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Patriots March on Washington DC

  1. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    http://voteronpaul.com/newsDetail.php?1 … -D.C.-2208

    there are many other photos across the web showing the numbers that attended the march...some say a million or more

    one showed the mile from the capital on Penn. Avenue packed with marchers

    1. atomswifey profile image68
      atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Amazing! And how how awesome it is that there are those willing to stand up for America! Stand up for the Constitution!!!! Had I been well enough to attend I would have been there myself.

      God Bless America!!!!!

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This guy was there and took his own pictures. Take a look.

      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2338250/posts

      1. jiberish profile image80
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Madam X, how dare you post those hateful pictures and Insult somebody?  I'm offended, no wait, someone else will be offended.  smilesmile

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm offended

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Contrary to PC, er, I mean popular belief - it my First Amendment right to offend.

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I am so very proud of my countrymen for speaking the truth. My regret is that i could not go myself.

      2. maven101 profile image77
        maven101posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Great pics ... wish i could have been there...Larry

        1. BJC profile image66
          BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This is just the beginning!  I love it!!  Thanks for sharing the pics.

  2. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    LOL While I share the attitude, I doubt the million estimate very much. It's about the total number of DC population, with suburbs smile

    1. SparklingJewel profile image65
      SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      there is only one million people living in DC area?  don't you live in the DC area, Misha?

      I am no judge of numbers by visual view...find the pictures...what do you estimate?

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ABC confirmed 1.5 to 2 million.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Like anyone should believe anything you say.  Let's see the source, "Madame."

        1. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Heh, that's funny Lita.  I'm known as Imperator on some boards.  You should see the cheap shots I get for using that name.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't usually make mistakes, LDT, wink....and if I do, it's by honest means.  Little history here.

            Still waiting for the source.

    3. jiberish profile image80
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this
      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It's all good and I like the pic, yet nobody did the count. Again, Washington is a relatively small city, and to fill this square you probably need a couple dozen thousands people. Still huge numbers, but hardly millions. smile

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Are you sure? Could you be wrong?

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Of course I can. My estimate is as good as anybody else's smile

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ok. just wondering.

        2. jiberish profile image80
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ok, Misha, (with your new Avatar) what's your point? It can't be a good march unless it's over 1 million?

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nope, my point was to be polite, and answer you - you posted this like at least half a dozen times, at least once quoting me. smile

            1. jiberish profile image80
              jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes I did Misha, it was for the benefit of those who asked for proof that it was over 6,000,  I trust your smart enough not to take offense.

              1. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Absolutely. And 6000 looks way off, this square definitely can hold at least several times more, and it was full. smile

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                  Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this
          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            See GG post smile

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              What?

              1. jiberish profile image80
                jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this
              2. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Scroll back a dozen pages and read girly_girl post about press estimating numbers smile

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  ...for it contains SO much partisan credibility.  Especially at the age of 22.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Because nobody under the age of 23 has ever accomplished anything

                  2. Misha profile image75
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Lita, attacking a very nice community member for nothing does not add to your credibility, rather diminishes it...

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                  Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The D.C. park service has stated that it was between 1.5 and 2 million. Their number are accurate because they are based on how many people the parks, the mall and the streets of D.C. will hold - as they have had to calculate this many times in the past due to a lot of other events, marches and protests.

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Says the "woman" on a ridiculous forum post with a BIG X for a name and background.

                  2. Misha profile image75
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I did not see the estimate from the park services, but if they did - they did, I am ready to take my estimates back smile

  3. maven101 profile image77
    maven101posted 7 years ago

    Democracy in action...mostly ignored by the MSM...unlike the huge media blitz for a so-called million-man march led by a racist anti-American...

    1. AEvans profile image70
      AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He was racist? I have read about him and I do see the pros and cons however why is it o.k. for our white race KKK , White Supremist for example to lash out but it is wrong for him to express his opinions? Is that not a double standard? Both are wrong for there actions and beliefs but Farrakhan lead millions of black men and told the people to take the violence out of there neighborhoods, stop the drugs and crime and take responsibility for there actions. The Klan has worn gowns and hoods, hid there faces and stated that the white race is the only race what did they do to take on responsibility? They chose to spread hate amongst millions and place fear in others.  Please! we are not the only race and maybe the Klan (with there hoods off) and Farrahkhan should sit across from one another I wonder then who would spread Peace? I would say hands down Farrahkhan although he has made his comments and just like the hateful Klan he is also entitled to his opinion. So if all of us who stood up to end racism maybe both sides would step down but we know this is not going to happen.smile

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image68
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maven, I hope you're not referring to the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964 for his efforts to end segregation by non-violent protests, who was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1977 and the Congressional Gold medal in 2004 and in whose name a national holiday was created in 1986.

      If you are referring to Dr. King you are a very sick and ignorant man. I feel sorry for you.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No - he is referring to the million man march held on Oct. 16, 1995 led by Louis Farrakhan.

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
          Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks, Madam X! I'm glad. Apologies to Maven.

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image68
          Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks, Madam X! I'm glad. Apologies to Maven. I'm not a fan of Louis Farrakhan either.

      2. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just no more room in The Big Tent anymore.

      3. maven101 profile image77
        maven101posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ralph, you are so full of hate for anything or anyone conservative that you continuously open your trap and assure everyone just how bigoted and ignorant you are, my friend...If you want to defend Farrakhan have at it, but don't come off with this silly holier than thou BS....crawl back into your soft racist hidey hole and commune with your other liberal fascist friends...you not only misread my comment, you have displayed a stupidity I have suspected for some time now....

        1. livelonger profile image91
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh grow up. Read Ralph's response a few posts back and stop hyperventilating.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh grow up. Read Mavens acceptance of Ralph's apology a few posts back and stop hyperventilating!

            1. jiberish profile image80
              jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, this forum turned out interesting.

              1. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Who would have expected! big_smile

                1. jiberish profile image80
                  jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Misha, I haven't been rude or condescending to you yet, so here goes....Put a smile on that handsome face, will ya!

                  1. Misha profile image75
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What? yikes You did not like my picture? yikes

                    How rude and condescending of you! lol

                    Yet I think there is a slight smile there. I can try to look for a different picture, if you really insist smile

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And the constant whine is deafening!

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I heard it was more like 6,000...and this has been planned for quite a while.  Meanwhile, Obama has filled up another auditorium at a moment's notice...with 15,000 or 20,000.

    The detractors are loud, rude and vocal, but they are by far a minority.

    Similar to Hubpage vocalizers, ie. wink

    1. SparklingJewel profile image65
      SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      some are loud, rude and vocal...just like every other organized group that has ever been created on the planet big_smile

      I don't think there will ever be a day when all people will act polite and orderly...but there are many who do now regardless of their affiliations big_smile

    2. SparklingJewel profile image65
      SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      it was hardly a moments notice here in Minneapolis, and then only because they live in the vicinity... I have been monitoring some of those involved in the gathering here in Mpls.  it has been several months since they started to recognize the power of the opposition to Obama through patriot movements

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As usual the liberals have a hard time with estimates!

        1. SparklingJewel profile image65
          SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          well, for sure they are a GROWING minority and are backed by the power of the people and the US Constitution big_smile

      2. Jane@CM profile image60
        Jane@CMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I live near Minneapolis & didn't hear anything about this.

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      lari1307posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      had family there and there were so many that the metro stopped picking people up.  There were too many to count and the ones that could not go formed local.  Should have gone so you could have counted them.

      1. atomswifey profile image68
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Reports are that there were almost 2 million that filled the streets far more than what was calculated at the innauguration!
        LOL I think it is really funny to look at the videos, and pics of the crowds and then say it was more like uhm, 6000! lol LOL

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This figure was posted on a website source very initially....many hours/days ago.  If you read my other posts concerning how events numbers are first calculated and reported (they are quite often off a bit to begin with) you may understand this number better.

        But perhaps not, since this is a highly partisan post and concern, wink.

        Anyway, the final numbers are estimated, I have heard now, at 60,000-80,000.  (I heard mid-event that it was tens of thousands.)

        No interest in counting them, btw.  That sounds too much like work & I wouldn't be getting paid.  Cute little dig, though.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lita,

        I'm new here, but I couldn't help but notice your harshness and bitterness. I must say it is a testament to your writing ability.  You are definitely able to convey your feelings in your writing.  However, I must ask.  What's got you so upset? 
      You certainly seem left leaning in your politics.  The left has certainly carried the day so to speak in the most recent elections.  Why are you so angry?

  5. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago
  6. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … ation.html

    here's another...looks like more than 6,000 to me

  7. Hmrjmr1 profile image76
    Hmrjmr1posted 7 years ago

    Pics I've seen of the mall and the crowd would indicate about 100,000 news reports are indicating 10's of thousands, so it's a pretty good size crowd no matter how you measure it. Well over 6K. Every Pol knows for every individual that shows up at stuff like this there are 100-150 more in the population that think that way too. Pretty powerful message.

  8. readytoescape profile image60
    readytoescapeposted 7 years ago

    Try this pic of 14th & E street parks and recreation estimating the crowd at 1.2 million.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/12/ce … 2-rallies/

    so much for hearing,

  9. egiv profile image73
    egivposted 7 years ago

    I would respond to this myself, but Maureen Dowd puts it much better than I ever could:

    "I’ve been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer — the frantic efforts to paint our first black president as the Other, a foreigner, socialist, fascist, Marxist, racist, Commie, Nazi; a cad who would snuff old people; a snake who would indoctrinate kids — had much to do with race.

    I tended to agree with some Obama advisers that Democratic presidents typically have provoked a frothing response from paranoids — from Father Coughlin against F.D.R. to Joe McCarthy against Truman to the John Birchers against J.F.K. and the vast right-wing conspiracy against Bill Clinton.

    But Wilson’s shocking disrespect for the office of the president — no Democrat ever shouted “liar” at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq — convinced me: Some people just can’t believe a black man is president and will never accept it."

    -NYT September 12

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And Maureen Dowd is a fair and balanced source!

      1. egiv profile image73
        egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Her articles are more intelligent than the combined IQ at Fox, whether she leans liberal or not.

    2. SparklingJewel profile image65
      SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      one person cannot possibly comprehend what millions of others are thinking and feeling...the question is, why is she interpreting this opposition to socialist seeming actions a racism issue??? 

      psychologically speaking...could it be that she has racist issues...?

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    cosetteposted 7 years ago

    well, i was going to read the article but was distracted by a link to the Survival Seed Bank wink

    i did look at the pictures though. wow, that's a lot of protestors all right!

  11. ledefensetech profile image82
    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago

    It's funny how many people really miss the point.  How many times has Washington been marched on?  I can think of only two offhand during the 20th century.  The Civil Rights movement and the Veteran's March during the Depression.  The number of people don't really matter, it's the impact of marching on the Capitol that really matters.  Did the Civil Rights movement not really catch fire after the march on the nation's capitol.  Did that not throw the hypocrisy of the Jim Crow laws into the face of those that passed those very laws?  Was that not the message sent by that march?

    Why do you think the government ordered the Army to break up the Bonus Army thirty years prior to the Civil Right's March?  Because to allow such a march and protest would have destroyed the Progressive agenda politicians at the time were trying to implement.  So much for taking care of men who fought in the service of this nation.  It's interesting to note that both Hoover and Roosevelt vetoed any legislation that would have given relief to these men.  Give their policies and what they did while in office, one must ask:  Why?

    Could it be that the march would have caused people to ask questions?  We all know by now that the Progressives hate it when people ask questions and take apart Progressive arguments using logic rather than emotion.  Why is that?  Could it be that Progressive remedies, in the end, will not work?  Why would somebody support something that won't work in the long term?  Could it be because of power?  Do these so-called public servants want more power over our lives?  Could be.

    1. egiv profile image73
      egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Can you please learn to express yourself without writing paragraphs and paragraphs of meaningless fluff disguised as intellectual arguments? K Thanks.

      1. ledefensetech profile image82
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can always choose not to read it.  But then again seeing as you like to have things spoon fed to you expecting you to be able to think is probably asking too much of you.

        1. egiv profile image73
          egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Nope I just like concise, legitimate arguments. Try it sometime.

          1. ledefensetech profile image82
            ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Awesome another narrow minded troll.  Ah well, I'll just have to adhere to my no-troll policy.  Bye bye.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Going back to the OP - I think tech makes an excellent point here.

      1. Strophios profile image60
        Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Fun fact about the bonus march he mentioned: that was against Herbert Hoover, i.e. the opposite of what was progressive. It was also Herbert Hoover (no deficit, small government, Herbert Hoover) who called in the army (under Douglas MacArthur) to remove the protesters from Anacostia Flats. It was, incidentally, perhaps the final nail in his coffin, as far as any chance of reelection went.

        By the by, the GI Bill was passer under Roosevelt as I recall.

        1. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Fun fact, Hoover started many of the programs which would become known as the New Deal under Roosevelt, who in another fun fact, ran against Hoover on a platform of decreasing government spending.  What history books do you read?

  12. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    http://www.melaniemorgan.com/

    here's another one...shows more of the attendees

    1. maven101 profile image77
      maven101posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Lloyd Marcus clip was great...Thank you...

  13. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Just a quick comment because I haven't read the entire thread. I believe Washington has been marched on a number of times, not just two. I can't think of any specifics right now but I certainly recall a few during the past decade or two.

    Found some:

    The second National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights. The October 11th 1987 event, with estimates by the US Park Police at 200,000.

    Farmers had a March on Washington during the 80s.

    Just a couple of examples.

    1. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I forgot the Million Man March, yet that only makes my point for me.  It had far less than the million, but still burst on the consciousness of the nation.

    2. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hmm.  I wonder why those didn't make a splash.  At least they didn't when compared to the Civil Rights or Bonus Army.  Any speculation as to why?

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I remember the Gay march being all over the news and I do remember the coverage of the AIDS quilt at the Washington monument. Same with the farmers and the dozens of other large marches that have taken place in Washington.

        You do not make one march sound more important by denigrating another. They were well within their rights to march but don't treat it like a revolution...

        1. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's not a denigration.  Even our schools teach about the Bonus Army and the Civil Rights March on Washington.  No other march on Washington, and there have been a lot, are treated in the same way.  Wondering why that is, is not the same as denigration. 

          Yet you were educated in Canada, I take it?  So I'd not necessarily expect you to know that.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
            Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Don't patronize me again, I grew up watching the US networks.
            You said before you could only remember a couple.
            "How many times has Washington been marched on?  I can think of only two offhand during the 20th century.  "

            By your reasoning then this march will be the same...

            1. ledefensetech profile image82
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Well then that would explain why you hold the views you do.  American televisions is just about as bad as our public education.  Thank you for quoting me.  I could only think of two offhand, but when I dug a bit more I found out it has been marched on many times, I even provided a link.  I also asked why did those two marches garner such attention and others didn't.

              But hey, who cares about the truth?  If you can't wow people with facts, dazzle them with BS.

  14. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Well what I find amusing about this are the people calling themselves patriots, but they are in opposition to Obama.  He is our president, even if you did not vote for him, so I do not consider them very patriotic.  They have a right to march, but I think all of these marches are pretty funny.  Remember how back during the Million Man March the participants were mad because it was estimated only several hundred thousand people showed up, and it was no where near a million.

    1. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sweetie, we've been over this before.  Just because a guy holds an office doesn't mean that you have to agree with him.  I am going to assume that you didn't support President Bush's policies (it's OK, I disagreed with a lot of what he did too), if I'm wrong then please correct me.  So if you didn't agree with him, how is that any different from me disagreeing with Obama?

      Where does it say we can't march on Washington?  Last time I checked this was covered under the first Amendment.  It was a peaceable protest, no violence or arrests made. 

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pr … gton,_D.C.

      Apparently Washington has been marched on many times before.  Were those people in the wrong too?  Being a patriot is expressing a belief in liberty and the ideals that are enshrined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, not to a party or politician.  You can still be a good American and disagree with other Americans.  In fact, I'd say it's our wide range of opinions and ideas that make us all Americans.

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You did not read my message.  I said we have had marches, but the ones in recent years seem silly.  I thought the Million Man March was, and so is this one.  I can have a divergent opinion from yours, and yes that is very American.  You have a lack of respect for people that like Obama, plain and simple.  Sorry, but that is plain as day.

        1. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Your first sentence was "Well what I find amusing is that people are calling themselves patriots, but they are in opposition to Obama."  I doubt there has ever been anywhere near a million people marching on Washington at any time.  What interests me are the marches which spawned movements which changed things, for better or worse.  What was it about the Civil Rights march, for example that made it such a big deal?  Was it the wide spectrum of attendants?  Was it a march against societal tyranny?  Those are the real questions I think.

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Marches for Civil Rights and women's rights are good.  However, this recent march is steeped in hate and hateful images of Obama.  If this group of people has a better answer they should try making signs that are not so disrespectful.  Watching this is like watching Comedy Central because even though they are preaching hate, I really cannot take them very seriously.  I agree with Lita, this is a vocal and mad minority of people. 

            I also thought the Million Man March was ridiculous because I do not agree with Farrakahn's tactics.  Some of his followers used to come to our university and guilt trip people into donating to their organization.  Also, in a larger sense I do not like Farrakahn's violent past.  I do not like the ideas of the current Tea Baggers because they preach hate, and none of what they are saying is very appealing.  All of their ideology is pretty stereotypical and hateful.

            1. ledefensetech profile image82
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry Sweetie, had to laugh at that one.  Under the umbrella of "Civil Rights" is the idea of reparations.  Even if you believe in civil rights does that mean you believe in reparations?  And the woman's movement has a radical sect that states men, by their very nature, subjugate women.  Do you believe that?

              Do you know what I see a lack of?  White hoods and robes.  Real radicals don't compromise for anything.  Look at the periodic rallies by white supremacists around the country from time to time.  Do they leave their racist accouterments at home?  No. 

              Sweeite, I'm a tea bagger, so in what way do I preach hate?  I don't think I do, but if I do let me know.

              1. SweetiePie profile image83
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Your laughing is the height of disrespect.  Farrakhan claims to represent Civil Rights, but many African Americans I know are totally against what he stands for.  Also, if you are a Tea Bagger that makes disparaging images of Obama, I would think you are full of hate.  I am laughing at you because at least I can see how silly both of these marches are, and differentiate between true Civil Rights marches, and Farrakhan, who is a fraud.

                1. ledefensetech profile image82
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Now who is making assumptions.  When have I ever in word or deed preached hatred?  You never did answer that question.  You also never answered the question on supporting reparations or the idea that men, by their very nature, oppress women.

                  1. SweetiePie profile image83
                    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I just find your lack of respect for people in general to be unappealing.  You have made the assumption I believe in reparations of any kind, which I do not.  I believe in Civil Rights reform in making laws better so women can obtain jobs and vote, and minorities can also have better career opportunities.  Do you make hateful pictures of Obama like the ones I saw on this march.  Finding the Tea Baggers appeal is rather comical because all of their signs were over the top and yes, stereotypical depictions of Obama as an African man.  One had a crown on him and was making him look like Sambo.  The lack of minorities at this march also might be a clue. I saw one African American man in crowd.

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      mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are wrong.  The American people are fed up with out of control spending. health care reform that won't work and cap and trade which by the way is just a tax on us.  I am a patriot. I love this country, but I will not follow blindly a president and congress who will not lissen to my concerns I just wish I could have been in DC with the 1.5 million other patriots. I think you need to sit down and read the health care bill H.R.3200. read the cap and trade bill. I did.

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I read it and support something more aggressive.  I would like to see something similar to NHS in the United States.  Many people I know feel the same way as I do.  We have friends without health care and some of us do not even buy health insurance because it is way too expensive.  I myself can live without going to the doctor, but adequate and affordable health care for all is a human right.  I am definitely not wrong, but I stand for things that you highly oppose.

        1. nicomp profile image59
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Food is a human right. Where do I get my government supper?

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You are so outlandish, and yes there are food stamp programs for people with low incomes.  I am not opposed to social safety nets for less advantaged Americans.  Most people in the world recognize health care as a human right.  I really do not enjoy your exaggerations.

            1. nicomp profile image59
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You misunderstand me. Food is a human right so the government should provide food to everyone. Food is more important than health care. I can live without health care for quite a while but I think most people need food every day.

              1. SweetiePie profile image83
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The government has programs such as food stamps and food banks for those who are low income.  People who make below a certain amount of money do need more help than others who are earning a full time wage.  You are still exaggerating, and I am not playing along.  Government supervised health care is not giving it away for free, just helping to keep the industry a bit more fair and honest.  In the UK people still pay taxes that goes towards their care, which is overall more accessible and affordable.

                1. nicomp profile image59
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  The government also has insurance and health care for low income. Free eye care, free dental, free well baby care, free clinic visits, free transportation to and from the doctor's office, free baby food, free pre-school, free education from kindergarten through 12th grade. It's all in place now.

                  However, if everyone should have free health care, I want my free food and transportation as well. Food and transportation are human rights as well. I need those more than free health care.

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          mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We need a change in health care, but not this way. Put tort reforms for malpractis and caps on insurance companies.  Get rid of all the wast in our government run medicare and medicade.  Stop spending money we tax payers don't have.

          1. nicomp profile image59
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As a whole, the insurance companies only earn about 3.3% profit. They are capped by the market.

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              mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes but they can drop you if you medical problems cost to much money.

              1. nicomp profile image59
                nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yes they do. They are in the business of making money. They drop you legally. It's in the contract you agreed to.

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            mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I do not want some government offical to tell me what kind of care I can get, thats taking away my rights.

            1. nicomp profile image59
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Dead right. Taking over 16% of the free market is a further erosion of our human right to self-determination.

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                mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The young people of this country better start taking an intrest in whats going on, because if they don't they will loose what rights they have.

                1. nicomp profile image59
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Their rights are being chipped away by each succeeding administration. George Washington would throw up on George Bush and Hussein Obama.

                  1. ledefensetech profile image82
                    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't know.  Washington was a bit sympathetic to Hamilton and his Federalists.  Jefferson?  He would more than puke I think.

  15. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    So basically the election does not matter and Obama should do what his opponents want over those who voted for him.

    According to the news report I heard on Canadian network television an estimated 79,000 people marched. Which is still a large number why pump up the numbers?

    1. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Everyone pumps up their numbers.  As for the election, well many people voted for Obama because he wasn't a Republican.  They did the same thing in 1932 with FDR.  He ran on a platform of cutting the spending programs Hoover put into place.  He did the exact opposite of what he said he was going to do, once in office.  Hmmm.  Kind of like today.  The Great Depression was magnified in the US like it was nowhere else in the world due to FDR's policies.  People today trust the government much less than they did back then.  That's why we're marching today whereas our grandparents and great-grandparents stood still.

  16. BJC profile image66
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    www.GOOOH.com 
    check it out.  GOOOH = Get Out of Our House.  For those who are tired of the same old tactics by ALL the politicians, dems and rebubs, who are career politicians and have forgotten WE elected them and they need to listen.  It is the government for the people by the people.

  17. nicomp profile image59
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    Transportation is also a human right. I need transportation more than I need free health care. If I can't get to work tomorrow I will be fired I won't be able to make my mortgage payment.

    The federal government needs to give me a ride to work tomorrow.

    1. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Once again you are exaggerating.  In countries with nationalized health care people pay taxes for public transportation, just like they do in the US.  Taking the bus is a cheaper way to get to work.  Many work places promote ride sharing and carpooling.  People still pay taxes towards these things, and they do not exaggerate.  If you pay taxes towards public transportation and decide not to use it that is your choice.  Walking to work is free too!

      1. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I feel a little tired and sleepy today, but I don't plan to go to the doctor. However, if I can't get a ride to work tomorrow I will lose my job. I need the federal government to take me to work. I work at different locations all over the city on a varying schedule and the bus doesn't pass by my house anyway. I need a free car before I need free health care.

  18. BJC profile image66
    BJCposted 7 years ago

    My experience with NHS is nothing but a LONG waiting list.  The government is messing everything up with the idea they know what's best for us.  We elected them to work for us.

    www.goooh.com

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    As far as human rights:

    http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/


    Now we will hear curses against the UN from the contingent...

    1. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I like the Declaration of Independence better.  I never even liked the Declaration of the Right of Man the French gave us.  This UN document is more of the same sort of nonsense.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think all have some validity, personally.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    I'm pretty sure Obama is serious about this health care thing.

    I saw a picture of him with shirt sleeves rolled up and pointing his finger at us again!

    1. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It could be worse, he could be giving us the "look".

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, he's serious alright - at least that's what he's been told to be.

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      mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes you did and we can't let him have the last word on our health care its ours.

      1. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And he wasn't wearing a tie.

        Just like the guys on the Weather Channel. When they are in the studio covering a hurricane they take off their suit jackets.

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          mpriesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Vote them all out in ten months. vote for recall if your state has it.  I wish illinois had it.

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            California has it. About 15 years ago we recalled Grey Davis, the governor. But it'll never happen now. Californians voted Pelosi in. That says it all.

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              You sure that wasn't six years ago?

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                no, it was in the '90s

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Dang - I swore it was before I moved to another state. I guess I was still very caught up in CA stuff that I remembered it as if I was there. Oh well. Mea culpa.

            2. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That was only in 2003.  I see you really do not live in California or know much about our state.

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Ok, so I made a mistake - Why are you being so rude?

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I was not being rude, but you are mocking people who lived in Calfornia and who might have voted for Pelosi.  I actually like her you know.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, you were being rude. First you state that I "really do not live in California" and then you say I don't know much.

                    As for liking Pelosi - you have my sympathy if that's any help.

  21. girly_girl09 profile image80
    girly_girl09posted 7 years ago

    Haven't read through this entire thread...

    But....back to number estimates, I'd like to contribute that I've worked on many well-attended political events where we have known for CERTAIN how many people were in attendance (whether it was from official Secret Service calculations) or by looking at lists where people's names have been checked off as they enter. I cannot even begin to tell you how many times I have read incredibly low media estimates on turn-out, even if the media was provided with official, hard numbers. For some reason, the media doesn't always accurately report event turnout....weird! wink I can also personally attest to the media reporting exaggerated numbers for protest groups outside of candidate events. Truly irresponsible, inaccurate reporting. (I'm assuming most people can count to 10?) One newspaper published 50 protesters when there were CLEARLY 10. Photographic evidence and all. Oh, well - if it is published in the newspaper or anywhere else, it must be true!

    One case in particular was very interesting as two candidates used the same venue two weeks apart. Our candidate had people overflowing out of the venue, the other candidate did not. Guess what? The other candidate magically had a much higher turnout estimate than the event I had worked with. Strange...

    Anyways, I don't care if it was 100 people or 10 million people in attendance, the thing that IRKS me is that the media tends to inaccurately report event turnouts all the time. I think it is truly ridiculous. I never trust the numbers I see, no matter the media outlet, unless I was actually at an event myself. They are seldom accurate. Either over-exaggerated or minimized, depending on the slant of the report.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well, then some reporters should be without jobs, certainly.

      Truth is always a little more complex, and estimating it is also complex, speaking as someone who works in both the capacity of organizing events and estimating the numbers, as well, for publication. 

      ...AND speaking as someone whose professional event planning and writing carries no partisanship whatsoever...

      1. ledefensetech profile image82
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Can you honestly say there isn't any bias in the news world?  Who determines what is newsworthy?

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I look at the news world through the lens of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle - your observation of the data, by definition, alters the data.

          in other words, your point of view skews the reporting.

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As I state, it is actually a little complex, LDT, and not to be torn apart by partisanship in the getting-sillier-by-the-minute forums.

          I was saying there that I work in an entirely nonpartisan field...planning events like books signing parties and concerts, dinners & the like.  I'm also the writer responsible for estimating the #'s for reporting, if need be, in our own material or to the media...  Got to go by first count, ticket count, cash count, etc...  So the numbers are never definite at first, really.  Similar to what they have to contend with in reporting.

          There are some books I could dig up and recommend you read as far as journalistic 'newsworthiness' and bias, but I'm not going to go into long paragraphs on the subject just to promote and/or disprove a partisan argument among the moronic trolls today.  I'm not in the mood.

          1. jiberish profile image80
            jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Nice resume!

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Good one!

            2. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Not that anyone asked, right?

          2. ledefensetech profile image82
            ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            In a way these people are held up to an impossible standard.  It would help if some of those people in the field would admit to it so we could all get on with the business of rational discussion.  At any rate, if you want to shoot me a link or email for the names of those books, feel free.  I'll have a copious amount of time to read them, after all.

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Why do you have a lot of time, LDT?

              And I hope to God you at least see what I'm saying about the state of the forums?

              Yeah, bloody amazing...I have had a career...geez.  And a degree in journalism.  Double geez. 

              And it isn't about admitting standards.  It's about knowing standards.  It's a profession...like anything else.  Anyway, there is no rational discussion here among the bored and/or whatever they are retiree trolls/what have you.

              1. tksensei profile image62
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                ............................. roll

                1. jiberish profile image80
                  jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Another good thing to put on the resume..

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And she comes complete with fans!

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                  Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Said very tongue-in-cheek, you troll.  Like it's supposed to be some big unusual deal or something to have a work life/experience?  Get it?  Don't you even pick up on that sort of tone in writing?

                  Hopeless, just hopeless...and pathetic.

                  1. jiberish profile image80
                    jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    A tone in writing?

            2. blue dog profile image78
              blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              ldt, with a couple of exceptions, you are clearly in the wrong forum if you're looking for rational discussion.  but then, i know that you knew.

      2. girly_girl09 profile image80
        girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why should it matter that my professional event experience is political? Actually, I think this gives me even more reason to speak on the matter as to how the media loves to minimize or over-exaggerate numbers to fit their story when it comes to politics. Political events are a whole different ball game.

        I can personally attest to many examples of the press inaccurately reporting crowd numbers, as stated in my post above. Including times where we provided official S.S. estimates to media outlets. I have also had several conversations with SS agents that said they have seen inaccurate crowd reporting by the media, all the time. It does happen.

        To me, personally, I find the inaccuracies quite disappointing.

        I understand that with an event like this (no metal detectors, guest list, etc.) that it is more difficult to estimate crowds. However, the numbers coming from various sources are enough to make anyone raise their eyebrows - anywhere from 10,000 to 2 million - huge discrepancies, anywhere you read.

  22. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    http://michellemalkin.com/

    looks a little more than 6,000

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Jib, that 6000 came from a credible source! Just ask her.

      1. atomswifey profile image68
        atomswifeyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        uhm, yeah 6000

        Ok so what were all the 999,994 plus, other people doing there? I guess maybe looking for a parking spot? lol LOL LOL LOL

  23. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago
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    jiberishposted 7 years ago
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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I was being facetious!

      1. jiberish profile image80
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Tex, I keep posting it to show some 'proof', but even when they see it with their own eyes....they just can't admit they're wrong.
        http://michellemalkin.com/

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No sh, er duh! I thought you misunderstood me, my bad!

          1. jiberish profile image80
            jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Tex, not you......

            http://michellemalkin.com/

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Admit what??? That they're  . . . gasp . . . WRONG! You can't be serious.

  25. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    http://michellemalkin.com/


    look at that angry mob.

  26. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    Like it's not enough he's has his hands in everything already, here is what's next on the agenda:

    President Barack Obama to push banking overhaul
    President Barack Obama is to call for a series of sweeping regulatory changes to the framework governing the world's largest banks in a bid to prevent a collapse like that of Lehman Brothers.

    1. jiberish profile image80
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And yet another brilliant move:

      Trade relations between two of the world’s biggest economies deteriorated after Barack Obama, US president, signed an order late on Friday to impose a new duty of 35 per cent on Chinese tyre imports on top of an existing 4 per cent tariff.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Good idea to piss the new landlords off!

        1. jiberish profile image80
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And Yet another:

          White House economists in recent days have warned that the economic recovery won't be swift. Lawrence Summers, director of the National Economic Council, said last week that unemployment will "remain unacceptably high for a number years."

          Ok, I've proved my point.

          1. jiberish profile image80
            jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Does Obama know that if he wants to beat Bush's record, the numbers have to go down?  9.7% to date.

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh, he's already beat Bush's spending record.

              1. jiberish profile image80
                jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Only 4 more hours before the Monday "Rush to do something new by Obama Day!"

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                  Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Obama has made 263 speeches in 235 days in office. When does he have time to think of all these "new" things to do?

                  1. jiberish profile image80
                    jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    In Obamaland, all the trees are covered in chocolate, and the sky is cotton candy.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    "Think" He is told what to think by George Soros!

                  3. BJC profile image66
                    BJCposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    He's cloned ..... or actually, he's not human after all but from a UFO.

          2. jiberish profile image80
            jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I posted this earlier, just goes to show how effective he is.

        2. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          This is exactly the sort of thing that made our last Depression Great.  Doesn't anyone in Washington read history anymore or are they all too busy getting as much cash out of the till as they can?

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, they read history, to figure out how to get money out of the till.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Time to go the Hall Monitor is here!

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        She is the biggest killjoy since my mother caught me in the closet with the blond girl next door! I was 6, She was 12, Pow chickapowpow!

  28. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    Geez did I run everyone away?

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Not you

      1. jiberish profile image80
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Tex I know, I was talking about the ones who are extremely offended, even though they are over educated.

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And they make friends so easily!

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I would never be interested in becoming friends with someone who spews hate (IMHO) 95% of the time, sorry.

            At last count, I had a few more fans than did you, as well.  Just a fact.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I take it you are not friends with ColdWarBaby, right? wink

        2. jiberish profile image80
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And have more fans.. Tex, she has you on that one. smile

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Darn!! And look Blue Duck the liar showed up!

  29. Mighty Mom profile image93
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Are all those people and signs from the SAME march? That's quite an angry mob -- but their anger seems to be all over the place. Usually when people march like that it's behind a single issue like end the war or abortion (either pro life or pro choice). This just looks like a bunch of crazed people with signs, most of which don't even make any sense.

    I am not offended, btw. Just scratching my head. Who ARE these people???

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes - all from the same march - yesterday - in D.C. The man who took these photos was there as he states in the first sentence.

      They are protesting a single thing - Obama.

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure you will convince this lady, "Ma'am."  Very certain.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Americans!

    3. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LOL @ "angry mob"! Probably all racists too, huh?

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Wonder how many buildings were burned or stores looted?

  30. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    a short portion of the  message from the TEA Party Patriots organizers:


    "You Are the Heart and Soul of Tea Party Patriots
    Continue to keep up the incredible work you do to further our core values:  fiscal responsibility, constitutionally limited government, and free markets.  You are the heart and soul of this movement.  Please let us know if there is anything we can do to help you!"

    they are all on an undescribable high from the march...very heart warming to patriots that feel the soul of America rising to a more justly run government by the people and for the people big_smile

  31. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago

    it really is a mystery to me how anyone cannot understand the opposition to the current administration's actions. It's pretty darn clear what socialism is and how the actions of the administration can be perceived as socialism...

    why is it that socialism is not being perceived by Obama supporters?

    i really have my perceptions, but I would like to hear from those that are not perceiving socialism

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They can't/won't see or admit it because they really do see the hell that is coming down on us and it's all their fault. They voted for this guy and taking responsibility for their actions is not something they "do".

    2. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We already have socialism in this country to some degree.  Medicare, Social Security, and even libraries are a form of socialism because anyone in a community can check out books, for free.  Not all socialist ideals are evil, and I would prefer a health care system similar to NHS.

      As I said once before my concern with that march were the racist depictions of Obama on posters and signs.  However, I guess going to that rally was like going to Disneyland for some people.  That lady standing by the Sambo like depiction of Obama seemed to think so anyway.

      1. SparklingJewel profile image65
        SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        yes, that is why I ask...already recognizing socialism is present to a degree, should make it easier to see how far is too far for it to continue...

        what I am hoping to hear from someone else is the recognition that dependency on government has gone too far...citizens don't take care of themselves anymore...that is a disrespect for one's own soul evolution...we must stop ourselves from falling deeper into the lethargy  and blindness and corruption of our souls...


        as far as it being like disneyland for some...there are people in the world that have never found the feeling within themselves to rise up and complain about anything...even when needed...but now they have found that sense of soul self and are like children that will grow now that they have a sense of the way to go

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I completely disagree with you on that point. I think this was very serious for everyone there. They are looking at the complete destruction of our way of life as we live it under our Constitution. It doesn't get any worse.

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I said that, not Sparkling Jewel.  Sometimes with quoting the html gets mixed.  Yes the lady with the Sambo like depiction of Obama was acting sort of silly, and if she is serious I would be very surprised.

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry. the "quotes" were confusing.

          2. SparklingJewel profile image65
            SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            that wasn't my quote...don't loose my words in the shuffle, please

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes I know, SP already pointed that out. Sorry for the confusion.

        2. SparklingJewel profile image65
          SparklingJewelposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          MX,
          here is that portion of the thread...please don't put someone elses words in my mouth, thx

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    "because they take me to be a 'liberal' (which also isn't the truth)"

    Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what?

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    I never ridiculed you GG, nor called you a liar.  I stated what I stated concerning sources of information and what I know of the journalistic field.  That this pack has turned it into something else, and you...by association, did too, tells me something.

    And I hope you are happy with that.

    1. girly_girl09 profile image80
      girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You did ridicule me. However, my limited interaction with you on the forums is not what I base my self-worth off of, so no worries. big_smile

      Other than that, all I have to say is that it's truly too bad that you seek to judge me based upon my age, education, political party affiliation, etc. Again, I have been nothing but respectful and polite when offering my viewpoints into the conversations taking place.

      I may only be 22, but I do know that respecting others' viewpoints is something entirely different than agreeing with them. Respectful, I am. 22? Yes. Republican? Yes. Unqualified to share my viewpoints? Not any less qualified than you or anyone else.

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You go Girly_girl!

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Stop stealing my lines Tex

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I said it first! Nanny Nanny Boo Boo

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You go girl smile

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        Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I certainly did not attack you.  But based on my limited interaction with you, and what you post, I hope that you are able to take a couple journalism classes and perhaps are able understand the profession better.  Or maybe talk to someone you do not perceive as 'a liberal'...so that you have a better understanding of what I am talking about as far as truth, estimations, and the field.

        It is good to share viewpoints.  However, using language and the crowd mentality around you in such a way that I have seen here is not something I much respect.  And it is not about age, political affiliation, experience or anything else, but what is core to an understanding of integrity. 

        The use of superior verbal ability is a powerful thing.  And with it comes with some responsibility, I believe.  That you have certainly NOT used.

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You did Lita. And quite low at that...

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm getting very tired of this, Misha...  Please include the whole post.  Taking things out of context like this either means you are an idiot, or very disingenuous.

            You absolutely do not have my respect at this point.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Not that I care - at this point smile

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Then please do me the favor of unfanning me.

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You are still good for backlinks wink

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          THIS.

          1. tksensei profile image62
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            ..................... roll x 1000

        3. tksensei profile image62
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          ....................................... roll X100

          1. jiberish profile image80
            jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Will take a class tomorrow.

        4. girly_girl09 profile image80
          girly_girl09posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's truly interesting how we all view things in different ways. You claim that I present my viewpoints irresponsibly and have limited integrity. That is simply not true. But again, we've had limited interaction. I know I'm respectful, kind and accepting of others' viewpoints. I appreciate your sentiments, but feel quite confident in the manner in which I present myself and my viewpoints to others. I do not resort to condescending, disrespectful remarks on an internet forum. I present things the way I see them, based upon facts, based upon experience, etc. They may not be facts or ideas that you are able to agree with, but that does not make them 'irresponsible'.

          Verbal ability is a powerful thing. We can agree on this, for certain.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Look, I was going to post more about events, which I am responsible for, and how an estimation of a head count is done.  Also how I am responsible for the number count and reporting that I representative to the press.  How an initial estimation of count is done(similar to how an initial story comes out with a number).  But we also go by ticket count, and ultimately $$ for a concert or an event.  ALL entirely bipartisan, as this is just hospitality/entertainment.  So that the number changes when reporting, and is not necessarily about 'truth.'

            Which is what I was talking about in my post on reporting.  Which I see you took as quite partisan...by the way you handled 'the crowd' around you and the fact you openly stated that I am a "liar."  I also saw something of this dishonesty in the use of language in the way you wrote your Obama's lesson plans for kids vs. JFK's speech post.

            That IS disingenuous in the way I look at things.  And cloaking that sort of thing in a nice manner of 'respect' is something many of us truly disliked about Sarah Palin, just FYI.  I would rather have things said straight up, as would most.

            Anyway, we do not have to agree.  And we can agree to disagree...better, though, would be the actual exchange of ideas.  I would expect, however, that someone of your ability would take a little higher ground...truly higher ground than some of the others here.

            I would say I am disappointed.  But as you said, wink, I suppose none of this actually matters...except maybe to those of us who are writer or speakers.

            1. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Some people say things like that but that's not what they really want.

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                Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Remember that post in the sand pit that didn't show up in hubtivity and exactly what I said there?  It stands.

                You are so common.

                Please take that as a compliment, wink.

                1. tksensei profile image62
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Nope. Can't say as anything you have to say is all that memorable.

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                    Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Then I'm sure you will stop following, yeah?

                    Anyway, when you've heard it from everyone all over the internet, I'm sure you get confused.

                  2. SweetiePie profile image83
                    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    That is a very snotty little comment.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Season finale of True Blood, Im outa here!

  35. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    If Obama would just slow down long enough to understand what he read on the teleprompter, he could see what a mess he's making.

  36. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    Obama to call for sweeping overhaul of regulations on world's largest banks...

    World being a keyword here.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    Whats 'pablum'?

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      runny grain cereal you feed to babies

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks! Thats news to me.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    gotta go true blood

  39. nicomp profile image59
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    If someone tells you our Constitution is a Living Document, turn and run. They're about to trample on it.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep.

      1. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They don't like what is says and they need an excuse to circumvent it without actually amending it.

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's also called administrative law.

          1. nicomp profile image59
            nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes. It's an activist court that makes law rather than ruling on specific cases brought before it.

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Oh look - a change of subject to deflect this one . . .

  40. nicomp profile image59
    nicompposted 7 years ago

    Two primary arguments against socialized medicine.

    If health care is so important and so personal, why aren't people willing to take responsibility for it? Why do they want the Federal Government to confiscate someone else's money to buy it for them?


    If health care is so important and has to be fixed *now*, why isn't the populace willing to amend the constitution?

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If healthcare reform is so important, why is NO ONE willing to look at the alternate Bill 3400 proposed by the GOP that pelosi won't let out of committee?

    2. Strophios profile image60
      Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      To the first, because no one should die because they are poor. There are more reasons, but that is by far the most succinct.

      To the second, because it is not thought to be necessary, because of Article 1 Section 8, which has been ruled to give the federal government (the legislative branch anyways) a large amount of power.

      Now, before you go bashing those liberal justices trying to bend the constitution, you may wish to recall that the ruling of which I speak was McCulloch vs. Maryland, in 1819.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You have probably noticed that anything that mentions facts that haven't been discussed on Fox or right-wing blogs will be ignored...

        I'm weaning myself off of paying this group any attention smile

        1. jiberish profile image80
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I got my talking points from Glenn Beck right before I came in..

          1. Strophios profile image60
            Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            As evidenced by your inability to actually argue or debate. You're much better at pointless verbal sparring. Although to be fair, I do doubt you actually get your talking points straight from FOX, you do have your own brain of course. That does make me curious though, is there a reason you refuse to actually argue or debate?

            1. jiberish profile image80
              jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I argue and debate when it's warranted.  I haven't heard anything worth arguing over.

              1. Strophios profile image60
                Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So you take it as self-evident that people should die because they are poor and you also dispute the validity of McCulloch vs. Maryland? (I may here remind you that Chief Justice Marshall, who pretty much controlled the court at the time of McCulloch, was appointed by John Adams, and so was likely implementing the will of the founding fathers (one of them anyways)).

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Just out of curiosity, how many poor people you personally saved?

                  1. Strophios profile image60
                    Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Saved? I couldn't say. Helped? A fair few, plenty of hours in soup kitchens, aiding shelters and similar. And some money, admittedly not as much as I'd like (though I don't have a whole lot either), given to various causes and organization. Also each year 20 miles walked against hunger, raising money in the doing of it.

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          As soon as "facts" are mentioned we will all respond with same.

          1. Strophios profile image60
            Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I don't know, my response seemed pretty factual to me. Unless you'd like to dispute McCulloch vs. Maryland, which you can feel free to do, but if your dispute is claiming it is not a fact then... the only proper response I can think of would be pity, because you would clearly uncomprehending of what facts are.

            1. jiberish profile image80
              jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not an attorney, but if this has something to do with the banks ..what's your point exactly? MBNA now Bank of America, I worked for both.

              1. Strophios profile image60
                Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Only that the major implication of the decision was to take a very wide interpretation of Article 1 Section 8, also known as the Necessary and Proper Clause, which, combined with a wide reading of the Commerce Clause (established in Gibbons vs. Ogden 1824, also under Chief Justice Marshall), gives a huge amount of power into the hands of Congress (i.e. the kinds of power you and your lot seem to despise so much).

                In simple terms: several fairly early Supreme Court decisions, made by courts very close to the founders (most justices having been appointed by such), gave to Congress the kinds of powers you are so vehemently arguing against. This is not a recent aberration, if it is one at all it is an old one, which is endorsed by the founders (some of them anyways) by proxy.

                1. jiberish profile image80
                  jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Why the need to state one old case, which is still in controversy? I am not in favor of giving Congress powers they don't deserve, although I'm sure by your post, you don't have an issue with that.

                  1. Strophios profile image60
                    Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I've actually stated two "old cases," neither of which is in controversy. As to why, it's rather simple: because of precedent, which is a rather important part of law. Also, because it is good proof that at least some of the founders were in favor of increased powers for congress. If you respect the founders, you'd respect this (or you'd admit that the founders were in no way a homogeneous group, but that would raise a whole host of other problems for you).

                  2. ledefensetech profile image82
                    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    All right, you've shown that you're a student of early American history so now you have to identify yourself.  Jeffersonian or Hamiltonian?  For the record I'm a dyed in the wool, Jeffersonian.

  41. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Well, both of Strophios's post were ignored completely.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Then you respond to him/her.

  42. jiberish profile image80
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    No health care will save all people.  It's curious that if this plan will be mandatory, how will some afford it when it's not going to be free???? It's  suppossed to be affordable, but only medicare is free to the poor.

    1. Strophios profile image60
      Strophiosposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I believe there is supposed to be a tax credit involved; however, I can honestly say that I don't really agree with the current bill under consideration. I'd much prefer single payer, universal coverage.

  43. Nickny79 profile image90
    Nickny79posted 7 years ago

    Yes, the democrats of so democratic that they even manage to get dead people to vote.  That's the trick they use in Cook (a/k/a Crook) County, home of our community-organizer-in-chief.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You mean Liar-in-Chief

  44. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    tk,
    RESPECT----> the window

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So, you saw it too, lol, I imagine, Cole?  Such class.  And that from the picture of a dog!

      1. ledefensetech profile image82
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I just want to know how he does the rolleyes thing.

        1. Colebabie profile image61
          Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If you saw it, and you felt it was appropriate, then I have lost respect for you as well.

          1. ledefensetech profile image82
            ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            My dear, it would be awesome for showing sarcasm.  Of course he's a nasty mean spirited little troll, that goes without saying.  Nor do I really agree with him in much of anything.  I just like the rollyeyes emoticon.

            1. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              ................... roll

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              No, not about that LDT...  Anyway, as if I care.  Given the reverse psychology with this creature, it is indeed a compliment.

  45. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    All I know is this thread is weird.  Obama has been compared to Hitler.  I have been called all sorts of names like clueless, dangerous, and told to sit in the corner.  Is this for real?  Some of the things said on here just tell me that there is quite a bit of hate going on.

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They've just let in a lower class of 'writer,' wink, SP.

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Just because they think it does not mean they should write it.  Seriously it just is getting odder, and odder.

        1. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You've never seen people when they're scared and confused?  This is it.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You give them too much credit, LDT..  A good quality, I suppose, though.

          2. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Not scared and confused. Annoyed and defensive. I was sure learning to ignore people was a skill we learned as children...

            1. ledefensetech profile image82
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It's a generational thing I think.  My parents were taught in a different manner than I was and our kids are being taught in a different manner than we were, etc.  For whatever reason we seem to be living in a declining age.  Rome in the third century, say.

              1. Colebabie profile image61
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well I'm 22. And I was taught it. No decline here.

                1. ledefensetech profile image82
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Agreed, I never meant to say that the younger you are the more immature you are.  It's just that the likelihood increases.

              2. tksensei profile image62
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And the second American Revolution is coming, right?

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          Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well, you know that business arrangement I was talking about?  wink  Yeah...

          We shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking it's anything other than that.

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think the business arrangement feeds off the boorishness and drama wink.

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              Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I just don't think they care and will sell.  Pure and simple.

              Of course, in the short term, you are correct, too.

    2. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's emotion rather than hate.  Machiavelli wrote about it centuries ago. He warned his readers that any prince who attempted to interfere with the lives of his subjects courted insurrection and revolution.

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It is rather childish though. Machiavelli is quoted quite a bit, and I am sure he would chuckle at how ridiculous people are.  There is no excuse for comparing Obama to Hitler, and the white face painted on Obama.  That is a really racist symbol for old fashioned African-American entertainers that used to have to paint their faces "white" to please their audience.  It scares me that people have not realized we can evolve pass these boorish behaviors.  I think many things too, but I do not shout just to shout.

        1. ledefensetech profile image82
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Your extrapolating from a minority of people.  Remember radicals are almost never popular so they take any advantage to get in front of the camera and spew their nonsense.  Remember when Jessee Jackson got involved with those teens who started a riot at a high school football game?  He attempted to deflect all wrongdoing from the kids and blame it on the school.  All radicals do that sort of nonsense.

          Now if everyone were marching with whiteface or Obama as Sambo placards then I'd put more credence into the racist theory.  You can't hold the majority accountable for what the minority do.  You'll note I hope that I don't castigate the civil rights movement or the women's movement do I?  I take exception with the radicals, but I don't consider everyone affiliated with those movements to be radicals.  Same thing holds for the Tea Baggers.

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I am very troubled by the imagery of this minority.  If they want Ron Paul to campaign for president in 2012 I would like to see him speak to people about this issue.  It is very powerful imagery by the way, and they say a picture paints a thousand words.  I am not saying everyone agrees with them, but it certainly needs to be addressed by some one higher up that they look to and respect.

            1. ledefensetech profile image82
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That's just silly.  What would you say about one of Obama's aides saying something like "white polluters steering pollution into brown neighborhoods".  Would you want the President to speak on something like that?  Would you be concerned about that issue as well?

              1. SweetiePie profile image83
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                No my concern is not silly considering that recently many people were concerned by Van Jones resigning, and imply all sorts of not so accurate things about the appointees of Obama.  The white polluters, really, where are you getting that?  Yes Ron Paul or some one higher up really needs to talk about the inappropriateness of comparing your opposition to Hitler.  It makes people take the Tea Baggers much less seriously, and I can guarantee many minorities will never join your cause because of the imagery at this march.  If it bothered me I can tell you it has also bothered others.

                1. tksensei profile image62
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hello? From Van Jones. Pay attention.

                2. ledefensetech profile image82
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Van Jones said exactly that:  http://www.breitbart.tv/green-jobs-czar … mmunities/

                  Is that not a racist comment?  Should Obama investigate such things.  Why was this guy allowed into the White House holding such views?

                  My dear, I'm a second generation American, my mother is Mexican and I support Ron Paul.  In some cases ideals are thicker than color or race or whatever you want to call it.

                  1. SweetiePie profile image83
                    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You may support Ron Paul, but are others going to when some of his supporters are parading around with these signs?  The answer is no most definitely.  Obama and the White House have distanced themselves from Jones, and probably did not know everything he did before being appointed.

                    What irks me is all the implication about how Obama is surrounded by dangerous and sinister people, but then his opposition is parading around with these signs.  I believe this is pertinent as we are discussing the Washington march.  I do not even care how many people were there or not there, I still think that vocal minority needs to learn a few lessons about what is appropriate.

  46. Strophios profile image60
    Strophiosposted 7 years ago

    I really must take this opportunity to make something of a public service announcement: I happen to love beautifully designed books too. This is important for no other reason than that it gives me an opportunity to remind everyone that we all tend to be more similar than we are different and that almost everyone here, regardless of their political opinions, is probably a pretty decent person. The point: that the vast majority of insults etc. slung on these boards are irrelevant and undeserved, aside from being things you would never say in person. See: http://xkcd.com/438/ (especially the alt-text: "It's easier to be an asshole to words than to people")

    This seems particularly relevant given the most recent interchanges here. Also, I make no claim to being above this myself, although I do try.

  47. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    So before ya'll take it further and start using words (like tk has already used) may I suggest you just ignore each other?

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      O, Lita already asked me to leave her fan club. Read the thread, you'll have some giggles along the road smile

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No thanks. Seeing name-calling and immaturity doesn't make me giggle, it just makes me annoyed.

  48. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    tk, why do you seem so angry?

    1. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Because you can't see the big smile on my face while I'm typing?

      neutral

      1. Colebabie profile image61
        Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You can smile and be angry. You are angry and get satisfaction when you think you are being witty.

        1. tksensei profile image62
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Can you cry and be happy? Can you juxtapose any two words and pretend to be making a point?

          1. Colebabie profile image61
            Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sure I've done it. And it did prove my point. I asked why you were angry. You said I couldn't see you smile. I said that you could smile and still be angry. Proving that your smile doesn't mean that you're happy.

            1. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Hmmm, need more help? ME HAPPY HERE, GOOD FEEL, HAPPY. HAPPY, HAPPY.

              1. Colebabie profile image61
                Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I don't believe you smile

                1. tksensei profile image62
                  tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Whatever makes you happy.

                  1. Colebabie profile image61
                    Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well it doesn't make me happy to think someone is unhappy. And the smiley face was for a "cute" effect, not a happy one.

  49. Colebabie profile image61
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    Tea Baggers, haha

    1. Colebabie profile image61
      Colebabieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well there is my immaturity showing smile

  50. dutchman1951 profile image61
    dutchman1951posted 7 years ago

    DO you think it Odd, that Our President leaves town during the 9/12/event. To go to a rally out west? A scheduled event out west, how convient not to face protest (Political Opposite) and embrace it.

    They say it was a non-staged event? Well if so why did folks have to go through an additional FBI screen, as well as the weapons check. Looks like a bit of suttle profiling in reverse to me.

    I want to think our President is on the up and up and he probably honestly is, (by himself) but he owes back to special interest groups, and with all this covert organising going on, and his Loose Political Idealism. I can not help but have some doubt.

    Evidently those Washington protestors (American Citizens) did not mean much to Our President, the same guy who in his Chicago acceptance speach said he will be every ones President...? 

    hmmm...!

 
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