some who pay for healthcare (Cash) or honestly make payments to re-pay there medical expenses (illegal aliens) everyone needs healthcare and we cannot allow anyone to lay dying on the streets that is not what we as Americans are made of. I have stopped at several accidents in my lifetime until care came and I did not think of them as another person, they were a life that had to be saved so our Government needs to look at the big picture and stop acting like 3rd graders fighting over a football even children are better behaved then this. Just my opinion. smile

              1. tksensei profile image62
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And we don't. That is empty hyperbole.



                And if you think illegal immigration is "tiny" or unrelated to the problems with health care you are not paying attention.

                1. AEvans profile image71
                  AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I love your response!! big_smile hyperbole. smile

                  As for illegal immigration I have been paying attention and it annoys me to but the focus does need to be on all Americans who currently are not being provided for or cannot afford proper care, if we continue to run amuck with our fingers up our batooties then we will accomplish nothing and Americans will continue to suffer. sad

                  1. tksensei profile image62
                    tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You haven't noticed the effect it has had on emergency rooms across the nation? You haven't noticed some hospitals near the southern border just closing up shop completely forcing US citizens to travel for hours to get to the nearest hospital?

              2. nicomp profile image61
                nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The effort to trash the entire system is where we differ. Certainly we don't want to see anyone left to die on the street, but the proposed 'reforms' tend to toss out the baby with the bathwater. Many many millions of people like their health care.

                1. tksensei profile image62
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Exactly so. If the dems had more brains than ambition they would have systematically addressed different aspects of health care through a series of laws that they could have passed without great public opposition instead of insisting on some Great Leap Forward nonsense that could be expected to meet resistance from those pesky citizens of the country these arrogant, over-reaching fools are supposed to work for.

                2. RooBee profile image84
                  RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Respectfully, nc, did you watch AND LISTEN to the speech? He told both sides that any extreme overhaul would be detrimental and is not even an option. He said that we should keep what works and build on it, fix what doesn't, and introduce some sound new ideas - several of which were proposed by republicans.

                  1. nicomp profile image61
                    nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Simply put, he was lying to you. I am sorry, but there's no other way to explain it.

                    He wants to tax/fine people (at a 35% rate) if their private plan costs too much.

                    He wants to tax/fine people if they don't have insurance.

                    He wants the country to eventually move to a single-payer plan.

                    He wants government bureaucrats to decide who gets treatment, not doctors.

                    He does not plan to include himself or any other federal employee in this new public option. None of the bills currently in Congress will include federal employees.

                    There is no tort reform in any of the current bills

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks, AE.  Your opinion carries the weight of your experience.

                1. nicomp profile image61
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Just remember, AE, you can't comment on 9/11 unless you were there.

                  1. AEvans profile image71
                    AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I lost friends on 09/11 you should read my tribute Remember 09/11 eight years later so please do not say I wasn't there in fact I also dealt with my friend who's brother worked at the Pentagon. So was I there in person no, did I lose friends Yes!

  29. tksensei profile image62
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    I wonder how many of the 'outraged' here were similarly upset on Feb. 5, 2005 when President Bush was addressing Congress and was booed by not one but many of the dems in attendance.

    I wonder how many took Harry Reid to task when he called President Bush "a liar and a loser"? No apology followed those words.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I bet LS wrote many a scathing Hub about those wascally dems

    2. RooBee profile image84
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He didn't say it during a speech to congress. Also, there are plenty of politicians out there calling the President all kinds of nasty names, and not apologizing. (Not saying they should - I'm all for free speech as well. Just pointing out that this is not a reasonable comparison.)

      (Been listening to the all-knowing Hannity, eh?)

  30. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    I thought it was terrible when Reid did that. Please, someone tell me: How do Reid and Pelosi keep getting re-elected??

    1. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The same reason shows like Jerry Springer are on the air.

      1. sexkitten profile image59
        sexkittenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Do you think the women on Jerry are kind of sexy?

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          when they put their teeth in!

        2. tksensei profile image62
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Don't even joke about that. Yikes.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ACORN

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Crack me up! Oh its true!

    3. BJC profile image67
      BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ACORN & Co. smile

  31. RooBee profile image84
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    The following comes from factcheck.org, and granted, there are probably other articles that would contradict this. This is supposedly a non partisan group (factcheck.org). What is your take on this? Is it that they will be given emergency care that bothers you or do you feel that this provision will be conveniently left out of the final version? (BTW, as I'm sure you know, if hospitals did not provide life-saving care to someone (even an illegal immigrant) who came through their doors in need of it, the Hypocratic oath may as well be shat upon if you'll excuse my saying so.)

    "Rep. King of Iowa issued an eye-catching press release, headlined: “CBO: 5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare.” King claimed that this is what the Congressional Budget Office’s recent analysis of House health care legislation said. But it didn’t. His press release also said that the 5.6 million would be covered “in large part because the liberal proposal does not include any requirements to verify the citizenship or immigration status of those receiving taxpayer-funded health benefits.” That’s not true, either.

    H.R. 3200 includes a provision that specifically says that there will be no federal funds spent to cover illegal immigrants:

        H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

        Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

    The preceding section reiterates this, stating that “the term ‘affordable credit eligible individual’ means … an individual who is lawfully present in a State in the United States.” In other words, no federal subsidies for you if you’re in the country illegally. Besides, illegal immigrants aren’t eligible for federal health programs under current law. (Tax dollars do, however, cover emergency care.)"

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I will look at the bill tomorrow, I don't know whats in it, all I know is it will be expensive and illegals will get care, they already do under Medicaid!

      1. RooBee profile image84
        RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Illegals are covered by Medicaid??????????????????? I don't think that's true.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    I saw something about providing funding for translators? I'm too tired to care right now I will get back to this later!

    1. RooBee profile image84
      RooBeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I hear ya. Good night, there will be plenty of time for our yackin' later. smile

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        nite

  33. Larry Ivey profile image61
    Larry Iveyposted 7 years ago

    It is...possible that the whole thing was contrived.  What if some of Joe Wilson's colleagues on the Democrat side of the aisle approached Mr. Wilson.  He would shout out 'you lie' at the appropriate moment.  And, in return, he would get a majority vote on one of his pet projects.

    After all, the Democrats want and need to be together on this healthcare bill.  And, Mr. Wilson's act during the President's speech has done just what had been hoped would happen.  An absolute fire storm has erupted.  And, it has brought the Democrats in both Houses of Congress together.

  34. tksensei profile image62
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Uh-oh, time to do the laundry!

    1. nicomp profile image61
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was going to provide a checklist:

      1. Must leave to do laundry
      2. Must leave to help boyfriend with computer / writing / house repairs
      3. Must leave to get back to work, earn a living, yada yada yada
      4. Must leave, far to busy to condescend to anyone who disagrees with me.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I always condescend to those I feel are not worth my time, correct.  I consider it a good habit.

        And, correct!...I must go to work.  You have fun picking the digital wings off flies like a big boy...er, whatever.

        1. nicomp profile image61
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So... you chose option #3, correct?

          For those keeping score at home, LS will continue to lurk and spew condescending vitriol even though he claims to be too busy to do so. Stay tuned!

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Why, yes, Nicomp.  I have a job.  I have a life.  Isn't THAT amazing?  I'm sure it is to some.

            And as I said before, please quit being so interested in my schedule and whether or not I CHOOSE to participate in the political forum.  The initial post, ie, was not to you.  I was here before you were, as well.  And none of this is your concern.

            All you do is troll.  If not me, then others, all day long.  And I am supposed to be impressed?  Give me a reason NOT to condescend.  I've never seen it.

            1. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              LOL!!! Exactly as predicted!

            2. nicomp profile image61
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm glad you have a job. I don't want to have to support you. Your leap of logic is illogical. No one claimed, implied, or insinuated that you didn't have a job. Strawman.

              You generate the interest in your schedule by constantly telling us all why you absolutely must leave the forum. No one else does that. I am simply cataloging your motivations for 'leaving'.

              If your schedule is a sore point, stop bringing it up.

              Nah. I just speak my mind. As you said before, partisan comments are all well and good if you agree with them. Otherwise it's trolling.


              A reason? Some people actually try to find common ground, to address points brought up by others, to explain their thinking, to defend their points, to synthesize new ideas, to climb the pyramid of Blooms Taxonomy. Short of that, spewing condescending pablum is always another option, I guess.

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Strawman argument about my SCHEDULE?  This job crap?  You are a nut.

                I'm not interested in finding 'common ground' with a trolling nut, who spatters irrelevant comments towards every liberal and thinks THAT is debate.  Which is your MO.  My comments were referencing Kerry, a person worth talking to.  I was not and am not interested in your 'stuff,' sorry.  I consider you unreasonable, period.  As well, I think you are quite old enough to know what you are doing.  Sorry, but it is not cute in any way, shape or form past a certain age...though Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh might have you all thinking otherwise.  I just see bellicose, unattractive nuts.

                Leave off your analysis of my 'motivations.'  I have spelled out my motivations again and again...  ie, see para above.

                But hey, "to synthesize new ideas, to climb the pyramid of Blooms Taxonomy. Short of that, spewing condescending pablum is always another option, I guess," sounded kinda intelligent, I guess.  I suppose I should be impressed.  To bad it's empty vocabulary words surrounding bombed out and over-simplified vitriol.

                1. jiberish profile image80
                  jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow, great once sided debate. The person with the fewest word wins. smile

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                  cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  oh dear. i just had a very bad visual brought on by "Rush Limbaugh" and "bellicose, unattractive nuts". i hope it passes quickly yikes big_smile neutral tongue

        2. tksensei profile image62
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LOL!!! Too funny.

        3. Misha profile image77
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And Misha, your 'take' on racism was truly sad.  Yep, I condescend to someone with those views.  Sorry...  But, not, really, so much. wink

  35. Isabellas profile image65
    Isabellasposted 7 years ago

    He should not be punished. If I recall correctly it was only a couple of years ago when the Democrats did the exact same thing to President Bush. What is the difference between the Democrats doing this and the Republicans? I think nothing at all. So why should he have to apologize?

  36. Misha profile image77
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    I don't remember me having a particular take on racism, but sure. At least your post gives me an ability to call exactly what you are doing from now on, when needed lol

    Oh, completely off-top, since you trade forex. If I were you, I would start looking for opportunities to short EUR/USD, my analysis shows the next big move is likely down, and it is about to start. smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yah, and I STILL didn't like your take on 'racism,' Misha, sorry, wink.  That's all that means...and I would condescend to anyone with something I really, really don't agree with.

      I've only begun to start with Forex.  So, I'll consider that info. when I get more into it.  Thank you.

  37. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Replaying to OP
    The man in question is just another example of why there are far too many politicians period!

    He and Governor Sanford can just take one looooooong extended unpaid holiday lol

  38. nicomp profile image61
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    Keep repeating it in all the forums. Stay on point...

    We don't have the money to buy free health insurance for everyone.

    Medicare and Medicaid are broke already. They are not sustainable.

    The powers of the Federal Government are narrow and well-defined. Federal Government interference in health care is unconstitutional. Regardless of what Europe does, or Canada does, or Australia does, the US Constitution prohibits the Federal Government from getting involved in any aspect of health care or health insurance.

    If health care is so important, let's pass a constitutional amendment enabling the Federal Government to control it.

  39. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Insurance companies are not going to go out of business. Insurance companies do very well in Canada and the UK. Insurance companies have home insurance, auto insurance, flood insurance, fire insurance, etc. in addition to health insurance.

  40. RooBee profile image84
    RooBeeposted 7 years ago

    I'm off for now. While I may strongly disagree with some of you, I am grateful beyond words to live in a country where we are allowed to debate, yell, throw shoes - whatever - without fear of being punished for it.
    We are all one.
    Peace & Love, ya'all.
    See ya later. smile

    1. AEvans profile image71
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      See ya later big_smile

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago
    1. RKHenry profile image81
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But I did not say free speech was a terrorist, YOU did. 

      Nothing idiotic about that statement....  please, yawn.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sure is that your spin? I read somewhere you were the best debater on Hubpages, but in reality when your lame assertions are challenged you don't allow the comments! Thats not debate that's the white flag of surrender! You bore me

        1. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Dude, you're the one try to "spin" things.  I'm just telling it like it is...  Get on with your badself. 

          Predictable

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            already on with my badself!

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, you are not kidding, RK.  (Good to see you back, btw, smile.)  It's gotten really weird here with the uh, strange Glen Beck trolls.  Scary dumb.

        1. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey girl!  I'm just checking out.  Be on tomorrow night though.  Take care of the trolls 'til then.smile

  42. tksensei profile image62
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Here we go again...

  43. tksensei profile image62
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Gonna be laundry time again soon...

  44. Misha profile image77
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    LOL

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Not interested in 'debate' with him, Ma'am.  Was simply responding to the crazy accusations.  Had to leave for work about 10 hours ago.  I know...so hard to believe, and seems to be of major interest to the trolls.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Here is an interesting take on this incident

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09 … latestnews

    1. BJC profile image67
      BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It would indicate that some black people want racism to exist because should we reach the place of it being a non-issue they would be out of a job.

      1. nicomp profile image61
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just like the Progressives/Democrats/Liberals. Unless they can perpetuate and nurture the culture of entitlement, they will lose their political base.

        1. BJC profile image67
          BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well said!

    2. RKHenry profile image81
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Notice it is from "Fox" news.  Like that information isn't going to be bias.  Quoting an interesting take on an incident, to be effective needs to be from a creditable source.  Not a known, right wing mass media news station.  That would be like me quoting something off CNN.  What a joke.

      1. BJC profile image67
        BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson etc would be out of the public eye if they didn't take up the race issue.  Martin Luther King Jr. would probably roll in his grave if he knew what was happening today.

        1. RKHenry profile image81
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, all that coming from a white person... 

          Seriously, when you have a clue about racism (especially based off the color of your skin) then I think you might be qualified to guess what Dr. King would do or not do.  What a joke.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Whites cannot suppose what MLK would do or not do because of their skin color, woo, you just may be a racist!

            1. RKHenry profile image81
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol,  oh yeah- I'm racist against blacks.  stupid, but funny.lol

              Your worthless to debate with.  Simply worthless. 

              Yawn:)

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That's what I said? Debate? Are you debating? I thought you just say stupid things and then throw the white flag up!

          2. BJC profile image67
            BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your point is what?

            1. BJC profile image67
              BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              King wanted equality and proceeded to go about things peacefully.  I'm white and proud.  You're black and proud.  Howabout being American (if you're from here) and proud.  That is realy what should be taking place.  My comments remain the same.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah its fox news, if I wanted the lefts spin I would have gone to one of their sites. You're attempt at discrediting fox is going to take a little more than just your words it may take actual facts,do you have any?

  47. tksensei profile image62
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Did you get that foot out of your mouth yet RK?

    1. RKHenry profile image81
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Why good morning to you to Sparky.  Have all the squirrels refused to play a game with you today?  Are you in need of some attention?

      I see.

      1. tksensei profile image62
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Still feeling embarrassed?

        1. nicomp profile image61
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Don't mess with the doggy. Six Hubs.

          Scoreboard.

          wink

          1. tksensei profile image62
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL. Only took 5 months!

            1. nicomp profile image61
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I am so glad someone has a sense of humor.

  48. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago

    Identifying the racists here is not hard at all.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I just found one

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Only one?

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't read them all, I clearly found that one!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            And clearly missed another!

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe

  49. rsmallory profile image84
    rsmalloryposted 7 years ago

    I stated this on the other thread on this issue as well-how is what Wilson did any different or worse than kerry calling bush names, the democrats booing Bush during the state of the union address or reid calling him a liar and a cheat?

    Like I said-if one is made to apologize they all should. And besides Wilson already personally apologized to the president. Why is it necessary that he apologize to congress r on the floor?

    I am sick to death of these double standard politics.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Its not, but they are in charge and have the pulpit now.

    2. BJC profile image67
      BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      At first I thougtht Wilson was out of line for making the comments where he did.  However, upon much reflection, he wasn't, he apologised so let it go.  Being politically correct is out of control and most of us are pretty darn tired of being forced to play by the rules of the yard bully.  Americans are waking up and things are changing because this current administration has an agenda way left than any of us can imagine.  If anyone out there thinks my comments are racist, keep your comments to yourself.  That is part of the politcal correctness that is out of control.

      Bring back Condi!!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What? 8 years of political incorrectness wasn't enough for you?

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Randy do you follow College football?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Deed I do, now watching Florida Vs Troy.  Dove shoot later.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Who is your team? And anyone who is reading I know this is not relevant but it happens all the time!

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Bulldogs of course, but they're not looking too good so far.  Any SEC team gets my approval, how bout you?

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Texas, Hook em! I figured you were a Georgia fan, what did you think of OK State. We gotta play em like always and they always play us well. I didn't see the game so is Georgia that bad or OK st. that good?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I didn't see the game either because I was shooting birdsd last Saturday.  Since Ga. lost both Marino and Stafford to the pros it seems to be a rebuilding year.  I like the Horns too, especially when they won the championship a few years ago.  Gotta root for the southern teams.

          2. BJC profile image67
            BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Bush didn't do everything right!!  The last two years the dems had control and he couldn't breathe without their permission.

            1. BJC profile image67
              BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So, Randy, enlighten me please, what was so politically correct about the Bush administration?

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Too bad they gave him permission.

              1. BJC profile image67
                BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That was racist.

                1. RKHenry profile image81
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Becareful with that word.  You've been reported.

                  1. BJC profile image67
                    BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't threaten people that you don't agree with.  IF people were reported everytime someone disagreed no-one would be here.  That demonstrates your ignorance.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I now see the problem, you don't understand the meaning of the word "racist."  Not surprising!

                  1. BJC profile image67
                    BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You got my point!  How idiotic using the word at will really is. 

                    BTW, our military have often been referred to as boys, are you going to take offense there too?

                  2. RKHenry profile image81
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm kinda curious as to why this post is now becoming about racism, and racists- when it very well was about something else.
                    ______________________________________________________________________

                    BJC- why don't you start your own thread about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Dr. King.  One where you can give your silly little antics a full playground to breed?  You can also explain to the international community how you are an expert on racism and how you've marched with Dr. King, like my grandparents did.  You can then explain to the rest of the international community your own black heritage, and how you've walked in Al Sharpton's shoes when he was a child- beaten in the streets for being black.  You can the rest of the world, how you cried and wept for Obama; because finally YOU felt a sense of pride in being black.  That you now realized that maybe the words, "Free at last" were going to apply to YOUR grandchildren. 

                    By all means- start this thread YOU'RE so well informed about.

                3. Misha profile image77
                  Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Umm, you lost me on this...

                  EDIT Ahh, we cross-posted, now i see smile

    3. RKHenry profile image81
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      First of all, the Senator WAS NOT made to apologize.  The good Senator did it on his own.  Like any decent human being would do. He WAS NOT forced to do jack shit.  Did I miss the whole gun to the head ordeal, or what?

      He apologized. And good for him for doing so, he should have.
      Obama accepted his apology.  Done!

      _______________________________________________________________

      It not a federal offense when a man, who has done something wrong- apologizes for his/her behavior.  And to imply that it is, or that it was; well................ need I say more?

  50. sherry23 profile image60
    sherry23posted 7 years ago

    That was a ridiculous out burst, he shouldn't have spoken it out aloud anyway. Its okay to disagree, but no outbursts.. Well at least he apologized, and I think his apology was accepted. Maybe it won't be held against him.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't bet on it sherry!

 
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