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Palin "catastrophic" to the GOP's chances in 2012

  1. livelonger profile image88
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    Steve Schmidt, former campaign strategist for John McCain, said that picking Sarah Palin for the Republicans' 2012 presidential nominee would lead to a catastrophic loss.

    Thoughts?

    1. nicomp profile image60
      nicompposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The campaign manager for McCain? How'd that work out?

      1. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Decidedly worse when Palin joined the ticket.

        1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
          Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You think mcain would have done better without Palin? Not hardly and as far as catastrophic events go  mcains people would certainly recognize one.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      hmm

      if you had asked me that a year ago, i would have agreed with you.

      but she is an opportunist, and she probably feels like this time around she would have an excellent shot at it. she won't go away, and is already popping up all over the place. i think she is laying the groundwork now for her stunning *coff* comeback wink

      1. Daniel Carter profile image92
        Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, cosette. Opportunist and savvy about it. "Popping up all over the place" might be better stated as "pimping all over the place." Notice that the entertainment rags are now pitting Levi and Todd against each other for "best bod." Now that may not be Sarah's fine work, but you can count your Moose and geese she's going to "opportun-ize" this one, too. That's pimping at its best, I think.

    3. Deborah-Lynn profile image81
      Deborah-Lynnposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Without giving any thought to party campaign lines, I would pick Sara Palin above Hillary a thousand times over,  she doesn't try to be what she is not, which means she's less likely to get our country in over it's head...we just can't take any more of that!  Also, she has a down home grass roots approach just because of her personality and environmental influences...look to how a person is made, before your hear what they are saying...often in politics they are being told what to say publically so you have to reach in to see the person or you'll never know what is them and what is just politics

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      Johhnyquestposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It would be a disaster. She's not even in power right now. I know republicans who voted for Obama because of Palin being on the McCain's ticket.
      Wouldn't Condalisa Rice be a better choice for a female president?

    5. fishskinfreak2008 profile image30
      fishskinfreak2008posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ABSOLUTELY agree. Palin is only suitable for SNL and "The Late Show" and NOTHING ELSE. She is CERTAINLY NOT qualified to be president

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      C.J. Wrightposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      She is giving the impression that running is definitely a possibility. Schmidt's comments are not smart. She could represent a catastrophic loss for the Republican Party if she ran as an Independent as well. 
      Keep in mind....what else can a failed stategist say? Can he say, MaCain lost because of my poor advise?  Can he say, McCain didn't have a chance, but I took the job anyway? One has to wonder if Schmidt approached Palin about running her campaign and was turned down.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That guy hates her anyways, so his opinion doesn't mean anything. Anyways, I think she is leaning towards getting swing votes.

    8. AdsenseStrategies profile image71
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      At least you'll be safe from an attack by Russia through Siberia if she wins smile

    9. Curious Jen profile image61
      Curious Jenposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's hard to say.  She is as dumb as a stump but then again so was Bush Jr.  Bush Jr was just a suit surrounded by the old guard.  That said he, at times, didn't sound as dumb as he really was.  Palin, on the other hand, never sounds bright.

    10. tobey100 profile image60
      tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't kid yourself.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You mean the elephant's real?  Oh Crap!

  2. Below-average Joe profile image60
    Below-average Joeposted 7 years ago

    I don't know if it's true or not, but all I've heard is how she is the New Voice for the GOP, or Next Generation of the GOP, or whatever.  I do not see how.  She may be intelligent and energetic, but that voice.  I know I shouldn't judge by that, but how can anyone take her seriously when she sounds like a character from "Fargo"?

    1. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You can't take anyone seriously who has a regional accent?

      1. Aqua profile image78
        Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Regional accent? From where? Not Alaska.

        1. livelonger profile image88
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think she's originally from Idaho, but I could be wrong.

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            james hoyerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            this is the kind of thinking that creates distrust, i beleave they brought her into the vice president bid, was because she was the govener of alaska, and alaska has a ton of oil under it plus natural gas (tons). And then because she was a washington outsider, and a fresh face, maybe if they had not tootered her so much she might have done a better job. then there is the main steam media, i think if they just reported the news we wopuld have a better America. by the i didn't like shara.

          2. Valerie F profile image61
            Valerie Fposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Idahoans, except for a tendency to pronounce our R's like we're from Alberta, have a very unremarkable, neutral accent. Sarah Palin didn't get the way she pronounces long O's from us!

            Maybe it's a Wasila thing.

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      cosetteposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha!! big_smile

      yah, so troo.... wink

    3. fishtiger58 profile image82
      fishtiger58posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I loved that movie.

      1. Presigo profile image61
        Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I was trying to remember where I had heard that voice, and that was it "Fargo". She does have good energy but I dont see her as I viable presidential candidate. Taker care !

  3. Below-average Joe profile image60
    Below-average Joeposted 7 years ago

    Not that one, apparently.

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    Anything that comes out of the McCain camp is suspicious by definition. For all the media's hatchet job on her, and the mountain if disinformation they have spewed out, I think she has a lot going for her. Not the least of which is that she scares the crap out of some on the left.

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    Well, David Brooks, who is hardly a liberal, actually wrote a column today in the NYT about how the GOP is shooting itself in the foot by pandering to the ugliest fringe elements of its base:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02brooks.html

    I think that Palin is just the latest loudest example of this trend.

    I don't know. It shocked me to see Brooks call that out. He's pretty conservative. But then, I also think that it's easy to underestimate the potential for fascism here. I've thought that all along. You've got big, big money behind little, little minds and lots of terrified enraged people willing to make tons of noise and carry guns while doing it.

    Not a good combo IMO. Depending on how the next couple of years shake out, she could win. I'll be heading for the northern border ASAP if she does.

    1. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You might as well just leave now if that's how you feel.

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        LOL! Don't pout doggie. Somebody will give you biscuit soon!

        1. tksensei profile image62
          tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You don't even have to send a postcard, just go if that's what you want.

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            Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think she was referring to your begging for that biscuit...  You know, what you do throughout the forums.

            1. tksensei profile image62
              tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Please refrain from personal attacks. Thank you.

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    You can move in with me if you have to Pam smile

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      That won't do any good.  Canada will be the first country she invades.

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        OMG, you're right! Well, Sufi said they ahve a spare bed too. smile

        And olives!

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Bring him a bottle of Ouzo and you can stay as long as you want.

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            pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If Sarah Palin wins, I'll bring a case. smile

            1. Aqua profile image78
              Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              bring it or drink it lol! smile

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                pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Both! big_smile

          2. Sufidreamer profile image81
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            We already have Ouzo...A couple of bottles of finest bourbon, on the other hand.

            Mind you, if SP gets in, we may well have half the population of the US coming to stay. We might have to make a couple of extra plates of dolmades smile

            1. Aqua profile image78
              Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That would be a safe bet!

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              pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I'm a good cook. I'll be glad to feed people. smile

              1. Sufidreamer profile image81
                Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Cool - I hear that they make poems about your legendary apple pie smile

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
                  Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I love ouzo...my cousin married a Greek. I can bring some good Canadian rye...if Palin is elected I may just have to come over too smile

                  1. livelonger profile image88
                    livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I think she can see Canada from her house, too. Oh yeah, you're definitely in her crosshairs...and we all know how much she likes to shoot!

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                  pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Well, my best thing is my chili and cornbread, followed by lasagna.

                  I do not use moose meat in any of my cooking, either. big_smile

                  1. Sufidreamer profile image81
                    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this



                    If you can cook me a veggie chili, you are extremely welcome. I have a Kalamata olive tree with your name on! big_smile

                    UW - Canadian Rye is good. You are more than welcome - I have a lot of Greek-Canadian friends, so you will be amongst friends smile

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    I might be taking you up on that come November 6th, 2012!

    No way am I staying in a country run by Lady MacBeth.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      smile Surely the world will come to their senses by then smile

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    Ya think? God I hope so. yikes

  9. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    If Sarah Palin is ever elected would be complaining at town hall meetings.  Just kidding, but I would definitely not vote for her, and I would certainly share that opinion with as many people as I could.

  10. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Other countries would probably cut all ties with America if Palin got in.

    I believe that most democracies find it amazing that she would be offered office. smile

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      All other countries would cut ties with America? 

      That ALONE might be worth voting her in!  lol

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        She is an International joke! You may not care about what the rest of the world thinks of America, but fortunately and for the first time in quite a while, this American President does.
        I realize America supports many countries in the world. You should know it also subverts many countries politics and plunders their resources. smile

  11. jiberish profile image78
    jiberishposted 7 years ago

    Worse things can happen, if someone like Obama can win the Whitehouse, then someone like Palin sure has a chance.

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      pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You mean some low-life top-of-his-class Ivy League Constitutional law scholar?

      Yeah, what's this world coming to?

      Bring on the soccer mom!

      1. jiberish profile image78
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        WAS: Obama’s new green czar, Van Jones, this is a guy who is a self-avowed communist, and he is in the Obama administration.

      2. tksensei profile image62
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Top of his class? Then why can't anyone see his grades?

        1. jiberish profile image78
          jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          TK, I've posted at least 5 answers, but I'm whining.  Good luck with this one, I'm out of here.

          1. tksensei profile image62
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Must be some kind of conspiracy.

  12. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border." --Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

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      pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's even better when you see it though--you know, with the little finger puppet as his head... lol

    2. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Big Diomede, which sits in Russian territory, and Little Diomede, which is part of the United States. At their closest, these two islands are a little less than two and a half miles apart, which means that, on a clear day, you can definitely see one from the other.

  13. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    "I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009

  14. Aqua profile image78
    Aquaposted 7 years ago

    I think S.P. has changed quite a bit since she was plucked from relative obscurity. She's had a taste of fame and fortune and wants more. Just the fact that she quit on the people of Alaska speaks volumes. After all, she had a book to write and sell.

  15. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council

    1. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      New presidents are allotted $100,000 to overhaul the White House residence and the Oval Office, and the Obamas hired Hollywood decorator Michael S. Smith

      1. Aqua profile image78
        Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think you missed the point. smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Noooooooo, reeeeeeeealy?
          Say it ain't so!

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh I loved him in "Men in Black"! smile

  16. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    "We realize that more and more Americans are starting to see the light there and understand the contrast. And we talk a lot about, OK, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday, so from there, the first 100 days, how are we going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars?" --Sarah Palin, suggesting we are at war with Iran, FOX News interview, Nov. 1, 2008

    1. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Obama: I will not raise taxes on the middle-class.

      FACT: The bigest portion of Barack Obama's taxes will be on the middle-class, and will be the largest tax increase in history. See "Obama's Tax Plan".

      Obama: If the Republican nominee agrees to use public financing in the election, then I will do so too.

      FACT: McCain is using public financing, but Obama went back on his word. His excuse "the public financing is broken".

  17. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    "If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media." --Sarah Palin, getting First Amendment rights backwards while suggesting that criticism of her is unconstitutional, radio interview with WMAL-AM, Oct. 31, 2008

    1. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Radical and Socialist Influences:

      Saul Alinsky
      Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour
      Bill Ayers
      Carl Davidson
      Frank Marshall Davis
      Bernardine Dohrn
      John L. McKnight
      Democratic Socialists of America
      Gamaliel Foundation
      New Party
      Socialist Scholars Conference


      Political Allies and Advisors:


      Mazen Asbahi
      David Axelrod
      Joe Biden
      Gregg Craig
      Kenny Gamble
      Minha Husaini
      Jim Johnson
      Marilyn Katz
      Anthony Lake
      Robert Malley
      Raila Odinga
      Alice Palmer
      Eli Pariser
      George Soros
      Cass Sunstein
      Dorothy Tillman
      Joyce Wheeler
      Tim Wheeler

      1. Aqua profile image78
        Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        WOW - way to threadjack.

  18. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    This thread is about Palin...not your hatred of Obama.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But it has provided an answer to the question posed in the other Palin thread.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It was a response to Ron's earlier post.

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        pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What question was that? I'm lost now.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Explaining the SP "phenomenon".  As in how the hell could this happen?

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            pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh! Yes. I see what you mean now. It does answer that question.

    2. Michael Willis profile image76
      Michael Willisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Was about to say the same thing.

  19. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    "I'm very, very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing ... any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that." --Sarah Palin, after an Alaska legislative report found she had broken the state's ethics law and abused her power in the Troopergate scandal, conference call with Alaska reporters, Oct. 12, 2008

    1. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Released Monday, the report says there is no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with the firing. The report was prepared by Timothy Petumenos, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board.

  20. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Joseph McCarthy would love America right now...

    1. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      His heir Michele Bachmann is doing a fine job honoring his legacy up there in nearby Minnesota.

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep! He would feel right at home! smile

    3. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure he'd be pleased to see we won the Cold War.

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    Senator Hillary Clinton made the following statement about John McCain's selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate:

    “We should all be proud of Governor Sarah Palin's historic nomination, and I congratulate her and Senator McCain. While their policies would take America in the wrong direction, Governor Palin will add an important new voice to the debate."

    Obama may be in the white house but it is staffed with all former Clintonites.

    1. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Palin is a bit of a gift that keeps on giving (to the Democrats).

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    pgrundyposted 7 years ago

    No kidding. This is about Palin. You should start your own 'I Hate Obama and his Mother Too' thread.

    That, or get over the fact that your guy lost fair and square.

  23. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Hilary is such a politician big_smile

  24. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Her arrogance is scary as all hell. She is carrying all that religious garbage in to her politics too.

    I live in Australia and know more about American politics than she does.
    How could she stay that ignorant?

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe she is playing the Glen Beck game...

      then again, maybe not big_smile

    2. Aqua profile image78
      Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It's a choice my friend. She *chooses* to remain ignorant on most topics - unless she has something to gain. She's one of those people who just doesn't apply herself.

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      pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But it's not her intelligence that will win her the Presidency. It's her very intolerance and narrowness that will do it. If the economy goes badly south--and I think it will--there will be plenty of bitter, irrational people ready to vote for her.

      I think people dismiss her too quickly.

      1. Aqua profile image78
        Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think there are that many people who actually back her - the ones that do are just super vocal about it. He who shouts the loudest...you know?

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          pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          But when a country goes fascist, it doesn't need a majority to usher it in. It just needs a violent, angry minority willing to do anything to gain power.

          1. Aqua profile image78
            Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            True...unfortunately.  On a brighter note - I hear Panama is nice all year 'round. smile

          2. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Pam, that has a scary ring of truth to it!

    4. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Jeremiah Wright has been a lot of things -- husband, father, author, composer, outspoken minister and spiritual confidant to Sen. Barack Obama.


      Longtime pastor and spiritual mentor of Barack Obama
      Considers the U.S. to be a nation rife with racism and disrimination
      Blames American racism for provoking the 9/11 attacks
      "Islam and Christianity are a whole lot closer than you may realize," he has written. "Islam comes out of Christianity."
      Embraces liberation theology and socialism
      Strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan
      Likens Israel's treatment of Palestinians to South Africa's treatment of blacks during the apartheid era

  25. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/p/r/2/palin-2012-2014-and-a-half.jpg

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      pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  26. Ron Montgomery profile image59
    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago

    http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/q/K/2/palin-abstinence-education.jpg

  27. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Obama is not Wright...

    1. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't bother. She keeps on hijacking every thread to whine about Obama.

      1. Aqua profile image78
        Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It actually says quite a lot. smile

      2. jiberish profile image78
        jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't whine, I was just rebutting the things that were said.  I guess the thread "Paling 'catastrophic'...." only applies if you have something negative to say without Backing anything up.


        Funny how some can dish it out, but can't take it when it's proven incorrect.

        1. livelonger profile image88
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I was quoting Steve Schmidt, or were you too busy coming up with another post lambasting Obama to notice?

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          pgrundyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I guess you aren't reading the actual posts on this thread. I said several times that I think people dismiss Palin too quickly and that she could end up being President in 2012.

          I don't agree with Palin or like her, but I do understand that there is a difference between political analysis and personal attack. Why don't you understand that?

    2. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Palin is not her pastor....

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
        Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I never said she was smile Her own words say all I need to know about her.

        1. Aqua profile image78
          Aquaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          EXACTLY!!! Here, here!!! smile

    3. jiberish profile image78
      jiberishposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Palin is not her pastor....

    4. Mitch Rapp profile image59
      Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes he is and Ayers,Rezko,Jones,Jarret there is no difference.

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    Leta Sposted 7 years ago

    Oh, cool.  So it has a thread of its own.  Yes, of course.

    From The Washington Post:

    Steve Schmidt, John McCain's chief campaign strategist in 2008, said today that a Sarah Palin presidential nomination in 2012 would be “catastrophic” for the GOP. Is this controversial?

    I can’t count the ways in which she is a poor candidate. She’s a terrible strategist, having inexplicably resigned before the end of her first term. She's a capricious handler of her public appearances and the press. She picked a fight with David Letterman, of all people. People give her credit for having a unique brand of political charisma, but she needs prepared texts lest she go off the rails. (Remember her farewell speech as governor? Or the unbelievable one before that announcing her resignation? George W. Bush is a veritable William F. Buckley by comparison.)

    But here's the thing that rankles me most: As David Brooks, Kathleen Parker and others have pointed out, Palin draws strength from a side of the Republican Party that is hostile to, as Michael Gerson put it a few weeks ago, the very idea of ideas. (Her allegiance to that constituency was reconfirmed this week with the news that she pumped out a 400-page memoir in a mere four months. How insulting to those she expects to read the book.) Surely the GOP has more to offer than that. No wonder so many mainstream conservatives have rebuked her.

    But even if you set all that aside, Palin still is undeniably one of the most divisive characters in American politics -- across the political spectrum and within the GOP. When Mike Huckabee won the Iowa caucuses, Republican strategists worried that his Southern-fried populism would split the party if he won the nomination. On that score, Palin is far worse. She would tear the party to pieces.

  29. Mitch Rapp profile image59
    Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago

    I would think Democrats would be thrilled to see Palin on the Republican ticket in 2012. They constantly claim she isn't very smart so she should be an easy defeat for them.

    Researching Joe Schmidt I found that he holds views that are very different than Palin on gay marriage. I think Joe may not be representative of most conservatives.

    1. livelonger profile image88
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Who's Joe Schmidt?

      1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
        Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I meant Steve Schmidt I was doing two things at once.

  30. mkott profile image82
    mkottposted 7 years ago

    As a former Republican and a female there are better choices if you want a women on the Republican ticket.  As a Democrat I would relish her running for President.

    But I would rather have Good choices to choose from.  I do not, and never will vote a straight ticket.  Vote for who is right, not just to tow the party line.

  31. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    I'm not a Palin supporter, but why do her opponents keep referring to her "You can see Russia from Alaska" comment? While it was a moot point in its context, you can actually see part of Russia from Alaska. What about when Obama said there were 57 states in the US?? And he's an ivy league honor graduate?

    I see no great choices for 2012 so far. I like Huckabee on a personal level, and I LOVE his tax plan, but he's just a smidge too far right for me. He's my fave right now, however. I'm sure there will be some candidates we haven't thought of running for the nomination in 2012. It's a ways off!

  32. tony0724 profile image61
    tony0724posted 7 years ago

    Palin will not be the cure for the GOP . However Nancy Pelosi , Harry Reid and Barney Frank are making the GOP a viable alternative. The elections tonight In Virginia and New Jersey are proving It !

  33. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Pailin can never be President of the USA! Do Americans realize how much internationals laughed when they heard about her beliefs?
    Only an American could even consider voting for someone who "Speaks in tongues"! She's not well I tells ya!!
    America is not the world, and some Americans are learning that there is more to the world than the few million people who live in the USA, but I still see major countries and economies left out of American thinking daily and it can be amusing or annoying depending on the circumstances. smile

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Don't judge us by Hubpage "conservatives," Earnest.  Most of them writing on here these days are better termed 'disenfranchised trolls' whom nobody listens to in real life, I'd gather.

      Palin WAS/IS representative for these people.  There would be know way on earth she could win, except as a propped up figurehead of some kind (ooh, kinda how she was picked as McCain's running mate...and that was scary enough).

      1. tksensei profile image62
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why can't you stop personally attacking hubpages members? It's not nice.

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      A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You really think we care what the rest of the world thinks don't you? Let me give you the attention that you seek. lol lol lol lol lol lol

    3. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do YOU realize how little of a shit we give what "internationals" think?

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        A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm pretty sure he thinks Australia is a player in the world.

  34. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    I don't think the GOP would ever give her the nomination. I do worry about her running as an independent, however.

    Earnest, other nations are always laughing at our POTUS. Bush caught it, and so did Clinton and Carter. I've read a couple of articles/opeds in London papers that were making fun of Obama. And the French leaders think BO is a coward. Pretty ironic.

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    Ghost32posted 7 years ago

    Earnest, I do understand that Sarah Palin draws fire from a lot of folks, but I did vote for her (and John McCain) last time and--if she got the nomination in 2012--would most likely do so again.  Gun control is my number one issue, and I'm totally confident she would not contribute toward a national firearms confiscation effort.

    Which, as I seem to recall, has already happened Down Under.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I never really cared in recent years whether is was an issue or not but the way things are going, I see why this has become an issue and if someone wanted to take that away... as peaceable as I am, I would definitely feel better with a gun tucked under my pillow. 

      It's like blue coats, red coats all over again.  I hope not.

    2. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes we have gun registration and controls which by the way are pretty effective. We have big cities and so we have crime. Guns are not an issue here as almost no one wants one. smile

  36. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    Huck is a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment - he's a hunter. Even better - he's a great fisherman, and he plays in a rock band! What's not to love? lol

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      Leta Sposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree.  Personally he seems like a genuinely decent man.  Just that little thing he has with mixing Gov't with religion...

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think that is the biggest problem I have with all presidents and candidates. *shutter*

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Aww-w-w-.  Not a country band?  And here I wanna vote for Toby Keith!  lol

  37. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    No worries, Ghost. They play country, too!

  38. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    Yes, Lita, like I said before, Huck is a little too far right for me. I'm a moderate conservative, or a conservative moderate. lol. But Huck might be my best choice in 2012.

    1. tksensei profile image62
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Given the events of the past week, Huckabee's political career is over.

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    oldenuf2nobetterposted 7 years ago

    The Republicans need to feild a viable candidate.Sarah Palin is not a viable candidate.Our system functions properly when there are two competative political parties hammering out the issues.The Republicans are out of touch,the polls do not lie.Karl Rove style dustructive tactics have damaged the American political system.The Republican party needs to redefine it's base and get back in the game.

  40. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Scary news. Sarah Palin is going to be with an hour of me within the next month. To her credit, she will be appearing at a benefit for a cancer charity. But, thinking of her being so close gives me one of those headaches that Daphne used to get when Lillith was nearby. big_smile

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    Ghost32posted 7 years ago

    Of course Steve Schmidt would have bad things to say about Sarah Palin.  To anyone who's read Going Rogue, that would be a simple case of "consider the source".

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    oldenuf2nobetterposted 7 years ago

    The Republicans need to field a viable candidate.The party lost a lot of voters in the last election,lost a lot of power.They need to redefine themselves and come up with a plan.I've been voting for forty years or so and sometimes for Democrats and sometimes for Republicans.I've seen both parties go to excess and lose their way.This country functions properly when two equally viable parties sit down together and hammer out issues,agree to disagree and compromise when nessesary.I'm not casting aspersions on Sarah Palins character in any way.I just don't see her as a viable candidate.I'm a moderate and I get alarmed when any one party becomes much more powerful than the other.Nominating Sarah Palin would be disastrous for the Republican party and the balance of power in this country.

  43. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    Vote for Mike!

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Just take away his sentence commutation powers. wink

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    oldenuf2nobetterposted 7 years ago

    The Republicans need to field a viable candidate.The party lost a lot of voters in the last election,lost a lot of power.They need to redefine themselves and come up with a plan.I've been voting for forty years or so and sometimes for Democrats and sometimes for Republicans.I've seen both parties go to excess and lose their way.This country functions properly when two equally viable parties sit down together and hammer out issues,agree to disagree and compromise when nessesary.I'm not casting aspersions on Sarah Palins character in any way.I just don't see her as a viable candidate.I'm a moderate and I get alarmed when any one party becomes much more powerful than the other.Nominating Sarah Palin would be disastrous for the Republican party and the balance of power in this country.

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    lyricsingrayposted 7 years ago

    whew I thought that said GOD's chances lol

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Aren't they interchangeable?

  46. Joseph Moschetti profile image59
    Joseph Moschettiposted 7 years ago

    It has become obvious to me in reviewing the posts on the subject of Sarah Palin that there are a multitude of liberals with their heads continually in the "sand". What are you all afraid of? The truth? Is what we have in the White House now, so great. We have a man who came out of the South side of Chicago, surrounded by communists, influenced by political hacks, and educated in foreign countries, who derides his own white grandmother, while ignoring his own ethnicity. He hires a total ignoramus as the White House press spokesman for the reason that he emulates what HE is all about.

    And what is that? I see it as a narcissist egomaniac who had a less than stellar career in both the State Senate of Illinois and a one-third term in the US Senate before he used the race card to get elected by left wing apologists who feel, as does HE, that America is a dirty place that wants to rule the World. If they would open up their eyes they could see that we have added NO new lands to our so called Empire and have given Billions of our taxpayer dollars for the poor and needy throughout the world.

    So what does our President do but travel to every corner of the world and apologize for the America that he "sees" as evil, while bowing to dictators and emperors of other, so called, free countries. He is a joke. Sarah Palin is the first breath of fresh air I have seen since Ronald Reagan.

    I think the left will be shocked to find after the 2010 mid-term election that there are millions of Americans who will rebel at being the forgotten "Middle America", which is real conservatism.

    The only thing I agree with in the thread of posts I have seen, is that there is no real party of the people anymore. As a Republican who has stopped supporting the party, I now look for individuals who can lead the USA out of the mess that both parties have brought us to.

    If Lieberman can win as an Independant maybe that is a direction we can go. However,I really believe the best solution is to work from within the Republican Party to get rid of the so called moderates who just perpetuate the Washington spendthrift ideology. I believe I speak for the real middle American conservatives and that we are the real, albeit, non-vocal, public. I have become vocal and hope that thousands of others will also, so that millions will wake up! I believe they will!

    1. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The Obama "honeymoon" ended pretty much the first quarter of this year, even for those who seemed to be die-hard supporters. That doesn't make Palin an intelligent choice, it only makes her more of a suspect, at least to me. There seem to be too many personal agendas and power motives to really understand who a viable presidential candidate might be in 2012. At least that's my take for now.

    2. Manly Man profile image59
      Manly Manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I also hope Palin gets the nomination with Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity as her running mate.

      1. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Me too!

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          Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm rooting for Sarah, but she won't pick Beck--the opposition would use his status as a recovering alcoholic to smash the ticket, and both (Sarah and Glenn) are savvy enough to know that. 

          Sean might be interesting, though.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I must be hung over.  I just saw a pink elephant and a sentence that refered to Sarah Palin as "savvy".  I'm going back to bed.

  47. MikeNV profile image71
    MikeNVposted 7 years ago

    Obama got elected in Great part not because of Support but due to such disdain for Bush.

    With Obama's current Agenda in full swing and the complete destruction of the United States Economy... Kermit the Frog will be able to run on the Republican Ticket and get elected.

    1. mel22 profile image60
      mel22posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think Yoda's a better choice myself.

  48. tony0724 profile image61
    tony0724posted 7 years ago

    What cracks me up is that the more people knock her , the more popular she becomes

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      She is a very effective fundraiser for Dems.  Total lack of substance.

      1. tony0724 profile image61
        tony0724posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Dems are done next year

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Wouldn't bother me any, but it won't happen.  You have to be FOR something, not simply AGAINST everything.  The righties have lost virtually every idea they used to stand for.  What can they possibly claim to support that can't be refuted by recent experience?

          Smaller government?

          Lower taxes?

          Individual rights?

          They had years of power to show that they really stood for such things and blew it at every opportunity.

          W will be the answer to a trivia question.  Who was the final Republican U.S. president.

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
            IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Wow!  Wonderfully and very well put Ron.  I couldn't agree more.

          2. eovery profile image61
            eoveryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What are they against.  They are against the democrats attempt to socialize the USA.  That is a BIG AGAINST!  EVERYONE, PLEASE WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!  This against everything is just another leftist term and do not look past their nose.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
              Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Send your contribution to Palin today!

    2. europewalker profile image82
      europewalkerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You are right about that! I wish she would just go away.

  49. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    If a fundamentalist like pailin got the top job, within a year there would be no America. smile

    1. tony0724 profile image61
      tony0724posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      We are on our way there now.

  50. kateperez profile image77
    kateperezposted 7 years ago

    Seriously, do you know either of those personally?  What can you truly say about people you don't know?

    I could say you're as dumb as a stump from your comment I'm replying to, but I don't know anything about you.  You may actually be smarter than me, but I'll never know because we will never be close enough for me to truly find out.

    The opinions of others should not be transferred.  If you know, as a fact, that someone is dumb then fine, but what you hear on "The Ed Show" or "Rachel Maddow" is sarcasm and hate speech and does not warrant serious attention. 

    Sorry I started to rant, but it offends those who are truly intelligent to know that someone is insulting someone and calling them dumb because they don't know any better.

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly! I don't believe everything that falls out of Glenn Beck's mouth, either.

 
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