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Muslim wears AMERICAN FLAG as headress

  1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
    Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago

    I'd like to know what people think of this,..

    Video - Captial Hill - Muslim wears AMERICAN FLAG as headress - http://bit.ly/rU4gi

    Personally I think it B.S. This past Sunday was "Honor Gold Mom's Day " I didn't see Obama inviting those Mom's to the Capital's state lawn, praying for those families who lost their Son's and Daughter's fighting the wars, Which is even more B.S.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I can't say what I think, I need some time to find the words. I'll get back to you.

      1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
        Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I got words,.but my words, would break all rules, I'm sure.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hello, AIM - i just wanted to thank your son for his service. i have no comment about the flag discussion.

      best regards.

    3. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
      Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Also,.....
      WHAT RELIGION BELIEVES IN PRAYING TO OBAMA?

      OBAMA DELIVER US?

      http://www.gamaliel.org/default.htm

      1. ledefensetech profile image79
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I hope they keep this nonsense up.  Finally there are ways for people to see the kinds of nonsense our politicians get up to.  The frightening thing is that absent the Internet, we'd never know what was going on.  So let them keep it up.  By doing what they're doing, they're alienating more and more voters and, even more importantly, getting people involved in politics who never cared to do so before.  That, more than anything, is going to stop encroaching government.

    4. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hmmm, yes, Muslims wear headresses, Americans wear t-shirts and wave flags on their cars, trucks, cycles, bumpers....

    5. shamelabboush profile image72
      shamelabboushposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are yo userious??? They wear the US flag as Bikinis, bras....!! Does that offend you too?

    6. mandybeau1 profile image60
      mandybeau1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well it flies in the face of Allah to do so. I mean colour of headress is a biggy, so what the star spangled banner doing on his head would be would be poking the micky at his own kind.

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    Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago

    And what the hell is wrong with that?

    1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
      Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Our flag should be flown, not worn.

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        Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So a white christian man can wear an American flag on his t-shirt, but a muslim cannot? America should be more worried about hardcore racists like you. America is able to conveniently forget that the successful Michael Jackson was a member of the nation of islam, Muhammed Ali, Shaq O'Neill, Akon.

        Oh look, your most successful pop star is Muslim. Your most successful sports star is Muslim. There are even 2 muslims in your congress, dont it just make ya feel so sick?

        America has huge flaws in its education system, and its not the children that Obama needs to worry about right now.

        1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
          Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You don't know me personally to judge me saying I'm a racist,..My God Mom is Black (Shes better than what my white mama ever was and my step sister who I love enough to die for is part Muslim !!!!

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So what exactly is the real issue here ?
            The flag should only be flown and never worn as an emblem , or is that a Muslim was adorned with the flag (as headgear) ?

            Can you clarify why ya so upset.

            P.S I wore one as a bandana once , is that ok

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          A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          So I guess you wouldn't mind if I wiped my "arse" with the Union Jack? You probably wouldn't, but we actually care about our Country and realize it wasn't Lutherans,Catholics, or Baptists that flew planes into our buildings.

          Unlike you Americans stand up for their flag, and we don't feel using it as a headdress or whatever it is called is exactly the appropriate place for it.

          <snipped>

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            Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well I pity you, but then I hate all racists; so thats at least one person that hates all muslims. And at least one person that hates you for that.

            1. livelonger profile image88
              livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I second that. I hate racists, too.

            2. sunforged profile image71
              sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              i also hate racists, but islam is a faith, not a race

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I hate Islam!

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                Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Its as close to racism as you are going to get without a specific reference to the colour of a skin. It is a serious form of prejudice nonetheless.

                1. nicomp profile image59
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Give up. You made sick specious accusations and now you are backpedaling.

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                    Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I said nothing inaccurate. I said that your best sportsman was Muslim. I said that two of your congressmen are muslim, and I said that your most successful ever sportsperson was muslim too.

                    I may have called the OP racist, I take this back. She is in fact Islamophobic. Still a prejudice, still a discrimination. There was nothing sick about that. Im not backpeddaling anywhere.

                2. ledefensetech profile image79
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Who cares?  Has he advocated the harm of Muslims?  Talked about exiling them?  Herding them into camps?  No.  Then what does his hatred of Muslims really matter.

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                    Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Freedom of speech is the right to offend. We wouldn't need an amendment to go around saying nice things.

          2. Make  Money profile image72
            Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You mean like these.

            http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/b0/1/AAAAAuE5fwYAAAAAALAUqg.jpg

            http://images.smarter.com/300x300x15/30/32/4563732.jpg

        3. ledefensetech profile image79
          ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's not the point at all Ryan.  Our government has been intruding on our liberties, specifically our liberty to be free to worship as we choose for decades now.  Heck just look at the vitriolic on both sides of the Religion forum. 

          What I got out of this was Muslims being encouraged to express their faith while that very thing is being denied to others. It has nothing to do with hatred or racism, but when you consider that many Muslims want to see the world united under the Final Caliph, well people not of that religion tend to get a mite worried. 

          Another reason for all of this divisiveness is due to politics and academia.  For decades we've been told how evil and oppressive we were and how we should be ashamed of America.  Yet despite all the nonsense coming from the Left and the ivory towers, millions of people have willingly come here to try to build themselves a new life.  Rather than that being an indictment of the US, I think that's an indictment of the rest of the world.  Why are those people fleeing their homelands?

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It was all illusion LDT. If I knew what I see here before I came, you would have never seen me here. you guys are pretty good at showing off...

            1. ledefensetech profile image79
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Are there better places to go in the world?



              Not really.  I did that to illustrate a point.  Public education claims to want to make things equal to everyone, but it can't.  Public anything limits your choices.  If you want your kid to go to a school where they teach the pledge, you should be able to.  Likewise if you want your kid to go to school with a certain "culture", great.  Public schools cannot be all things to all people.  So long as we have them, they will continue to stir controversy and divide us. 

              The greatness of America is that we allow people the freedom to choose.  Or at least we did.  What we're really fighting about now is control over government because government increasingly controls our lives.  Rather than fighting each other, should we not be forcing government out of our lives?  If we did that, what would we have left to fight about?

              1. LiamBean profile image87
                LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I've got no problem whatever with private schools and vouchers. The public school system has been in terrible shape for years, more like decades, still it bothers me a great deal that the words "under god" and "in god we trust" were forced into the places they are by religious zealots who couldn't leave well enough alone.

              2. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Providing you have enough money - quite a few. smile

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I thought you were leaving? Whats the holdup?

              1. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I told you once just a few days ago. Don't think I need to repeat to an adult smile

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            Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Every single country has immigration and emmigration. There are 224,000 Americans living in the UK. That is no indictment to America, its because people simply wish to move freely.

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              Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              There are estimated to be 6.6 million American citizens living abroad permanently. That excludes military, government personal, and even the dependants of expats (e.g. children). That is 2.16% of all Americans.

              You can find a break down here http://aaro.org/ 

              That map actually says 5.25 million. 40 Years ago there were just 750,000 Americans living overseas. Seems that America isn't quite as popular as you seem to believe.

              1. ledefensetech profile image79
                ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                So American expats are increasing,  what does that tell you?

                1. mcbean profile image82
                  mcbeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Those brave enough to venture out into the world find that there is more to life than the good ol' US of A.

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Hell, we'll make that back up in 6 months, and get some good Mexican food to boot!

                1. ledefensetech profile image79
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hell Tex, some of us are just coming back home.  Apparently some ancestors of my Mom helped build the Alamo.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I had 3 die there, hardheaded dummies!

            2. ledefensetech profile image79
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              In a way it is Ryan.  It's interesting to note that more and more Americans are becoming expatriates.  You can tell how well or how poorly a country is doing by the amount of immigration they have.  People leaving a country-country is screwed up.  People going to a country-they must be doing something right.

              LiamBean we may not be a Christian country in the sense that Spain was a Christian country, but there is a difference between not establishing a state religion and trying to remove all traces of a deity from public life.  Like it or not, there are people who are religious and we have to respect their beliefs.  Likewise they have to respect ours.  The best way to do that is to leave people alone and not try to force a particular outcome.

              Misha, personally I blame Moscow Center for many of our problems on the Left, in the media and academia if only because those were prime propaganda targets to destabilize the US.  One thing you can give the Russians credit for, they know how to wage a covert intelligence and propaganda campaign.

              1. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am afraid it is deeper than that. Lately I tend to think that the whole Western civilization probably went through socialist/fascist illness during the 20th century, just the degree of getting sick differed...

                1. ledefensetech profile image79
                  ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Progressivism.  At least that's what we called it here.  Teddy Roosevelt was the first, but not the last of the Progressive presidents.  Heck Obama is one of those.  Look at how admiring people like Churchill and FDR were of Mussolini, at least in the beginning.

                  @Texan, interestingly enough, I'm making tacos tonight.  Heck I might have some GTT's seeing as my dad's grandmother and her family was from Alabama.  I wonder how many people know what a GTT is?  Lot of history there.

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What are GTT's? I have some family in Mobile Alabama, them boys ain't right!

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                Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                But ALL countries are seeing increases in BOTH immigration and emmigration. It is simply globalisation, which has brought about natural multi-culturalism. If America wants to lead the global corporate world, by sticking a McDonalds in every city, then they can expect people to be attracted to their culture.

                People from the UK want to live in NZ, US, CA and AUS.

                People from the US want to live in NZ, CA, AUS and UK

                People from CA want to live in.... well, they mostly want to live in canada.

                There are tonnes of people from AUS and NZ in the UK.


                I doubt that there is too much difference in all of those places, with the exception of some pretty awful weather in the UK and in Canadian winters..... Its the same old "the grass is greener" thing.

                We had an influx of Polish a few years ago, hundreds of thousands of them. They all want to go home now. Countries like the UK and the US market themselves to attract tourism. If they project an image aimed at attracting people, then they will attract people.

                I even saw an advert on British Television the other day, it was Arnie telling ME to MOVE to CALIFORNIA. I was actually being told to move to California. Why? I have no idea. But I will pass on that.

                1. livelonger profile image88
                  livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I lived overseas for a total of 4 years (3 countries) and loved the experience. I'm happy to be back home but will always treasure that experience in different parts of the world.

                  About the Arnie ad: I know he made a bunch of ads trying to get non-Californian companies to move their operations to California. No offense to you at all, but he was probably courting businesses. smile

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                  Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ledefensetech: Didn't ask a question, just attempted to respond to an aspect of your reply smile

                  1. ledefensetech profile image79
                    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, but how many people are really screaming to get into the Democratic Republic of Congo or Saudi Arabia, or Bangladesh?  The reason we see people wanting to come to the West is because of our tradition of liberty.

                    I have to laugh a little when I hear about how racist people are in the States.  We don't have racism here like you see between the animists and Muslims in Africa or the different groups in Mexico.  Heck some members of my mom's family will have nothing to do with other members because they're too mestizo.  That is real racism. 

                    So long as a society doesn't impose impediments to social mobility based on race, culture or something like that, race doesn't matter.

        4. dutchman1951 profile image60
          dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If our education system is that bad? The why do muslums accept offers from American colleges to give them a free ride for 4 years?

          Then waste the Degree, building Bombs when they go home?

          The very system you Insult, makes it possible for your Brothers and Sisters to have a very good life, off the backs of american tax payers. Your people arent to proud to say yes. Or to decent to say, no I can pay, give it to the needy.

          King Fad's family, The Syrian Presidents family also. And Others. So much for Humanity! hey?


          And from what I have seen, very few of them used it for world good? Or any common good for that matter?


          Ala blesses them, who helps themselves before others, right?

          1. livelonger profile image88
            livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Do you really believe anything other than a very small minority of Muslim foreign students become terrorists?

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Who wants to take the chance?

            2. dutchman1951 profile image60
              dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Very few do, even less then the small percentage you reference. If they are involved at all. Maybe less than 1% in truth. I was mad at the statements.

              That said I have never seen any of those people I befriended at school use the position and power they held by birth, and the degree they gained to unite countries, knock down the problems build bridges, to treaties and peace. Just grab the degree and thats it.

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                dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this
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                  dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this
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                Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                And tell me, did you use your degree to "unite countries, knock down the problems build bridges, to treaties and peace?". Not many people get that opportunity, most will end up working in an office for $30,000 a day.

                Have you decided not to respond to my last post? It was specifically spoken to you.

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  30,000 a day? Where do I apply?

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                    Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Abu Dhabi wink

                2. dutchman1951 profile image60
                  dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  as a matter of fact, yes, I did!

                  17 years traveled in 3rd world countries for the world bank funding and developing projects for Hydro dams, factories for people to work in, funding aid in times of Genocide.

                  Treated for yellow fever and disintary while helping. Helped to Build a small communication system in West Africa

                  By the way...I did not see you there? Did we miss your contibution to aid and assist?

                  Or Maybe you showed up with the Al-Kedia group to do some demolition projects, I am sorry I missed that performance by your brothers and sisters? I heard it was killer though!

                  1. dutchman1951 profile image60
                    dutchman1951posted 7 years ago in reply to this
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            Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Could it be that you have assumed that I am a muslim from a deprived background, purely on the basis that I object to racism?

            I have no "brothers and sisters", but if you are referring to my heritage..... I think that you will find many of my so called "brothers and sisters" moved to America centuries ago. Whilst I am happy living in the country of my birth, which in case you didnt know is England.

            I can safely say that I have never cost the American taxpayer a single penny. To the contrary, I have travelled to America and spent much of my hard earned pound stirling in their shops, restaurants, and casinos.

            Any other assumptions that you wish to make about me?

        5. nicomp profile image59
          nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I would love to see you banned for this. Nothing would please me more tonight.

          Come back and visit when your child puts his life on the line for your country.

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            Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Please explain how one can be offended my comment? This board is rotten to the core with racism. If I were to be banned for this comment, over people that are expressing hatred for an entire religion of 1.5bn people, then that would be a sad day nicomp. Religious extremism goes two ways. I cannot see why I should get banned for defending Muslims against a tirade of hatred and vitriol.

            1. nicomp profile image59
              nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How sad. You are really reaching. Don't you have anything better to do than set up strawman arguments and attack the mother of a patriot? Perhaps where you live the military is less respected. We understand the sacrifices they make and we respect their service. We honor their families, at least to the extent that we don't cobble up inane arguments for the sake of attacking them.

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                Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                QUOTE: "If its racist I don't care, I hate Muslims, all Muslims!" (A Texan)

                Are you seriously condoning this sort of attitude? Seriously? Tell me now that you agree with this sort of statement, and I will happily ban myself.

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Its not his place to condone what I think! This isn't Britain where Multiculturalism has damned your Country! I have freedom of Speech, my speech is my own, get over it!

                  1. nicomp profile image59
                    nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't think he understands that "Muslim" refers to a religion not a race. Racism is not possible.

                2. nicomp profile image59
                  nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Please ban yourself. Make me happy tonight.

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                Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I hope that her son does not have such ignorant views of the Muslim people that he is supposed to be protecting. Other than that, I have the greatest respect for those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also believe in certain aspects of the cause, but that does not mean that I should condone racism in any form.

                1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
                  Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't be dragging my son into this,...For your knowledge almost ALL the care packages I sent with food for him to eat,...He gave to the local villiages who children were starving !!!!! Never thinking twice about his hungry belly. I am NOT A FRICKIN RACIST !!!! I am stating a fact that our American ways is changing to makes the Muslim community happier !!!

                  1. nicomp profile image59
                    nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    <snipped - no personal attacks in the Forums> Please accept my respect and gratitude for the service of your son and for your sacrifice.

                  2. ledefensetech profile image79
                    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Just wait AIM, 2010 is going to come as a shock to certain people, I think.  How is your son?  I know they gave that stupid order not to shoot, how are our boys and girls holding up?  Hopefully we'll have them all back soon.

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                    Ryan Kettposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes your country is changing its ways to make the muslim community happier, it is getting itself into trillions of dollars of debt in the process. Just because your son is in the US military, does not mean that I must agree with the reasons and motives for war. I did not bring your son into this, you brought you son into this; as you had already mentioned his name and chose a username to reflect this. I wish your son the best of luck, and he sounds like a very caring guy.

              3. sunforged profile image71
                sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                We have lots of friends and family in the military too, but we are realists, an 18 year old kid has no conception of sacrifice when they sign up..we wonder why they didnt do better in school and why they were so easily fooled by recruiters...when they start joining the military without accepting sign on bonuses, college assistance and pay grades, then we can talk about sacrifice...Just another job, one of the few that offers on the job training and doesnt judge you based on your SAT's

                1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
                  Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Well my 18 year old knew what he was getting into, for one his Great Grandfather served in WW2,(And was forever disfigured because of the war) and second, that bonus pay is crap, considering its your life on the line. Perhaps you will understand better when you grow up.

                  1. sunforged profile image71
                    sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Your quite mistaken, i would be ashamed to say that a family member of mine risked their life because our grandfather was in ww2 or Korea, shows a serious lack of thinking.

                    My grandfather was in Korea, he was drafted, as was probably the Great Grandfather you reference, compulsory attendance does not involve nobility.

                    What sacrifice was made to take this job, was a great scholarship turned down, a promising career path, a position in professional sports, etc.

                    Or was the choice the army or community college?

                    the actions of soldiers are many times very noble, giving away his care package to the locals is quite noble and he sounds like a great person, I dont want you to feel as if Im directing any disagreement towards his possible character

                    But I am quite vocal in disagreeing with the foolish platitude that joining the army is noble. I probably have more friends and family members in the service than you can imagine, I am of the age where many of my high school friends enlisted after 9/11, the majority of them were opportunists and those with limited to no other opportunities, they were and are not noble, they are mercenaries

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you still here?

        6. egiv profile image76
          egivposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well said.

      2. loveofnight profile image81
        loveofnightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        if you take a walk back to the 70s and 80s  americans were not only wearing the flag but burning it as well.people use different methods to make statements.it seems as if people look for things to create more confusion than it's worth.don't give negative things power.

  3. mcbean profile image82
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    Maybe, just maybe, a brave soul was trying to show that it is possible to be Muslim and American in "the land of the free".

    Amazingly, all Muslims are not out to get you.This quote sounds particularly terrifying:

    "But I will say something it took me my whole adult life to come to: America is not perfect, but I want to tell the truth: It is one of the best places in the world to live."

  4. livelonger profile image88
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    Does this offend you too?

    http://rlv.zcache.com/mens_american_flag_t_shirt-p235179003625399232trx1_400.jpg

    1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
      Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No,...Im proud to wear a shirt with a PITURE of the flag on it.

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Don't see any problem with both, and what is piture btw? wink

        1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
          Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Typo,..My bad, Picture,...

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I know. Just teasing smile

      2. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Got it.

        http://www.nocaptionneeded.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/palin-wrapped-in-the-flag.png

        1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
          Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It's just not wearing the flag,..its that they had open prayer, using their religion, however my child isn't allowed to say the pledge of ALLEGIANCE in school anymore, because it goes against muslim's and what they believe.

          1. livelonger profile image88
            livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That's quite a rapid change in your grievance, isn't it? It's not "BS" when Caribou Barbie wears a flag?

            I took a look at the delusional rant in the MySpace blog you linked to. "Muslims GAIN MORE RIGHTS THAN I HAVE AS AN AMERICAN BORN CITIZEN" Um, what rights would those be?

            Your child isn't allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school for fear of offending Muslim students? Where does your child go to school, a Saudi madrassa?

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              He-he. She's quite hot, you can't deny it smile

              1. livelonger profile image88
                livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Of course I wouldn't. Her looks were central to her selection (and her lasting popularity).

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Obviously his teleprompter reads went better with American populace. I personally am not sure what I like better - reads or looks. Either seems a bit stupid to put your future on. smile

                  1. livelonger profile image88
                    livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    There's that cynicism again. Plenty of people NOT to vote for, but no one TO vote for, right? smile

            2. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
              Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I had no change in what you call grievance,...as for barbie dolls, Im not up to date on what they wear,...My kids goes to a regular public school.

          2. LiamBean profile image87
            LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Take "under god" back out of it and they can.

            1. ledefensetech profile image79
              ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Who are you to decide whether or not my kid can say the pledge of allegiance?

              1. LiamBean profile image87
                LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Whoa! You certainly took that WAY out of context.

                The pledge originally did not have the words "under god" in it. Or didn't you know that?

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              A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Are you serious? Should we remove "their Creator" from the Declaration Of Independence also?

              Are you offended by "Under God" sorry about your luck its there!

              I am not exactly a Holy Roller but Christians have as much right to their beliefs as an atheist, if it offends some well, grow a pair!

              1. LiamBean profile image87
                LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Creator is generic enough. "Under God" was added in 1954. The pledge is and was just fine without it.

                And other people living in this country have different beliefs. We are not simply a Christian nation.

                If you can't accept that an American can have beliefs different than your own maybe it is YOU that needs to "grow a pair."

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You can different beliefs and I am glad you do, but don't expect me to bend to your beliefs.

                  1. LiamBean profile image87
                    LiamBeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    That's funny because the people who insisted on "under god" and "in god we trust" certainly felt that way. Neither was originally there.

          3. Pr0metheus profile image60
            Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            LOL

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
              Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Funny how the discussion changed direction after that was posted smile

              1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
                Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I noticed that too UW lol

              2. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
                Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                It's just not wearing of the flag issue,..It's the fact Obama had open prayer, praying to a Muslim God,...when my childern is forbidden to say a quiet prayer at school to herself before eating her lunch and the kids are nolonger aloud to say the pledge of Allegiance. Also some of us find it a disgrace for them to wear it as  ahead dress, what would happen if a American went to their country and wore short shorts and a tube tank top with our breast clevage showing ??? Also if Obama wanted to share prayers perhaps he should of done so last Sunday to Honor Gold Star Mom's.

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
                  Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Reread the title of this thread and all your posts up to that picture being posted and tell me that had nothing to do with it...

                  and, I just read the article. I believe that was around Ramadan. We had a discussion here then and it was pointed out the Bush did the same thing at the White House when he invited Muslims to celebrate.

                  And one more edit...I thought all believers worshipped the same God. I didn't realize there was more than one...

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You would be beheaded, and this bunch would say "she/he had it coming"

                3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
                  Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  How do you know the woman was not born in the United States?

                  1. Pr0metheus profile image60
                    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    SHOW ME A BIRTH CERTIFICATE (certificate of live birth doesn't count!)

  5. mcbean profile image82
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    What was the idea behind restricting religion at schools?

    Was it possibly not to make outcasts of any minority?

    That sounds like a reasonable policy that applies to all.

    You are not suggesting that Christianity is banned from Schools but Islam is not are you?


    Looks like we don't need schools for Americans to try their best to make outcasts of people.

  6. mcbean profile image82
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    Do an image search for people wearing or being draped in a flag and show me one where it is intended as disrespectful.

    It is universally a sign of love for the country represented by the flag.

    A Muslim loves America! Oh my God! Run for the hills, the invasion has started!

  7. mcbean profile image82
    mcbeanposted 7 years ago

    A Texan:

    I refer to my previous post.

    The individual was not "wiping his ass on the flag" or burning it. These are signs of aggression and probably deserve some of the responses floating around this forum.

    Wearing a flag is a universally accepted sign of affection.

    Mind you, it is probably the proud racists like you roaming around that made the gentleman quoted take all his life to come to the decision America was a great place to live.

    You are lucky the whole world does not stereotype America as fanatical biggots the way you stereotype Muslims as terrorists.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hmmmm, Nope don't care!

      1. mcbean profile image82
        mcbeanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I stand corrected. Your amazingly mature and insightful logic has indeed shown me the truth. I will immediately become a racist for all the valid reasons you have mentioned.

        Sould I join the KKK also or have you moved on from that era?

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/3966976785_acf85d0f45_o.jpg 

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That's a wise thought. smile

      Now, take the next step, and try to see that EVERY country has those seeds in it, just waiting for the right time to grow...

      Yes, respect to country anthem and country flag ARE the seeds of nazism/socialism. They put the state ABOVE the individual. sad

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The "State" screwed up and left that second amendment for all of us to see! Do you really think we would just let our freedoms slip away?

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That's exactly what you are doing for the last 100 years or so smile

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I'm as free as I have always been!

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Didn't you just write something about HOA?

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                A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Did you finish reading it? You will find I was sucessful! FREEDOM!

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  He-he. I think you got my point though. I live in VA. smile

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                    A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I do Misha, understand that I will fight to secure my rights. It may seem an extreme thing but I have been sent to places on this earth to secure freedoms for people who had them taken away. If I didn't mind doing it for them I damn sure don't mind doing it for you!

  9. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
    Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago

    WHAT RELIGION BELIEVES IN PRAYING TO OBAMA?

    OBAMA DELIVER US?

    http://www.gamaliel.org/default.htm

    1. sunforged profile image71
      sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      wtf is that supposed to mean?

      History of the Gamaliel Foundation: The Gamaliel Foundation was originally established in 1968 to support the Contract Buyers League, an African American organization fighting to protect homeowners on Chicago’s Westside who had been discriminated against by banks and saving and loan institutions. In l986, the Foundation was reorganized as an organizing institute providing resources to community leaders in the efforts to build and maintain powerful organizations in low income communities. The Gamaliel Foundation has grown from three to more than forty-five affiliates in seventeen states and in three provinces of South Africa.

      The Name: The first Christians were a threat to the establishment of Israel. The Sanhedrin met to decide the fate of the leaders of the new religion. Some wanted to kill them. But the wise man Gamaliel stood up and said "refrain from these men, for if this work be of men, it will come to naught, but if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it, lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Acts 5: 38, 39. We work in the hope and the confidence that this work is of God. Paul understood himself to be a disciple of Gamaliel. (Acts 22:3) Saul Alinsky made all of his organizers read the letters of Paul because he regarded his namesake to be one of the greatest organizers of all time. The Gamaliel Foundation mentors organizers.


      I have a strong belief that you have no idea what you are reading or referencing

      1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
        Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was posting a link to a video that shows people praying for Obama to deliver them,..How bout Jesus deliving them !!! Perhaps my link didnt post correctly but you can see the video on this link
        http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse … =512255387

        1. sunforged profile image71
          sunforgedposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          that makes your statement make a little more sense, but still doesnt seem very relative to well...anything!

          People pray to rocks, trees, cactuses, virgin mothers and patron saints, people arent really all that swift.

          Does it mean something that some misguided people choose a high profile figure to pray at.

          Then again at least praying to a flesh and blood person gives you a chance of actually being heard, so maybe its not so dumb after all

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "people arent really all that swift."roll

          2. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
            Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It is revelant for the fact no other president had people praying stating deliver us and then adding the presidents name. The church I go to we pray for Jesus to deliver us,..NO ONE ELSE !!!

  10. Len Cannon profile image88
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    americans are desperate for universal health care other nations provide

    job opportunities are better abroad

    more and more american born citizens have family in places like Mexico and South America and choose to rejoin them

    an increased presence of the military overseas has led to servicemen and women looking abroad after their time with the military has ended

    WE HAVE A MUSLIM PRESIDENT AND MUST RUN AWAY

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, thats it!roll

    2. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If only those who thought this did! big_smile

  11. Len Cannon profile image88
    Len Cannonposted 7 years ago

    a texan, you are the greatest troll on hubpages.  This is not an insult.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you very little!

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    And for the love of god its Tex!

  13. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Why are some of you attacking the British now lol

    Now dont be silly and play nice in the sandbox , and please no drama queen behaviour ,leave that on the reality shows.

    Deep breathe exhale now.

    Psst Ryan, If you must bow down , let it be a to a lofter enemy wink in other words dont get banned for pettyness.

    Eat some nuts n raisins trust me , protein for battle lol

  14. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Yes we will have no cyber bullying here thankyou very much! smile

    Dats for 14 yr old brats with cell phones wink

  15. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    :you forgot the hot steamy sex Ryan lol

  16. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Are you free to call a person a racist name?

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yup.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Beam me up Scotty

  17. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    I would say that all freedom has responsibilty and part of that responsible action is knowing when to shut your mouth and when to open it big_smile

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of it comes down to respect for your fellow man.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes and good ole coping skills....

        I worked with pre-schoolers for years and they had to learn although they were free to think and express themselves ,name-calling and offensive language would have zero tolerance....

        Hate is the twin of murder(IMO) ,so bout the only thng I hate is cockroaches to be honest.

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I really don't hate anything or anyone either...except maybe flies...and liver...

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol yep bugs with rotating heads lol
            I read somewhere that centipedes/millipedes are almost the only insects that eat roaches ,so I respect them .


            Sorry now where were we, oh yea headgear

  18. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    You would love to be banned...it would give you months of martyr threads afterwords smile

    1. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I doubt it - It already happened less than a week ago...

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, good job on that one.

        1. Pr0metheus profile image60
          Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey now, I was vouching for you, saying you weren't the martyr type.

          I hadn't read the ToS before that little clash.  I'm well informed now.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Thats fine it was all in a days work.

        2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
          Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry...I didn't notice you were gone big_smile

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            tongue

  19. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Now that aint right !!! but the flag is off her head

    http://www.wildfree.com/Merchant2/graphics/em/2621.jpg

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That ain't wrong! On any level!

      1. Pr0metheus profile image60
        Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this
        1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol actually Ive had a close up and I dont think those puppies are real but hey at least for a moment we quit with the hate word. smile

          1. Pr0metheus profile image60
            Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I HATE FAKE BOOBS

    2. Mrvoodoo profile image62
      Mrvoodooposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hey, she's disrespecting the flag, lynch her! lol

      I'm more than willing to give her a damn good spanking on behalf of all you yanks for such intolerable behavior.

      Can't believe I made it through all 11 pages of that crap, what a freak show, but like the Jerry Springer show, it was certainly entertaining.

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    I'm going to watch sons of anarchy! Try and keep it civil, you know I would.

  21. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    ArmyIM I do hear where your coming from re cultures being respected ,traditions etc.
    In my country we feel just as passionately about our flag too ,but we also are honored if another culture chooses to wear or adorn (respectfully) any precious Icon such as the flag.
    We have a high population of Asians for example who decorate ,hold festivals and build their temples ,when for years pilgrims fought to have the country Christian ,definately not Eastern.
    Absolutely we would not have the freedom to wear and behave in Middle Eastern countries like in our Western Countries.

    But that is exactly why they left those countries , so they could be free....and also why neither of us live in theirs...

    That is the whole point. Let them be free.

    I am sad about religion withdrawn from schools too.
    Did you know that movement began with only one woman who didnt want God in schools. No one even protested ,until it was too late.

    Anyway gnite all , you guys can put Ashley to bed wink

    1. Army Infantry Mom profile image60
      Army Infantry Momposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's an ever growing trend that my rights as a Christian is being stripped away while Obama is giving MORE FREEDOM AND RIGHTS to MUSLIMS

      1. Pr0metheus profile image60
        Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What rights are he stripping away?  Why shouldn't American muslims have the same rights you do?

  22. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Wow.... Don't we all have much to learn about others! hmm

    I come from a place called New Zealand... we were accused of being potentially enemies of the US, on the days after we Refused to Allow US Nucleur Ships into out territory. 

    Those arrogant statements were made by the children of those whom we nursed back to health and provided accomodation for the rest on leave in WW2.

    We all understand the representation of our national flags. We would consider it an honour to have our flag worn by anyone!

    In fact in BumbleTown - NZ, many have their choice of flags tattooed on their butts. It gives them the sense of always having a connection with home and where they 'sit' in society! hmm

    1. Pr0metheus profile image60
      Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      :-D

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Where they sit lol good place that!

      I vote that all Politicians have their Country of Origin tattooed on their butts !!!

      Ohhhh some like Mexico's are quite detailed ouchie lol

  23. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Equal time for everyone. I detect no modicum of disrespect in this, do you?

    http://www.feelingusa.com/img/sm/em/mens_thong_4801.jpg

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He-he. Was it Obama's bush? lol

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image73
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      MM fs lol lol lol  I scrolled up to log off an Mighty Max nearly hit me on the nose !!

      1. jiberish profile image77
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Me Too! lol

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
          Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Was he perhaps saluting lol

  24. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 7 years ago

    Equal time for everyone. I detect no modicum of disrespect in this, do you?

    http://www.feelingusa.com/img/sm/em/mens_thong_4801.jpg

  25. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Should this thread not be in the Religious Forum? hmm

    Did George W Do it better? hmm

    1. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I am asking myself the same question neutral

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
        Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You need to read back a few pages and not just a couple of posts wink

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I actually read it from the start, and participated from the middle tongue

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image73
            Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Then you already knew it wasnt only about religion.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah, but the more we move forward, the more it becomes obvious that the original intention was religious. smile

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          mikey9923posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          In the end does it really truly matter..If you want to praise God or allah.. we live in a free country. And in the end will see who was the right being to praise

  26. sunforged profile image71
    sunforgedposted 7 years ago

    show one example of your Rights as a christian being stripped away, and stop repeating that BS about school prayer, your child can make a silent prayer anytime she feels like.

    Give a real example

    1. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't hold your breath! You might get irrelevant ALL CAPS responses with links to idiotic websites as "proof".

  27. Eaglekiwi profile image73
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    It is not Obama who changed attitudes AIM, (as you see in this forum)

    For evil to suceed , all it takes is for good people to do nothing

  28. Pearldiver profile image87
    Pearldiverposted 7 years ago

    Lost The Plot .... This thread is LTD'd

    Amazing what a bag of lollies does to girls! lol

 
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