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Why is everyone so negative on Obama?

  1. kmackey32 profile image84
    kmackey32posted 6 years ago

    To be honest, I don't watch much TV at all. I don't have time with work and kids, but all I know is he gave my family unemployment in time for Chrismas or my kids wouldn't be having a Chrismas and because of him I am getting 1,400 tax credit for buying a 14,000 home and more in taxes when I file. I also have no medical insurance which he is pushing for medical reform. I just wanted to know what is it he is doing that is so bad? I wasn't sure if I am missing anything.

    1. Bradley Chapple profile image59
      Bradley Chappleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think that Obama had a HUGE mess to clean up when he took office (and still does).  The economic ups and downs we have experienced over the last year would have happened under anyone's leadership.  The gears were already in motion.

      Everyone seems to give the President far too much credit for the good (and bad) that happens in this country.  You think Bill Clinton was responsible for the economic boom we experienced in the late 90's?  No, he just happened to be in office when the World Wide Web took off.

      Long story short, dispite Obama's grandiose campaign promises, he can only guide the country.  That's what a leader does.  Remember that this government is not a dictatorship, and we are ruled by THREE branches of government.

      Yes, I voted for Obama... but, I'm not delusional.  He's not perfect.  Almost everyone in government is corrupt to some degree.  Perhaps Obama is too.  But, do believe that he better than the alternative?  Yes.  Yes, I do.

      1. kmackey32 profile image84
        kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes everyone is only human, everyone will make mistakes. I just dont think he is that terrable. I thought Bill was for the Head Job he got. What happen to morrals????????????????

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      Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why are you unemployed? Because the government taxes business so much they are leaving the country! America has the second highest corporate taxes in the world, not very good when you are competing with the rest of the world for jobs. Worse, Obama's plans will make those taxes even higher, possibly extending your unemployment.

      It's nice you got a tax credit to buy a home. Hopefully you'll be able to afford the mortgage, but to get that credit, America had to borrow money from China and to pay that back America has to print money making the dollar less valuable for buying things that we must import, like oil which means you will have to pay more for everything, like gas, food and heat for your home.

      It's nice he wants to "give" everyone health insurance. The problem is, the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to do that. It is up to the states to provide that benefit if their residents want it as was done in MA and TN, before they realized that benefit would bankrupt the state. Now in order for you to get insurance, the federal government will force others that might not want to spend money on insurance to buy it against their will or be fined and possibly jailed! Clearly this is an impingement on individual freedom and the founding principles of our nation!

      1. William R. Wilson profile image60
        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Heh.  That's a good one. 

        American companies are sending jobs and manufacturing to China and Mexico because those countries don't have labor laws or environmental protections, and they can pay a tiny fraction of what they must pay Americans.  The corporate income tax has very little to do with it.  Any corporation that makes enough money to pay corporate income tax has enough money to hire an accountant and figure out how to minimize those taxes.

        Payroll taxes are a little more problematic, but it's a small price to pay for social security, disability, medicare, and unemployment coverage.  I'd rather my folks had Social Security and Medicare, thank you, and I don't mind paying for it.



        The borrowing from China started long before Obama. 

        And the bright side:  consumer goods will cost more, but our debts will be smaller in relative terms!



        The screwed up health insurance in this country is another reason corporations are sending jobs elsewhere.  It actually costs less to pay employees in Canada than in America, because their healtcare is paid for by the gov't. 

        Our current employer based insurance system is severely screwed.  Lose your job, you lose your benefits.  Not cool. 

        I'm not saying I know what the answer is.  Just that we need a fix.

    3. oldman1941 profile image59
      oldman1941posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I cannot speak for Americans that do not like our president.  I can only speak for myself.  It makes no difference who becomes our president.  They all must pass through the hoops of the capitalist hoop masters.  That means; wage wars on innocent countries so we can steal their resources, tells lies to the people about any news of these events.  Do all you can to stifle the work force and keep them in control and deflate their unions.  Be a master of propaganda and control all forms of media so it mirrors the lies you want to promote.  Obama does all that so I guess I do not like him either.  He is just another bought and paid for person freeloading in the White House and just happens to be black.  You will never see an Angels Davis or Malcom X type black person in the White House!

  2. livelonger profile image90
    livelongerposted 6 years ago

    Those that are complaining are the 46% or so who voted for McCain. (They tend to be loud) smile

    1. kmackey32 profile image84
      kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh so its just because they voted for someone else?

      1. SparklingJewel profile image66
        SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        of course not...everything the democrats are pulling in congress to pass this bill is unconstitutional

        everything they have done to pass this bill has been covert and very low...completely off the integrity scale of legislation, as I said, unconstitutional

        It's not just being said by those that didn't vote for him either...there are moderate democrats that don't approve of the procedures that have been going on...and all of the Republicans, except for 1 0r 2 are getting millions of email and faxes from their constituents to kill this taking away of free market healthcare and forcing people to purchase the health insurance they don't want...its the natioanlization of healthcare, a socialist agenda that half the country knows is not constitutional

        I could go on and on...it is not knowing that keeps this kind of stuff going on, citizens need to get involved, and stand up for their freedoms

    2. Misha profile image76
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lie. I did not vote for anybody. Sandra Rink voted for Obama smile

    3. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Some how I highly doubt that if McCain were in office people would be any better off financially.  Of course I am sure his supporters would have less to complain about lol.  Too many complainers really, and by studying history people will realize there are always ebs and flows in the economy.  I for one have no complaints about Obama, and commend him for dealing with all the garbage people are throwing his way. 

      Also, never mind it is in vogue to publish hubs saying he is born in Kenya, which is an out and out lie.  Oh well, if people want to slander someone, I question their motives.  They want attention.

      1. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A rare moment of agreement LOL. smile

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well glad you agree with me there.  I highly doubt people agree with much I have to say.  Even I am sick of politics really after receiving all sorts of fun messages in my mail box.

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            Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If McCain were in office I would definitely still have my $80,000 per year truck driving job.  But you're right; I'd have less to complain about (though I'm not complaining, just explaining).  And I definitely would NOT be writing on HubPages; that job took pretty much all the time and energy I had.

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Actually there is no guarantee you would have your job with McCain either.  If anything, my prediction is the economy might been worse under McCain.  However, I am glad to see the push for health care, and as someone who studies the ebs and flows of economy I do not see this as the end.

              This is still a great and wonderful country, and working within the system is the way.  I have a tremendous faith in this country, and I am not going to let job lose taint that.

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                Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I believe in this country, served in the military, vote, and pay my taxes.  I do NOT believe in Obama, and I don't feel particularly tainted by that lack of belief.

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  However, just because someone has not served in the military does not make them less American.  You do not have to believe or even vote in Obama, but it is incorrect to attribute the loss of a job to him.  The economy was mismanaged under Bush by the way, and that is how we got to this place.

                  1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    There wasn't 10% unemployment under Bush, this is Obama's economy, the days of blaming Bush are looooooooong gone.

                  2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Blaming it on either Bush or Obama is actually playing into the hands of those who were in fact really responsible -- the financial clowns who ripped you all off. To debate which politician poisoned the well is to miss the point entirely -- average Americans were kicked in the nuts by greedy, selfish, and highly UN-patriotic financial institutions. Let's point the finger where it belongs.

          2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Emailing you like that is below the belt. The whole point of forums is to air out our ideas to one another -- and to get pissed off at one another... publicly. This is one of the things that makes America great (I'm not American, or in America); in China, Hubpages wouldn't last five minutes.

            But taking it private is abusing the ideals America upholds. In that sense it is unpatriotic. The genius of the American system is supposed to be the granting of the opportunity to express views without fear of intimidation... so not cool!

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If they want to call women names and tell them they should have been aborted they are not real men.  A real man would never type that on a computer, so I just have chuckle if that is what they define as manhood.

  3. blue dog profile image78
    blue dogposted 6 years ago

    ummm, ongoing unemployment (see your op), record foreclosures that will only be eclipsed by the record foreclosures in oh-ten, war in afpak, war in iraq, an open sign still hanging at guantanamo's front door, extending pd-51, extending patriot act, ongoing non-improvement in the economy, a looming credit card debt fiasco,  giving a war speech in a peace prize acceptance setting.

    hopefully you're not missing any of this.

    1. dave272727 profile image60
      dave272727posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have to agree with you.
      The fact that he ran around the world apologizing was a slap in the face to a lot of people.  There are people that can't let the election go.  I voted for Obama, and I wish I hadnt.  MY biggest problem is that he has not done anything that he promised during his campaign.  No politician ever has for that matter.

      1. kmackey32 profile image84
        kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Things dont happen overnight though.

    2. brimancandy profile image82
      brimancandyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of what you are saying was created by the Bush administration, and republicans who are trying everything they can to discredit a popular president, even though a lot of the problems were created by the republican party after 8 years of prosperity under president Clinton, whom they also tried to burry under a sex scandal, because they couldn't find anything else to blame him for.

      But, we all Know that this really has nothing to do with the president. it is our bickering government that is to blame. They all can't agree on anything. So when a President like Obama comes along with good ideas, the hardline jerks have to do everything they can to stonewall him on every issue.

      This is one reason why other countries are prospering, and we are failing. Because our goverment only has one thing in mind, and that is self preservation, and getting re-elected, and not the needs of the people.

      If I was president I would be saying enough of this votoing BS.
      I have an idea, and were are going to do it. If you don't like it leave. And there would be no lobbiasts, I would throw them all out on their asses, and find people who want to do what is good for the country...and not what's good for Banks or the auto industry. 2 places where we got duped into believing there was a problem. only so they could give themselves bigger paychecks. Sound familiar?

      I knew a lady who was around 80 years old. She said this, and it is very true. We have too many chiefs and not enough indians. The Chiefs are so busy smoking their pipes, and talking about bullshit that nothing ever gets done.

  4. kmackey32 profile image84
    kmackey32posted 6 years ago

    But blue dog, this was going on before he came into office wasnt it? I did not vote for anyone either. Years ago I understood my vote don't count anyhow.....

    1. blue dog profile image78
      blue dogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      very true, but what has he done to soften the blow, to change the course, to instill confidence, and last, to fulfill campaign promises?

    2. pay2cEM profile image92
      pay2cEMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Are you all smoking peyote?  Give me a single idea that is Obama's and positive. That man is a train wreck.

  5. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs29/f/2008/057/5/c/Crazy_Old_Man_Mike_by_MichaelBills.jpg

    Cuz hees a muslim kenyan communist facist who ain't got the right respec fer the consty-tushin or the great white race.

    What are you, blind?

  6. kmackey32 profile image84
    kmackey32posted 6 years ago

    Seriously I'm not picking sides. I didnt vote. I really dont understand what all the hate on Obama is? If he did something specific please tell.

    1. SparklingJewel profile image66
      SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      read my previous post for starters...and its not hate on Obama, its the manner of actions just to look good and accomplish something

      1. kmackey32 profile image84
        kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What was unconstitutional? What did they do?

        1. SparklingJewel profile image66
          SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          did you read both of my previous posts?

          http://www.voteronpaul.com/newsDetail.p … aCare-2919

          1. SparklingJewel profile image66
            SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            again...

            1. livelonger profile image90
              livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Your link explains absolutely nothing.

              1. kmackey32 profile image84
                kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Ok but who wrote that article and how do you know it wasnt someone who was mad because they just dont want him as president. I guess I dont listen to everything I read. I need real proof.

          2. kmackey32 profile image84
            kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Who is he forcing to take healtcare insurance they dont want?

            1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
              Rochelle Frankposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If EVERYONE is required to take it -- there are bound to be some who don't want it, and don't want to pay for it for themselves and others.

              1. livelonger profile image90
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Kinda like Medicare, right?

                1. Rochelle Frank profile image89
                  Rochelle Frankposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Exactly.

                  1. kmackey32 profile image84
                    kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thats what I dont get. Theres people who have nothing right now. I would greatly appreciate anything that is givin to me and not be mad because that is not what I wanted.

              2. kmackey32 profile image84
                kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Ill take what I can get at this point. Something is better than nothing!

                1. SparklingJewel profile image66
                  SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I practice wholistic wellness and prevention of illness

                  there are no insurance plans that i have ever heard of that can work with that perspective. If I don't buy insurance I will be fined, if I still don't buy I will be put in jail...its in the bill

                  I am not going to do your research for you. get some perspectives from all sides of the situation so that you can decide for yourself...it really is important to get informed and seek out as many perspectives as possible, you are not going to find all the necessary information from the main stream media, they tow the administration's line...heck half the congress people have'nt read the entire 2000 page bill because they weren't given enough time to do so before they were called to vote on it

                  look at websites of the congress people on both sides of the isle

                  there are many people from the "sides" that have insiders getting information to disseminate to their groups to take action

                  look at C-Span

    2. Rochelle Frank profile image89
      Rochelle Frankposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You don't have to Hate Obama to disagree with him. Personally I wish him all the best in leading the nation, and i hope he turns out to be the best President we ever have had. I don't necessarily agree with his ideas on how to do that, so far.

    3. Presigo profile image59
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He pushed through a nearly one trillion dollar stimulus, omnnibus bill that was full of pork, took over american companies, racked up the larggest deficit in history, And now is trying to take over 1/6th of the economy with Health care reform, and he lied about not raising taxes on those making less than 250 thousand dollars

      1. livelonger profile image90
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very little opposition to that. Even among the Republicans. Please define "non-pork stimulus" please.

        Which ones shouldn't have been? Are these short-term or long-term interests?

        As a percentage of GDP, not even close.

        As he promised in his campaign...because that 1/6 of our economy should be more like 1/10 of our economy, like it is in every other industrialized country. (Do you like paying more for less?)

        How so?

        1. Presigo profile image59
          Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yhe stimulus by definition was to be spent to start the economy going again, 25 percent has been doled out and the majority has gone to states and cities to keep firemen, cops and teachers going a good thing, but it isnt STIMULATING to maintain what is already in place, Omnibus had more pork than any legislation in history, raising taxes on people making less than 250 thousand, for starters look at the taxes funding HCR, PAYROLL taxes not on only people making more than 250 thousand, Lied about transparency, none of these sweeping bills this year was made available toi the public for 48 hours prior to a vote, and those were his words

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      Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I read the first several posts and decided to at least pass on my perspective--which is extremely personal as Obama getting elected did very definitely hit me with a negative impact as follows:

      1.  During the campaign of 2008, I was driving on-off road big rigs in western Colorado, hauling water to gasfield drilling rigs.  It was a drilling boom that had gone for several years and had looked like it would go for several more at the very least.  A McCain/Palin win would have secured my employment because, quite simply, we knew they believed in drilling.  We KNEW Obama would be an absolute disaster for the energy production industry.

      2.  The drilling boom continued right up until Election Day and then nosedived (as we'd figured it would if Obama won).  In the two years I'd worked for my employer, the company had grown from a fleet off 21 trucks to over 60 PLUS another two dozen owner operators who leased on with their own rigs.  By February of '09, the owner operators had all been cut loose and our bosses were in survival mode.  I didn't get laid off but did lose 12 hours per week of pure overtime at $34.50 per hour.  There was no way to pull our belts tight enough for that, so my wife and I grabbed our little bit of savings, quit the job, and got out of Dodge while we could.

      3.  Our Colorado home, purchased new in March 2007, was sold at foreclosure on December 2.  I hold Obama personally responsible for that. 

      4.  His pushing for Health Care Reform is terrible for the country, but the personal "sharp end of the spear" (to which I'll limit myself) is the requirement in that bill to buy health insurance whether we want to or not, or be fined (and possibly face jail time if the fine is not paid).  Since when does the government have the right to command a citizen to buy ANY specific product?  It does not...unless we lie down like little doormats and let it happen. 

      5.  Although he has not yet pushed hard on this issue, Obama has been known throughout his years in public life as an extreme gun control advocate.  I am an extreme advocate of gun ownership without restriction.  On that issue alone I would oppose him adamantly.

      There's more...but you get the idea.

      1. livelonger profile image90
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why?

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          Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Because his policies tanked the energy industry and ultimately cost me the profitable portion of my wages, forcing my decision to either stay on the job until I could no longer keep up my payments...or abandon the house.  Either way, foreclosure during his administration was inevitable, the only variable being the precise timeline.  Additionally, when he visited Colorado during the campaign, he promised continued support for drilling (for both natural gas and, elsewhere, oil), but that didn't happen.  As those of us who saw through him from the start KNEW would not happen.  Parachute, Colorado, the boom town where we lived, is today a virtual ghost town.  Had McCain/Palin been elected, the boom would DEFINITELY have continued.

          1. livelonger profile image90
            livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It went from boom to bust in less than a year?! Something tells me you're leaving something essential out of this story.

            What exactly did Obama do to change the drilling practices in Colorado? Did he designate Parachute as a national wildlife reserve and forbid drilling? What *support* was the federal government supposed to give to keep the petroleum industry afloat there? Why was the state of Colorado not involved?

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              Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              This could get a lot longer than the average Hub--like most politically driven discussions, there are many details and intricacies in the overall picture.  However, a couple of those details:

              1.  The first and foremost impact had to do with confidence.  As those who voted for him felt confident he would give them healthcare and other liberal goodies, the business owners and managers were scared to death of him. 

              2.  He'd confirmed our worst fears when he selected Ken Salazar as Secretary of Interior.  Salazar, as a Colorado legislator, had for years been the loudest voice in the state in his attempts to halt all drilling on the Roan Plateau--where a vast portion of our business was being conducted. He wanted to halt even the drilling that was ongoing at the time, preserving the Plateau for wildlife and hunters only. 

              I worked many a shift behind a big rig's wheel on the Roan.  Berry Petroleum, Williams, and a few others made the operating rules.  No speed limit ever posted was above 25mph, and most of us drove those twisty, steep, dirt roads at 15mph or less.  Wildlife did not have a problem with our presence.  Rabbits and even young coyotes would often show up in the middle of the road and meander along with us for a while.  Black bears often strolled through actual drilling locations, sniffing around for possible snacks which were (standard practice) bear-proofed in locked containers.  Deer and elk abounded, and none were overly spooked by our low speed vehicular traffic.  Get caught speeding, and you were summarily fired.

              But Salazar wanted it ALL shut down.  Not a good sign to have him selected to run the show from Washington.

              3.  In complete fairness, Colorado itself did have something to do with the problem.  Some of their government types decided pass rules and regs--both at the state and at the county levels--which were increasingly restrictive for energy operators in Colorado.  A few such had already thrown up their hands and moved to friendlier places to drill such as Wyoming and North Dakota.  But most companies (Berry and Williams among them) were so far managing to work with those regs and committed to doing so on a continuing basis.

              Boom to bust?  "Obama dunnit."  More precisely, the ELECTION of Obama dunnit.  Add to that the selection of Ken Salazar to "boss" the drilling companies, and it was all over but the shouting.  When we left in April, the exodus from Colorado was so frantic that U-Haul didn't have a single car transport trailer available for rent in the entire state.

              So, to answer your question specifically, yes, he DID pretty much designate Parachute (and environs) as a national wildlife refuge and forbid drilling.  In practice, he did almost exactly that by putting a radical environmentalist in charge of the Interior.

      2. Misha profile image76
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Auto liability insurance anyone? License plates? State inspections/emission? Just to name a few closest to my interests. Don't fool yourself Ghost, the whole country is hooked since long ago...

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          Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Those examples are what the STATES make you buy, not the FEDERAL government. Remember, the federal government's power is LIMITED by the constitution. By the way, auto insurance is not mandatory, nor is it required by the state that you own a car. In many states you only have to be bonded ie a form of self insurance, to drive your own car.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your indignation and sense of outrage are once again selective and skewed.  I was forced to chip in on a predator drone that killed an innocent mother and child in Pakistan.  I would rather have those funds pay for an abortion for a woman whose life will be negatively impacted by her inability to financially overcome the obstacles placed in her way by Christian radicals, but I doubt you have much interest in defending that particular freedom.

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              Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I do, though, Ron.  Despite voting on the conservative side most of the time, I'm firmly pro-choice.  Limited choices for complex people in a two party system, and all that....

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I know.  You have once again foiled my attempt to brand all conservatives as thoughtless and cruel. wink

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                  Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Like it or not the very formation of the federal government was for the common defense of the nation. Of course it would be wise to avoid all war, but at least the administration of foreign policy is granted to the federal government by the constitution. That fact that you would rather kill an innocent child to save a person from a hardship brought upon by their own irresponsibility makes no difference to me except to show what kind of person you really are.

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    My statement certainly does show what kind of person I am, as your lie shows what type you are.

                    Your statement says more about you than anything  I have read from you to this point, (which is usually spectacularly ignorant yet mostly harmless).  You would rather our government act in accordance to your perverted interpretation of a document than allow a mother and child to live in peace.  What a wonderful philosophy.

              2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And despite being liberal (I suppose, on balance), I am pro-life, so there you are. Just shows the weakness of representative democracy - maybe we should move to a new, internet-driven forum-based type of democracy: hah, that'll never happen, Washington, London, Paris, etc., like things just the way they are...

          2. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Frankly I don't understand American love to state governments as opposed to the federal one. They all are governments at the end, and they all rob us as much as we allow them.

            Now, most states do require you have an insurance if you own the car. I do know that you don't have to have it if you don't have a car LOL. I am not saying it is as bad as obligatory health insurance, but I am saying it was a step in preparing Americans to obligatory health insurance. See where I am coming from? smile

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          Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You have a point, but I'm not fooled, and the points you raise are not precisely perfect examples.  Auto liability insurance is required ONLY if you have an auto.  In some areas, nearly 1/4 of active drivers run without insurance, and there are no penalties unless they are caught while being stopped for a traffic infraction or involved in an accident.  With the health care plan, coverage is required if you are ALIVE, so I guess you could argue that "having a body" is the SAME as "having a car".  But there is a difference, at least in my mind.

          I do agree that the whole country is hooked, but the so called health care reform push does take it from a simple to something more like Triton's proverbial trident.

          1. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah Ghost, as I replied to Poppa above, we are more or less on the same page here. I am just saying that it started not yesterday and not 10 years back, you guys lost your country long ago, and now we are witnessing a culmination of this process...

            1. marinealways24 profile image60
              marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The good guys of the federal reserve?

              1. Misha profile image76
                Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                They are definitely are a big part of the problem. smile

  7. kmackey32 profile image84
    kmackey32posted 6 years ago

    Ok first realize I am blond. lol
    I guess I just dont get it. Why does being democrate or Republican have to do with everything? We are all human. I dont understand why one has to be one or the other.

  8. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    There is more that he has done wrong as well, lied about open and transparent legislation and so on. The point is  he is doing a bad job, I dont know if he is hated, I think people who disagree with him feel decieved, me among them. I had hope that he would not be horrible as prez, but that is painfulkly obvious that I was wrong.

    1. kmackey32 profile image84
      kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Really? but how? And are there real facts? Other then what someone wrote or said?

  9. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    By the way he didnt give you unemployment for your kids Christmas, that comes from the state you live in, not the feds and the health care benefits wont be there for four years, but the taxes for them start next year

    1. kmackey32 profile image84
      kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The president forced the state to extend unemployment. He made it law from what I understood.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        When state benefits are exhausted, federal ones kick in.  This is what's known as a fact.  Haters and rabble rousers rarely acknowledge them.

        1. kmackey32 profile image84
          kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thats what I thought. Why dont they get that? I mean I am blond but it was the president who signed it into law.

          1. Presigo profile image59
            Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It was congress who passed the bill, and yes then he signed it, it only6 applies to those who have been unemployed for a long time and cant get work.

      2. Presigo profile image59
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        have you been unemployed beyond your normal benefit time ?

  10. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    Talk radio and Fox news are largely to blame.  They stir up the easily frightened and make large piles of cash for doing so.

    1. kmackey32 profile image84
      kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I kinda have this feeling that everyone is hostile because of what someone started as a rumor. I don't see any hard facts as to whats wrong. I have always learned never to believe what someone tells me withought hard facts because there could be motives behind it.

  11. kmackey32 profile image84
    kmackey32posted 6 years ago

    I dont think he raised my taxes any. I get alot back at tax time from what HR block estimated. The most I ever have in my life. That gives me more money to fix my home, buy my kids things and such therefor putting money back into the economy. Dont ya think?

    1. Presigo profile image59
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      HCR hasnt passed yet, and the taxes you got back were from the previous year, that would be bush you owe the praise to, kinda ironic isnt it

      1. kmackey32 profile image84
        kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No I didn't say I got them. Last years sucked. This was an estimated for when the year is over......

        1. Presigo profile image59
          Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Its fortunate for you that you are having a good year, I wish that more people were as well off now, it is sad whats happening

          1. kmackey32 profile image84
            kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yea I even bought a home. And when bush was in office the home that was in my husbands name forclosed on.

            1. Presigo profile image59
              Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Lets hope things continue so well for you, that would be good

          2. kmackey32 profile image84
            kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am not well off by far though. I make maybe 18,000 a year as a CNA. So i would not say by any means I am well off. And I have no health insurance with many medical issues.

            1. Presigo profile image59
              Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              hopefully you wont need medical attention for four years

              1. kmackey32 profile image84
                kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Oh well I have. The Ambulance has had to come get me and because of the wonderful US we live in they are forced to treat someone in medical need regardless of insurance or not. Its the law, even if I only had a sliver.

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                  sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yip, the government declared that it is unconstitutional to deprive health care to anyone in need. 

                  Uninsured people can go to the ER (which they hate because it cost more for some reason) and be treated regardless of insurance. The state provides what they can to the people in their state when it comes to health care. The feds do not have jurisdiction over the matters that are endowed to the states. Why change it?

                  Some are upset because they have to pay for the uninsured.  Add another 23 million to the insured pot who can barely afford it.  Who are forced to buy it, then they get pissed off because they are paying for the ones who cannot afford it.

                  Send the poor to jail because they are poor??? Noway!  You fall into that category.  So take what you can get now because like someone else said, you better hope you don't get sick in a few years.

  12. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Or more hopefully American will join the rest of the free world in providing high quality free medical care! smile

    1. kmackey32 profile image84
      kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes thats what I thought Obama was for? Wasnt he?

    2. kmackey32 profile image84
      kmackey32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      But ya know what earnest to be honest, if ya dont pay your medical bill it goes on your credit. When I bought my home the bank said He did not care about ANY medical on my credit, it meant nothing to him and I got the loan. Sounds like free medical too me. LMAO

  13. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    So Kmack, did you learn anything?  Have you been persuaded to hate a man who is trying to help?

  14. bojanglesk8 profile image61
    bojanglesk8posted 6 years ago

    I'm not sure. I haven't been following politics in ages.

  15. DeeBee3 profile image62
    DeeBee3posted 6 years ago

    we have the same problem over here with our P.M, Gordon Brown, ( UK ). Not everyone is going to be happy about a certain leader. You can't please all of the people all of the time, but you can please some of the people some of the time.

    You just have to give them a chance, let them get on with it, and then have your say when the next election comes up.In the meantime, it looks like we're stuck with 'em.

  16. athulnair profile image64
    athulnairposted 6 years ago

    Obama is a weak president, like Indian prime minister manmohan singh. Obama lied a lot to win the elections and he is continuing to lie even after everyone understood he was lying.

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just curious, but what specifically were those lies (don't get me wrong, I am not saying he didn't lie, but no examples come to mind, I have to say).

  17. livelonger profile image90
    livelongerposted 6 years ago
  18. Ken R. Abell profile image86
    Ken R. Abellposted 6 years ago

    For me it is pretty simple.

    He promised transparency & bipartisanship.

    He has not even come close to delivering on either promise.  It is simply politics as usual. 

    No change, no hope.  He is a run of the mill politician, not the transformative figure that was so slickly presented in the campaign. 

    But what do I know?

    1. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      See the Obameter Scorecard above. 20 compromises with an opposition that is intent on doing nothing but saying "no" to anything he does.

    2. Presigo profile image59
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ken as usual I agree with you. We were told this administration would be different, I am speaking primarily on the transparency and he fell so short on that alone.

  19. BobLloyd profile image59
    BobLloydposted 6 years ago

    It's for all the world as though a lot of Americans liked the quasi-radical talk of Obama after the stultifyingly dismal gibberish of Bush but were also recognising that the war-mongering of the previous administration was helping the US down the pan.

    Once Obama takes on the reins of government though, they get all worried about the idea that he might actually carry through some of those things, like reforming health care.

    But the right wing shouldn't have worried.  He won't do anything to really upset business, because like all reformist politicians, he's absolutely committed to business as usual.  As the business interests dig in, he'll compromise all along the line.

    On his very first day as president, he managed to find time to talk to the Haaretz newspaper where, despite the bombing of Gaza, he found it possible to explain that he would give Israel unconditional support - continuing the Bush line.  Many of us outside the US were amazed at his passive support for ethnic cleansing and expected a great deal more.

    Obama will be much more competent that the puppeteers behind Bush, and probably a bit more open, but the disappointment comes from those who thought he meant what he said, when in reality just like every reformist politician, they tailor their actions to the agenda of business.  It's crumbs from the table as usual for most folks, just a different guy sat in the big chair.  He has so much opportunity but the American way seems to be that profit comes before everything else, before principles, morality, justice, international responsibility, no matter what.

    Americans who don't think like that will find a lot to be disappointed by in the actions of Obama.

  20. Richieb799 profile image61
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    It could be alot worse for you americans, you could still have bush in power

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      Ghost32posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not even that would be worse.  Undesirable in some ways, yes, but not worse.  Now is worse.

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    Ghost32posted 6 years ago

    Meant to say "...takes it from a simple fishhook to something more like Triton's proverbial trident."

  22. Bard of Ely profile image88
    Bard of Elyposted 6 years ago

    Is it because he speaks a lot about change but doesn't make any?

  23. Mitch Rapp profile image61
    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago

    "By the way, auto insurance is not mandatory"

    It is in my State, no insurance no license

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It is in Canada too, though only collision insurance (I think this is true for all provinces, at least; certainly it's true in the provinces I've lived in).

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    Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago

    Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

    "They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    " The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
    -- James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794

  25. Mitch Rapp profile image61
    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago

    "Some how I highly doubt that if McCain were in office people would be any better off financially."

    You really think McCain would be talking tax raises,health care,cap and trade, etc? I don't, I think the ol pasty dude would be limiting the amount of money we spend not increasing it. I think he would be encouraging investors by dropping tax rates and he certainly wouldn't be apologizing for the US all over the Globe.

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, but yes the economy would be worse off.  People can decry the stimulus all the want, but the money from this program has saved quite a few jobs, and helped keep county and public facilities open.  Many people rely on their local and county police officers, sheriffs, libraries, and these are a few of the people that were helped by the stimulus.  These also happen to be major employers. By the way, when people are looking to blame the loss of their job on a candidate they do not like, they will find a way.  The economy was already heading downhill, and it would have been much worse without the stimulus.  Not to mention how the stimulus package will help to keep many teachers employed.  Do you want your kids in overflowing classrooms?

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I must be out of the loop. Did Obama raise taxes on anyone but the wealthiest section of the population -- because if he did that is not acceptable, in my book, as that was a campaign promise. I only ask based on Mitch's post.

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Even if he did raise taxes on the more wealthy citizens, good because often they do not pay their fair share.  Starting under Reagan the upper classes have had to pay far less than their fair share of taxes anyway.  Americans in general pay far fewer taxes than Canadians and Europeans, but people feel mad when they have to pay any tax.  I actually I am in a very high tax bracket from writing on Hubpages and other writing sites as an independent contractor, and I understood that all along.  I never even was upset about it, it is just the way it is.

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But still, he did promise not to raise taxes for anyone but the well-off. Someone making 80 000 dollars a year was not supposed to see a tax hike...

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              However, what proof do we have that Obama did?  I think they are exaggerating you see, I am probably very certain they are.  I would have to do some more research to ascertain this, but we have no statistics or studies showing if this were the case.   My taxes have been about the same, but in California Arnold and the California legislature did raise our state taxes.

        2. Mitch Rapp profile image61
          Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He raised taxes on everyone, Soda tax, cig tax, more to come.

          1. William R. Wilson profile image60
            William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Not the same as income taxes.  Sodas and cigarettes are not exactly necessities. 

            And it was congress that passed those taxes by the way.

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly and soda is not food.  I was laughing at that funny soda ad that implied the contributing loss of homes would happen with the soda tax, which people definitely should not drink for health reasons.  I drink it sometimes still, but recently lost fifteen more pounds when I stopped drinking it every day.  You are better off without those things.

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Congress signed it into law also? Thats why
                I tend to ignore you, The poorest in this Country smoke the most! The poorest in this Country have the worst diets and consume a lot of Cokes and Pepsi, so who do you think is getting hit the hardest with the taxes? Presidents sign bills into law! NOT CONGRESS!

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Just because you are poor does not mean you have to eat bad or smoke.  Actually schools and most employers are encouraging people to have a more healthful diet, and on my walk last night I saw plenty of high end cars going through the drive through.  Taxing soda and cigarettes, good, because anyone who buys those items cannot make the excuse of income for it.  I have not always been very well off myself, but I educate myself about better food choices.  As Americans we need to educate our country about eating more healthful because another large component of our large health care bills can be attributed to poor food choices, which in this modern world people do not have the excuse of making.  Do you know you can make lentils and rice for about a dollar, and this is a healthful dish that people can eat on any budget?  You can ignore me, and do you think I care?  Means nothing to me really.  Congresses pases it, and then the president signs it.  Wow, no caps in discussion, that is screaming smile.

                  1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I didn't say I was poor I said the Poor smoke and have the worst diets. But they as any American does have the right to do those things, raising taxes is raising taxes do you not understand that?

                2. William R. Wilson profile image60
                  William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, so let's keep soda and cigarettes cheap and make health care unaffordable.  So the poorest have the worst nutrition, the worst health, and the least access to healthcare.

                  Smart.

                  1. SweetiePie profile image84
                    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Some people refuse to realize that poor health choices are a waste of money now, for these products, and later on down the line because of poor health conditions.  I am not worried about someone's freedom to buy a 2 litter soda for under a dollar because as Bill Maher said if it is big enough to burp, you probably do not need to buy it anyway.

                  2. marinealways24 profile image60
                    marinealways24posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    lol You are very government dependent. Do you want them to wipe for you too? What does dependency create? Does the government think for you as well?

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                    Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    What everyone fails to see is that health care is NOT a right and that the dfederal government lacks the power to IMPOSE its vision of health care on the rest of us. That power belongs to the states and some states, like MA have exercised that power. If you want that benefit, you can vote for it by moving to MA, or you can petition your state representaives to provide it. The federal government CAN NOT impose it! Article 1 sextion 8 states:

                    Section. 8.

                    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

                    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

                    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

                    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

                    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

                    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

                    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

                    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

                    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

                    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

                    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

                    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

                    To provide and maintain a Navy;

                    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

                    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

                    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

                    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

                    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

                  4. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Lets charge those who can least afford it more!

                    "Real smart there buddy"

          2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well, these are tax hikes any way you cut it. Obviously. Can't argue with that.

            But I presume this is not your main beef with Obama. I never heard of a society that fell because its soda tax was too high... just sayin'

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Seriously he could have taxed purple tutus and I think some people would be complaining about that.  Congress wanted to pass this tax also, so if they are mad, be mad at everyone.  Personally with our health care costs taxing soda is not a bad idea.  It is a good source of revenue, and if people want to waste their money on this beverage that is the cost they have to pay!

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I am mad at everyone Democrat President/Democrat Congress and Democrat Senate, is there anyone else I should blame?

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Being mad at anyone is not healthful or positive!

                  1. Presigo profile image59
                    Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Complacancy is a healthier response than disagreement ?

                  2. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You said to be mad, make up your mind.

                  3. Misha profile image76
                    Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Which is neither healthful nor positive wink

            2. Mitch Rapp profile image61
              Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You asked if he raised taxes on those people he said he wouldn't, the answer is yes. Any other questions?

            3. William R. Wilson profile image60
              William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Obama promised no increase in the income tax for people who make less than 250,000 a year, and tax cuts for those below. 

              These are not income taxes.  They are entirely voluntary.

              Also - it would be interesting to see how his tax cuts for the poor balance out against the extra taxes they might pay for soda and other poison.

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                C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Dont forget unfunded mandates....

              2. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The poor don't pay taxes, how can they get a tax break?

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Very fair point. Is there an answer (not being sarcastic, btw)

                2. William R. Wilson profile image60
                  William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If you work, you pay taxes.  Medicare and FICA.

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    There's no minimum threshold?

                  2. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No, that money is returned at the end of the year in the form of an Income Tax check, and then because of earned income they get more back from those who pay in! The poor do not pay taxes, well, except the soda/cigarette tax imposed on them by Obama!

    2. William R. Wilson profile image60
      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      McCain would continue the policies of the Bush administration, which got us into this mess.

      1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
        Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How do you know? Oh yeah, President zero told you that would happen, way to go!

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No because I am an woman that reads, and I tend to take a more liberal view point of things than you do.  I am one of those scary liberals, and calling someone zero is the height of disrespect.  That is very telling really.

        2. William R. Wilson profile image60
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I posted quite a long response in another forum, detailing some of the factors which led to this recession. 

          You never responded, and here you are making the same claims that you made over there. 

          The building blocks of this recession started in the early 70s with Nixon.  Clinton bears some of the blame too. 

          Bush, however, was in office when the worst abuses took place.  His policies are failures - they are why we have 20% real unemployment right now.

          1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
            Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't read that post, couldn't care less about it. Nothing you said has anything to do with what I said. You have no idea what McCain would have done and only voted for him because you hate Bush. that goes for the young lady responding also. If you had put any thought into your vote or would look at it objectively you would have come to the same conclusion that so many have, voting for Obama was a mistake.

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              As an intelligent woman in my thirties who is well read on politics, yes I knew who I was voting for, and voted for Obama because of his competence and intelligence.  Actually the big part of the economic downturn was under Bush, and you can always trace ebs and flows.  You should not call people young ladies in a derisive way because many people are full of intelligence, at any age.  Just because we are well thought out and do not share your world view on conservative politics does not make us wrong.  Long posts also are better as hubs, honestly.

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Why don't you report me for calling you young lady? roll Long posts? Good luck...lady?

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Honestly I am not going to report you, but it was just the tone that was annoying.  As if someone that is young is not capable of forming a well thought out opinion, especially when this opinion diverges from your own.  Rolling your eyes, high silly is that LOL.

                  1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                    Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for not reporting me roll I wonder what the ban for addressing someone as Lady would be?

            2. William R. Wilson profile image60
              William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So you can attack my views on what caused this recession but you can't offer a rational explanation of your own?  Obama just gets the blame simply because he's the one in office.

              That's real smart there buddy.

              1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
                Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What do you think caused this recession? Mortgage failures brought about by Chris Dodd and Barney Frank! Intrusive Government brought on by every President ever elected! Wasn't just Bush, and Obama has made it worse. Not hard to see, unless, you just don't want to see, blinded by ideology?

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You are right. The organizations Clinton set up indeed were the ones (among others) that caused the mess. That is true. And it was interventionist.

                  And you are wrong. (You are both -- that is normal; it's called being a human being; I'm the same, I get some stuff right and some stuff wrong)... Canadian banks did not fall BECAUSE of government control and oversight. Yet they function as fantastically successful stocktraded corporations. And our recession was mild compared to anyone else in the world, and no bailout money was given to a bank.

                2. William R. Wilson profile image60
                  William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually I explained what I think caused this recession in that post that you disregarded on the other thread.  Shall I repost or will you just ignore it again?

                  You're forgetting about the Republican changes to the Glass/Steagall act which allowed banks to gamble on those bad mortgages.  Phil Gramm passed the law that changed Glass Steagall - and he was McCain's campaign advisor.

  26. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    Yeah, keep arguing whose candidate was better. That is exactly what they both want you to do, while running away with your money smile

  27. EmpressFelicity profile image85
    EmpressFelicityposted 6 years ago

    It doesn't matter who's in power, that national debt just keeps on going up:

    http://www.babylontoday.com/national_debt_clock.htm

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    Denno66posted 6 years ago

    Why doesn't anyone ever question the Big Corporations about their behavior? Do you honestly think the people set the policies that are and have been effect for some time now? We can vote all we want, but the Fatcats are running the show, no matter what party is in charge; as they are in bed with them anyhow. Conservatives and Liberals alike. Welcome to the wonderful world of Capitalism, folks.

    1. Misha profile image76
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because corporations are NOT supposed to report to voters. Governments are.

      1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
        Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I love capitalism!

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I love it too. It is a good thing, if you ask me. But capitalists are part of society, so like the rest of us, they have to follow the basic rules of a civilized community. Capitalism yes, of course; thumbs up to it. But no group or sector should be exempt from the rules of common decency. Rampant greed that bankrupts millions of normal people is anti-social, and if your society is America, then therefore it is anti-American.

          1. Mitch Rapp profile image61
            Mitch Rappposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Bankruptcy is part of the game, invest, lose, try again. Government is the problem, Government decided to bail out the Banks and auto companies. The Corporations didn't decide it, if you get greedy and fail then you should go out of business, what else can be said?

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What else can be said is a response to what I *actually* wrote.

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        Denno66posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And how did these people get into office? Who financed them? That was the point I was attempting to make Misha. big_smile

  29. silver lining 5 profile image60
    silver lining 5posted 6 years ago

    Bottom reason for the season of our discontent is the Federal Reserve #1, the Supreme Court Justice #2, Corporations #3 including Insurance Companies and junk food manufacturers, Pharma #3 and all the sold out politicians that like to fill their pockets at our expense by pushing their (Federal Reserve, etc) agenda.  To navigate the mess created by these entities requires the intelligence of a virtual genious.   I think Obama is doing the utmost he can without losing the whole game, it's called "check mate" mentality.

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    C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago

    Its the American way. Blaming the President for anything and everything. I can find 535 people more deserving.......

    1. Presigo profile image59
      Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed congress is as responsible as the president and should be blamed as well

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      Denno66posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Now there is a reasonable response.

  31. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

    Before I started writing online I would say my tax rate was about 20% of my income.  Last year it was about 33%, and I think it will be about the same.  That is a bit high for someone that makes my income, but as an individual contractor you pay more taxes overall since we do not pay through out the year.

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Now you mention it I think a substantial proportion of people in Canada pay something like 30 something percent in income tax.

      But I am still unsure about your UK example, because 23 percent doesn't seem that high to me (and I am pretty sure that the poorest income-earners in Britain do not pay tax, I think, at least...).

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        When I paid about twenty percent I usually got a refund of about thousand dollars out of that.  It was about twenty percent out of my actual check, but on my income tax return is felt lower.  That is why I am sure of my example.  Anyway, people complain way too much about taxes anyway.  Less complaining and more enjoying of the life I say!

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          People can get hit pretty hard by tax bills though. I am still shocked that there is no minimum income limit in the US, though.

          In Canada, if you make 40,000 dollars a year, you only pay income tax on 30,000 dollars of that (and, obviously, there are other deductions possible too. For a start, that is for single people; for married people it is adjusted differently).

  32. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    Most all surveys show that between 55 and 61 percent (cnn poll) are oposed to this bill

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Even if it is that high, which I am seeing according to gallup, I am going to say a big part of that is due to fear mongering.  Also, the people who do need health care reform the most are low income to middle income Americans.  I am all for a stronger public option, and being a liberal American does not mean our voices shall not be heard.

      1. Presigo profile image59
        Presigoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        why is it ok for congress to go against the peoples will ? If it were flip flopped and an issue you didnt support was being passed how would you feel ?

  33. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago

    because they cant wait....

  34. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 6 years ago

    I believe we do need more compassion, amen to that and health care needs to be fixed. This process is corrupt and because of that people have gone from supporting it to opposing it

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This sounds right (not that I am following the debate in Washingto too closely)

  35. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

    By the way people tell Americans who do not fit into their narrow world views to go to Cuba.  How dare you?  I as an American have the right to improve my country.  As I said people used to be against women voting, but we finally came around.

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They wouldn't let you in, anyway smile

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly!  However, that is the standard response I get from people.  Go to Europe, go to Cuba, or that I am a slag.  That was an interesting one.

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That last one would seem off topic, or at least to require substantiation...

          Actually, you must have a funny society, when one of your insults is "Go to Paris, Go to Rome, Go to an idyllic Caribbean island off the coast of Florida!" It's hardly "Go to Coventry" now is it!

          1. SweetiePie profile image84
            SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well some guy wrote me about twenty messages about this yesterday and called me a slag that should go live somewhere else or other.  I was just referring to the email I received yesterday.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Shouldn't you report this? Actually ValerieF pointed out that people are not as shielded as they might think, and that harassment via the Internet may soon become a crime....

              1. William R. Wilson profile image60
                William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes and I think when you receive an email via hubpages the ip of the sender is logged.  Just FYI.

              2. SweetiePie profile image84
                SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If it happens again I will, but I should not receive any more messages like that from that person.  I spammed their messages.

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You'd get better health care though.wink

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          As an American I have the right to continue writing my Congress representatives about wanting better health care in the US.  Also, I am part Kansa Indian, so I have more origins in this country than some people do.  Some of my ancestors were here before the Europeans came smile.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, but the Kansa Indians did not ratify the consty-tushin, so they really don't count.
            (insult intended for people of a certain limited viewpoint, not you Sweetie)

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I got your Ron smile.  Actually, I have been enjoying your responses.

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                We have some folks in this country who are willing to commit all manner of attrocities because they feel that the consty-tushin permits (obligates?) them.  If I didn't know better I would swear the document was written in crayon or came with a super-sized burger deal.

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That would be a good hub idea, do you think it is written in crayon...

  36. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

    People who do not buy insurance under health care reform would have to pay a tax penalty.  It is not the end of the world, and might be worth it to you if you do not want to buy insurance.  However, then again, I am sure those who are mad at taxes are up in arms about that.

  37. earnestshub profile image89
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I feel Gordon Brown is still better than the naive Blair who got sucked in to the WMD bull that Bush and Rumsfell flogged to the world. The conservative Australian Government at the time under John Howard bought this crud too, so we through them out. smile
    With Bush, Blair and Howard gone, we may see a better world.

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Glad to hear some positive thoughts for the day.  We should celebrate moving forward smile.

  38. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    The public option is still in the house bill.  The Senate version does not have it; the two will be reconciled.

    1. William R. Wilson profile image60
      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Ron - I haven't really followed this closely lately and I'm not so well informed about the current bill.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image68
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Senate bill provides for government regulated insurance exchanges which will be available to individuals and small businesses.

  39. Ron Montgomery profile image61
    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

    Yes, as a black man.  That might change his  worship of the consty-tushun.

 
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