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Obama is a ONE Term President

  1. MikeNV profile image74
    MikeNVposted 6 years ago

    Anyone got any evidence to suggest he'll be able go dig himself out of the massive damage he has put into motion?

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Have you got any evidence that he wont? As the starter of the thread the burden of evidence is placed firmly at your feet.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you're going to call him out you should put forward your arguments.

      2. sooner than later profile image61
        sooner than laterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's true. He doesn't care about the second term. He will do as much damage as a muslim terrorist might be able to do- then he will vanish.

      3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ryankett,

        Have you seen any poll numbers, do you think those that lost their jobs will stay with him, house loss is the same, higher taxes is what you want, do you want to be told what to do by the gov't. and it goes so much further.

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He was setup to fail to begin with. So, subject is moot.

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        C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Really? So he applied for a job that he knew nothing about? was he forced to apply? Is he a "patsy"?

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        cag,

        So you are saying most President's are set up. They all want to fix something.

      3. Springboard profile image83
        Springboardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That would suggest that Bush was set up to fail as well. Remember the chads?

    3. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Personally I am not sure if he can or not, I am truly concerned if we can dig ourselves out of this mess !!

    4. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lack of credible Republican candidates.

      Lack of willingness of shack-dwelling rubes to actually get out to vote rather than rant online.

      Improvments in every aspect of governing over the idiot who preceded him.

      Plenty more available upon request. smile

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ron,

        You can look up the idiots grades but not the genius.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You should lay off the eggnog.  You're talking gibberish.

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ron,

            Intelligent answer. Why has he BLOCKED almost everything in his has? That usually means a person has something to hide and that's not just him.

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Blocked everything in his has?  Easy big fella.

    5. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think he will repeat as there is not much the Republicans are offering as of yet.

      This country re-elected W so I guess if you are looking for any good reason to re-elect Obama don't count on us.

    6. Google Gal profile image61
      Google Galposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Nope but Palin is worse

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        Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why? On what do you base your opinion?

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Every time she opens her mouth.

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            Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            For example?

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              She makes some really kooky assertions just as goofy Al Gore made.  Her reference to living next to the Soviet Union as qualifying her to understand foreign relations better than Joe Bidden.  And when asked about the Bush Doctrine looked like a deer caught in the headlights.  Or when asked what newspapers and journals she read for information she replied "all of them".  The list is endless.

              I have voted republican before and even for W the first time but Palin is just a dumb candidate for the Republicans to offer up against Obama.

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                Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                As governor of Alaska she is CIC of the National Guard there, which does have interactions with Soviet aircraft violating our airspace on occasion, just to see what our response will be. Neither Biden nor Obama has that kind of experience. And if you look at a world map from the north pole downward, you will see that Russia is about 2 miles from Alaska and can indeed be seen from there. As far as news sources go, saying she reads "all of them", so? What's wrong with that?

                Palin is a brilliant woman and politician. To understand why she says and does the things she does requires an understanding of the dynamics of power.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Maybe the funniest thing I've read this year on Hubpages.

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                    Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Glad to provide you with a laugh.

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                    Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Not at all.  Palin is indeed brilliant and does in fact understand the dynamics of power. 

                    What's funny--or not, depending on perspective, I suppose--is how so many have to date underestimated her.

                2. rhamson profile image76
                  rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Did you write this with "a tongue in cheek" expression on your face or do you really believe this crap?  Sarah Palin is the next George Bush that the Republican party wants us to buy.

                  Overlook all of her failings and disasters let alone the quiting tendency she has and you will have the next stooly to prop up in front of by the Rebublican party for us to buy.

                  You are much smarter than the response you gave and I hope the humility to understand that your credibility is greatly in jeopardy if you continue to offer Sarah Palin as a plausible candidate.

                  There are better people than the mass media injections the two parties have offered over the last few years.

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                Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Joe Bidden?

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Whoa! Now that's below the belt.

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                    Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry, Ron.  The devil made me do it.

              3. Springboard profile image83
                Springboardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                rhamson, your simply citing the same garbage that every other liberal media outlet has pointed out time and time again, over and over again. I'm not a big supporter of Palin either. But she has said sooo much more since after the campaign than during it, and your response seems to suggest you haven't been listening to HER, but rather to her critics.

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                  cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                  i actually listened to her speech to the teabaggers that night. it was interesting. but that folksy "how's that hopey changey thing workin' for ya?" grates on your nerves, i have to say neutral

          2. starme77 profile image85
            starme77posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you wink

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            Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Every time?  I presume that means you've watched every time she's been in front of a microphone right up to the present?

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              cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              well, Sarah Palin needs a voice coach. that shrillness is enough to send you running for the hills neutral

            2. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It only takes a short time to hear her dribble to realize that she is a patsy the Republican party wants us to buy.  Too dumb to realize that big busuness is robbing us blind and too stubborn to admit she was wrong.

              Because she writes something in a book with a ghost writer doesn't make her any different than she is. McCain was stupid for offering her and I hope the Rebublican party isn't stupid enough to repeat the mistake.

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        Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Anybody who's shouting "Palin is worse" actually read Going Rogue?  Or are we still basing opinions on (for example) the Katie Couric sound bite? 

        Palin 2012.  All the way.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not about to waste my money on her book.  Did she even write any of it?  What about all of the reported ummmm, not necessarily true statements that have been documented?  Does her lack of integrity trouble you at all?

          1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
            Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Are you talking about Obama? Sounds a lot like him.

          2. Springboard profile image83
            Springboardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            See that's part of the problem in America Ron. We criticize without listening. I don't like Barack Obama. ThAt's clear.  I don't like his policies. His politics do not agree with mine. But I can say that as well of McCain on many points. I can say I didn't agree with Reagan either on all points. I can say that I formed my opinion based on what I hear from the person themselves and the actions they take directly.

            As a society we can't just take what the critics say, or what opposing politicians say, or what our favorite talking heads say and make that the gospel truth that defines the person we oppose. I'd rather read a book written by Barack Obama so that I can form a BASIS for my non-support.

            You have to keep in mind one main thing here. EVERYONE has an agenda. You HAVE to read, and research, and listen. When we don't do these things is when we really get drug through the mud. How many Americans voted for Barack based on NBC? CNN? How many didn't vote for Barack based on Fox?

            We have to be smarter people.

    7. aware profile image70
      awareposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      i stated before he won . that if he did . i foresee only one term. jive talk only goes so far . people please er politics . makes for bad decision making.

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      i certainly hope so.

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        Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        smile

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          cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile

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            Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            (Sigh)  Guess we do have to put up with him for that long, eh?  Too bad there's not a Quarter Term provision....

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm hoping he's a half-term (or less) President.

      1. Presigo profile image60
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        great comment, can we be so lucky ?!!

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I sure hope so!
          I'd like to see the U.S. under God's blessing again!

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You're implying that God has something against Obama?

            1. Presigo profile image60
              Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well, that makes about as much sense as the rest of the "truths" offered by today's GOP.

    10. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Only that it is extremely rare to be a one-term president. Bush Sr did it, but not too many others.

    11. pylos26 profile image76
      pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mike...It might be time to sober up...haven't you heard the latest news...the people reelected g bush for a second term...It is now impossible not to reelected president for a second term.

    12. jobister profile image61
      jobisterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He will be able to. He has the same approval rating as of Ronald Reagan. Also you mean the damage that was thrown on his lap by the previous administration. He is doing what he thinks is best for America. He did not start 2 wars, or cause the financial crisis. You can look at the previous administration for that again. Reason Dubya had a good start his first year was also because he benefited from the 9/11 tragedy.

    13. Tom Cornett profile image58
      Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Media spin, ACORN,deceased voters,timing on release of "Job Creation Funds," ....Special Interest money....pretty much the same crap that both sides use in one way or another to get elected.
      We had Andy Taylor as president...now it's Barney's turn.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        W was Andy?  He seemed more like Goober.

        1. Tom Cornett profile image58
          Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He was goobiner once.    smile

    14. Ima Freeman profile image60
      Ima Freemanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

         I totally agree. He'll be able to make one term!

    15. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Mike,

      Not a chance; wait a minute..... If the American people get dumber, he's in. I've only written about 90 Hubs against him. We still don't really know what's in the Stimulus Package.

    16. TMMason profile image73
      TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I hope he can't. I don't want him in again. I am sick of his apologizing, ass kissing, joke of a self.

      I am proud of my country and it's past. Too bad if the world doesn't like us. Screw em'!

    17. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know that he has done that much damage so far but as far as any change I can't see it.  The same stoolies and theives are behind him and we all know they don't want any change so I guess it will be more of the same.

      I just hope the republicans can get a decent candidate to run against him.  Please, no Palin thank you very much.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We don't really know much of what Palin will do. We know she can balance a budget and get rid of crooks.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is speculation at best but as far as being a quiter I don't think that will be an easy sell.

          Out of at least 200 million possible people to run you can't tell me there is no one better than her.

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Did you ever say that about Obama or Bush?

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ...and get embroiled in scandals, and quit on her supporters, and ultimately be the final nail in the coffin of GOP presidential aspirations.

          God, she is so Sarah Palin!

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ron,

            She cleaned out the corruption, which was most done by her own party. Was that bad!

            She quit because of frivelous law suits (allowed in Alaska) filled by Democrat's. She had about a million dollars in legal bills; what would you do?

            She balanced the State budget; how many governor's do that?

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              Denno66posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I believe Mitt Romney did that as well.

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Denno,

                Romney started a state insurance plan something like Obama's, it has failed miserably.

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                  Denno66posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I was refering to his balancing the Commonwealth's budget; actually there was a surplus.

            2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I believe you could be persuaded to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.............Twice.

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I love that Alaskan government holds their governors personally (financially) responsible as a way to keep them in check.

              Excellent! 

              Try that in the white house. lol

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                sandra,

                They don't care about us.

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                  sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I know Harvey. sad

            4. Ralph Deeds profile image70
              Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              All states, after exhausting their borrowing power, eventually balance their budgets because they don't have the power to print money.

  2. tony0724 profile image61
    tony0724posted 6 years ago

    Lowest ratings in the first year of any President ever. It took 4 years to get sick of Dubya and the veep. With his choice of cabinet who do not pay their taxes and blatantly socialists leaning czars people already want him gone

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      ryankettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Really? It took me less than a month.

      1. tony0724 profile image61
        tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But Dubya was not under 50% before his first year was up

        1. SparklingJewel profile image65
          SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          that's the beauty of what is happening now...the other side is seeing what it was like to have what they thought was obviously clear...now both/all sides should have the complete picture...presidents aren't in charge, but just puppets on the string of elitists

          1. tony0724 profile image61
            tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            A strong right on to that!

        2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          9/11 ?

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            Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Have to agree with Ron on this one.  I remember when he (Dubya) was on TV, the first pre-ship-troops announcement, and I told my wife,

            "Well, he may be an a**h***, but he's OUR a**h****." 

            9/11 threw all the polls in irrelevance for a while.

        3. ladypant profile image62
          ladypantposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Dubya did'nt have a reason to be under 50%.  His predecessor did not leave him a mountain of debt and a ocean of problems to deal with.  Dubya had money to blow...and he blew it!(Along with the stability of our Nation..no, worse yet.. the World. When you actually work and get things done ,you tend to loose your popularity. President Bush had it made!  I know he feels bad about leaving all his crap on Obama (which explains why he has been so quiet.)

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Australia, England and much of Europe, Japan and China, Korea, Taiwan all suffered under Bush! smile

            1. rhamson profile image76
              rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I would only add that America is not reaping the rewards that Bush sold us and that we will be paying for it for years to come.

            2. IntimatEvolution profile image81
              IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So shall us Americans presume then that the blame for their mistakes in trusting Bush, is somehow still us Americans fault?  Or are you finally placing blame on those countries leaders, and Bush were it belongs?  The American people are not to blame as you were earlier trying to set blame with.  I hope you can now see that.

              1. Sufidreamer profile image79
                Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi IE - How are you keeping? smile

                Tough call, that one - personally, I think Bush and his cohorts have a lot to apologise for, but I certainly don't blame individual Americans for it. It is a similar situation in Greece - the US political structure is hated, for its propping up of the fascist regime, but Americans here on holiday are treated as honoured guests smile

                Bringing us on to the idea that the US should never apologise, Nicholas Burns and Bill Clinton apologised and expressed regret for the US support of the junta - that meant a lot to the Greeks and rebuilt many bridges, so I cannot understand the linking of apology with weakness. Being bold enough to admit mistakes gains respect smile

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                  poetlorraineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  here here Sufi is right, he the man

                2. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                  IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh my goodness, very well Sufi!  Hope I didn't miss you...
                  I hear what you are saying, however this involves a very controversial war that was highly publicize, that the American people did not want, and that Bush and Cheney ran on their own accord.  As an American, I would be highly offended if we were to apologize for something we had no control over.  In this instant, we the people were not duped, or blinded to the facts...  WE were IGNORED!  That we have no control over.  So what's to apologize for?  I don't go around apologizing for everyone's poor behavior that I see, I only apologize for my own or families damages.  If those countries want justice and apologies, then hold those bozo leaders accountable and make them face there wrongs in a trial abroad.  Make them pay, out of their pockets for any reimbursements and fines that are deemed necessary.  They should pay for their mess.  Cheney made billions off this war.  Can you now understand it better why so many Americans are opposed to apologizing to anyone on this matter?

                  1. rhamson profile image76
                    rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Taking responsibility for what the US has done in the past is paramount to the beginning of change.  Just because an elected official screws up does not give us the right to distance ourselves from it.  "We, The People" elected him and all of his blunders and mishaps are on us.  The vote is a living thing as evidenced by many persons defending their politicians and their actions.  "We the people" need to be vigilant in following up on the policies and actions of our elected officials and vote them out and make reparations where warranted.

                    "We the people" need to understand that "we" are the government instead of a separate entity so easily dismissed for its shortcomings.

                  2. Sufidreamer profile image79
                    Sufidreamerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Glad to hear that life is going well. big_smile

                    Don't get me wrong - I actually agree with you about most of that - I do not expect my German friends to apologise for Hitler, nor do I feel the need to apologise for the atrocities that the English committed in Scotland, Ireland, India, Africa...It is more a response to some of the other posts (I had quite a lot to read through and catch up on!) that apologising equates to weakness. It is not applicable in every case, but for diplomacy and wiping the slate clean, is useful.

                    I guess that you have to take into account the different viewpoints - I have no opinion about Obama's internal policies; that is entirely up to you. However, we are in a different culture and have a different media and perspective here, and Greeks are, so far, delighted with the administration. Hillary Clinton worked wonders in building relations between Turkey and Armenia, which has made this part of the world a little safer.

                    My main beef is with those who feel that the rest of the world has no right to an opinion about Obama (I stayed away from the political forums for a while, because I was fed up of being called a cowardly, oppressed European!). US international policy affects us all and, at the moment, most folks in this part of the world like the way that the administration is using negotiation rather than intimidation. smile

                    Now, apologise or die lol

                  3. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                    Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I always thought apologies for mistakes were a sign of strength, not weakness.

          2. Springboard profile image83
            Springboardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But ladypant, this is where it gets ignorant. Okay, so the Bush administration left a mess. So who is in office now? Obama. What party is Obama? Democrat. Who controls the House? Democrats. Who controls the Senate? Democrats. How long has this been true? Nearly two years.

            So how long will it take for Obama to fix things up do you think? How long will the excuse that it's all Bush's fault be acceptable?

            He said he went into Washington to get the work of the American done, so let's start getting it done. If Barack had been hired by a corporate board of directors he'd have been fired already.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Tony,

      When you're right, you're right. Not everything goes left.

  3. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Only some people want him gone, the sort of vidictive people who continue to tell outrageous lies and happily destroy their own country doing so. Looks hilarious to those of us who get our info offshore! lol

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      earnie,

      The overseas press is your best source? Do you mean the papers fom Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

  4. SparklingJewel profile image65
    SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago

    it is up to the consciousness of the people to change, to enable change to be made to work this mess out... most of those "in charge" are entrenched within their own mess and ego...it is up to the masses to stand up and see that change is made by taking away continued ability for those in charge to continue their abuses on the system and people...vote them out... and have mass action to cut off the flow of the money to those in charge; are you prepared to do that...they can't put 10 million people in jail for not paying their taxes; they will have to change when they don't have our money to play with

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sparkling,

      I agree with you! Lets get rid of that multi-millionaire Barack Obama.

    2. mdburks profile image59
      mdburksposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That is a nice thought, But I do believe it will take more than 10 million people out of a nation 312 million.

  5. aguasilver profile image88
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    What makes anyone think he will survive that long?

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      Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He's made it this far.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      agua,

      60 Senator's.................for now.

    3. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What makes you think he won't? He's about to pass an historic albeit imperfect health care reform bill and soon will sign a finance reform bill. Afghanistan is his achilles heel. There is nothing I can see that would prevent him from completing his term and launching a strong campaign for a second term.

  6. wesleyacarter profile image60
    wesleyacarterposted 6 years ago

    why do people think Obama is supposed to be superman?

    Obama is not responsible for you, he is the leader! How can he be successful trying to run a nation of wanna be leaders?

    faith and understanding, my friend.

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      Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Leader?  More like a crammer-down-the-throater.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ghost,

        He is a mother stuffer!

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      wesley,

      Our Presiden bares no responsibility for us. You mean like security?

  7. dfunzy profile image61
    dfunzyposted 6 years ago

    He will win. You have to have somebody to defeat somebody, the GOP has nobody. It is full of infighting and second-raters. Obama's numbers have been bouncing above and below 50% But polls this early don't count.  What counts is the opposition candidate. The GOP is at war with itself.

    1. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It goes far beyond the GOP, the democrats are fighting, the whole country is dividing

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Pres,

        You got that right.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      dfun,

      It's not fighting, it is a decision of leadership.

  8. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    I curious as to why you think he is a one term President.

    1. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I dont know its too early for that prediction, I am not sure what shape we will be in by then, at this rate

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not too sure that he is doing all that bad.  I mean he did inherit one hell of a mess.  However, I do think that it is much to early to be speculating on whether or not he is a 1 term President or not.  It's not like we haven't seen 1 before, just look at George Bush Sr, I'd like to think that Obama has been a better President than what that joker was.  Who knows the American people are fussy.  Something I comically refer to as "fair weather fans."

        1. tony0724 profile image61
          tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          If Holder does not get an Immediate conviction on Khalid Shiek Mohammad I guarantee you the public will be screaming for some heads . What I really do not like is his choices for his cabinet and his czars. America is getting a taste of liberalism and they do not like excaept for a small minority. This is not the change they were seeking.

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
            IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Could be.  But what so wrong with his cabinet?  America needed a little more liberalism, so I don't think that is were all the hate rhetoric is coming from.  To me it seems like that it is more of a "jealousy of power" thing.  Who knows.

            1. tony0724 profile image61
              tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              He has a cabinet that most of them never paid their taxes like we have to.Most of his czars are sworn communists . This is not speculation this is fact. And Hillary just promised 100 billion to countries that we do not have in Copenhagen. Jealousy has nothing to do with it , common sense does.

            2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Have you checked out his advisors.

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Tony,

            You da man!

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Intimate,

          Even you will be against Obama, when his doings hit you. Stay tuned.

  9. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    Though I agree its too early, and I agree he inherited a mess, I disagree that its too early to evaluate what he has done. His sweeping changes are unhinging us as a country as well as economically. I am one of those who opposed his election for his stance on social issues, that being said I was willing to give him a chance. He has done nothing but destructive things since coming in and the chance I was giving him has been blown up. As many others have by his plummeting numbers.  Which mean nothing, what really matters is the structural damage he has done !

  10. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    OMG! "Communist."  Seriously now, common on... what the heck? 

    I'm sorry you just lost me there.

    1. tony0724 profile image61
      tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      His Rep to the UN made a speech where she praised Mao I saw it on youtube. Van Jones was an avowed communist which is one of the reasons that he got run out of his green jobs czar job . And you might want to check thr resume of Cass Sunstein too . That is just to get you started . I will give you more later

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Do you check for communists under your bed every morning? Where do you get this crap?

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ralph,

          Go on youtube and put in their name. You will hear it from their own mouths.  Then you won't deny it.

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh there's plenty more: Zionist, Kenyan, Facist, Muslim.......

    3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Intimate,

      Check the definition of communist.

  11. IntimatEvolution profile image81
    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

    I see.

  12. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    You know the rhetoric is high with party association. I personally have lost faith in the presidency through the last 2 administrations. I believe our rights and freedoms have been under attack by GW and Obama. There is no earthly way I would defend either mans ability to lead us.

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting commentary.  Not sure if I'd put Obama in the same league with bozo up there.  I think bozo is in a league all his own.  Maybe he's communist.wink

      1. Presigo profile image60
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        fair enough, he may be. These two men have really hurt this country. We are so divided now, and both of them have helped polarize us. Many conservatives had an issue with Bush, and many liberals now have a problem with Obama. They have successfully divided us into subsections of parties ! Which in my estimation may work out well !

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't you think we were divided before?  I know I do.  That had nothing to do with Obama.  That had everything to do with John McCain's hate mongering.

          1. Presigo profile image60
            Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think we have become very divided over the last two administrations. Many people are responsible. Each of the last two presidents have proven to be divisive leaders, even within their own parties. Each has taken liberty from us, Each have failed as leaders though they offended diffrent factions of the populus. Other than me and some others, they both offended us !!!

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
              IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah, you can write all that again.  You're absolutely right.

      2. tony0724 profile image61
        tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Here is another reason people are losing their taste for Obama

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 … gery-czar/

    2. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Always have to shake my head when people say this.  You have the freedom to sit at a computer and type these words, right?  I think the high distrust of the government is highly exaggerated, and I do not exactly trust people who question the government 24/7.  The reason is if the questioners were in power they might act differently.

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        Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi, SP.  Sigh.  Agreed.

        The debates on the political forum are basically worthless these days. 

        Have you seen that Pam Grundy is leaving Hubpages permanently??

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I beg your pardon, but I have had wonderful conversation on this subject matter.  Very intelligent, and informative debates.  I'm not sure whether you have read any of this forum subject matter, however I do think you might find that your comment does not fit the situation in this case.

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            Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Personal remark aimed to SP, ma'am...that's why I addressed her.  Believe she will get what I was saying.

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
              IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well whether you addressed only her or not, I felt compelled to tell you that my conversation on this particular forum subject matter was not worthless.  What makes you think you can just sit by and insult a whole group of people, and that'd be okay?  After all  you were addressing SP...  Unfortunately at OUR expense.  Thank YOU for ruining a very delightful political debate.  Maybe it is YOU who needs to look up the meaning of worthless commentary.  Thank you and goodnight.

              Presigo-  I've really enjoyed our conversation.  But I'm not into dealing with trolls.  So I'm outta here.  We will have to continue this conversation any other time.  Good to meet you- Julie

              1. Presigo profile image60
                Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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                Star Witnessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Good heavens!  It was a comment (not even particularly perhaps about this thread) addressed directly to SP, for a particular reason.  It was your choice whether or not you want to take it personally--which apparently you did--and out of context, even after explained. 

                I do not have control over your thinking or feeling or conception.

            2. Friendlyword profile image61
              Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Where's Pam going? We need a sane voice like her.

        2. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow, I did not know that.  I guess she has a new writing job that will take up her time?  Sad so many people are leaving, but I can understand why with some things people say on here.

  13. jessicab profile image60
    jessicabposted 6 years ago

    The problem is that this world was already screwed up.  Now its hard for any man or woman, leader or follower can fix.  I think this world need a miracle, by God.

  14. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    well thank you, I have appreciated our dialohue here tonight !

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, it's been fun.  Thank you.

      1. Presigo profile image60
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yes my friend we grow in understanding when we discuss things with respect and civil dialogue

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, we sure do.  Would you mind listing your hub for me.  I would love to read it.

          1. Presigo profile image60
            Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            http://hubpages.com/hub/A-call-to-Freedom
            First time I tried copy pasting, hope this workjs, it is called a call to freedom if it didn't work ! please leave a comment, intelligent conversation helps to make a better hub I believe ! and thank you

            1. Presigo profile image60
              Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this
              1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, well I just went to your site and saw that hub so I bookmarked it to read just in case.  Thank you.

                1. Presigo profile image60
                  Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  no problem, I hope you enjoy it, I must run, hope to have more conversations in the future, thanks

                  1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                    IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow!  What a great hub.  I'd like to know what makes you think that we the people have the power to change anything in Washington?  We cannot even get some of our Congressman to pay there taxes, as was mention earlier, much less change there mindset and way of taking care of American business.  You wrote "It's time for the people to change it, for our leaders will not."  Well okay, how?  Voting doesn't seem to work anymore.  Changing politicians doesn't work anymore.  So what's next?  Civil war?  Who'd do the fighting?  Not me, I'd just move to Canada.  America is not worth the trouble anymore.  Washington is not for the people.  Why should the people be for Washington?  Moreover, we the people have allow our country to be completely summed up by the indiscretions of our Washington politicians.  I feel the people really don't make a difference anymore.

      2. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What was the hub?  Would you list it here for me.  I would like to read it.

  15. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    Now there is a man with clear thinking !

  16. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    I couldn't agree with you more !! I wrote a hub the other day concerning that issue

  17. tony0724 profile image61
    tony0724posted 6 years ago

    Both the republicans and the Dems are concrete reasons why we need a third party.

    1. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      looking for a home in the political arena now

  18. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    worked that time !

  19. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    Well first I did not say I was sospicious of the government 24/7. My words were in regard to the last two gentlemen who held the office of President. Secondly I am certain that most of the world is online so that particular freedom is not unique to our government. And Lastly If you are not suspicious of the government you do not deserve freedom. I believe many of our founding fathers espoused this concept. But again my remarks were in the relatively well defined scope of the LAST TWO ADMINISTRATIONS. Thank you !

    1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Presigo, don't mind them.  Ignore them.  Some people forget the objects and sides of good conversation, and instead define themselves as "know it alls."wink

  20. Presigo profile image60
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    ytes, thank you my friend. I tend to ignore such comments, as they detract from the subject matter and everyone ends up fighting. I felt compelled this time, must be getting late !!

    1. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago

      Julie you as well, l,ets talk again, thank you !

    2. nikki1 profile image61
      nikki1posted 6 years ago

      I personally think is a fine President. He has done a great deal of good. To many to add on this thread. I hope he isn't a 1 term President.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What has he done?

    3. kateperez profile image75
      kateperezposted 6 years ago

      Nikki,

      I appreciate your opinion but I have not seen him do much except mis-speak about police officers, carry forward with Muslim respect, forgetting he is supposed to be representing the USA, and make a whole lot of people angry at him because of narcissism. 

      If you could just give an example or two of what he's done for America, I'll consider it.

      Thanks!

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hear!Hear!

      2. nikki1 profile image61
        nikki1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi kateperez.. got the money back from AIG, Changed credit card rules and reg., Not enough space to cover all he has done. He has done a great deal. I for one am proud of him and his patience. Specially when you someone unprofessionally shouts out LIER. And he was quite diplomatic about it.

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And soon he'll be signing a historic health care reform bill.

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            G-D forbid. I only know one good doctor that likes Obama's health. He is retired and an anarchist.

    4. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      If the economy turns around, Obama will get a second turn. If not, and if the GOP offers a viable candidate, I think Obama will be out. The 2010 mid-term elections will be interesting and could very well be an indication of the 2012 presidential election.

    5. tony0724 profile image61
      tony0724posted 6 years ago

      Nikki do you read the papers ?

      1. nikki1 profile image61
        nikki1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very funny, I'm keeping up. He makes improvements a great deal of the time. He just improved the credit card policies to help their users. Not to mention helping home buyers, Asked AIG to return the money and publicly got made at them. Etc.. I personally feel for him. In my opinion he definately deserves the Noble Peace Prize. Frienz4lif

    6. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      The POTUS is in deep right now. The far left is excoriating him, and of course, he's never been liked by the right. I hear that Moveon, Daily Kos, Huff Post, and other progressive sites are giving Obama hell.

      1. Friendlyword profile image61
        Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes! It's because he had to cave in to the sell out Democrats. People are too angry to see he had no choice. He had to sell us out because the Republicans, Leiberman and 4 Democrats were willing to KILL THE BILL and alot of sick and dying people along with it. I think the left will calm dowm once they realize he had to be the President. He has to pass this bill to save lives. All the republicans thought about was making this OBAMA'S WATERLOO! And all the Democratic sellouts thought about was  gettin paid!

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        All good signs for Obama's continued political success.  Piss off the extremists and govern from the middle.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

      The issue is can a president afford to move too far from center. I think the answer is no, because they can't afford to lose the moderates.

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      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago

      No, not a one term President.

    9. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      I get a mental picture of Pailin breakin out in tongues at a UN meeting! lol lol lol

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        Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Has anyone other than liberals and atheists known her to speak in tongues? 

        Although if she DID speak in tongues, it's be light years more productive than the usual drivel coming out of the U.N.

        1. atil profile image60
          atilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

    10. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

      Maybe we could breed her with that other GOP genius Dan Quayle and start a race of super geniuses!  One is a master of geography, the other is quite the speller.

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        Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You do have a way with words, Ron, but there seems to be a bit of comprehension lacking on this one.  First of all, I'm not sure she's open to breeding outside of her own marriage, unlike some.  Secondly, I'm willing to bet a dollar to Obama's single term (though it's worth a lot less than the proverbial doughnut hole) that she has quite a firm grasp on a good deal of geography after her explosively successful book tour--after all, she covered a lot of ground in those 30 days. 

        Can't say much to defend Quayle.  After all, he did have his shot and pretty much made his own bed, whether or not for breeding.  But when it comes to Sarah, I'll back the lady who worked her way through college any day.

    11. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      I read some interesting discussions from political talking heads who say that Hillary is supposedly going to challenge him in 2012 for the dem. nomination. What are your thoughts? Anyone?

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        TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        if you don't have anything good to say about someone you must be talking about hilary clinton lol read this online somwhere can't exactly remember where though.

      2. Mitch Rapp profile image59
        Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Between these two I'll take the politically smarter one, thats Clinton for those who are wondering.

        1. Presigo profile image60
          Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hard to argue that, would tend to agree

    12. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago

      lets hope that we will be in good shape when we get to 2012 !

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If by "we" you mean Republicans, don't hold yer breath.  Bush was your last one savor it.

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          TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this
        2. Mitch Rapp profile image59
          Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not being a Republican nor Democrat I find that this aberration known as the Obama Presidency has pretty much ensured a Republican return to the White house.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If God decides to send Reagan back, then maybe.

            Otherwise, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

    13. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

      Republicans have everything needed to reclaim the Whitehouse..........

      Except voters  (there's not enough teabaggers to make a difference)

      and ideas (hating your fellow Americans doesn't really count)

      and a candidate (Palin probably wouldn't even win Alaska)

      Except for these minor issues it should be a great race.

      1. Presigo profile image60
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who cares for the republicans ? Cause I find them reprehensible as I do the democrats, but this president has done more harm in a single year than anything I could have hoped tyo imagine

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        TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          minor? btw i hate the colts

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So your knowledge of football mirrors your knowledge of politics?

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            TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            nope i don't even really care about politics i just found "minor details" funny, cause i don't really think "not enough voters" is really "minor"

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Wow, nothing gets past you does it?

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol

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                TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

                http://www.profile-comments.com/images/nfl/images/colts-suck-titans-rule.gif

      3. Mitch Rapp profile image59
        Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think the voters they need will come in the way of independents, most people I know who admit voting for Obama are now admitting they made a horrible mistake. I'm sure the Republicans will not be sending Palin off to try and capture the White house.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Then who?  There is no Republican that stands a chance.

          1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
            Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Its not up to me to make that choice, but Obama will lose to whomever they do run. This guy had a chance and has shown most of us what he is about, those few who would never turn there back on a Democrat will vote for him, those truly independent have already written him off.

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sadly for you folks, that probably is the best strategy the GOP can come up with- wishful thinking.

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That was Obama's strategy! He had nothing but slogans, and we are all going to pay a price for it.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes affordable healthcare and fiscal responsibilty is a terrible price to pay.  I weep for my country.

                  1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Fiscal responsibility? I weep for my country also.

                    1. Presigo profile image60
                      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I too weep for OUR country it is sad what is happening

            2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              There's no predicting this. The vote is usually roughly fifty-fifty, or fifty-five/forty-five etc. Given this, there is no way of knowing what will happen three years from now. The truth is that the system will always disappoint a gigantic proportion of the population because of this... and it is almost like tossing a coin, frankly, so trying to bet on the right horse this far in advance is futile.

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Not exactly, Daddy Bush was one of my one term predictions fairly early into his Presidency. Granted, Clinton got help from Perot, but those were Bush supporters who flew the coop.

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I meant more generally, not specifically with reference to "one-term-ness", that when you have a system whereby someone becomes president by a hair's breadth, more-or-less, it is logically difficult to know what's going to happen when November of election year comes around. Bush's victory in 2004 might be a good example; who would have thought that the Democrats could have run such a clueless campaign that they couldn't beat such a walking disaster... there's just no way of knowing what's going to happen -- and your reference to Ross Perot reinforces the point.

      4. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yep, these minor issues will not help those dirty dems! lol
        The handful of noisy haters must be very upset now that America's poor are going to get to a doctor! smile

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Last pathetic gasps of a doomed party.  I don't imagine the Chinese dinosaurs went quietly either.  (combining threads to be efficient)

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol

        2. Presigo profile image60
          Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Haters ? Whoi my friend are YOU calling a hater. You are an Australian who tells we americans who is right and who is wrong for our country. We live with the decisions the President makes, it is our LIVES that are affected, and you stand on the shores of Australia and tell us we are haters because of the discomfort we live in with this president. How dare you be so presumptious of our lives, an opinion is one thing but do not tell us who we are !

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thoughtful opinions shouldn't scare you regardless of the origin.  You don't speak for America

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well if you knew anything at all about the world outside America you would know that Australians are very much affected by what happens in America and many of us have followed it for donkey years!
              We take sides in our two party politics, but stop short of telling lies and listening to dumb assed conspiracy theories.
              We have heard it all. Obama is a Muslim, Obama is a communist, Obama is not an American, Obama this, Obama that, but we have a traditionally robust press including ABC and BBC, so you know something, so do we. The advantages of an external view is not usually appreciated by extremists. smile

              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Marshall McLuhan also once said that Canada was in the unique position of having a window onto America from the outside... he saw this as a valuable thing. And he knew a thing or two about this sort of thing...

              2. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I for one am interested in the external view from your country.

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                  TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  how could you not be? it IS important to know others opinions outside of our country.

          2. pylos26 profile image76
            pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            prego...are you on nasty drugs???...by god you seem to be.

            1. Presigo profile image60
              Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Are you funny ? Are you looking to be constructive or just have not anything intelectual to say ? Am I on drugs is your pathetic attempt to discredut me ? get to the issues and be constructive or go homne, cause I am not going to listen to silly rhetoric , is that clear ebnough, if so get objective and lets debate

              1. pylos26 profile image76
                pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                One momento...have to edit your attempted english before i can comment.

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                  TomGreenFan917posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/crying.gif LMFAO

                2. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                  IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Com'on, is this really necessary?sad

                  Have you read the health care bill?

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          Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Uh...Earnest, America's poor already do get to go to a doctor through a government program, i.e. Medicaid.  If that doesn't work, the Emergency Rooms stay fairly busy (although some doctors we know do tell us that the ER shifts, especially at night, are pretty well populated with those seeking narcotics for the sake of narcotics).  It's those a step or two up from "the poor" that are without coverage.

    14. IntimatEvolution profile image81
      IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago

      Today I was watching CNN and they were covering all the extra fat pork that was added into the Senate's healthcare bill.  OMG!  Did anyone else notice all the extra crap that states like Nebraska, The Dakotas and Montana are to get?  Ridiculous.  It's almost not worth paying for.  Why can are Senators not act as cut throat prostitutes, and for once do what is right by the American people?  Oh this is so aggravating!  What makes them Congressman think that healthcare in America is a barter and trade issue?  That's not comprising, that is big business.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed.  It's like watching sausage being made.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Gosh I know.  Nebraska is getting their Medicare or medicade benefits paid 100% indefinitely.  What's up with that nonsense?  At least put a time limit on the condition.  But forever is a little too much to ask or TAKE if you ask me.  How do we the people stop them from doing this?

          1. Presigo profile image60
            Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            We truly need to make our voices heaqrd . Even if you want government control Health Care, Our Reps need to know how we feel, they don't even know what they are voting on. Somebody start expecting our elected officials to know what they vote on before they bind us !

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
              IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              But they won't listen.  They will do what their party has asked of them, and that's both sides of the isle.  We the people is an unrealistic ideology anymore.  Bozo Jr. proved that, but still the health care bill that they have now agreed upon is full of fat cat garbage.  Big money- that we the people cannot afford.  Do these Congressman and woman think we are all made of gold?  They all are off their rocker.  Disappointing day for me.  I was expecting them to have done a better job.

              1. Presigo profile image60
                Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                There is so much truth in what you say, people defend that which they do not know, like I said you want social health care, than fine, but hold your elected officials responsible to that, lets not go into this without knowing what it is !

      2. Mitch Rapp profile image59
        Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        According to the Colts fan that's called Fiscal responsibility.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Reducing our deficit (leftovers from the final Republican president) is what I call fiscal responsibility.  Those Senators who held the bill hostage for pork should be tarred and feathered along with Lieberman.

          1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
            Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Nice try, the President who signs this bill into law should be tarred and feathered! Congress can create law but its the President that makes it law, fiscal responsibility my ass!

      3. Presigo profile image60
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi so glad to see you tonight ! I must apologize but I am not happy with our president tonight, so was glad to see you weigh in, maybe I will be a little more rational !

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh hey hi!  I missed your post, sorry.  Yeah Obama thought all the pork was worth the measure.  Saw nothing wrong with any of it.  I think he is a tad off his rocker in this case.  What is he thinking?

    15. Coolpapa profile image89
      Coolpapaposted 6 years ago

      So Typical - rhetoric with no or wrong facts. Below is from the Gallop web site. Also there should be some statistic on which President had to take over the biggest mess!

      "Thus far in December, Obama has averaged 50% job approval. That is similar to the December averages for Ronald Reagan (49%) and Bill Clinton (53%), who also took office when the economy was struggling."

    16. Coolpapa profile image89
      Coolpapaposted 6 years ago

      As One American, I don't find that much wrong with what Obama has done. Money is coming back already from TARP. Housing is improving...  It was a mess and I think he has made the right moves....

    17. silver lining 5 profile image61
      silver lining 5posted 6 years ago

      may I interject, thank you.  It's nice for a change to have a Harvard graduate as president rather than a chimp or chimp Jr.  Anywho, I would step up and pay a little extra tax if it meant that the poverty striken people in our society can get good healthcare.  I would also like to see junk food taxed a few cents, kind of like cigarettes as well as other steps in the way of disease prevention.  Really, there are countries who pay alot more taxes than we do but they get free health care.  I say take the d--- insurance companies power away and give it back to the people where it belongs.  Obama could turn water into wine and you still wouldn't like him.  You probably voted for him cause Mealy mouthed McCain and Sarah Palen were just to much to bear.  Give the guy a chance.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think you are right on many points here.  However, as our President he should not pass a bill that has been so horribly handled by our fellow Congressmen and women.  What they have done to the health care reform bill is a crying shame.

      2. Coolpapa profile image89
        Coolpapaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed!!

    18. Presigo profile image60
      Presigoposted 6 years ago

      The American people have not done this, It is the last two amkerican presidents who have. There is no blood on American hands, not the people

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The problem is that this is true. But unfortunately, I am not sure that this is how things work.

        In other words, imagine a country invades the US, let us say, a Muslim country. Now, imagine that most Muslims in that country do not want a war with anyone, in fact what they want is to be left in peace to watch their favourite soap operas, watch soccer games, look for work, go shopping, etc. They don't want to be dragged into a war.

        Now, let us say that, some time later, that country says "Look, we the people of country x didn't want to go to war anyway, it was our leaders." Let's say it was true. Wouldn't Americans want an apology, ANYWAY.

        I am not saying Obama SHOULD apologise, I am just saying that there is some logic to it, when seen from somewhere OUTSIDE America...

        1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
          Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We would want an apology from those who made the decision! Blaming America for the problems in your Country just says your country is weak, quit depending on the US and do for yourselves!

          1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
            IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Kudos and hooray!

          2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not blaming America for what's going on in my country. In fact, in my country of Canada, we actually had tight regulatory control over our banks, so none of them fell, and none of them needed bailing out, and we had no foreclosure crisis; and our recession was the least severe in the world as a result. The Canadian government of the time chose not to go to Iraq (but is in Afghanistan, despite the fact that Canada has never been subject to a terrorist attack, but is there as an ally of the US solely), but if it had chosen to go to Iraq I assure you we would have blamed our own leaders, and not yours, for Canadians losing their lives for a lie!

            The Canadians did however give bailout money to the US auto companies operating here, so that is two levels on which *we* are helping *you*:
            - Afghanistan
            - the US auto company bailout.
            ...and Australians I presume (and Spaniards, and Brits) were also in Iraq in support of the US, despite the fact that they only suffered terrorist attacks (Spain and Britain) *because* of their involvement in Iraq!
            When Hurricaen Katrina struck, Bangladesh, one of the poorest countries in the world, sent you aid.
            So just slow down there with this ranting -- the world has lent you a hand on many occasions; it cuts both ways.

            1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
              Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Canada owns a piece of GM, they will get a return on their investment and if not, too bad, they made a bad investment.

              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Man, listen. When September 11th hit, the world came out in support of you. If you're going to spit in the face of all the examples I just gave then this conversation has become disrespectful to all the Canadian troops who are in Afghanistan simply because Canada considers that this is what you do when you are a US ally. Same goes for the British, the Australians, and anyone else who GIVES UP THE LIVES OF ITS CITIZENS IN SUPPORT OF YOU. We don't have to agree on everything, but your attitude is rude. Canadian mothers weep all over this country for sons and daughters fighting al Qaeda and the Taliban - two groups that barely even know Canada exists... but whose purpose is America's destruction.
                Have some respect.

                1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                  Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Respect? You are complaining that those troops are there defending the American way of life, I am pointing out to you that the US has done more for the world than the world has done for us and we still get spit on by our allies! I'm thankful for the Canadian troops that are there, but it isn't Americas choice to send them!

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    My God, I just said that myself! You are confusing me with earnesthub. And I didn't say for a second that I was complaining... except about *your* attitude specifically (you as an individual, not America as a whole).

                    I invite some fellow Americans to respond to the comment:

                    "I am pointing out to you that the US has done more for the world than the world has done for us and we still get spit on by our allies!"

                    1. Mitch Rapp profile image59
                      Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Ok

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  AdsenseStrategies, I am an American.  You know of course, that many of us appreciate every country's effort to give America support in both wars, whether they were righteous or not.  Quite a few of are also saddened these same countries lost citizens for a war which should not have been. 

                  My father fought in  WW II, D-Day, Omaha Beach, helped liberate France, Battle of the Bulge, Germany invasion, under George Patton and so on.  We have to help each other if we wish to remain civilized people.

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Sounds good to me. And I think any European with any sense is enormously grateful to the sacrifice of Americans in Europe during the nineteen-forties, but also for the large amount of infrastructure funding that was poured in after the War, to rebuild a destroyed continent.

                    Having grown up in Britain, I also am very grateful that the US stood in the way of the Soviets, because I am sure Stalin would have made it to Dublin if it hadn't been for American opposition.

    19. silver lining 5 profile image61
      silver lining 5posted 6 years ago

      There is another segment of "the poor," in relevance to healthcare and they are the ones who barely make it from paycheck to paycheck but they have a job and don't qualify for medicaid, they can't afford the insurance rates either.  Four hundred dollars per month to insure a husband and wife is alot of money when you are trying to pay a mortgage plus car insurance and other bills.  Health insurance companies will keep raising those rates and more people will have to go without insurance and many will die.  That's why health reform is important, yes the bill is pretty mangled but it's something and if it stays alive it can go into reconciliation, if it dies it will be another 10 or 20 years before we have another chance to change the situation for the better.  Meantime the insurance companies will keep killing off those who can't afford their rates.

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think we all realize this...  However, Obama signing that hogwash on the Senate floor would be devastating.  It is not right for our country.  It has been spoiled by fat cats, and pulled pork.

    20. Mitch Rapp profile image59
      Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago

      Did everyone give up?

    21. Mitch Rapp profile image59
      Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago

      I wonder how much aid Bangladesh has received from the US, I'm sure whatever they sent was a pittance compared to what they have taken!

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are obscene. The point is that they gave ANYTHING was a mark of friendship.

    22. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Earlier in this forum, you guys were discussing the health care bill. Since there's so much heated debate about it here in the US, why not let the people vote on it?

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
        IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, great idea but it does not work that way here.

    23. UPStar profile image61
      UPStarposted 6 years ago

      Liberals dont want us to vote because they are having a serious power grab. They dont think we are smart enough to figure out what is best for ourselves and our families.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Voting for W was evidence of you knowing what's best?

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
          IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh... touche:)

    24. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      Bill Maher made an amusing point about how Sarah Palin felt she should never have to apologize for American "exceptionalism".  Basically, Palin and others were mad Obama apologized on foreign soil, a grave sin in their books.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mahe … 64695.html

      1. Will Apse profile image90
        Will Apseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Obama is a sad figure for many Europeans. He seems to grasp the realities of what is happening in the world but is mired in the  strange fantasies of a continent so immured in the 18th Century that he cannot act.

        1. RKHenry profile image80
          RKHenryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          WTF???  You're kidding right?

        2. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am sure other Europeans do not consider him a sad figure.  A bit harsh I think is your analysis.  He is trying to make a bridge, and not a sad figure at all.  Oh well, I admire the man so much, so if you do not like it, get over it!

          1. Will Apse profile image90
            Will Apseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Get over what exactly?

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "What we have here is...failure to communicate"

              1. IntimatEvolution profile image81
                IntimatEvolutionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's for sure.

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I am an intelligent woman that communicates quite well Ron and others poking fun at me.  How cool are you to put others down.  The poster above will just have to get over the fact some people like Obama.

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You have misunderstood.  I didn't put you or anyone else down.  I pointed out that you and Will weren't quite on the same page.  Will is in fact praising Obama in his post, not putting him down.

                    1. SweetiePie profile image83
                      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Well I read it, and to some extent I think he thinks Obama is trying, but is some how mired in a continent, the US, that is still stuck in the past.  Every continent can be accused of that, to some extent.  Maybe I overreacted, but in these forums people are so quick to poking fun at others at one's expense, so it never hurts to be careful.

    25. 0
      ralwusposted 6 years ago

      Many scenarios can take place by election day 2012

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very true. Afghanistan is Obama's Achilles heel.

    26. Tom Cornett profile image58
      Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago

      How about them Colts!   smile

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Careful, someone may misinterpret that.

        Colts Rule!

    27. Will Apse profile image90
      Will Apseposted 6 years ago

      There is another issue avoided.

      To spell it out American exceptionalism= a strange idea that the clever, clever dangerous world outside can be negated by keeping your eyes tightly closed and mumbling incantations of whatever kind you wish.

      Any leader who wants to move things along a little is going to meet an unholy alliance of ignorance and vested interest.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        An unholy alliance of ignorance and vested interest........

        My God!  You've just defined Sarah Palin!

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Quick, vote her in!

      2. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes this is Sarah Palin.  Has anyone read her Facebook messages?  Those are quite amusing by the way!

        1. TamCor profile image80
          TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Personally, I think ALL of the politicians are amusing...that's better than taking any of them seriously, lol...smile

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I admire Obama and do take him seriously, nothing wrong with that.  Palin is amusing, on the other hand, because she is such a big climate change denier.  I have had quite a few preaching to me over the last couple of days, and they all seem to hold her in very high esteem.

            1. TamCor profile image80
              TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I know you take Obama seriously, you've made that abundantly clear, lol.  Thing is, just like Palin--he is a politician--and like most, if not all politicians, they say what they think the "American People" want to hear, to get elected.

              Can you tell I am very jaded to this whole political scene?  Every four years, it's the same thing...promises, promises, promises...then little to no follow through.

              I don't like nor dislike Obama--to me, he's like every President before him.  I hope he does do something positive for this nation--but so far, I've seen no sign of it.

              But that's just MY opinion...smile

    28. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      Working towards health care reform is positive for one.  On the other hand, having another leader like Bush is not what I want, and that was bad for our nation.  Also, I am a very realistic one, so I never put to much hope on some promises.  My mom promised to take me to the beach one summer and we never made it.  Was I jaded about that and upset because we did not go?  I eventually got over it.  To me exercising the right to vote and picking the right candidate is vital to the health of the nation. 

      Being apathetic or even luke warm towards Obama will guarantee the GOP with nominate a very strong candidate in 2012, and yes he will be worse than Bush with the type of propaganda going on at the moment.  Being politically involved is very important to me, and I will always vote for the best candidate.  Obama is really trying to get us out of this mess, and it does not help when we have a conservative senators standing in the way of a public option. 

      Also, people forget how it took ten full years for the US to come out of the Great Depression, but in our modern culture people want instantaneous results.  People are ready to throw out the baby with the bath water, and not acknowledge that some change is better than more of the worst, which is what Palin and McCain would have been.

      1. TamCor profile image80
        TamCorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you are always going to vote for the best candidate--will you vote for that person, no matter which party they are?  Or if they are running as an independent?

        That is what I do--I don't follow any political lines.  So see, that doesn't make me apathetic or lukewarm towards Obama at all.  I feel I am being as realistic, and open-minded as I can be.

        And, of course, I also never put too much hope on promises...I thought I had made that clear.

        My opinion is merely that--my opinion.  Just as yours is yours.  You don't agree with mine, and I don't agree with yours.

        I will leave it at that--I am not a debater, and I have no interest in becoming one. smile

    29. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      I am not debating you.  However, being a loyal Democrat is not bad as this is the party that represents most of the change I am for, such as health care reform.  Never said you were unrealistic, but I know people like to state that those who belong to a certain party are.  You can be an independent, but I prefer to vote for candidates that belong to a party that promotes ideals I am okay with.  Clinton, Gore, and Obama were all candidates I wanted to see in office, and they were the best ones running in those years.  Believe it or not I was not overly excited about John Kerry, but I wish I had not been apathetic and not voted for him.  If more people had voted for Kerry maybe we could have kept Bush out of office.  Obama was the best candidate this time around, and I do appreciate his work towards change.

    30. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

      http://www.ricksguitarschool.com/web_images/drunkhilbilly.gif

      Ah'm a votin' fer Palin muh self.  She got a purty mouth.

     
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