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One World Gov't. Are you ready?

  1. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Here is a 4 min video. You (we) are about to give up our freedom(s).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

    What do you think?

    1. EmpressFelicity profile image83
      EmpressFelicityposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yikes.  Sounds like the thin end of a very large and painful wedge.  And I bet none of this is actually going to benefit Third World countries either.

      Here's a copy of an article going into more detail about the Copenhagen treaty:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … #printMode

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol
      I love this !
      What did you expect ?
      America was founded by Freemasons, and they have been waiting all this years for this time to come.
      Freemasons don't care for U.S.A.
      Their only  goal is power for themselves. And now they're going to get it.
      They've bee waiting for more than 300 years. Do you think they won't succeed? Get Real !

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but which faction of freemasons founded this country and which faction rules it now? They seem quite different to me smile

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          they are only one.  You've been deceived from the start. If you can't see that ...

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Oh no, there are at least two. One black and one white. One important symbol of freemasonry is the black and white checkerboard floor.

            1. tantrum profile image61
              tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Excuse me.
              there are a lot of freemasons all over the world. I can say I'm a freemason. Who could say I'm not ?
              The freemasons you hear about in books, youtube, google etc, are not 'THE'Freemasons. 'THE' Freemasons t don't go in the media, and you wouldn't even imagine who they are!
              But they are only 'ONE'. And they are the ones behind the 'freemasons' faces behind the New World Order.
              And they are the ones that founded your country, wether you like it or not .

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                Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                There is more to it than that. I'm not trying to convince you - think what you like. But there is most definitely more than one faction, and they're not at peace with each other.

              2. sooner than later profile image59
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Unless you are a 33rd degree mason Tantrum- I don't think you get the big picture. Then if you were that high, which you never could be(gender), you would realize that even masonry is a small portion of an even larger society.

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                  Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  That's accurate

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Well that's waht I'm saying isn't it. It's something else
                    And about the 33 degree. Don't make me laugh lol
                    If you know about it , of course it's not the real thing. do you think they're stupid ? lol

          2. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            @ sooner

            This is what I've been saying that nobody believes
            If that is nothing .....

            1. sooner than later profile image59
              sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              not news to me.
              now that I see you did try to make a point.

      2. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        @texan
        My point

    3. skylinerj34 profile image60
      skylinerj34posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are we like children in America who believes whatever daddy says?
      Seriously?

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Monckton is a pompous right wing extremist Thatcherite ideologue. Predictably although he has no scientific training he bloviates against the scientific evidence of global climate change.

  2. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image60
    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago

    If the present United Nations Organisation gives up its
         partiality,
    if the member countries honour the UN charter,
    If there is no discrimination against some countries,
    if some countries gives up calling themselves "developed",
    if some countries are not branded as "developing" 
         and "underdeveloped",
    if every country honour the existence of other countries,
         the present world itself will be like one country- one 
         world with UNO as its government. Will that dream come
         true?

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    It's not a "dream" - more like a nightmare. America is where she is because of the goodness and hard work of it's people, and in spite of the loonies who run things on occasion. If other countries got their act together they would have what America has. And at the root of what America has is self respect that comes from acknowledging the inalienable rights of every human being.

    We don't need a "world government" to have that.

    1. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image60
      VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      One world government will be better without America which boasts for anything and everything they have naturally.

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        Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Really? That's gratitude for ya! Fine with me! Let the rest of the globe form a government and leave us out of it! I'm tired of sending my hard earned money to an ungrateful globe!

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          poetlorraineposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          what

        2. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Excuse Poppa Blues but the USA has a massive debt, more debt than any other economy.  Would you care to explain what money you have sent around the globe?

          1. Pr0metheus profile image61
            Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It's in the form of bullets, missiles and bombs... DUH

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ok, we won't join and the rest of you can fend for yourselves. You won't last five minutes.

        1. Universal Laws profile image84
          Universal Lawsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Lets have a bit of truth here, the US like the UK have looted and destroyed the resources of the third world countries for decades, they never needed us (UK) or you the US and would have been better off without either of us. Take responsibility for what they have done in your name.  If you think the US is "civilised" then you have believed your own propaganda, nobody else believes it.  You have the most corrupt and lying government to every be in power.  Check out the disclosure movement - 400 strong and gathering momentum.  Your money has been going to block ops not 3rd world countries. You, like the UK, have been bankrupt for decades and only survive on false economy and figures. Start to blow holes in your own illusory bubble.

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            Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah! You guys (the UK) and the rest of Europe didn't need us when Hitler was over running your continent... eah nothing the USA ever did was any good for anybody!

            That's precisely the attitude we have to put up with here. Our consumption alone is raising the living standards of millions of people in China, India, Malaysia, Thailand and around the globe. Are people being exploited? Of course! But you can't lay the blame for that on the doorstep of the USA! Look at Cuba, we haven't done business with them for 40 years and that country is a mess! Is that our fault too? Is Darfur our fault? Saudi Arabia? Russia? Pulease!

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            America is the last and only beacon of freedom in the world - and we're trying to hold on to that with our last dying breath here - in spite of European interference all the way back from the 1840's. England couldn't get "the colonies" back through war, so they attacked from within and we've been trying to fight them off ever since. You think it's Americans who interfere in third world, and every other economy? Think again. And read some history.

            1. Universal Laws profile image84
              Universal Lawsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I dont think you read what I said - I included UK in this destruction and exploitation of 3rd world countries and I believe its you that needs to read up on the real history.  UK, our crown and the parts of the illuminatti that are English still run your country with your governments - they are in it together.  You have housed the NAZI scientists and used their knowledge since WW2, you transported them out of Germany to your own country and they are running the black ops space programmes and advanced energy processes for you. Wake Up, its time to smell your own manure heap.  I certainly am aware of the manure heap from the British.  Its not right, never has been but its the truth, the US and the UK have everything to answer for - so called developed world came through UK and US and what a mess. Please dont comment again if you have not read my reply

              1. sooner than later profile image59
                sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You do have a point. this country was founded on a government and morals that I think anybody would want to fight for. But the fact that we were tainted(unknowingly) by infiltration of the illuminati and its subsidaries like the free masons makes the trip a little harder to recognize. Many still think we are fighting for all the right reasons, while the strings of the puppeteres are yanked and loosed.

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            A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            roll lol yikes

          4. Bovine Currency profile image60
            Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Very nice, i like your thinking.

      3. tksensei profile image59
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        It better be. And don't come bitching to us when y'all start killing each other.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago

    This is very scary!

  5. Jonathan Janco profile image80
    Jonathan Jancoposted 7 years ago

    Actually, we've pretty much had a World Government for quite sometime. The WTO, World Bank, IMF and the Fed are all privately owned, unaccountable institutions of tyranny that most sovereign nations do not have the resources to counter. Plus, they have the world economy in a stranglehold.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yea I agree , which makes the full transition all that more unnoticable.

      I guess its inevitable.

  6. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    From the North American Union to a transnational world "government" on a scale the world has never before seen.

    When do you suppose our elected officials plan to clue us in on all this bull shit?

    I wonder if they actually think they can get away with it?

    I believe it's time for a Bloodless Revolution.

  7. Ivorwen profile image84
    Ivorwenposted 7 years ago

    Couldn't agree more with you, Poppa.

  8. Flightkeeper profile image79
    Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago

    I wish they would kick us out.  Let them deal with all their headaches.  Besides we can't afford to give any more money out.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    A wonderful relationship; like drug pushers/junkies. One without the other is a painful thing to see.

  10. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    ohh, all work of the devil btw.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol Sure ! lol

  11. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 7 years ago

    @ madame x
    that's what they want you to believe !
    I'm not saying anything more.
    You will see I'm right .But by then it will be too late.
    and you know why ?. Because it's meant to be. And nothing can go against this Power

    1. sooner than later profile image59
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Funny that it is predicted in the bible. end times.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        So is just about any nasty thing you can imagine. Take your pick! smile

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This power???

      http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2470/3965809003_a594c26655_o.gif

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        the one who laughs last, laughs best lol

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          Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You think it's funny ? smile

          1. tantrum profile image61
            tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think you're funny !
            so short minded

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              Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Can't make your point?

              1. tantrum profile image61
                tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I've made my point
                Maybe you need a guide book ? big_smile

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                  A Texanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Whats your point?

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't you know how to read?
                    My point is in 5 words:
                    Why can't you get real ?
                    It's so difficult ?

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                  Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Since you've now resorted to rudeness and insults it somehow occurred to my "short mind" that you can't back up what you're saying.

                  1. tantrum profile image61
                    tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Insults ?
                    Sorry then. If you can't take the  'short mind' thing.
                    I'm realy sorry!
                    I'm backing up  what I'm saying,saying what I know about freemasons.
                    As I said before, I'm not going to say anything else.
                    Believe it or not. It's your choice, not mine
                    I've made my choice already ! lol
                    Enjoy your life !

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    A Texanposted 7 years ago

    Harry S. Truman was a 33 degree Mason, he was also the 33rd President! Weird!!!

  13. UPStar profile image59
    UPStarposted 7 years ago

    Whats scary to me is people hear this and dont get it or care.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think its because the average joe lunchbox is powerless to do anything (except talk about it)

  14. rhamson profile image76
    rhamsonposted 7 years ago

    I actually heard about this scenario from the Clinton day's and the NAFTA negotiations.  Bush had some dealings with it as well with blending of the borders controversy.

    I really want to see what happens when it gets in front of congress and the supreme court.  That is when the real stuff will hit the fan.

    Wait a minute isn't that why we have these fail safes in place?

    Oh I forgot the Obama troops are going to come and take me away.

    You guys occupy yourself with some mindless dribble sometimes.

    It's good to know alarmist tactics are alive and well in America.

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Obama has his own troops now?

      1. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        He's going to have to, to overturn our Constitution.  Have you read it lately?

        1. Flightkeeper profile image79
          Flightkeeperposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well that's okay, he thinks the Constitution is a bunch of negative rights anyway.  Things that the government can't do. He can't wait to rewrite it.

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If he can get it by congress and the supreme court he must be the anti christ I have heard about.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, every commander-in-chief does. His personal, per se, no, but he does occupy the pinnacle of command in the Armed Forces.

    2. sooner than later profile image59
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry, but I live in a city with the Canamex Highway being constructed through NOW- as you type your sceptacism. Furthermore my Mexican vacation home is tooooooo close to the new port that the US is building for Mexico. Tell me our borders arent coming down.

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      Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      On both sides of the aisle, unfortunately.

      1. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Quite right!

  15. gusripper profile image60
    gusripperposted 7 years ago

    Why ?Is anybody believes that the countries have seperate goverments and that they dont give explenations every day to the BIG BROTHER?Which is change every 100 yrs.

  16. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Well for one, many of us knew this was an agenda longer than members of these satanic societies because of prophecy and because we see the changes happening before our eyes.

    who has the laugh in the end. I suggest it is not the infiltrator. no matter how small your part.

    just makes me excited.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Hmm, sounds like echoes from the last Administration's detractors, and the ones before that, rinse, lather, repeat.

    1. sooner than later profile image59
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Buckle up and enjoy your ride. Even you will be surprised by the new loops ahead.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nothing very much surprises me anymore.

  18. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    So Tantrum, what is your involvement in masonry? do you participate in parades and makeshift charity efforts, or do you like to partake in the amature acting involved? smile

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Oh!, Is that masonry ? I see.... I pass

      1. sooner than later profile image59
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        thought so. Stop pretending you know all the dirty secrets. I know more than you.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol
          what dirty secrets ? lol

          Yes it seems you know more than me.
          About foolishness lol

  19. tksensei profile image59
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    ................ roll

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    And now a word from our sponsors.....

    1. sooner than later profile image59
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      haha- that is funny. I know we cannot agree, but humorous never the less.

  21. The Grey Wolf profile image61
    The Grey Wolfposted 7 years ago

    OMG HOW DO WE STOP THIS!!!

    This scares the shit out of me! Call the michigan militia and break out the nukes!!!

  22. profile image0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Lotta things are funny, this is jus one of 'em. ;p

  23. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    indeed.

  24. The Grey Wolf profile image61
    The Grey Wolfposted 7 years ago

    From the halls of montezuma to the shores of tripoli, we are all tools of the conspiricy!

    Why is it that whenever something like this comes out the "eccentrics" with the Illuminati and MJ12 and Free Mason theories all come out of the wood work. No organazation could last as long as they suposedly have with out leaving evidence. That or a really influential immortal at the helm. As they say "The only way for three people to keep a secret is for two to be dead."

    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it HAS to be a tool of the conspiricy.

    Remember kiddies, don't devide by zero...

    1. sooner than later profile image59
      sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ask Tantrum.

    2. Universal Laws profile image84
      Universal Lawsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      When you have watched every brave whistle blower risking their lives to tell the world the truth from www.projectcamelot.org then see whether you are so sarcastic!  Do you dare even take a look!

      1. tksensei profile image59
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Our focus is an investigation into (but is not limited to) the following: extraterrestrial visitation and contact, time travel, mind control, classified advanced technology, free energy, possible coming earth changes, and revealing plans that exist to control the human race."

        roll

        Nuts and fruitcakes for sale!

  25. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    This is getting interesting.  Hey tantrum maybe you could clue us in on the connection between the upper degree freemasons and baphomet?  But then if you are a female (?) it would be the connection between the Order of the Eastern Star and baphomet, though wouldn't it?

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol

      Freemasons and baphomet ! lol

      Chris Angel & Christ
      Obama and Satan
      lol lol lol

      Pleaseee !!

  26. Eaglekiwi profile image72
    Eaglekiwiposted 7 years ago

    Im ready big_smile

  27. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Baphonet is a major part of free masonry, and free masonry is a minor part of something bigger. but just for fun, watch some Walt Disney(33rd degree mason) movies. Notice most characters exhibit Baphonet hand symbols throughout the movies. Little Mermaid, aladin, the list is endless. Then look at your political leaders making Baphonet hand signs throughout history.

    I will bet most don't wave at anyone with the symbol of the goat(devil). You might see it happen at rock concerts, and people think that they are giving some sort of "rock and roll" sign, but most know that it is the sign of the devil. Interesting when you know who controls the music industry. Even more crazy is some lyrics that make it into songs.

    Someone said that it is "strange" that these groups have not exposed themself. Sure they have, time and time again. People have even left the Illuminati and talked about it. Many came up missing. They also expose themselves with symbols and imagery. It is one of mans inner most sinful desires to belong to something secret.

    1. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol Come on !!
      Yes , I forgot !
      rock and roll & the devil
      What has that to do with freemasonry ?

      You're so mixed up !
      lol

      1. sooner than later profile image59
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        stop spinning your chair dizzy t. we are talking about Baphonets hand symbols. smile 

        did you not get enough sleep? you are usually sharper than this.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          maybe you need some sleep !!
          all that google, or new age books, or youtube  videos nonsense about freemasons symbolism !
          You should know better !
          and BTW,I can't care less what you think of me.
          As I don't like the way you think ! lol lol lol

  28. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    easy dizzy T. pinch and pull, those panties are bundling.

    you are making me sleepy. yawn. smile there, you only deserve one smile for getting a little agitated.

  29. Centum Anava profile image60
    Centum Anavaposted 7 years ago

    this crap has been going on for a long time now and many people are still so blind. the people who control the world are the owners of the world's banks and these are privately owned. money is never lost it is merely transferred the internet is a great outlet for this stuff

  30. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Sure it is. There is no light in the subject, so it would be safe to assume that God has nothing to do with it. Then when one learns who is doing what and the indications of the devil are discovered- it becomes really deep.

    I often wondered about conspiracies before I knew Jesus. Now, I know that there is more to things.

  31. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    I read a good comment on a Hub today, "I have read the 'end of the book' and guess what - God wins!" big_smile

    You seem to be on the wrong team tantrum.

    1. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      She has camped in many fields. All on the wrong side of the line. lol
      Although there isa comfort in numbers. Multitudes of them! sad
      Sadly, the call to defect has gone not only unheeded, but been resisted with much malice asnd ridicule. big_smile

      1. tantrum profile image61
        tantrumposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol
        I love camping in many fields ! lol
        luckily they are not your 'fields' nor sooner's!

        if I have to describe both of you, I should say :
        'Short minds, long delusions'

        lol lol
        Enjoy your life ! (if you know how big_smile )

        1. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I do indeed. I'm here on Hubpages, am I not? lol

  32. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Part of the article provided by Empress's link on page one.

    Interviewed by broadcaster Alan Jones on Sydney radio Monday, Lord Monckton said "this is the first time I've ever seen any transnational treaty referring to a new body to be set up under that treaty as a 'government.' But it's the powers that are going to be given to this entirely unelected government that are so frightening." He added: "The sheer ambition of this new world government is enormous right from the start—that's even before it starts accreting powers to itself in the way that these entities inevitably always do."

    aaaahhhhhhh!!!!

  33. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    earnest, 7,000 posts. coming up.

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, and noted. Alan Jones has one of the smallest brains in the country. He is a dishonest commentator in my view and a dishonest person as well.
      Shock Jock!
      The world government cannot happen, too much diversity in thinking. We would have to solve the human condition first. smile

      1. sooner than later profile image59
        sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        thats what is said about many things that get voted through, why is this even going to be on the table is what I want to know. I don't eat turkey dinner with dog poo next to me.

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        Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        More like "dissolve" the human condition...as in a vat of extremely corrosive acid.  "Solving" the human condition implies that said condition is a problem. To me, it's our salvation--not religious salvation, but the only real bulwark resisting the one world government.  I do agree with you, Earnest, that it IS such a bulwark.

        Even so, I'm not terribly comfortable with the idea that the world government "cannot" happen.  "Not bloody likely", that I could buy (with hope in my eye), but far too many former and obvious impossibilities of yesterday are the facts of today for me to ever become complacent.

  34. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Solution.
    All military leaders have to have their lizard brain hooked up to a galvanic probe to diminish fight or flight responses.

    Politicians to have psychological tests for neurosis before appointment.
    All decision makers must have a pre-determined access to an acceptable level of seratonin, and normal response to dopamine.
    Brain waves normal. lol

  35. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Well let's face it tantrum, it was you that brought your freemasons into this conversation about a one world government.


    Most of the world realizes the connection between the higher degree freemasons, the Order of the Eastern Star and baphomet and the dark side.  As far as delusions that you think people have then go ahead, enlighten us tantrum.  The practitioners of kaos magick that try to conjure up baphomet are they higher degree freemasons, members of the order of the eastern star, the cabala, rosicrucians or all of the above?

    It's only characters like you that dred Friday the 13th and you know why. smile

    1. The Grey Wolf profile image61
      The Grey Wolfposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Is that a Templar reference?

      AND I SAY AGAIN...

      The only way for three people to keep a secret is for two to be dead. Gods, this is like beating a dead horse...
      Further, whats wrong with darkness?

      1. tksensei profile image59
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You are beating Benjamin Franklin's dead horse.

  36. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    World government isn't likely. However, stronger international institutions are needed to deal with issues that affect the world or many countries. For example: arms control and reduction, pollution and climate change issues, copyright enforcement, disease epidemics that spread quickly across national boundaries, fishery conservation, international trade issues, offshore tax evasion schemes, increasing piracy at sea due to failed national governments, drug trafficing, and last but not least, international terrorism which will require cooperation among all nations if we are to deal effectively with it.

    We should not let unrealistic fears of "international government" deter us from international cooperation!

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I thoroughly agree, Ralph.  The operative word being "unrealistic", of course.  In fact, the entire debate pretty well boils down to differences of opinion of what constitutes an unrealistic fear of international government and what constitutes a grim yet realistic fear of international government. 

      Fortunately or unfortunately, Maxwell Maltz illustrated that point clearly in his classic book (Psychocybernetics) when he gave the example of a man who encountered a bear while hiking a mountain trail.  Terrified, the man rushed back the way he had come, loudly informing other hikers of the furry black menace lurking just around the next corner.  Undeterred, those hikers kept going...and found that the threatening object was not a bear at all, but a tree stump that simply LOOKED like a bear in the fading evening light.

      Since the first man had kept running, he never learned that, and to this day he believes he nearly lost his life to a real bear.  The point being, the human mind is literally unable to differentiate between an experience that is vividly imagined and one that really happened.  Which makes your point exactly.

      HOWEVER, the reverse could as easily be true.  The first hiker could have passed the shadowy lump sitting beside the trail and thought nothing of it:  "Ah, no big; just a tree stump."  Then the next hikers come along, the tree stump turns out to be a bear, and the bear eats the hikers.  Yet the first hiker, heading on over the ridge on a one way journey, never learns of this...and believes to this day that he had a simple, peaceful, safe stroll from one side of the mountain to the other.

      So:  Would a truly forceful international government turn out to be a cranky, hungry bear (as I firmly believe) or a simple, peaceful tree stump where one might sit and rest while enjoying a sandwich (as you firmly believe)? 

      A neutral third  party might well consider this a valid question.  For my part...I'd just like to stay out of the woods.

  37. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    aka-dj wrote:

    Here is a 4 min video. You (we) are about to give up our freedom(s).
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

    What do you think?

    I think Christopher Monckton is a right wing fraud and a pompous ass.

  38. sooner than later profile image59
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    I read the meat and potato's of the report, and there is reason for concern.

  39. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    Ralph international cooperation can already happen through the United Nations (well not quite all the time cause of the five veto-wielding permanent Security Council member countries).  But anyways we do not need a one world government that steps on the rights of nations for international cooperation.

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The allies, the UN, the free world, democracy, all that blah, sorry to break the news but these are institutions that tread on the world on a daily basis.

      The freedoms of the West are protected by careful maintenance of the balance of power.  Allied forces protect financial interests more than those of suffering.  Where was big Uncle Sam for Cambodia?  Why couldn't Uncle Sam save the genocide in Bosnia?  Why does big Uncle Sam in all his big Uncle, richly moral and Gods favourite son, why??? Why does he not feed the poor?  Uncle Sam doesn't feed his own never mind any other folk.  The United Nations is just another arm of America, America just the puppet face of the few moguls and corporates that control our world.

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree that we don't need a one world government, and I haven't seen anything that makes me worried that we are headed for one. We do need more cooperation to find solutions to problems that cross national boundaries.

  40. Pr0metheus profile image61
    Pr0metheusposted 7 years ago

    Screw making a tier I civilization... I vote for destroying ourselves!

    1. profile image0
      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A popular option!

  41. freedomdebtreview profile image60
    freedomdebtreviewposted 7 years ago

    Will not work.

  42. tksensei profile image59
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    Oh, we don't give enough of our money to others? We don't divide it up the way you want? Maybe we need you to come write the budget so we can sleep at night knowing you like us...


    ...then we can get into all the private donations Americans make. Maybe you can help organize that as well.

    1. Bovine Currency profile image60
      Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What exactly are you trying to suggest here?  I offered you an article stating the massive amount of money being fed into the most ridiculous war of this generation thus far.

      When Cambodia suffered at the hands of Pol Pot, America went to Vietnam.  Sadam may have been a terrible human being and a money hungry dictator with blood on his hands but there are dictators else where. 

      If all you want to contribute to the mass of knowledge that is human intelligence, perhaps raise the bar a little from ego bruised sarcasm and right wing patriotic slander of the figures.  Thats all I'm offering you is an opinion, you don't like it, fine by me.  But, if you want to get hung up about the truth and throw out your hotlinks, I apologise for my assumption that you where open to reasonable discussion.

      1. tksensei profile image59
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm suggesting that it is incredibly presumptuous of you to pass judgement on the US for how much aid we offer to the rest of the world, whether you agree with the Iraq War or not.

        1. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Let me stress this point.  I am not presuming anything.  I do however pass judgement.  I do not judge the US entirely based on its commitment to international aid but I do believe it is a worth contrast of figures to look at the war in the middle east and the aid to sub-saharan africa.  If you do not understand how this is relevant, I cannot think any way of making it more clear and thus we part ways in opinion.

      2. Bovine Currency profile image60
        Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        To take this away from the personal and back to the topic let me add this.  It is not American citizen I have a gripe with.  It is America as a symbol of greed.  The American government is not my issue either.  It is the corporations that run not only America but the UK, Africa, Europe and so on.  I have a great respect for American culture, particularly the great writers.  American people have done a lot of good for the world, yes.  It is the abuse of power which is a problem.  At the end of it all, it wouldn't matter who was at the top.  It has been many nations in the past.  African nations, British, French all the way back to Persia.  Sorry if I offended anyone, I should be more careful with my language.

      3. tksensei profile image59
        tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You've got your timeline mixed up.

        1. Bovine Currency profile image60
          Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh?  I'm starting to think this is not about anything more than tit for tat.  Fine, done.  You win.  If you want do discuss anything further, contact me some other way as I surrender this discussion with you seeing how you only wish to attack my opinion and do so with no apparent intention other than attack for its own sake.  Thanks for the history lesson.

          1. tksensei profile image59
            tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            This was a simple point of fact. Nothing to get offended about.

            1. Bovine Currency profile image60
              Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Just to rub it in a bit tk, Vietnam and Cambodia overlapped for some time, when the worst of the War was happening in Cambodia, America refused to pull troops out of Vietnam, sacrificing lives for a war that would never be won, while Cambodia was sentenced to genocide.

              1. tksensei profile image59
                tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this
                1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                  Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  From your link, http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1959.html,

                  1973:Khmer Rouge troops, under Pol Pot, begin to take over the country, after U.S. soldiers withdraw,

                  http://tc-imc.serve.com/2008/sep/cambod … 000-deaths
                  Cambodia Genocide (Pol Pot)    - 1975-1979 - ,

                  By 1975, the U.S. had withdrawn its troops from Vietnam. Cambodia's government, plagued by corruption and incompetence, also lost its American military support. Taking advantage of the opportunity, Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge army, consisting of teenage peasant guerrillas, marched into Phnom Penh and on April 17 effectively seized control of Cambodia.

                  1. Bovine Currency profile image60
                    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    In short tk, Nixon should have protect Cambodia in the first instance and even after 1975, another 2 million were killed.  My question stands, where were the United States?

  43. tksensei profile image59
    tksenseiposted 7 years ago

    http://newsburglar.com/2008/06/03/inter … ed-states/



    "Private Capital Flows:
    In 2006, the United States initiated $62.3 billion in private capital flows to the developing world. This amounted to one-third of all international private capital flows to developing countries.

    Private capital flows are essentially investments and lending at market terms. As the Hudson Institute report puts it, “it is this capital that creates jobs, raises productivity, transfers skills and technology, and boosts export industries in developing countries—what economists see as the critical factors in creating growth and prosperity.”

    American Private Giving:
    But American international development aid doesn’t consist only of capitalism and governmental donations. Far from it.

    Private and voluntary organizations (PVOs) in the United States gave approximately $10.6 billion to developing countries in 2006.

    Religious Organizations in the United States gave approximately $8.8 Billion to developing countries in 2006.

    Non-profit Foundations in the United States gave approximately $4.0 billion to developing countries in 2006.

    Corporations in the United States gave approximately $5.5 Billion to developing countries in 2006.

    Colleges, Universities and other foundations in the United States gave approximately $3.7 billion to students from developing countries in 2006.

    In the 2006-2007 academic year, 60 percent of international students came from the developing world. Of this group, 61 percent came from Asia, 18 percent from Latin America, 10 percent from Africa, 5 percent from the Middle East, 5 percent from Europe, and less than 1 percent from Oceania

    Volunteers in the United States gave approximately $2.2 billion worth of time in 2006 volunteering for development assistance causes abroad and for international assistance organizations in the U.S. It is estimated that 26.7 percent of Americans volunteered in some capacity in 2006. Among these 61.2 million volunteers, 8.1 billion volunteer hours were dedicated to domestic and international volunteerism."




    "American private and voluntary organizations alone gave more aid to the developing world in 2006 than Germany, the Netherlands, and Sweden each gave in government aid.

    Universities and colleges in the U.S. provide more in scholarships and stipends to the developing world than half of all the developed country donors gave in official assistance individually in 2006

    Remittance outflows from the United States to the developing world totaled $71.5 billion in 2006, or 37 percent of total U.S. economic engagement with developing countries. They exceed any other donor country’s government aid program and are equivalent to 68 percent of total ODA from all developed countries. "

  44. Make  Money profile image74
    Make Moneyposted 7 years ago

    This proposed one world government may have an impact on those countries that have refused to ratify important United Nations resolutions like the banning of land mines or ratifying the International Criminal Court.  The US has not ratified either.  If they were made to then the US would not be allowed to manufacture, sell or use land mines.  And they may be forced to hand over suspected war criminals to stand trial in the Hague (examples - Kissinger, Bush, Cheney and the like).

    1. tksensei profile image59
      tksenseiposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      ............... roll

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Works for me! I wonder why Obama hasn't bothered to join other civilized nations and sign the treaty banning cluster bombs.

  45. Valerie F profile image61
    Valerie Fposted 7 years ago

    I always wondered about people who feel a constant need to criticize the US for our military involvement in other countries.

    If we don't get involved, we're criticized for ignoring the plight of the suffering people and looking out only for our own interests.

    If we do get involved, we're criticized for interfering, bullying other nations, trying act like we're the world police.

    In other words, whatever we do, we can't do anything right.

    1. Make  Money profile image74
      Make Moneyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Actually Valerie it has more to do with what previous US administrations have chosen to take part in and the ones they've avoided.  There has seemed to be underlying reasons for the do's and don'ts.

  46. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    These videos shed some light on the issue of U.S. military involvement in the affairs of other countries which reached a nadir with Bush's mindless preemptive war doctrine justifying the U.S. invasion of Iraq:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t … &uni=1

  47. Lloyd Christmas profile image60
    Lloyd Christmasposted 7 years ago

    This has been coming for an awful long time but i am shocked with how fast it is now proceeding, its frightening and i really fear for my children.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You're referring to global climate change I assume? Or terrorism? Or the proliferation of nuclear weapons? Or increasing piracy at sea? Or violations of copyrights, or failed governments and the lack of effective international institutions to deal with these issues? Or what?

  48. Bovine Currency profile image60
    Bovine Currencyposted 7 years ago

    Even more relevant, I know you like timelines, is the death of civilians in Iraq.  In a month alone the death toll floats around 5000.  Bush killed more Iraqis than Saddam.

  49. garynew profile image60
    garynewposted 7 years ago

    The UN is one very unfunny joke, primarily on the American people.  We are already too close to a one world government, so, no, I refuse to prepare for that awful day.

 
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