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The undeniable positives to Obama's adminstration

  1. RKHenry profile image80
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091222/ap_ … 1lc2FsZXNz


    Got anymore you would like to add???

    See how far we can get concentrating on the positives of this administration thus far.  He has done a really decent job, and I'm not sure how his ardent critics cannot admit that. How about that?  Let's talk about that for a minute or two.  Could it be the Obama is the right choice, and that you are just afraid to admit you were wrong?

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      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sure it's good when people can buy homes, but lets not forget what caused this economic collapse to begin with, securitized mortgages from high risk borrowers! The jury is still out on the Obama administration, but I believe by the end of his term we will see economic armageddon unprecedented in our history!

      1. IntimatEvolution profile image84
        IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not sure what you meant by that.  Could you explain your thoughts? I could not agree more!

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          Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Sure. Obama has increased spending at an unsustainable rate. In spite of the CBO report on the health care bill claiming the deficit will be reduced, I can tell you unequivocably that will not be the case. The CBO bases their numbers on the assumptions proposed in the bill being accurate. When has the government EVER been accurtate reporting costs or revenues? NEVER! On it's face the cost as reported 1 trillion over ten years is a lie! The money is collected for ten years but the full benefits don't kick in for 5, so it will really cost 2.5 trillion at least but will likely cost much more!
          Then there is carbon cap and trade another huge tax on the middle class that this administration claims will have negligible effect. But even AEP has said their costs will double which is what they must then pass on to consumers. Obama himself in his campagin said that fuel costs must rise significantly in order to combat global warming. Then there is the bailouts and the stimulus. The good news is we spent 200 billion less then we expected, but instead of reducing the debt they are going to spend that again! Fiscal policy is in a shamble! The treasury has increased the money supply by 120% unprecedented in history! This doesn't bode well for future inflation. In addition the health care bill and carbon cap and trade are job killers. Less jobs means less tax revenue, means more borrowing from China to finance ever bigger government. There is already talk at Moody's about downgrading the credit rating of the USA leading to higher interest rates. All this uncertainty is also restricting hiring and spurring talk among nations holding our debt to consider scrapping our currency as the standard in trading things like oil. There is a real risk that Obama will bankrupt America, and that economic collapse will lead to social unrest.

          1. atil profile image60
            atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            These guys would praise him if he was caught raping a duck.

            1. William R. Wilson profile image60
              William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes and some here would still hate him if he saved their children from  a burning house, threw all nuclear bombs into the sun, discovered the cure for cancer, and gave every person in the world a million dollars.

              Obama has done nothing to deserve the hatred that you heap upon him.

              1. atil profile image60
                atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You are right, he deserves more, thanks for setting me straight!

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                Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Don't mistake disagreement for hate. I don't hate Obama, in fact I'm sure he's a nice guy and really believes what he is doing is right However, I couldn't disagree more with him, or any of the democrats on what they are doing! Their policies have been proven wrong by history and we are all going to pay a price for their pig headed march towards socialism with the expansion of government and loss of freedom that accompanies it with the misconception that they are somehow "serving the betterment of society"! It's arrogant and an outrage that Obama should presume to know what is best for our country instead of leaving those decisions to be determined by individuals free to act on their own accord!

                1. atil profile image60
                  atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I tend to hate people who want to destroy my country, I'm just weird that way.

                  1. RKHenry profile image80
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    So what, were you in love with McCain?  Now that's scary.

                  2. Sufidreamer profile image83
                    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Did you ever meet tksensei? I think that the two of you would have had a lot in common wink

                  3. William R. Wilson profile image60
                    William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    This is what I'm talking about - where did you get the idea that Obama wants to destroy the country?  That's absurd!  Do you think that the millions who voted for him and who still support him also want to destroy the country?

                  4. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You're referring to the leadership of the GOP I assume.

                  5. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You can say "I'm weird that way" again, and several other ways as well, no doubt.

              3. RKHenry profile image80
                RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I concur.  Very well put.

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you know anything about how we became the wealthiest country at one time?

                  I will give you a hint, it starts with free.

              4. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Precisely! Obama and Clinton have done more to move America forward than has been achieve in many years. The economy had little to do with this admin with wars already costing billions a day. It will take America time to recover. With the loons attacking every single change made and then telling lies about outcomes, America has the most partisan opposition I know of, and that includes Australia's pathetic "liberal" party under the "leadership" of a guy known as "The mad monk" who wants compulsory bible lessons in schools and a "what climate change?" view of the world. lol

                1. sooner than later profile image61
                  sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Moving forward? haha the horse is walking backward- you only think its going somewhere. Its got a full load of crap to dump on a sinking ship. Its been fun Americans, but it didn't last long.

                  1. JYOTI KOTHARI profile image74
                    JYOTI KOTHARIposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    No one, whether Obama or anyone else can bring America up! Americans are not financially intelligent according to a poll in my hub about financial problem and economic crisis of America.

                    It is better to educate oneself then to blame any one else.
                    Wish all a very happy new year.
                    Thanks,
                    Jyoti Kothari

              5. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                What annoys me is that the obvious answer to the issue is that he represents a mixed bag... and those who say "impeach!" or that he is going to bring about economic armageddon etc., just look silly.

                You don't have to like him, or his policies, but come on, compared to what you just had, I mean, really...

              6. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                William,

                Didn't Bush get worse publicity?

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                  Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  After it became apparent how badly he was screwing up Bush did get a lot of criticism, but not immediately after his inauguration.

                  1. William R. Wilson profile image60
                    William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    What Ralph said.   He started to get some bad media coverage after the Iraq war but it didn't really start until after 2005.

                  2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Ralph,

                    I think you forgot the debacle in Florida. Bush was getting it badly before h took office.

                  3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Ralph,

                    It stared before he took the oath, remember Al Gore?

            2. Paraglider profile image89
              Paragliderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              What an unpleasant remark.

              1. atil profile image60
                atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry

              2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Especially for the duck, quack!

    2. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lol Are you serious? lol

    3. TMMason profile image73
      TMMasonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No. He isn't, and we are not.lol

    4. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The above is what you use as your BEST positive! Evidentially you do not understand what a positive is. Prices of houses are going down, economists "think," unemployment, etc. Don't you see what tax cuts can do?

    5. tobey100 profile image58
      tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No one has yet to name one solid accomplishment.  He's proposed tons.  He's made lots and lots of claims.  Where are the accomplishments?  This coming from a non-political creature who imply wants to be left alone until the socialists take over.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Tobey100 "No one has yet to name one solid accomplishment.  He's proposed tons.  He's made lots and lots of claims.  Where are the accomplishments?  This coming from a non-political creature who imply wants to be left alone until the socialists take over."



        Tobey may have been watching too much of Glenn Dreck and Sean Ins-hannity!

        http://www.google.com/search?q=Media+ma … =firefox-a

    6. MikeNV profile image73
      MikeNVposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Dumping Tax money into the private sector to finance growth isn't a positive, because it is not real growth.  And the positive numbers being reported are still far below REAL numbers that occurred in the past.

      These false economies are a scam.  When you throw $100 billion at a problem, then use only $60 Billion you were approved for you didn't save $40 Billion.

      Team Obama is nothing more than Spin Doctors.

      If a market is not surviving on it's own subsidizing it only delays the inevitable.

      There is an old episode of "Married with Children" where Peg Bundy starts selling cosmetics on commission.  She starts making all kinds of money.  How?  By purchasing the cosmetics herself.  She thought that was "profit".

      This is the current mode of operation of the Government.

      The Government produces no GDP.

      The Government is a tax on the people. All the funds thrown at the Housing Market will do nothing to fix the problem.

      This is nothing more than a distraction.  The USA is Bankrupt.

      The Government is just trying to buy time while they work for the "Invisible Government" which is trampling the United States Constitution and working to devalue the dollar to the point they can make a plausible argument to the uneducated to get rid of it.

      Obama does not work for the People, Obama is the Bankers Puppet.

      The uneducated are quick to buy into the lies.

      Obama has kept none of his campaign promises.

      http://hubpages.com/hub/Did-Obama-Really-Say-That

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Dumping Tax money into the private sector to finance growth isn't a positive, because it is not real growth.  And the positive numbers being reported are still far below REAL numbers that occurred in the past.

        These false economies are a scam.  When you throw $100 billion at a problem, then use only $60 Billion you were approved for you didn't save $40 Billion.

        Team Obama is nothing more than Spin Doctors."

        Obama is applying orthodox economic measures, and the economy is improving as expected.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image84
          IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I agree.  The housing market is booming in my state.

      2. tobey100 profile image58
        tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, what he said!

  2. IntimatEvolution profile image84
    IntimatEvolutionposted 7 years ago

    I think he has done a really good job at healing US and Russia relations, along with many other countries that Bush had trouble handling.

    I also have to comment on the fact that I have several new housing projects going on in my neighborhood.  If the housing industry is good, that means our economy must be doing good too.  They do go hand in hand.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Intimate,

      Not necessarily true. They may have received a special loan price temporarily and must build now. I have a relative that HAs to build a hotel, even though he doesn't want to. The city passed a zoning law, he owns the land and he was told he has to build it or he can lose the land.

  3. Sufidreamer profile image83
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Hey, RK - Hope that life is treating you well smile

    Here's one: Hillary Clinton brought about better diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia, no mean feat considering the history smile

    EDIT: RK and IE are here - it is just like the good old days! smile

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah man, what the hell?  It is good to see you on the forums today.  Real good!!  You know you're right, though I must have to admit that I'm not tuned into Turkey's dealings- but a positive it is.

  4. Sufidreamer profile image83
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    hehe - stayed away from the political forums for a while - when the level of debate becomes "you're a poopyhead," it is no fun.

    Here's another: Hillary Clinton is working hard to improve international women's rights.

    Looks like Obama picked a capable Sec. of State big_smile

    1. d camp rant profile image59
      d camp rantposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think a good place to start would be Iran, what do you think?
      where are the gay rights activist & womens rights activist at for their "people" in the middle east? besides safe, in san fran?

  5. Lady_E profile image82
    Lady_Eposted 7 years ago

    It's nice to read a Positive Thread about Obama for a change. Rome wasn't built in a day. smile

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol but it crumbled faster. big_smile

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Lady,

      How long do you want to give him, be specific. People used to say; "give him a year." Well it's basically a year. Wait until you find out all that is in the Stimulus Bill." He will go down in history as the worst President ever, if written correctly.

      States are saying they won't pay medicare for Nebraska, Nebraskan's don't even want this.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago

    It's not just Obama either! Our constitution has been trashed since Lincoln fought the Civil War to prevent the southern states from secession! Obama is just the latest and dare I say, the boldest yet to convert America from a free republic to a country dominated by a central federal authority with control over every aspect of our lives! When will you people wake up and see what is happening?? When will you realize the change you voted for was submission, to wear the shackles of servitude to a bureaucracy?

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      So he had the final signature signing the Patriot Act into law- that bastard!lol

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        Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah and he voted for it as a senator! That's change you can believe in!

        1. RKHenry profile image80
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But not as a PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          I hate people who hate, I'm weird that way.

          1. atil profile image60
            atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Brilliant

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            Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What are you talking about??? Yes he did sign the extension with enhanced powers no less!!!

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yip, most certainly did do that.

    2. Misha profile image76
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Some of this forum participants will wake up only in concentration camp. Unfortunately we can't change that Poppa. sad

  7. William R. Wilson profile image60
    William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago

    Let me say first that I believe in dialogue.  I think most Americans have good hearts whether they support Obama or not.  And I'll admit to having said some pretty mean things about Bush a few years back.

    But that said:  It makes me angry and sick to hear people talk about Obama this way.  Some of the things Sandra Rinck has written about him are just vile.  She even used a faked video of Osama bin Laden in her most recent hub, to prove her point. 

    That's messed up! 

    All these people who claim to be patriots, who screamed at me for being a traitor when I didn't support Bush's war in Iraq, now they can't shut up about how horrible Obama is, how he's a closet muslim, how he wants to destroy America.  You're talking about the President, people!  Wake up!  You are ridiculous! 

    You are afraid of anyone who's different.  Because Obama has a nuanced, position on foreign policy you think he's a traitor?  Because he shows respect to other religions and other heads of state you think he's a Muslim? 

    Obama not a stupid pretend cowboy like Bush was - thank god!  So he can't sprinkle his magic fairy dust and fix all the problems Bush created - get over it!  This country is F***d and it was long before Obama was elected.  It's going to take a while to fix.  Face it.  Stop being crybabies because your guy didn't win.

    1. atil profile image60
      atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      roll  Translation- "Shut up, you can't speak your mind as a free citizen of the United States because WE are in  control" Yes Mein Fuhrer!

      1. William R. Wilson profile image60
        William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nope - actually I want you to justify the hateful things you are saying.  Go ahead.

        1. atil profile image60
          atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Just as soon as you justify your remarks about Sandra Rinck, who are you to determine what is hateful?

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
            Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Have you read her hubs? They're pathetic.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You have to be kidding me!  All that stuff out of the man you love to defend.  But hey, you wont take it as an opinion, you wont believe the words that came right out of his mouth... what will you believe?  The things you hope he will do? 

      Stop slandering me and calling me a liar please.  You had no right to bring me into this based on your assertions that you think I somehow made up fake videos of Bin Laden and all the other videos with Obama in them saying what he says.

      1. William R. Wilson profile image60
        William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sandra, you posted a video of Osama Bin Laden supposedly saying that he shares friends and supporters with Obama.  You claimed that the video was factual.  In fact you began your hub with it.

        So you are attacking the President of the United States based on the supposed words of Osama Bin Laden?  Are you serious? 

        You might have had some interesting points to make, but posting that video first just destroyed any credibility you might have had.  Not only that but I find it disgusting that someone would take the words of Bin Laden and use them to attack the President. 

        Here's what you wrote:

        "So... they "both have friends who blew up the pentagon".  Interesting, very interesting.  How is it that Bin Laden, the most wanted man in the world (or at least America) not only comes out of hiding and congratulates Obama on winning the election but also states that they have mutual friends who "blew up the Pentagon"?

        Wait a minute, I am not done.  Bin Laden cannot wait to meet with Obama so he is willing to, um... so does that mean Obama knows where he is?  Let's just think for a moment folks.  They have mutual friends who blew up the Pentagon, Bin Laden, the man who cannot be found wants to meet with Obama.

        Wait, again... "I am looking forward to meeting with President Barrack Obama without preconditions to negotiate to our demands or submit or die.  We have much in common, the same supporters, the same allies, and we both have friends who blew up the Pentagon. "

        So - you think that Obama and Osama are friends?  On the basis of a faked video? 

        Disgusting and ridiculous, simultaneously.

  8. Sufidreamer profile image83
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    hehe - Time to get the popcorn out - this should be a good debate to follow, as long as the smell of unwashed dog disappears from the thread smile

    1. atil profile image60
      atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Still have the wrong alter ego

    2. Misha profile image76
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pass me some please. Wanna some ouzo? wink

      1. Sufidreamer profile image83
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Cheers - don't mind if I do - this is a great spectator sport for us non-Americans.

        How have you been keeping?

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Can I have some too please? smile

          1. Sufidreamer profile image83
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Of course - plenty to go around. If we run out, I have a few bottles of home-made Raki stashed away.

            Hope you haven't got any plans for the nest few days big_smile

          2. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Sandy, please join us My Goddess smile

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you, I would like mine on the rocks.  smile

              1. Misha profile image76
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Great! Now, tell me please, what "on the rocks" means in this context?

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                  sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  lol, on ice not diluted... as strong as it can come. big_smile Of course besides just a swig from the bottle but since the ice is melting I guess a swig will do just fine. big_smile

                  1. Misha profile image76
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Thank you, learning something new every day. And no, a gentleman like me could have never thought about offering to a lady a diluted ouzo. smile

        2. Misha profile image76
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It gets mostly tiring lately, but sometimes yeah, it's entertaining LOL.

          I am doing great, thanks, how bout yourself? smile

          1. RKHenry profile image80
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Misha, what's up with the picture?

            1. Misha profile image76
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Some girl asked what kind of animal I am, I replied smile

  9. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 7 years ago

    RK, I will respect your hub and not say anything negative about our POTUS.

    I think it was great that because he ran for office, many citizens who had never before voted became engaged in the political process.

    BO is smart and well educated.

    He seems to be a wonderful father and family man.

    He kept his word about getting the girls a dog, and I think he made a great choice.

    I also believe he cares about the plight of the poor.

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      You know, I commend you on that behavior.

    2. JYOTI KOTHARI profile image74
      JYOTI KOTHARIposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He does not seem like a true politician as previous President Bush. he is not canning.
      He more looks like a common man, an emotional man.

      Thanks,
      Jyoti Kothari

      1. RKHenry profile image80
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Jyoti, I with you on this.  He is a compassionate man as well.

        1. atil profile image60
          atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          And he dresses nice, my mistake, he is most qualified to be President. roll

          1. RKHenry profile image80
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You know sigh all you want.  But those character qualities are what make a strong and good leader.  Look at Ghandi, Martin Lurther King Jr., Fredrick Douglas, Abe Lincoln, Ben Franklin...  So now I have to ask, are you just trying to be a hateful smartass to be one, or you in fact the poster child for one?

            1. atil profile image60
              atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I am pointing out that in fact he is not a good leader. He has done nothing more than continue along the same path as Bush, if my being a smartass bothers you then do not respond to my post, but they wont stop, that is what living in a free society brings, dissension!

              1. RKHenry profile image80
                RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                That is fine you wanting to point out what bothers you, however you might be able to achieve it more successfully without all the smartass hatefulness you spout across the phone lines.  Furthermore, I started this forum thread, so it is YOU that needs to ignore my threads and bud out.  If you don't like it, kiss my lovely black arse and get out.

                1. atil profile image60
                  atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow, you're a tough guy, picking on a girl.  Its "Butt" out not "Bud", bud.

                  1. RKHenry profile image80
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh I suppose to feel sorry for you now, and it is BUD!  I was trying to avoid backlash for using fowl lang. 
                    Sister, you don't have a clue and furthermore maybe you should before you start barking up my tree.  I don't fight with trolls, I report them over and over again.  Keep it coming.

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                  sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Is this what it is about, being black?  Seriously, I have to ask.  Do you think people are against Obama because he is black?

                  1. RKHenry profile image80
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    WTF???  I'm jewish too, want to include that in that horrible racist comment?  Shame on you.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Habee, do you realize that the Universal Health Care proposal was to provide health care to the 43 million Americans who could not afford it, right?

      Okay, the senate passed the bill with so many special ear marks to get the votes they needed but guess what?  Out of the 43 million only half would be able to be insured. 

      You want to talk about him really caring for the poor?  The poor are the ones being left out.  It was supposed to help everyone but it doesn't. 

      All that is is closing the gap between the middle class and wealthy.  To me, in other words, this is the makings of a two society social class system of government. 

      The Have's and Have Not's.  sad

      1. RKHenry profile image80
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Again, Obama is not responsible for that either.  The last Bozo put those motions into place.

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          Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          How uninformed are you??? Now you want to blame Bush for the health care mess???  You're delusional!

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          No, not exactly.  The Universal proposal has been on the table for at least 7 years and never passed because most of them could see the problems with it.

          Obama might not be responsible for it be he most certianly has influence and gone against his word about the way things should be working in politics in which case special ear marks was not supposed to be part of his new system. 

          What has happened is the exact opposite, more ear marks  and more spending.

          1. atil profile image60
            atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            At least you get it!

            1. RKHenry profile image80
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How long do you think Obama's been in power?  7 years?  I can understand why Miss posterchild might understand that, but come on Sandra you're smarter than that.

              1. atil profile image60
                atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, she is, you on the other hand....

                1. RKHenry profile image80
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  You are nothing but a wanna be, and nothing more than a troll.  You've be marked.

                  1. atil profile image60
                    atilposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    And that is the typical argument of a liberal, good luck.

      2. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, Sandra, believe me, I know all about BO's weaknesses. In respect to RK's topic, however, I chose to look for the positives about the POTUS. I'm am open-minded person who always tries to find the good in everyone.

      3. Ralph Deeds profile image71
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        With a little luck Obama will sign an historic health care reform bill early next year. The bill won't be perfect, not because of Obama, but due to cynical, partisan stonewalling by the GOP in an effort to "break Obama," and Blue Dog Democrats like Ben Nelson and the Judas Lieberman. Obama is doing a superb job of dealing with the bucket of shit passed on to him by George Bush.

        1. Mitch Rapp profile image60
          Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          He belongs in a bucket of shit, in fact, he deserves a bucket of shit!

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
            Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Why would you say that? Bush put the entire country in a bucket of shit. Obama's trying his best to get us out.

            1. Mitch Rapp profile image60
              Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How is he doing that? Spending money that we don't have doesn't seem to be working, but that doesn't really matter does it? What is the real endgame for the Democrats? It doesn't seem to be doing what the PEOPLE want.

            2. d camp rant profile image59
              d camp rantposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I wonder if the millions he helped in africa feel the same as you? Bush wasn't the best President, no one is perfect. but the media has cherry-picked what stories to publish.
              as for Obama; I do what he himself said- "judge me by who I associate myself with." So I looked into Sunstein, Jones, Wright, Holder, Jarret, SEIU, ACORN, and on and on. I have read their books on forced abortions,appointing Lawyers for animals to sue in court,"nudging" people into nanny state government systems. I have seen hours of youtube footage of these people praising Mao, using "green" jobs and laws to push the Cloward and Piven theory ( which if you look into they are implementing it right now)proudly calling themselves socialist & progressives. That is not what America is about. If you want that lifestyle, then move to Europe. don't try and force it on all of us.

              1. William R. Wilson profile image60
                William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Untrammeled power of the rich over the poor is not what America is about either.

                1. d camp rant profile image59
                  d camp rantposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  nice, ignore all the undeniable facts and focus on the last statement; thats where the pithy talking point best fits. ignore the facts and further the indoctrination; the rich are evil and bad. I wonder if those pushing the agenda give away the millions they make selling the lie that you can't make it(like they did) because of the greedy ceo's(that donate to their campaigns) and then bail them out (even when the majority doesn't want them to) your probably right though, we should steal the money from the rich and give it to the goverment to redistribute. that will work out well! one question; what happens when the wealthy 1% isn't wealthy anymore?
                  nothing will replace personal responsibilty and self-reliance.

                  1. William R. Wilson profile image60
                    William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    LOL pithy talking points. 

                    D Camp, I think if you take a look at things from a liberal perspective you'd see that we have similar goals - equality, economic opportunity, and so forth. 

                    The difference is in how we hope to go about achieving these things.  I could show you quite a bit of evidence that the free market way, which has been promoted by Republicans mainly but also by Clinton and other Dems, is destructive to these ends.

                    A look at history shows that the richest 1% are not going to go away or get poorer.  They never have.  They will always have the resources to protect, maintain, and grow what they have. 

                    Some books I recommend:

                    Dark Ages America, by Morris Berman

                    A People's History of the United States, by Howard Zinn

                  2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Personal responsibility and self-reliance are great and they may have been sufficient in the agrarian small town economy of the 17th and 18th centuries, but they're no longer sufficient in our interdependent national and world economy of the 21st century.

              2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                You sound like Joe McCarthy.

                1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                  Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Ralph,


                  You're old enough to remember McCarthy, no comprison.

  10. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 7 years ago

    hmm, why is it peoples ugliness comes out on these threads. they don't get very far...

    in every administration there is the good, bad and the ugly. not because of one man, but because government is a machine.  people see what they want to see. there's no reason to be ugly to express an opinion.

  11. jessicab profile image61
    jessicabposted 7 years ago

    Every one should give Obama a chance to see what he can do, besides we never had a saint for President.

  12. RKHenry profile image80
    RKHenryposted 7 years ago

    I look white Sandra so now what?  My grandmother is white so now what?

    Unreal. Unfreaking real.  That's like saying that you should be discounted on the fact that you are nothing but a stupid, white blond.

    1. profile image0
      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Dude that is wrong! What's the matter the girl won't pay you no mind?? Grow up!

    2. Mitch Rapp profile image60
      Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Some people shouldn't be in the forums its for adults you know?

      1. RKHenry profile image80
        RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        At least you look white, being black in a political forum with racists like Sandra around gets you no where fast.

  13. profile image0
    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    Misha, Sufi.  Can you make it a double please.

    1. Misha profile image76
      Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Here you have it smile

  14. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    10-9-8-7-6...

    1. profile image0
      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      more shots of Ouzo to go. big_smile

      1. Sufidreamer profile image83
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        10 is not a good idea wink

        http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Ten-Stages- … tain-Death

        Just as I was thinking that there was an uncharacteristic outbreak of sanity on the forums today...sad

        1. RKHenry profile image80
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You know Sufi, I won't stand for people insulting my intelligence or questioning my reasons for selecting someone- just because I'm black and he is black.  That's racism.  And no- I won't stand for it.

          1. Sufidreamer profile image83
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry folks, but in the interests of diplomacy and the fact that I like both RK and Sandra a lot, I am outta here. I love to learn about American politics and culture, from genuine Americans, but this has ended up like every other thread, recently - not the best advert for the US sad

            Going to find a quieter taverna to drink in. Later hmm

        2. profile image0
          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          lol, just trying to dull the pain. sad

          1. RKHenry profile image80
            RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What pain, the pain you've caused me and my black culture?  Aw- I didn't think so.

            1. sooner than later profile image61
              sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              How old are you?

          2. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Take it easy Sandy, I think he has a grudge to you since long ago, when he first appeared here. smile

            This is not to say you don't provoke a return hate by spreading yours sad

            1. RKHenry profile image80
              RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Are you kidding me?  Seriously, you are going to discount her racism and BLAME IT ON ME! 

              I don't think so.

              1. RKHenry profile image80
                RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Misha, are you too showing your support against racism, by defending her racist character questions?  Interesting how you play both sides of the fence.  Feel free to stick with the burn crosses and white sheets like that of the Sandra Rinck's around HubPages.

            2. profile image0
              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              hate?  really Misha you think that?  No matter, still love you. smile

              1. Misha profile image76
                Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Your series of anti-Obama hubs. What did you expect to get in return from his supporters? And love ya, too smile

                1. RKHenry profile image80
                  RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  This has nothing to do about supporting Obama Misha.  But since you two can so easily brush off her racist remark, and apparent stance by chuckling our woes away in warped attempt to show her support, I'll leave you two to it.  But still Sandra- just so YOU know I'm not the only black person out there who thinks you are a racist pig.

                  1. RKHenry profile image80
                    RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this
                  2. Misha profile image76
                    Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    The only racist on this thread seem to be you smile

  15. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 7 years ago

    RKHenry, why is it so difficult for you to see that Obama is a failure? Is it because you still have faith in him no matter what he does, along with the fact you likely share his failure ideaology?

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This for me has nothing to do with Obama.  Sandra's racism has nothing to do with my support or lack of support for Obama.  Why don't you ask Sandra, why she is judging us blacks so unfairly.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Why are you changing the subject. Separate your anger like a human. Why are you so upset over forum comments and need to report everything?

        1. RKHenry profile image80
          RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Separate my anger over racism, is that what your telling me?  I will do no such thing.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Your cure to racism is hate? I thought you were religious? You going to fight every person you think or is racist? Where is the logic in getting so worked up over forum comments that you outcast yourself to the entire thread?

  16. sooner than later profile image61
    sooner than laterposted 7 years ago

    Good thing no spears are laying around.

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And yet that notion of proper character has been met in silence.  Her motives and actions are quite clear.

  17. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    It wasn't racist RK.

    1. RKHenry profile image80
      RKHenryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Whatever... it was, 100's of others on Brown's campus think so, it was and it is.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You always go along with what the "others" say? Maybe that is why you still have faith in Obama.

        1. sooner than later profile image61
          sooner than laterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          stop being a continual irritant. You are the Hemroid of Hubpages.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

            lol I think that would make you a bleeding one with all the straining you do to think.

            1. Misha profile image76
              Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lollol

      2. Mitch Rapp profile image60
        Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nope, nothing racist about it. Let me guess, now I'm racist for having that opinion?

  18. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    What is Brown's campus?

    And why do you think it is racist?

  19. Petra Vlah profile image62
    Petra Vlahposted 7 years ago

    Trusting the Constitution and hoping that politicians will do “the right thing” got America in trouble and the democratic system in jeopardy.

    It is naivety or apathy? What about a little bit of both?

    With little or no enough civic conscience America is still trusting the elected representatives, all of them carrier politicians; never mind we had more than enough proof of their corruption and their inefficiency. We are still hopping against hope!

    The health bill is a perfect and painful example; motivated by the desire of being reelected for another term, Congressmen from most states played their card to ensure they are coming back to Washington; our health and the wellbeing of an entire nation took second seat.

    The scare part is that most members of congress nonchalantly admitted not to have read the health bill; they voted blindly.

    I know they have never heard about reading between the lines, but voting without reading it at all is criminal.

  20. Colebabie profile image60
    Colebabieposted 7 years ago

    RK, seriously, quit throwing that word around. It is a very serious accusation. And while you have feelings that she is, no one else here feels that way. So quit bashing a woman that you just have a personal beef with.

  21. profile image0
    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Posting for shock value, Cole.

  22. MikeNV profile image73
    MikeNVposted 7 years ago

    He's a one term president at best... if he makes it that far.  That's a huge positive.

    Obama is just a mouthpiece for the Bankers and Corporate Wealth... no different than any other President.

    His shortfall is that he is President at a time when the Central Banks Fractional Reserve System has reached the Breaking Point.

    And like all Presidents instead of "fixing" the problems he just lies to cover up Business as Usual.

    Numbers have no Political Affiliation.  Numbers can not lie.

    The country and it's people are Bankrupt.  The current Monetary System put into place by the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 has collapsed on itself.

    If you can not educate yourself as to the way the Federal Reserve System works... then you will just continue into the abyss.

    So it really makes no difference if you like Obama or you don't like Obama.

    Nothing he does will prevent the complete economic collapse unless he addresses the real issue - the Central Bank.

    People don't want to understand what is going on... they want to put their trust in some guy who talks the talk... but couldn't walk the walk if he wanted too.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How do you fix the Fed. Reserve?

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Only surgically. Amputation smile

  23. mikelong profile image84
    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    This isn't the case at all..the "government will take care of you" theme is a farce.

    It has been the tool of government that has been able to try to counter (albeit very unsuccessfully) the individual and collective economic and social destruction of the majority of Americans by private interests, whether they be coal mine operators, bankers, and even politicians.

    Remember, it was the Federalized National Guard who escorted African-American students into universities/schools in the 1960's. It was the government that had to go to war to end slavery (though its motives were actually true), its the Dream Act, Assembly Bill 540.

    When slavery was legal, while Native Americans were forced to remain on reservations, or paying white men to bring in the scalps of "savages"...this is the government "taking care of people."

    Government itself is a tool. How it is used is another matter. Can it be used wisely?...yes, and it is beneficial to have a balance between public and private authorities...but many, many Americans don't, in my opinion, have a very good perspective on what "government" and "private" really stand for or mean.

    1. William R. Wilson profile image60
      William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes.

      Government is run by the people.  We are so afraid of it but it is us, it is run by us, it is controlled by us! 

      People want to give power to private interests because they fear government power - but government power is public power - owned by the public.  You, me, everyone. 

      I can exert a certain amount of pressure on the government.  It's harder to do that with a private corporation.

  24. mikelong profile image84
    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    This government isn't truly "by the people" either, in my opinion.

    In the mid-19th century the Ottoman Empire, besought by internal and external problems alike, initiated a period of civil reforms that enabled non-Muslims of the Empire to gain equal status with their Muslim counterparts. They were able to join the military, which was the beginning step into a larger civil service career, and were able to gain representation in the national assembly, which had never existed before.  This is known as the Tanzimat period.

    Now the Sultan/Grand Vizier power structure stood, somewhat, on the sidelines while the legislature played around. Yet, when all was said and done, it would be the power of the dominant foces in Ottoman society that would have the final say. Temporary civil rights would lead to a backlash of intolerance and government sponsored genocide against minority populations.

    The government seen, or not, in "Celia; a Slave", or viewed through the testimony of former slaves in "My Folks Don't Want Me To Talk About Slavery" is closer to the true face or image of "America" in my view, and any inroads that reform have made can be eroded, and I believe that this is already occurring.

    It was Civil Rights legislation that enabled minority populations to gain access to institutions opposed to their presence...now with the extent of fee increases (just looking at California schools alone) and enrollment cuts, it will be increasingly difficult for those kept in disadvantate to gain access.

    Yes, kept in disadvantage....I went to a middle school that was treated by the district like trash and to a high school that the district prized. Just the difference between the teaching of Algebra alone is a testament to what I am saying....and the educational system that numerous politicians state was the "best in the world" at one point (uh-huh) has crumbled as "white" students have largely opted out via movement to other areas or transferring to private schools.

    Long story short, these patterns are cyclical, but what does will the other side of the pendullum swing look like now? The ugly face of "America" hasn't been publicly viewed for over half a century....

  25. repstrydiefly profile image73
    repstrydieflyposted 7 years ago

    Why does it matter if he's doing anything positive? He is a PUPPET of the New World Order. ONE WORLD currency, ONE WORLD Government, and ONE WORLD religion will be taken into effect SOON. Obama just cares about the MONEY and POWER. Understand that the ILLUMINATI pays him to do what THEY want him to do. He DOESN'T make any decisions for US to benefit off of. When will you people do research behind the TV and his "actions"? Maybe you won't believe me though, because your mind is being controlled by THEM. LOL you sheep are so funny. OOOBBBAAAMMMAAA!!! OOOBBBAAAMMMAAA!!! CHANGEEE!!! CHANGEEE!!! lol keep worshipping evil, and you will see what eventually happens. It's only a matter of time, and the revolution isn't looking very successful right now. Every second is one increment closer to NO FREEDOM. I'm not hating Obama, because he is being controlled too. Money can do powerful things haha. And I can't believe how many people have no clue.

  26. repstrydiefly profile image73
    repstrydieflyposted 7 years ago

    Republican and Democrat is just PARTIES to DIVIDE the PEOPLE or US. Don't you understand?

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely! Have any ideas to counter it?

      1. repstrydiefly profile image73
        repstrydieflyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I honestly suggest that people open their mind to see the truth. If you already know the truth, then try to get the people to work together instead of bickering about religion, race, political parties, social status, etc. Those are all just titles that represents EGO. We're all part of ONE humanity, so we need to work together through love, peace, truth, and positivity to eliminate evil. Spiritual Enlightenment would be a great start to eliminate evil in your own universe or life. Thanks for asking.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          We are really close in our understandings of the issues and I have preached the same message over and over again that we should relate on our similarities and not our own wants and likes.  The future holds a lot more for us if we relate to each other instead of finding faults and differences to divide us.

          I had to ask the question to see if you had some agenda you were married too and not some thumping crackpot trying to just stir things up.

          How do you open peoples eyes to see the corrupt nature of the government and its self serving agendas?

          1. repstrydiefly profile image73
            repstrydieflyposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well, I would have to say the best way to do that would be to show them evidence. Give them facts about what the government is trying to do, and that there is a higher power behind them called the Bilderbergs that want to depopulate the world to 500,000,000 people in the next couple of decades so it would be harder for them to rise up and revolt. They have already started this process with fluoride, aspartame, food additives, tobacco products, caffeine, vaccines, etc. These are all poisonous. Soon the New World Order will be put into place and then another Holocaust, so to speak, will be in effect once mindful people all over the world start rejecting the evil authority. We need to stay healthy and prepared by eating organic food, saving up natural spring water (bottled), not giving up our weapon stash for self-defense against them, not accepting a "product chip" in our body for total control, stop accepting information from the television(and if possible stop watching the mind drainer), inform as many people as possible, and do your part by promoting peace,love, truth, and positivity. And truly when it comes to people accepting the truth, it could take forever. We were programed(Yes, like robots) to accept false lies and worship them through money. It might be too much for the normal, ignorant, brainwashed human to grasp or accept at first so give it time. You did your job by showing and telling them, now it's their job to figure it out on their own. Ok I hope you get the point, I will stop rambling on haha. Peace,Love,Truth,Positivity

            1. JYOTI KOTHARI profile image74
              JYOTI KOTHARIposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, I am agree with you by and large. The capitalists, investors and business tycoons are trying to control us. We all are after freedom but where is the freedom. Our lives are controlled by the financial institutes. We are working hard to fill up their funds.
              Governments are helping them making policies in their favor. It is the right time to awake and be aware.
              Take control of your own life !
              Thanks,
              Jyoti Kothari

 
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