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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   How many radical nuts can this president nominate for important posts and surround himself with? What does that say about his true nature?
   
   http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 … l-radical/

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   Madame Xposted 14 years ago

   Obama said that if you want to know who he is you should look at with whom he surrounds himself

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And now we know...

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   Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

   Is Obama as bad as you are all saying in the forums. I think most of us in the UK have no idea about all of this.

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      tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It is daily becoming harder to avoid that conclusion.

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         Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Helen, he scares me worse than any politician I've known about in my 65 years--in the United States, at least.  And this has been true since long, long before he was elected President.

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            Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Wow this surprises me, because over here he was said to be the best president the US will ever have. He comes across so nice and cosy with his wife and kids. I think I must read up a little on him, as you guys have given me more insight than anything in the news over here. Maybe there is a cover up going on so as not to scare us all. Things looked so good, and I am sad to see so many Americans feeling this way about the person who is running their country.

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               livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               If you haven't noticed, about half of the American population always hates the current guy in office. The politics forums here is just dominated by a lot of people from that group right now.

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                  dejajolieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Couldn't have said it Better myself.... don't believe the Hype!

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Take your own advice and do some reading from legitimate news sources if you want to form an objective opinion about Obama.  Internet forums in general, and this one in particular are attractive to fringe elements who are not representative of our society in general and present a point of view that is far outside of the mainstream.  In fact if you'd like to skip a step to speed things up so you can move on to actual research, just watch the opening 10 minutes of the Glen Beck program on the Fox network to see where these parrots get their squaking points. After your nausea passes you can move on in your quest to form a rational, non-polemical opinion of our president.

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                  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/24988

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                     Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Brilliant as usual.

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Yea! Like you!

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                     Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Squak?

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                        sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Exactly!

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               Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Helen - the forums here are an excellent sampling of how a LOT of Americans feel about Obama. I'd suggest looking around at a few more American political sites too, for a more rounded picture. Try freerepublic.com for one.
               
               The main reason so many are upset is because he doesn't respect our constitution and therefore our freedoms. People really wanted change, but not the change he's giving us.

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                  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Freerepublic is a classic fringe right-wing nutjob site. They don't even represent the Republicans, much less Americans at large.

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                     Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     No it isn't

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                        livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Naturally, it's a matter of opinion. But their opposition to anyone they consider a RINO (anyone to the left of Sarah Palin) indicates they're after ideological purity. Even Sean Hannity, pretty far right himself, said he and everyone else he knows has left the site because of the admins' propensity to ban people who don't toe the Freeper line.

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                  Sara Tonynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  For a more rounded view, you suggest she should check out a fringy rightwingnut website? Yeah, that'll give her an unbiased view!
                  
                  
                  
                  Please. Does everything have to be so extreme from the right? If you don't like the man, fine. But it's absolutely ridiculous to claim the president doesn't respect the constitution.
                  
                  Good Lord. Stop swallowing everything Limbaugh and Beck feed you.

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               archdawposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You are only hearing from sore loosers, the ones that voted against Obama. I voted for him and he is the best thing since slice bread.  So all of you can go and F*** your selves.

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                  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I'd say as much

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                  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  oy!

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               Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Would you feel different if you found out many of the posters against Obama voted for the last George bush TWICE!

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                  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  How would you know?

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               ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               He's a slick politician.  I think his legacy will be much like Nixon's or Carter's.

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                  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Carter wasn't slick. Clinton was, and Obama's legacy is likely to be better than his (at least we'll get health care reform!).

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                     ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Time will tell, won't it?

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                        livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        It will.

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                     ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I do have to ask, why do you persist in thinking you can get something for nothing?

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                        sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Mom and dad never taught libs how to manage money.

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                           livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           You need to be more careful with your assumptions. I'm the son of immigrants who came to this country with absolutely nothing and retired early (very comfortably). I personally have never carried debt (besides my mortgage) in my adult life and live well within my means.
                           
                           My parents, incidentally, were Republicans through the 80s and switched to Democrats when the GOP changed from a keep-the-government-out-of-my-personal-life party to one that intrudes incessantly. They are also put off by the flat-earth, hyperreligious segment that seems to dominate the GOP these days.

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                        livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I tend to favor economists' arguments that, during a recession, when liquidity is tight and lenders reining in lending, that the government has to inject liquidity and encourage economic activity.
                        
                        If he were spending like this during an economic boom, like Bush did, I would definitely take issue with his policies.

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                           Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Now why am I not surprised?

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                           ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Which goes to show you know little about economics.  Real economic prosperity can only come about through savings and investment, not taxation and government waste.  That's why we suffered through a Great Depression that lasted over a decade and a half.
                           
                           We only recovered because of the enforced savings due to the Second World War.  Even if people could spend their money, there would not have been anything to buy until after the war ended.  Saving led to investment, which lead to a boom.
                           
                           Ever hear about Montgomery Ward?  He so believed the "liquidity economists" that he thought the economy was going to collapse after the war because government spending was going to drop.  He went so far as to close stores in order to protect himself from the coming "Second Great Depression".  Oops. 
                           
                           These economists were also the ones that assured us that once the last cord to gold was cut in 1972 that the price of gold would drop to about $10 an ounce from the then current value of $35 an ounce.  Gold shot up to $200 an ounce and has never dropped below that point since.  Oops.
                           
                           With a track record like that, it's a wonder anyone believes these idiots anymore, but there are always the gullible who will I guess.

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                              livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              You seem to understand the basic tenets of classical macroeconomics but are completely missing the boat when it comes to the psychological effect on liquidity. I'm sorry, but you sound more like a politician and less like an economist.
                              
                              When investment exceeds intrinsic value and spending beyond what's recoverable, a bubble is created that has devastating effects on the psychology of both consumers and lenders, making the risk-loving to risk-averse in an abruptly short period. Until lenders feel (yes, feel) that they can extend credit safely, and when consumers feel like they can spend, then the economy is in recession.
                              
                              Look at Japan. Their saving-heavy culture led to a recession that lasted more than a decade. It's clear that a climate that encourages investment but also consumption, and stable credit markets, are critical to a smoothly-running economy.

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                                 ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'm well aware of the madness of crowds in the midst of a bubble, thank you very much.  Tell me, do you know the mechanism that causes bubbles in the first place?

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                                    livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, o wise one, I do. Unrelated to stimulus spending during a recession.

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                                       ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Sure it's related.  Stimulus spending during the inflation phase of the bubble makes it bigger.  Stimulus spending during the bust phase of the bubble makes the recovery take longer.  Do you really know what you think you know?

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                                          livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          Spending during the inflation phase of the bubble is not stimulus - the economy doesn't need stimulating. In this, I'd include ratcheting up spending, both military and non-military, to the tune of about $2 trillion, under George W. Bush.
                                          Stimulus spending after the bust does not prolong the recovery; it makes it shorter.
                                          I'm really wondering at this point if you're just pulling my leg...

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                                             ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             Stimulus spending after the bust makes things shorter eh?  Prove it.
                                             
                                             As for pre-burst spending, it is stimulus.  Why do you think Bush had the Fed push interest rates to almost 0%?  Stimulus.

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               EmpressFelicityposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               We're definitely not getting the real story on Obama from the media here in Britain.  Take his new health policy, for example: I've not come across any British newspaper article or TV news item that says people in the US are going to be made to buy private health insurance - yet that is what his policy entails.

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      starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yeha, pretty bad - he likes to push through and pass in the senant 1600 pages in two days - no way can they have the time to read what all they were passing - no way - but the senant passed it - the sad thing is no one in America really knows what all was in those 1600 pages - the news only noted a few things - so - we have a ton of new laws we are oblivious too at the moment

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      Revive@OwnRiskposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The only time a US president is loved and worshipped is when he's running for office. The US is now very much divided about his approach. Most seem let down, which is odd, really, because he hasn't been in office that long.
      
      I don't agree with a lot of what he is doing, but I think he's doing a lot of damage control from previous administrations, and it's probably better than nothing.

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      Sara Tonynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No, he's fine. Threads like this are started by people on the rightwing side who hate him.
      
      Yet according to the latest poll I saw (yesterday) more people approve of him than disapprove so go figure.

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   tksenseiposted 14 years ago

   One of your fellow subjects once famously said:
   
   
   "The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money"

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      egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "The nation that complacently and fearfully allows its artists and writers to become suspected rather than respected is no longer regarded as a nation possessed with humor in depth."
      
      James Thurber

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      Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thatcher like Bush was an evil snake.  Check her record

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         tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         ...................... evil
         
         
         liberals....................

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   poetlorraineposted 14 years ago

   I actually thought someone would have shot him by now, i think that will happen, and it sounds like lots of people will not be too sad....

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      C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I disagree, people will be sad. The fall out from such an event would be huge! Mass civil unrest, riots, etc. Its the worse thing that can happen!

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      Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Brenda, that is something that we would not want to happen. It would be the worst thing that could happen right now.  Not only would that idiot Biden be President but it would cause a lot of upheaval.
      
      People feel free to criticize Obama and that's normal. It doesn't mean that people who criticize him want him assasinated.

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      Sara Tonynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It would be horrible; absolutely tragic. The hatred coming from the right is scary though. Seriously, the hate and fear-mongering are getting out of control on that side of the fence.
      
      Let's hope people use whatever brains they have and forget about any such act of violence.

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   Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

   Yeah, for rational, non-polemical opinion, you can flush the major american news networks and major american newspapers down the drain and look at your own newspapers.

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   Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

   The fact is Obama is a democrat and he has spoken in the past about redistributive change. Democrats in general believe in a bigger role for government in society, at least they do now a days. Kennedy when he was president believed in the free market system. He was a tax cutter and believed government should have a smaller footprint in society.
   
   Obama seems like a nice man, and I'm sure he believes that his policies will be good for America. The left though, should not deny that Obama wants government to take a greater role. That Obama wants to redistribute wealth from corporations and the wealthy to the poor and even from the USA to poorer countries.
   
   Many of us did not vote for him, nor do we share his views. Many of us that did vote for him did so because the republicans who were supposed to be fiscally responsible and for smaller government strayed from this philosophy.
   
   Personally, I believe Obama's policies will be a catastrophe for America. I doubt he will be reelected, but he does have a nice smile.

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   Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

   Actually in many cases it isn't better than nothing, and in some cases he's doing nothing when he should be doing something, like making a decision on Afghanistan!
   
   I would prefer he do nothing on health care and cap and trade. I think we'd be much better off if he did.

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   sooner than laterposted 14 years ago

   US news poll.
   
   http://www.usnews.com/polls/how-would-y … sults.html

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      livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's an online poll. Probably "Freeped."

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         sooner than laterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         No, thats a tactic used by msnbc. Owned by the libs, controlled by the libs. what you see is not what you get.

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            livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Freeping is a tactic that the Freepers are proud of. And regardless, online polls are meaningless - they completely depend on who knows about and decides to cast their vote.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

    I think when he's done, his presidency will be just like Carter's, IE high interest rates, high unemployment, and high inflation!

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       starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       yep .. you said it right

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    garynewposted 14 years ago

    How many nuts can he surround himself with?  Sounds like the kid asking the owl how many licks it takes to finish a lollipop.  As many as it takes to ramrod his nutbar agenda down the American people's collective throats?  Just a wild guess.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    You do realise Bush never supported socialism right?
    
    Socialism was the end of a dream that a much misinterpreted author once had.  Utopia, a society where people get along within their borders and are self-supporting.  The capital based globalized state we now live in is full of hypocrisy left right and centre.  Obama is not a socialist.  Bush was not a freedom fighter.  China is not communist.  Power serves itself and will use any sort of lingo to melt its citizens into conformity.  Leaders will lead, like a farmer tends his stock.  We are the stock of wealthy farmers.  America is broke but that doesn't matter, you don't need money to succeed in politics.  I am sick of being bothered.  What are my options?  Fight evil?  No chance.  No chance of winning.  Let it be.  We now live in a global nation.  There will be a war of wars again and there is nothing that any of us can do about it.

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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          Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          people like me?  Tell me how you figure that one.

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    rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

    Helen, you seem to be a smarter woman than to believe that the majority of Americans believe what is written in HP political forums????
    
    if you want to find out more about him, check out his own website or politifact.com which keeps tabs of political fact/fiction/frenzy.

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    Right politics IS liberal politics.  Do you even understand the concept of liberty?  Forced health care? So what.  Heck, maybe he might give some a cheque if they fall under the poverty line? Heaven forbid he takes from the rich.

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       tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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    Bovine Currencyposted 14 years ago

    I don't support Obama, I don't support government.  I am no anarchist either but I am not conspiracy theorist.  Obama is probably crooked.  They all are.  Deal with.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    If you really want to read fair and balanced reporting, go to http://www.realclearpolitics.com/. They have the best articles and opeds from the left, the right, and the center. They also have tracking polls.

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