Thats not true and you should not give anyone that amount , not before, first of all closing down all the blood sucking banks in America!! they are the real arrogant theives , are they even American owned ,probably not!
Why dont you go and learn how UN membership works? The permanent members are the Nuclear Nations. Who are the thugs and dictators in the eyes of the rest of the world? The nuclear nations of course, of which the USA is one.
The UN Security Counsel also sent a bloody large force to Afganistan for 3 years. Do you think they had change from $5bn? It probably cost $5bn a fortnight.
Who knows why they are there,business,travel,people who prefer Britain. I have never met anyone who said they so hated this Country they would leave, Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin threatened it but sadly never left. If you or others don't like the US then don't come, believe it or not we don't care! Misha have you left yet?
FFS, are you really that stupid? There are hundreds of thousands of Americans in the UK, just like vice versa, I have about 15 in my phone contacts right now. Most of them come over to go to University, and then stay.
Maybe not stupid, but certainly reclusive or withdrawn from society. I have spent a total of about 4 months of my life in the US, and I heard plenty of people saying that they would like to live in the UK for a few years. I guess that I just met normal people, people that like to see the world.
Living in the UK for a couple of years is a far cry from leaving the US because we suck! I have traveled courtesy of the USMC and everywhere I went we were loved and people wanted to come back with us. If you want to do the US a favor have Bill Clinton come back and stay, and have him bring his wife too!
You just keep on cutting, pasting, and twisting A Texan. Where did I ever say that the US sucked? Most of this crap that you spout is dreamed up by you. The biggest enemy of America is America, thank you for continously proving that.
Not yet. I am waiting for my wife to get ready. If this was for me only, I would have left a few years ago. I don't have any interest in living back into the USSR, and this is exactly where you guys are heading.
The ideal place for me would be a deserted tropical island, but then it is not entirely up to me, so this one is unlikely to materialize. Australia seems like the best compromise so far, except for the skin cancer.
I have heard of people leaving the States, I have many Expat American friends who have left their country for Europe because they were sick of the ignorance, arrogance, lack of culture and the emphasis on money over there.
Then leave! If you can't make it here then I suggest you go to a Nation of your choice. I don't think you will be missed by a majority of freedom loving people. The good thing about this country is you can just get up and go, seeya!
Well I haven't seen you say anything constructive that contributes to the discussion maybe you and Miss Canada can come up with something to warrent your attitudes. I mean other then selfrighteous remarks but please don't pull a brain muscle.
I don´t actually live in the US, never have and never will but I know it well because my brother lives in California and my sister in Boston. Have you ever been outside America Texas boy? To get back to your original question, I think that the UN is a good thing and all its members should fund it in proportion to their wealth.
Ok, that is your privilege. But I don't think that you would really want the USA to contribute less money, and therefore have less influence would you?. This is not the American way, and . . . watch out . . or China might fill the gap, and we may all have to learn Chinese.
Hong Kong is not a communist entity (although China is). One of the few things the British did before handing the colony of Hong Kong back to the Chinese was enshrine in the constitution the freedoms for individuals and the press (hence Hong Kong media often reporting on sensitive subjects such as Tibet, Xinjiang, Tiananmen etc).
Harvey when you say "us" are you talking about the US or Israel? 22 Muslim countries out of 192 UN member States is not many. Those are quite the impressive statistics about the UN resolutions, although I'm sure the numbers are low by now. They are not as high as they are for no reason.
The posts in the UN are alloacted in direct proportion to the amount of money contributed. The USA pays more than anyone else, and so it has most of the posts inside the UN (did you think it was a charitable donation?). The top people can only be appointed with US approval (or direct nomination). To me this amounts to control, although even the US super-rich, superpower cannot have its own way 100% of the time. Is this reply to yout liking? Neverthlesess, this is mite opinion.(:-)
So I guess that bringing up the formation of this nation two hundred thirty years ago is equally stupid to you. Because, I've got a red hot news flash for you. Circumstance in this country have changed, radically, in that amount of time.
So if Eisenhower had not pushed for charter membership we'd be talking about this now right?
Ok, I tried, you have to admit, I tried. We need to get the hell out of the UN and I don't give a rats ass what happened 60yrs ago! We are hated around the world and why should we care let them starve, fight and whatever makes them happy! That was then this is now, so you can't see where circumstances change and a change in course could be called for? So let me see, if you run into a wall you would keep running into it hoping that stupid wall would open up and let you through. When if you looked to your right you would see a doorway, it's sad.
Tried what? We are charter members. You don't think that gives us some sort of advantage? Whether you like it or not we sell to the world and the world sells to us. And because of our charter membership we have the distinct ability to veto what we don't like.
And without our charter membership in the UN what we have to say to the world is diminished.
There is one thing you don't quite understand.
Many may hate America, but oddly those very same people love Americans. Our government scares people, but our people are respected and cherished around the world. See the difference?
We are generous, the first to donate when there's trouble, and the first to volunteer help when help is needed, whether that help be personnel, hardware, or cash.
Your points are well made and well taken. I know we trade and I know some of our good friends put tarrifs on our goods to protect their own industries and are given favored trade status with us. We are too generous and sometimes we have to put our interests first. We want health care reform and all Americans are entitled to be free of fear of illness but, we can't have it all we can't afford to support the world and do whats good for Americans. The bubble will burst then it will all be for naught because we'll be in survival mode.
After WWII UN was founded bu US and Soviet communists. All secretaries were socialists but all under-secreataries were Soviets. All Russian names. They decided we would not have a wars but will negotiate. Since their existence were more wars than in history before.
You're quite correct in your assessment of why the U.S. cannot just summarily pull out of the U.N., but a little sympathy at peoples outrage at their total incompetence and ineffectiveness is not out of order.
The majority of people wanting the US to stay a member of the UN are not US citizens, maybe your stance in the world would change? Its not a stupid question to ask why we continue to be the only Country that deems it necessary to fund this group of thugs at the highest percentage!
The U.S. does not contribute all that is stated. When medicine is donated by the U.S. it is not our country donating it. Pharma companies (which most of our people say are heartless, donate the medicine to the U.S.)donate the meds, and the U.S. gets all the credit. Think, does the government produce commodities that it donates. Yes, hate the Big Companies, they save millions of lives.
It does not interest me! The US should get out now! We do not need to be a party to the constant whining and antisemitism flowing from the member nations! Was the 65 Million repaid to the US for the construction of the UN building? That 22% is the ceiling that any Nation is required to give and ONLY the US gives it!
Are we counting everything the US pays or the dues they say we owe. The US takes more taxpayer money for foriegn aid than any country has ever or ever will contribute. Don't ever question who we are you need to examine your countries policy for taking in suspected terrorists then setting them loose pending an imigration hearing. We need the wall along the northern border as well as the southern. Shame on you!!!!
Is that before or after they blow something up? I hope you have the privlage of explaining why you felt a terrorists rights were more important than someones Mom or Dad. I suppose you release child molesters and murderers as well that would be perfectly progressive. Let them get in a few more victems before they make it to trial. Thats why America needs to close it's borders.
You and that witches brew of liberal looney tunes need to come correct on this issue. If one of these bonehead moves leads to an attack on the US it will create real problems in any civil relations. Why would you even take that chance?
"In June 2009, the President requested that Congress pay the full amount the U.S. will owe the UN in his Fiscal Year 2010 budget request.
U.S. Debt to the United Nations
United States debt to the United Nations, in both the regular and peacekeeping budgets, exceeded $1.5 billion at the start of 2009. By far, the largest amount of debt is for peacekeeping, which is more than $1.3 billion. These arrears make the United States the largest debtor to the United Nations and threaten its ability to leverage the international community toward achieving key U.S. national security priorities."
America's light is fading relative to many other countries (China, India, Brazil etc) as it is and leaving the UN will just hasten this (for a start it is harder to export or import any item from/into the UK from/to a country that is not part of the UN).
I'm the sure the King of England did not think we were a sovereign nation on July 4th 1776, but our founding Fathers did! The United States celebrates its birth-date on July 4th every year, so who are we to second guess those great men? I know you have a point but I will not cede my position, its the Rebel in me!
The UN was a grand experiment but sadly it is a failure. I agree, the US should not be part of it. The UN can keep going without the US and our money since it's devaluating so much. It can easily relocate to Brussels.
Differing opinions lead to conflict as is obvious here. Now since man has the ability to rationalize we somewhere along the line of our existence have decided to live civil to insure mankind's survival. We formed a unity of nations of which the self appointed "morally just" host and regulate. Therefore it is only fitting that those nations that are the wealthiest and stand to gain the most from this unity contribute the most to its stability.
Host and regulate what? Basically the UN has become a place that somewhat gives thugs and dictators a cover of respectability by letting them be members. The other things is that the US is already so unpopular that these thugs and dictators can capitalize on it by declaring their demands and when denied they can cry victim to US imperialism.
Sure thugs and miscreants get to speak there. The same thing happens here. Everyone gets a say...whether everyone likes it or not.
We have people on the air here all the time who are diametrically opposed to one another. Yet, they all get to speak. Bill O'Reilly, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck, Rachael Maddow...they all get to talk...like it or not.
This is what we are all about. We get to discuss and disagree and it's great!
How many nations have become democracies since the U.N. was formed?
You're going to have to explain that more. The UN is not a model of the US. It is not at all structured in a similar way. And what do you mean thugs and miscreants speak here? Are you talking about our legislative body? I hope not. There are some that have misused their position in order to get rich but as far as I know they haven't behaved like dictators and mass murderers.
Also, I don't see the parallel between the talking heads and people like Amawhatshisface. The talking heads are not "elected" leaders.
There's no need to be snarky just because I disagree with you. The UN was not modeled to function like a country the way the US does or Soviet Russia was. It was created on the hope that it would prevent future world wars by creating a forum where representatives from each country can try to settle their differences through diplomacy rather than through war. It really functions as a club, unfortunately the membership requirements are very substandard.
I'm being snarky because you don't know what you are talking about. Read some history.
By the way; has there been another world war since the U.N. was created? If there has I'd be surprised as I didn't hear about it.
But that's not an indication to you that it's WORKING?
You said: "It was created on the hope that it would prevent future world wars by creating a forum where representative from other countries can try to settle their differences through diplomacy rather than through war."
How much different is that (other than the lack of war) than what Republicans and Democrats do in the senate every day? Are they not trying to settle differences?
I don't think it's a club, but do agree that the membership requirements suck. But do you really think we'd have fewer wars if those people weren't let in? I don't.
I think you're snarky because you're so full of yourself. And the creation of the UN hasn't prevented wars from happening so no the UN is not working. Hellooooo! Vietnam War, Iran-Iraq War, China annexing Tibet, Soviet Union attacking Afghanistan, Iraq invading Kuwait which started the Gulf War, then Gulf War Part 2, the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.
Please get with the program. I said WORLD WAR and so did you!
Here's what you said: "It was created on the hope that it would prevent future world wars by creating a forum where representative from other countries can try to settle their differences through diplomacy rather than through war.
If you want to keep changing the points in the discussion get used to my snarkiness. And please, grow a brain.
You miss the point, they give despots, tyrants and dictators a stage. Which in their circle of friends gives them credibility and hero status to come to America and stand up to the Americans. We don't need this.
If the despots, tyrants, and dictators are running a country of course they do. As to credibility I don't know. When one is afraid of getting shot between the eyes for disagreeing with a leader one does not hear a lot of disagreement.
Maybe if the building wasn't in NY? An island somewhere set up just for the U.N.
If the USA were to leave the UN, the greatest club on earth, (which it will never do anyway), it would lose its status as a Superpower even more rapidly than it is already doing. Imagine the USD no longer as the worlds reserve currency and imagine China, Brasil and India as the new super-rich world superpowers. This is already happening.
Why should the US cling to the position of superpower since it is as you say declining? Why shouldn't the new up and coming currencies take our place and have their money as the reserve currency. You talk like that's a bad thing. I would think most people would prefer it now that the US is not as imperialistic as before.
It's all about power and world influence. Nobody in power ever relishes a diminishing of power, and rarely lets go of it without a fight. Why do you say that the US is less imperialistic. I don't see any evidence of this.
Well that's an assumption on your part that no one let's go without a fight. I'm hoping that we do fade away and let the Chinese, Indians, and the Brazilians get a crack at it. I refer to being less imperialistic once those countries are on the rise.
Well good for you! How refreshing to hear an American say that it's time to let someone else have a go at dominating the world. I agree with you in fact. Especially if Brasil were to become the dominant player. . .
We are not talking about children fighting in a playground here. Let's invert the question. In what country does the US not have a military base? On what country in the world does the US not collect intelligence? On what country in the world does the US not spy with its satellites?
And we pay to use them and we have to pay civilians to work on them. They don't just let us use them, we pay England and Germany both for the bases we maintain. I believe our technology is on the verge of ending that rip-off! So why not pull out? Our Bombers and missles can reach any country on this planet we don't have to cow to them.
The US will not pull out from its bases around the world for the same reason that it will not pull out of the UN. The game is called "world dominance", and the US has until now been winning, but all that is about to change.
It is interesting to note that, for a country which spends so much on, and it so obsessed with, defense, the US has never in fact ever been attacked or invaded by any foreign power, on its soil. Unlike most European and many Asian countries who know all too well what being attacked and invaded really means, and even more curious, these are the countries which vehemently oppose the accumulation of nuclear weapons. If you have ever looked at pictures of Hiroshima after tha bomb,, you would surely never even utter the phrase "nuke 'em" or anything which implies the same thing.
I guess the British don't count? War of 1812? ever hear of it? So we should get rid of our weapons because we have never been invaded? I really don't have any sympathy for Japan or its citizens who were bombed, just don't care!
As usual you blurt out the part that you feel suits your position. THE BRITISH, NOT THE CANADIANS, ATTACKED AND SACKED WASHINGTON D.C.. But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good attempt at looking silly.
You are getting hilarious sneak. That is not what started the war of 1812 though. Washington was not sacked by the British until August 1814 and it was in retaliation for the looting of York, Upper Canada and the burning down of the Parliament Buildings of Upper Canada (Source). But that was a long time ago sneak.
I have for the sake of speed used Wikipedia also, but its not the most credible source out there. I am not saying that what I have read in other places dispute this site just pointing out it is not trusted bu many!
Well I'm abit of a history buff and I beg to disagree, we have been attacked by England in 1812 and they Burnt Washington to the ground. During the war with Mexico prior to the civil war. During the Mexican revolution numerous times. WWII Hawaii, Midway wre attacked, Guam and Alaska were attacked and occupied. The Philipines were attacked and occupied. Our consulates have been attacked around the world and New York.
I'm quite familiar with our use of nuclear weapons and had we not considering the extreme measures the Japanese employed we would have suffered huge losses trying to occupy Japan. The US has exercised extreme patients while little piss-ant groups take pot-shots at us. We may not allways get it right but were a helluva-alot better then the alternative. If we're attacked again by an islamic group I feel we have to hurt them so bad they'll never do it again. I would suggest melting both mecca and medina to let them know we are serious.
They know who we are and what we have, as I've said before, if you pull the tigers tail and you get mauled is it the tigers fault or the one who pulled his tail?
Technically Hawaii wasn't a state when attacked. Consulates are considered the property of the country they belong to so that's true. I also think Truman did the right thing in dropping "the bomb" in Japan. They were literally training women and children to fight to the death.
Melting Mecca or Medina would certainly insure a never ending fight with every adherent of Islam on the planet so that's just plain stupid. And whether you believe it or not there are plenty or people who worship Islam who are also on our side.
Who? If they are so loyal to what they believe that they would fight us forever, what happened to our team? Wheres the outrage? Iran gets nukes this will sure be a safer world! They attacked us! They attacked us! The only way we can possibly get a handle on this is for them to turn over the bad guys! If they don't point them out there's no way we will ever know who were fighting. They don't wear uniforms so islamics are going to have to get the job done and they are not. So either we teach them what terror really is or we can do it your way and take the path of appeasement since it has a great track record.
Ever hear of Turkey? We flew an unbelievable number of missions out of their bases during Desert Storm. How about Saudi Arabia? They helped us too. What about Kuwait and Qatar? All of those are Islamic countries.
Iran attacked us? When?
It is really really important to go after the right people when retaliating. If you don't you end up with more enemies than you started with.
By the way, how is Osama bin Ladin these days? Still making speeches from a cave?
It took alot of arm twisting to get what we needed it wasn't like they said ,"any way we can help."
You don't think they had anything to do with the war in iraq, please! What about our embassy? How soon we forget!
If there are so many on our side where are the bad guys? They haven't been pointed out or handed over by our friends. You need to work on your appeasement plan or give a logical argument for a realistic plan to solve the problem. Well what is it?
Why? You can't behave? We'd need to take you out too? Are you a colaborator to murder? When pansies like you are the cat it will only be a kitten and then you can give it all away. Let me ask, would you fight for anything? Is anything worth preserving? Is there any part of our Judeo-Christian values worth keeping?
This famous quotation can be applied to many situations, but in your case, it means that if you are full of aggression, then you will always find someone to fight (whether they are your enemy or not). This is my final word on this particular thread.
This famous quotation can be applied to many situations, but in your case, it means that if you are full of aggression, then you will always find someone to fight (whether they are your enemy or not). This is my final word on this particular thread.
The USD is already well on the way to no longer being the world's reserve currency. At the moment Chinese, Indian etc currencies are not replacing the dollar that much though, and foreign countries are turning to the Euro amongst other currencies. In fact, it is felt that the Euro will become the global reserve currency. Whilst at the present time the Eurozone is not the world's largest economy, it would be were the Eurozone to expand to include all of the countries in the EU.
Yes I have been out of the US many times, whats your point? I did not want to live in the places I went, Germany,France,and a few days in Italy. I have to admit of all the places in Europe Italy was the most pleasant! The other places in this World I have gone was at time of war or something similar, those places just sucked for obvious reasons!
In response to this "I don't actually live in the US, never have and never will although I know it well because my brother lives in California and my sister in Boston. Have you ever been outside the US?"
It is all a capitalist Chess Game for those who know how to play. Dictators are important for strategic moves and we created most for that purpose. There are capitalist dictators and socialist dictators. Pay little attention to the rhetoric and track the money flow. Our corporations flourish in either.
What are you proposing to keep them in check after N.Korea and Iran get nukes? If you're wrong you put future in the hands of lunatics. Do you really feel we're the worst choice or is it you just want the world to be a big commune?
As for the concern that we need to keep an eye on the nuclear powers, we can do that without the UN--it's called espionage. As for the concern that international relationships will break down, we can do without the UN there also. Try diplomacy.
The UN does not reflect American values. Several years ago, the US got tossed off the Human Rights Commission while leaving countries like Cuba and Zimbabwe on it!
The UN continues to ask for more American money. A quarter on the dollar apparently is not enough (and that does not account for special events like peacekeeping missions in which the USA funds at a higher percentage). Secretary Generals have regularly called for the direct taxation of American citizens.
The UN is for the mediocre, anti-Semite, and financially incompetent socialist. Other than that, it's not so bad.
The UN is a Cold War relic. Given how globalists fawn all over the thing, we could end the UN, dedicate a museum to its history, and it would make a lot more money for world peace than the UN sqanders each year.
Tex, you might sell your position if you could get creative about what to do with UN Headqarters if we could sell it off.
Well here's some more sources that say the same. I'm sure there will be a US source amongst them. Wikipedia is from the US isn't it. Here's a quote from it, "There were several immediate stated causes for the U.S. declaration of war."
You can't win with this brain washed group. Many are shameless and forget how America has saved the world many times. I would bet the people on this Forum have done well financially compared to the poverty line.
Many suffer from the guilt our government now lays on us. When they are effected, second thoughts may prevail.
That's funny. A German officer that was captured by Canadians during WWII was quoted as saying something like this, "when the Canadian cannons go off the Germans duck, when the German canons go off the Canadians duck and when the US canons go off everyone ducks".
I am almost certain you have been sued in your lifetime.
As for me, I'll just let you embarrass yourself further. Evidently, you do not have the inner compass to realize how you sound and appear to others. You should be ashamed. Instead, you glory in calling people names. Something is definitely wrong.
I didn't call you any names I called the statement racist! Couldn't care less what people think, and yes I have been sued 3 times for violation of suspects civil rights and was cleared 3 times! Happens to cops all the time
You should definitely try some deep breathing exercises Texan and maybe an 'OM' or two in the mornings. Then say the UN is not going to get me, the UN is not going to get me, the UN is not going to get me... Several times, while concentrating on that diaphragm,
"Clearly our expression to call a spade a spade was very well established long before the word spade had any racial sense. However, today the word does have a racial sense. If the expression is assumed to be offensive, it should be used with caution even if there's no real basis for the assumption. This is not an unusual event. The word bloody, for example, does not derive from a profane oath such as "by our lady," but that's what people thought, and the word was considered quite offensive. The incorrect etymological assumption did not change the word's offensiveness. Few people today would object to call a spade a spade, but some people might, and one should at the very least be aware of that."
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