The funny thing about this subject is that John Kerry is only richer than John McCain because of who he married. Cindy is only estimated to be worth $100,000,000. That is what they figured based on previous accounting and her not allowing her income to be disclosed in the last election.
I am shocked that there are millionaires in congress. The slime on the hill are there because that is where you get wealthier and more power. Be it a democrat, republican or anything. The system has been in line for a long time to favor this crowd. The dumbest part is that we elected them and ignore the fact sheets on them.
Check this out if you haven't seen it before.
29 members of congress have been accused of spousal abuse. 7 have been arrested for fraud. 19 have been accused of writing bad checks. 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses. 3 have been arrested for assault. 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a credit card. 14 have been arrested for drug related charges. 8 have been arrested for shoplifting. 21 are current defendants in lawsuits. In 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but were released after claiming Congressional Immunity. (from Capital Hill Blue).
It's not so shocking when you see more of the picture.
July 29, 2008: Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, indicted on seven counts of failing to disclose thousands of dollars in services he received from a company that helped renovate his home.
_ Sept. 27, 1993: Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, indicted by a Travis County, Texas, grand jury on three counts of official misconduct while she was Texas state treasurer and two counts of tampering with evidence to impede an investigation. On Jan. 6, 1994, a new indictment accused her of misuse of Treasury employees, using computers for personal and political purposes and altering computer archives. On Feb. 11, 1994, a judge ordered her acquittal after the district attorney refused to present his case until the judge agreed to rule on the admissibility of certain key evidence.
_ April 2, 1993: Sen. David Durenberger, R-Minn., indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington on two criminal charges of conspiring to file fraudulent claims for Senate reimbursement of $3,825 in lodging expenses during 1987 and 1988. The indictment was dismissed. After new charges stemming from a similar indictment, Durenberger pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of converting public funds to his personal use. He was sentenced to one year of probation and a $1,000 fine.
_ Oct. 30, 1980: Sen. Harrison Williams Jr., D-N.J., indicted in the Abscam scandal on charges of corruption, for taking money in return for obtaining a government contract. He was later convicted and sentenced to three years in prison, of which he served 21 months.
Other members of Congress who have been charged with crimes since 2000:
_ Feb. 22, 2008: Rep. Rick Renzi, R-Ariz., indicted on charges of extortion, wire fraud, money laundering and other crimes in an Arizona land swap that authorities say helped him collect hundreds of thousands of dollars in payoffs.
_ June 11, 2007: Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, arrested in a bathroom sex sting at the Minneapolis airport. He pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct. He is now asking a state appeals court to let him withdraw his guilty plea.
_ June 4, 2007: Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., indicted on federal charges of racketeering, soliciting bribes and money laundering in a long-running bribery investigation into business deals he tried to broker in Africa.
_ Jan. 19, 2007: Former Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for trading political favors for gifts and campaign donations from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.
_ March 3, 2006: Former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham, R-Calif., sentenced to eight years and four months in prison. He collected $2.4 million in homes, yachts, antique furnishings and other bribes in a corruption scheme.
_ Oct. 3, 2005: Former Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, charged with felony money laundering and conspiracy in connection with Republican fundraising efforts in 2002. One charge has been dropped and two others are being argued before a state appeals court.
_ Aug. 29, 2003: Rep. William Janklow, R-S.D., charged with felony second-degree manslaughter and three misdemeanors after his car struck and killed a motorcyclist. He was convicted of vehicular homicide and sentenced to 100 days in prison.
_ May 4, 2001: Rep. James Traficant, D-Ohio, indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of tax evasion, bribery, racketeering, conspiracy and obstruction of justice. He was sentenced to eight years in prison after being convicted of racketeering and accepting bribes.
Just adds to my definition of them as "Slime on the Hill"
Maybe so but your list is just as slimy, accusations against elected officials are made all the time and some of them are politically motivated. The case against Stevens was bullshit and cost the Republicans a seat in the senate.
All you are doing is picking at a scab and the deeper you pick the more infection you will find. Good luck defending this group. You don't even understand how you play into it by citing loss of party seats. You my friend unwittingly are a part of the problem.
You are playing into their always underlying argument. And that is the defence of one party or another. It is a pick and choose discussion to slight the other debaters point. While it is not the primary reason when you state your case many try to twist it into this scenario. While I never defended John Kerry's wealth I was maligned for mentioning the other parties failures. I was not drawn into the argument even though I was baited several times.
Really? Do you think John Kerry's wealth needs to be defended? I don't. Your assertion that you were being baited into a discussion about parties is ridiculous, when a person is found to be guilty then they are guilty, not before. The District Attorney of Travis County, Texas is a political hack, I would know but you wouldn't, would you?
All I did was point out the actors involved in different corrupt congressional and state politics. They were indicted and there must have been something suspicious about their role as they had to face the charges levied by a grand jury. As to being exonerated that is something you have to leave up to the justice system getting it right. Remember justice is blind and what walks like a duck and quacks like a duck is a duck.
You added Ted Stevens who was indicted but not found guilty, what is your experience in investigations resulting in indictments? I have a pretty extensive resume when it comes to Investigations/Indictments and it is true that anyone can be indicted for anything! Walks like a duck must be a duck? Muslim/Terrorist act?
Whirly twirly is too hard to follow in this case. Does it all come out the same way when you tackle different issues? If you think you have an upper hand when it comes to investigations then you go ahead and believe what you want. Just cause you say something doesn't make it so. As far as indictments of your buddy Steven's you really should read the transcripts and try to defend that. Remember this justice system lets all kinds of criminals out on the street. How about OJ?
I don't have to defend Stevens, he was defended in Court and found not guilty! What would be the point in looking at transcripts of his indictment or trial its not ever going to be tried again. OJ got off, its the system, can't do anything about it now! But he got his in the end, most bad guys do!
Your response reminds me of this: In the 1920's, then Harvard President A. Lawrence Lowell decided that the number of Jews admitted to Harvard should be substantially reduced because "Jews cheat." When a distinguished alumnus of Harvard, Judge Learned Hand, pointed out to President Lowell that Protestants also cheat, Lowell responded, "You're changing the subject, we're talking about Jews."
For the record Repbulicans don't portray themselves as the "party of the people", they portray themselves as the inheritors of the values that America was founded on. In it's own way that's as funny as the Dems claiming to be for the "people", whatever that really means.
It'll be interesting if the Dems lose the House and Senate again. I think that will be an unprecedented event in US history where a political party has won control of the Presidency, House and Senate in one election and lost control the next election cycle. Once people have had the chance to critique both parties, well then I think we'll start to see some real change.
I think the original point was that John Kerry as a member of a party that claims it sticks up for the poor is very rich and how can he know how it feels to be poor.
The idea of getting elected to Congress because you are rich leaves one to wonder how much our system of goverment looks after the less fortunate. It has to escalate with regard to how you can keep up. Congressmen spend a good deal of their time adding to their war chests for re-election. This adds a sense of doudt as to whether their vote is for sale as well to keep up. Two things that may lessen this problem and that is term limits and or publicly financed campaigns.
You really want to stop the corruption? Get rid of lobbyists, Obama promised that he would not have lobbyists in his administration and that was the first promise he broke! If citizens want to finance a candidate then they should be able to but lobbyists paying both sides is the real problem!
You had me at get rid of the lobbyists. You lost it when you said that citizens should finance their own lobbyists. What a nightmare and corporate America can out spend any lobbyist the citizenry could pay for.
I too was very disappointed with Obamas lobbyist appointees. I guess we need to sludge through until we get someone who shuns the practice.
523 Artur Davis (D-Ala) 522 Max Baucus (D-Mont) 521 Andre Carson (D-Ind) 519 Phil Hare (D-Ill) 519 Deborah Ann Stabenow (D-Mich) 517 Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) 517 Paul Tonko (D-NY) 516 Dennis J Kucinich (D-Ohio) 515 Keith Ellison (D-Minn) 514 Michael Arcuri (D-NY)
Yes, yes. It is awful that democrats are rich because they are hypocrites for supporting the poor. But when they are poor they clearly can not lead. The only sensible thing to do is elect rich republicans.
I blame things on politicians in general. Despite what foreigners think, there really isn't much difference between our two parties. I'm not so sure that we'd be better off with a more European style system because those systems magnify the power of fringe parties way too much. Look at Likud in Israel, for example.
That's because it's all about using tax money to buy votes. Sounds like it's the same in Canada as it is in the US. That's why both of our government's bailed out companies that should not have been bailed out.
Let's talk again six months from now. You give me crap for bringing up history all the time, but in reading about things like the New Deal, I know their measures failed and made things worse. That's how I know tomorrow will be worse than today.
No, things are changing. Many people have had their eyes opened about not only the leftist agenda but about how republicans aren't really conservative - Scozzafava comes to mind. I think the politicians are going to find that business as usual won't be business as usual.
This is why nothing ever gets done in Washington...we have people like this who have nothing better to do than make the opposing political party look bad. I suppose that we could say that the majority of Congressmen involved in recent extramarital affairs--both hetero- and homosexual--are Republicans. Both parties are equally morally bankrupt..no need to bother painting one better than the other.
It's really academic you know. Our politicians spend much time spouting party line agenda in an effort to keep us infighting. The spin and propoganda they promote keeps us from talking like adults about real topics and getting to the bottom of who is not representing our ideals in congress. Divide and conquer is a good tactic and better yet get the electorate to do their spin is even better. I don't know when the American voter will wake up and smell the coffee and start doing what is right for this country.
Most of the politicians from BOTH parties stink. We need a viable third party, and we need to boot the lobbyists out. I agree with UW - it's hard for an average Joe to get elected because he/she doesn't have the financial backing. Maybe this is beginning to change. Look how well Huckabee did against McCain. We can hope...
Lobbyists, and politicians, are owned by the "robber barons" - the heads of big corporations and banks. They ain't goin' nowhere. Any "new" politician has their blessing or we (the riffraff) would never even hear of them.
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