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So our president is Muslim, who cares?

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    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/forum/newtopic/20

    Sure whatever President Obama, the Christain who trashed Christianity but stands up for Islam.

    "And when the first Muslim American was elected to congress he took the oath to defend our constitution using the same holy Koran as that one of our founding fathers Thomas Jefferson kept in his personal library."

    So what are you saying Obama, we are a Muslim Nation? 

    While you're at it, thanks for trashing American's telling us that the Muslims excel at education in comparison to the Americans.  That was really sweet of you. 

    Because see if you want to be smart, you should be muslim.  "Our God", excuse me?  Not my God!!!

    What, you want to help Islam fulfill their religious obligations but not the American's?  Nice!!!

    But hey, whatever! We can share the world alright but don't force me to accept your god buddy.


    "Any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail."  "American is not and will never be at war with Islam."

    "The Holy Koran teaches that whoever kills an innocent, it is as if he has killed all mankind."" 

    "The Holy Koran also says, whoever saves a person, it is as if he has saved all mankind."

    give 1.5 billion to Pakistani", 2.8 billion to afgans.

    Before he became president.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ucai … bible_news

    Nice quote there Obama, not referring to the rock in Islam are ya?  Our President is also a Preacher and America isn't right because it wasn't built on the rock.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Kh-xzerjE

    What does he really think of the Bible and Jesus?  Well he doesn't like the sermon on the mount, that is for sure!  He rips into the Christians like no other. 

    You believe he is christian like he said in Egypt or Muslim? He didn't do the same for the Koran?  Got a lot worse in that book.

    He says, Hey I don't believe in abortion for religious reasons so I have to explain why abortion violates some principal that is accessible to those of all faiths and those with non at all.

    What is in the house right now?  Health care reform?  What's part of the health care reform bill?  It doesn't support abortion.  Nice!  You did it again oh holy one!

    He's a religious nutcase! Someone should tell Obama he needs to read the Koran before he defends it. 

    But take his word for it right?  He says that we should take Islam for what it is not what it is not. 

    But whatever right because my views don't matter and he has you believing that people like me are haters?  He just craps all over us.  Maybe you think it is okay but I don't.

    You can defend the rights of Islam without trashing Americans and christians in the process.  Wait, "Don't tell me words don't matter." LOL

    He is loading you all up with bs!

    1. Marisa Wright profile image94
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sandra, do you have some weird God we've never heard of?

      The God of the Muslims, the Christians and the Jews is the same God. The three religions disagree on who His Messengers were, that's all. 

      The Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah.  The Jews don't, and neither do the Muslims (though the Muslims acknowledge Him as a great teacher).  That's the only difference - they all worship the same God in different ways.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well Stated.

        1. Paul Wingert profile image79
          Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Predudice against Muslims? Obama is NOT a Muslim. That was an email rumor that has been around since 2007 for people stupid enough to believe it. If you think he's a Muslim, prove it!

      2. aguasilver profile image86
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not totally accurate as any study of the Quran against both the Torah and the Christian bible would confirm.

        There is a different personality talking in the Quran than in either of the other books, which agree with each other, whereas the Quran differs from both books.

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          hahahahahaaha -- you obviously don't know any Jews...

          1. TMMason profile image74
            TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Wrong. Islam worships hubal the moon god.

            That is a very good confabulation which fools alot of well meaning, islamic apologists. But that comparison of the Bible and the Quran would show you, when the quran is set in it's correct chronological order, that their god, Allah(which literally translates to God), is nothing close to ours.

            Just a bad imatation.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What exactly does "ours" mean. If fifteen percent of Americans are atheists, and sizeable percentages are Jewish, Hindu, Confucian, Buddhist, Taoist, Shinto, and, yes, Muslim, I am not sure there is an "ours" in the context of this conversation.

              In addition to which, Christian denominations all have their own tweak on what God is like. There is no "ours."

              1. TMMason profile image74
                TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yes their is. The one me and mine follow. "Our". Is it just that you want to argue?

                And the jewish population of USA is 1% and all the others are less than that. So how sizable do you mean? Now the 15% Athiest i'll give you. I think it may be even a lil higher.

          2. aguasilver profile image86
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oy Voy, and you obviously don't read my hubs, or know about me!

            I am well aware that most Jews reject the Messiah, but the two books confirm each other as having the same author, the fact that the readers differ is irrelevant, the author is the same, whereas the author of the Quran is clearly different.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The Jews reject the WHOLE New Testament, whereas the Muslims explicitly accept it. I should know...oy voy right back at ya.

              1. aguasilver profile image86
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Not all Jews reject the new covenant.. ever heard of Messianic Jews?

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You're right. 99% of Jews don't accept the New Testament. Heck half the Jews I ever met (including the majority of Israelis) don't even accept their OWN religion...

            2. Marisa Wright profile image94
              Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'd like to know more about this - maybe it's a Hub topic?  When you say the author, who do you mean?  Because God did not write any of these tomes, human beings did.  So one has to allow for human interpretation, surely.

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Does it matter?  You like Obama's interpretation better? His sounds so much nicer than what it really is.  You think the bible is bad, read the Koran.  You will love it.

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You're right, they both suck. My friend told me he couldn't believe how many references there are to hell in the Quran. He was not impressed. Let's face it, any group that bangs on about hell that much must have a screw loose....uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          This might be the only time I agree with Aqua. The irony! smile

          1. aguasilver profile image86
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Shucks, you just don't know me well enough! smile

    2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well, you are sure sounding like a hater...

    3. sunforged profile image65
      sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      where does this stuff come from? I know I read both his books (sure, they could or are just part of his master plan) but neither certainly never admitted or suggested he was a muslim.

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol, the irony.  I just read Sarah Palin's book and she didn't say all those things the videos say she did.  Should I take her word for it or should I just go by what she said?

        Same irony here.  He didn't say those things but his videos say something else.  Those are edited videos representing the views of those who "hate" him... you know the rest.

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You hit on something there. Who really knows what Sarah Palin really said, and when. This is the problem. The Internet SUCKS as a source of information about ANYONE, and the news media is not much better. And here, indeed, is the problem. Maybe Obama is a rastafarian, and Sarah Palin a Mennonite -- you and I will never know, but there are lots of people out there trying to get us to think x and y -- it's a slippery business , this (mis-)information age.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What Sarah Palin "really said" is no mystery. Her gaffes have been replayed over and over on US television. And of course anyone can buy and read her book which isn't totally factual according to reviews and comments from McCain campaign staffers.

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You didn't read the book yourself but you are taking the review of the same people that never liked her to begin with? 

              Read much lately Mr. Deeds?  The Palin haters say, "I will just go by what I have seen played over and over again on the TV because she still said them regardless."

              Forget what she reflects in her own personal memoirs because she is so stupid she needed someone to help her write her book.  Surely every person who has ever authored a book didn't need help, that is just absurd. 

              You ever seen a map of how close Russia is to Alaska?  Let me help you out. 

              http://www.tongass-seis.net/media/images/AK-Rus.jpg 

              Would you look at that, you really can see Russia from Alaska. There is only about 3 miles between them. But Sarah Palin is just stoopid for saying you can actually see Russia from Alaska.  What a liar she is. lol 

              Well let's just apply the same reasoning to Obama.  I will go by what he is saying.  wink He has a lot of nice things to say about the rest of the world but not a lot of nice things to say about America.

              Many of the supporters of Obama live outside the US, many of the ones who disprove of him live right here.

              You can say he is doing good things for the world but what has he actually done for America lately?  Feel free to give all the credit for the bad stuff to Bush because Obama was just picking up where Bush left off. 

              Would you like to apply the same reasoning to the positive things that have happened as well. Obama has done a lot for other countries at the expense of the American. 

              You really aren't asking yourself why the 'world' loves him and Americans are slit down the middle?  You living in Bush Nation or do you prefer the Obama World?

              1. William R. Wilson profile image59
                William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I prefer Obama world.

                Sandra, have you ever read Obama's books? 

                You believe what Sarah Palin wrote about her times on the campaign trail over the things you saw on TV.  OK, fair enough.  You can't trust everything you see on video. 

                Yet you believe what you see on videos that have been edited by anonymous people over what Obama says himself? 

                Why the double standard?

              2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You can see more of Russia on CNN. She is stoopid for saying that being able to see Russia from Alaska was significant when her knowledge of Russia or foreign policy was close to zero. Palin would be stretching her ability to model for toothpaste commercials. But I hope she runs in 2012 with Glenn Beck or Limbaugh as her pick for VP.

    4. Make  Money profile image73
      Make Moneyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sandra I believe in the first video that you posted Obama was talking about the Sermon on the Mount in reference to New Orleans and Katrina.  Using the quote "I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock" from the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 7) Obama was referring to the Bush administration "that has not tended to it's own foundation."

      In the second video Obama ends by talking about common laws that are applicable to all people and religions.  In this video Obama says the Sermon on the Mount is "so radical that it's doubtful that our own defense department would survive it's application."  The Sermon on the Mount is Matthew chapters 5-7.  In this instance where Obama is saying the defense department would not be able to apply the Sermon on the Mount I am sure he is referring to the part in Matthew chapter 5 where it says "if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other."  The defense department has the job of keeping a countries people safe so it would have a hard time turning the other cheek and doing the job they are called to do.  The Sermon on the Mount applies more to individuals.  If a country was to apply it the first thing they would need to do is ask why they were attacked, truthfully.

      Obama claims that he is a Christian but you certainly would not know it by his reference to the Old Testament laws in the first part of the second video.  In this video Obama mentions Leviticus that suggests slavery is okay and eating shell fish is an abomination and Deuteronomy which suggest stoning your child if he strays from the faith.  Well if Obama was truly a Christian he would know that these Old Testament laws from Leviticus and Deuteronomy are not applicable to Christians and have not been applicable for 2,000 years.  In this instance Obama is making a mockery of Christianity.  Then Obama says "before we get carried away lets read our Bibles; folks haven't been reading their Bible."  On the contrary, if Obama claims that he is a Christian then I'd suggest that he reads his own Bible.  Obama has to realize that the majority of the people of the US are Christian.

      Is there a concern when the leader of a country claims that he is Christian but doesn't seem to know much about it and uses selected Biblical verses for political purposes?  Your darn right there is.  Just the same way Bush used Biblical verses for political purposes and led the country into an unjust war on false pretenses.

  2. Misha profile image75
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    You are not a Christian anymore. Why his supposed "muslimity" bothers you?

    1. tobey100 profile image60
      tobey100posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Agreeing with Misha.  Doesn't bother me if he is a Muslim.  Bothers me that he's a socialist.

      1. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The funny thing is our brand of capitalism has nearly wrecked us again.  Maybe a happy medium could be made to help.  Oh I forgot America doesn't work with compromise.  My bad.

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    cosetteposted 6 years ago

    he is getting scarier every day.

    and the thing is, those of us who voted for him voted our values. i am a Democrat but after him i just may switch over.

    and i am not alone.

    many of my friends and family who outsiders would view as 'liberal' have all expressed the same feelings about Obama, and have even started listening to Glenn Beck.

    wow.

    i can't think of any president in modern times who has caused such a shift.

    keep on truckin' Sandra! wink

  4. Lady_E profile image81
    Lady_Eposted 6 years ago

    This got me thinking. I wonder if Michelle O is a Christian or a Muslim. I can always google it later, but does anyone know?

    1. Sa Toya profile image85
      Sa Toyaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good question, doesn't one have to convert if marrying someone of the Islamic faith

      1. Lady_E profile image81
        Lady_Eposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not in all cases. My young sister is marrying a muslim (we're xtians) and she isn't converting.. There are a lot of non-muslim ladies who don't convert to Islam.

        1. Sa Toya profile image85
          Sa Toyaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ohhhh yikes I had no idea
          my muslim friend said, way back when conversion is needed-they are probs hard core then? hmm

          1. Lady_E profile image81
            Lady_Eposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Mmmh. Must be hard to convert. They might have to go to some special muslim classes, who knows?

            Ah well, I'll check it out tomorrow to see if the first lady is indeed a Muslim. I feel lazy to it now as its 1am.

            Best Wishes, Sa Toya.
            Nite nite. smile

            1. Sa Toya profile image85
              Sa Toyaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ditto, sweet dreams Lady E smile
              love your avatar btw

          2. Marisa Wright profile image94
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It depends on the sect and on the family.  It's the same as Christianity really - some sects won't allow marriage outside the sect.

    2. TMMason profile image74
      TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      if her husband is a Muslim, she is a Muslim. Per; Al'Sharia.

  5. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Any one who cares to read knows the Obama's at least pay lip service to Christianity as all presidents must with so much crazed fundy thinking in America these days that you wind up with a tongue talkin religious zealot as a proposed presidential candidate.
    Pailin was a new low. smile

    1. Sa Toya profile image85
      Sa Toyaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ha she sure was/ is

      Question: I'm not American and haven't been up to date this past month on the sitch there or Obama...I was rooting for him to win, but it seems more and more that people are swaying, Not to sound stupid like I said I have been keeping up but what is he doing/saying or not doing that is causing it.

      So much of the world wanted him to be President, it's so strange can anyone tell me?
      I should probs google?

      hmm

    2. Tom Cornett profile image58
      Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      She cooks a mean moose though!  smile

  6. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

    First off he is a Christian.  Second off even if he was a Muslim, that is no big deal.  I happen to be a quarter Syrian, and I know many of my ancestors were both Christian and Muslim.  Least you forget many of the first Muslim converts were Christians.  Religion is someone's personal business, but telling a pack of lies about Obama's is ridiculous.  You gain nothing from it, and it is a form of slander really.

    1. Sgt Prepper profile image59
      Sgt Prepperposted 2 months ago in reply to this

      Slander is an oral statement disparaging another. When it is in print it is called "libel".  To qualify as either the statement must be untrue.  Over the past seven years I have posted tens of thousands of comments most of which proclaim BHO was born in Kenya, is illegal and is The Antichrist.  If that information is true, which it certainly is, Obama cannot sue me.

  7. SweetiePie profile image83
    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

    A big part of it is Fox news, which is not helping Americans learn anything about the real stories.  Lately I have noticed even CNN and Yahoo are posting stories that are very slanted, and almost Fox like.  We have Lou Doubs and Glenn Beck to thank for some of these ridiculous stories/conspiracy theories.  By the way, the Constitution was created so American leaders did not have to pass a religious test.  Thomas Jefferson was not even a Christian, he was deist.  Obama is actually much more Christian than Jefferson ever was.

    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Think about it -- a large chunk of your population is getting its news from a station owned by an... Australian...

      It's an Australian conspiracy to unhinge you all. I can't believe you allow an Australian on these threads! wink (I bet if you dig enough, you will find Obama was an Australian in another life, on his grandmother's side, in the seventeenth century... you have been warned)

    2. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Here are Jefferson's words on Christianity:

      "In some of the delightful conversations with you in the evenings of 1798-99, and which served as an anodyne to the afflictions of the crisis through which our country was then laboring, the Christian religion was sometimes our topic; and I then promised you that one day or other I would give you my views of it. They are the result of a life of inquiry and reflection, and very different from that anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed, but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others, ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other. At the short interval since these conversations, when I could justifiably abstract my mind from public affairs, the subject has been under my contemplation. But the more I considered it, the more it expanded beyond the measure of either my time or information. In the moment of my late departure from Monticello, I received from Dr. Priestley his little treatise of "Socrates and Jesus Compared." This being a section of the general view I had taken of the field, it became a subject of reflection while on the road and unoccupied otherwise. The result was, to arrange in my mind a syllabus or outline of such an estimate of the comparative merits of Christianity as I wished to see executed by someone of more leisure and information for the task than myself. This I now send you as the only discharge of my promise I can probably ever execute. And in confiding it to you, I know it will not be exposed to the malignant perversions of those who make every word from me a text for new misrepresentations and calumnies. I am moreover averse to the communication of my religious tenets to the public, because it would countenance the presumption of those who have endeavored to draw them before that tribunal, and to seduce public opinion to erect itself into that inquisition over the rights of conscience which the laws have so justly proscribed. It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others; or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own. It behooves him, too, in his own case, to give no example of concession, betraying the common right of independent opinion, by answering questions of faith which the laws have left between God and himself. Accept my affectionate salutations.

      Th: Jefferson"

      1. SparklingJewel profile image67
        SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        habee,
        I would like to know the name of the book this quote of

        Jefferson's came from

        thx, SJ

  8. William R. Wilson profile image59
    William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago

    What the hell?  Sandra are you loony? 

    The president is not a f****ing Muslim!  Get it through your head!

    1. livelonger profile image89
      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "Repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes the truth."

      1. Sgt Prepper profile image59
        Sgt Prepperposted 2 months ago in reply to this

        Yuppers now even Trump believes, or at least said he does, that BHO was "born in the United States". Regardless Obama could never be a natural born citizen and is therefore a usurper.

    2. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why muslims are f°°°ing ?
      Why so rude !!!!!!?????

      1. William R. Wilson profile image59
        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Because it's ridiculous and offensive to keep repeating this nonsense.

        The president is not a Muslim.  The president is not a Muslim.  The president is not a Muslim. 

        OK?

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No. It's not OK. But..... coming from where it comes.....

          1. William R. Wilson profile image59
            William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What do you mean?

            1. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Use your IQ

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          cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well, see, if i were President Obama, who says repeatedly how he likes to keep it real, i would hold a press conference that was a fireside chat sort of event in which people could ask me anything and i would finally quell these silly rumors.

          NO i am NOT a muslim
          NO i am NOT a socialist

          etc.

          and you really think his daughters are reading this?

          i am sure the White House security staff, as well as her parents, restrict their time on the internet as well as their content.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image94
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Cosette, the people who are convinced he's lying will just be convinced he's still lying.  Some people just love conspiracy theories,and the internet gives them a voice like never before. 

            I found this site very interesting, it looks at some of the urban myths about Obama.
            http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barack … anthem.htm

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              cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              thanks! i'll check it out.

      2. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Reported already. It's ridiculous really. sad

        1. William R. Wilson profile image59
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Reporting me?  LOL.  I guess everyone has to get banned. 

          Why don't you report Sandra for spreading vicious lies about the President?

      3. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Because they enjoy it and because they have so many wives?

    3. Rod Marsden profile image86
      Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You got that one right! The president isn't a Muslim! He just doesn't want a holy war on his hands and you can't blame him for that.

      There are many African Americans that turned to the Muslim religion during the '60s and '70s because they saw Christianity as the religion of the oppressor and they saw Islam as the religion their ancestors may have embraced before they were put in chains and eventually ended up in the USA. Some of these converts to Islam changed their names.Cassius Clay became Muhammad Ali. He's probably the best example I can think of. Regardless of this change, this boxer remained a fine American.

      An American president if he is worth anything must look after all Americans regardless of religious preference they or he might have. Establish peace and good will among Americans then extend that peace and good will outward. Sounds like a plan to me. The president has plans on withdrawing troops from Afghanistan and Iraq. Let's see how that goes.


    4. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How is that misquoting? lol

    5. Marisa Wright profile image94
      Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago

      Goodness, the internet has a lot to answer for!  I've been doing some Googling on this and come up with so many statements about whether he is Muslim or not.

      First question - he's been a senator for twenty years, would he really have managed to conceal the fact that he's Muslim all this time?

      Second, to do with the inauguration -
      "Is it true that when Obama was sworn into office he used the Koran (Qur'an) instead of the Bible?

      No. According to news accounts Barack Obama placed his hand on his personal Bible during his Senate swearing-in ceremony, which was conducted by Vice-President Dick Cheney. Those making this allegation have apparently confused Obama with Congressman Keith Ellison, who actually is a Muslim and was sworn in on January 4, 2007 using a copy of the Koran."

      Even if he were a Muslim, to automatically assume he's on some kind of radical mission is ridiculous. The vast majority of the millions of Muslims in the world are nice, peaceable people like you and me.  And they would be very offended at the nasty remark you made about their Holy Book, Sandra - which was completely uncalled for.  Have you actually read any of it?

    6. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      Michelle Obama has never been a Muslim.  Not that it would matter because some Muslim people are actually nice.  No offense, but when did it become okay to tell lies about people.  Malia and Sasha read this ridiculous stuff people post about their family on the web.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image94
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sweetiepie, you are the voice of reason.

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Seriously? "Some muslim people are actually nice" - which implies most of them are not. And this is a voice of reason? You lost me Marisa sad

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am very reasonable Misha.  Most Muslim people I know are nice, and if you have a problem with that, too bad for that.  You honestly know better, and your comment is out of line!  By the way, I type comments quickly, and do not always go back to edit.  Sorry you can call me on saying Muslim people are nice, but not really call someone on saying things that may hurt others feelings.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Don't shift the load Sweetie. Forums are better than oral conversation, everybody can see for themselves what you said. Most and some are materially different.

              1. William R. Wilson profile image59
                William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Misha it's pretty obvious what she meant to say.  Stop trying to read between the lines for everyone else.

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It is okay, he likes to give certain people a hard time.  I am not the cool kid in school you see.  Never was...

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image94
                    Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't frequent the general forums much so I don't know what you're talking about. I do wish people would take each post on face value instead of carrying grudges from one thread to another.

                    1. SweetiePie profile image83
                      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I honestly have no grudges myself, but just to share he likes to give me a hard time.

                2. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Stop ordering me please. I do what I think feasible. smile

                  1. SweetiePie profile image83
                    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Well you were not feasible in your comments.  It was just causing a ruckus over nothing.

                    1. Misha profile image75
                      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      If you just said - oops, sorry, my bad I made a typo - it would have been nothing. You tried to blame your own sins on me, instead. smile

          2. Marisa Wright profile image94
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You know I didn't read it like that, Misha.  If she'd used "most" instead of "some" you'd have had no problem with it, would you.

            1. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Marissa, it was a typo.  You and Misha actually owe me an apology.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image94
                Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What did I say?  Sweetie, I guessed that's what you meant when I read your post, that's why I said you were the voice of reason.

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I did not want you to think I was implying bad things about Muslims.  Really this thread is outlandish.  When did becoming a Muslim become a crime?

        2. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am trying to be.  However, everyone is convinced that the president and his wife are Muslims, which is why they show so much skin on the beach in Hawaii.  Never mind that proper Muslims do not do that, which shows how little bit have really done to research Islam.  Also, what can I say, controversy drives page views smile.

          1. Marisa Wright profile image94
            Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What?? Muslims showing skin?  What is that about??

            1. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              People are accusing the Obama's of being Muslim, but they would not be wearing bathing suits on the beach if they were.

            2. tantrum profile image59
              tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You are too funny !!!
              My muslim friends go to the beach and show skin just like any of us.
              that's like saying that all jews don't it ham. Some do. That doesn't mean they stopped being jews.

              get real !! lol

              1. SweetiePie profile image83
                SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Actually they are not Muslim.  Yes I know proper Muslims who believe in wearing hijab.

                1. tantrum profile image59
                  tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  you're too ignorant!
                  How do you know my friends are not muslims??
                  lol
                  you two are very childish !

                  1. SweetiePie profile image83
                    SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No I am highly intelligent.  However, according to my Muslim friends that wear hijab if you do not do so you are not a proper Muslim.  That is how they feel about it, but it does not mean your friends are not Muslim.  Calling someone ignorant is a personal attack, and that is about it.  Anyway I am a very caring individual, and I do not treat people like that.

                    1. tantrum profile image59
                      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Really ? You've bee saying a lot of inaccuracies about muslims. I'm only pointing them out to you. If you see that as a personal attack, I'm sorry. you should be humble enough as to see you were wrong.

              2. Marisa Wright profile image94
                Marisa Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry, sarcasm doesn't work in print does it.  I was trying to work out how people could use showing skin as a sign of being a Muslim.

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            sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Research in Islam huh?  Read the Koran.. I mean the Holy Koran and tell me what you think.  Not a nice book to support.

            1. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I have done research on Islam, but I have no interest in the religion.  I do not even like most religions anyway.  People get to weird about this stuff.

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Then you get why this bothers me so much?

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Honestly because I do not like lies, or things that are not truthful.  Christianity and Islam have a lot in common also.  Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all call themselves people of the book.

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes and what do you think those books call a person like me?  Lies Sweetie Pie? 

                    You need to sit down and watch the entire first video of his speech in Egypt.  That sarcasm in the op, he literally said that Islam excels in their learning and compares it to the Americans. 

                    Lies?  Lies? Sweetiepie.  He just called you inferior or stupid compared to Islam.  You like that?  I don't but he did say it.  Just watch the video and don't tell me that it is a fake video.

                    Got a lot of people who don't want to hear just say, hey those videos are fake so I cannot trust them.  Or, oh Fox news.  It's not a fox news video.

                    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      But it's true. Everyone outside America knows that your education system is woefully underfunded and has been for decades, because successive governments have been scared stiff of being labelled socialists by funding public services like education properly.

                    2. SweetiePie profile image83
                      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I happened to admire Obama's speech in Egypt.  You know I happen to be part Arab, and my grandpa was a full blooded Syrian.  His family was Christian and he was born here in the US.  When I was thirteen he shared with me considering how people intermarry in all cultures most likely some of my ancestors are Muslims too.  Many of the early converts to Islam were Christian by the way in countries like Egypt and Syria.  Why do you not like Muslims Sandra?  There happen to be many nice ones.  Obama simply said in his speech we should not be above apologizing for past mistakes.  He also shared other countries consider themselves great, just as the US does.

            2. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not that bubble is any better LOL

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Nope the babble is not any better but he loved to tear that one apart.  ironic?

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  May be. Until you get real issues, I can't take it seriously smile

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Religion is a real issue Misha even if you don't have one. smile

                    1. Misha profile image75
                      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Sometimes yes. Not this time, as I see it - unless you want to associate yourself with Christians of course. smile

            3. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Here is something to chew on. Hubpages is on the World Wide Web. That means it can be read across the world. Every time someone like you posts something like this, it stays on the Web forever. With each drop in the ocean of xenophobia against Muslims, you increase the chance of a normal, moderate, apolitical Muslim somewhere taking one more step towards becoming radicalized... because no-one likes to be demonized.

              Next time there is a terrorist attack against "America and the friends of America" pat yourself on the back; you might have had a hand in it. This is not a game you know. People have been killed because of this crap.

              1. aguasilver profile image86
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Here is something else to chew upon, Islam states categorically that it intends to rule the world by Islamic law, if that happens we are all dead meat and you can kiss your liberty and freedoms goodbye as you slip into sharia law.

                Can't happen?

                Well non Muslim America is not even breeding enough folk to replace those who die, and the only immigrants you allow in are NOT those who value your cultural traditions.

                In 50 years there will be more Muslims than Non Muslims by birth rates alone... so where does that leave you in an election?

                Your choice, either you support and defend your westernized lifestyle, secular or quasi Christian as you please, or by default your children or grandchildren will be forced to obey sharia law.

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And they have killed for less too.  Definitely not a game but put a gag on me for disagree with his politics and his religious enforcement for a religion that has been trying to dominate the world since its inception? 

                No thanks.  Religion needs to stay out of politics.

                1. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sandy, in this thread YOU are bringing it in. And I agree to what AS said here sad

                2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  EXACTLY. So STOP bringing it in. It makes you look silly.

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    When he stops bringing it up I will stop bringing it up. smile  Can we agree?

                    1. Misha profile image75
                      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      This way you let him control you. Think about it smile

      2. pylos26 profile image78
        pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The second sentence in the above post is stupid and presumptious. It implies that most muslim people are inferior to christians.

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          None of my sentences are presumptuous.  Back off with the personal attacks as I think no one is better than anyone.  Hubpages, the place to speak down to others?  I think not, and I do not play your games.

          1. pylos26 profile image78
            pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            If one does not think one is better than another...why the hell does one say it?  "some muslim people are actually nice". one who does not see presumptiousness and stupidity is that remark is lame.

            1. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I most certainly did not, but like I said you are attacking me.  I am intelligent and very smart, and I do not put up with being put down by guys like you.  If you want to go pick on someone, buy a punching bag.  Everyone that has read my comments knows Obama is not a Muslim, and I am sick of the ridiculous drama that has been focusing on this.  To be honest, you and several others love the drama of putting others down.  Please, act more mature than that.

              1. pylos26 profile image78
                pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "some muslim people are actually nice" are your own words...I don't get it...actually write a post in public and then deny it with the evidence sticking out like a sore thumb...am i missing something here.

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I know Muslims are nice, and I type fast.  Big deal, I think you are a troublemaker, and do not realize all the cogent points I have made on this thread.  If anything I have been sticking up for Muslims. Also, I realize you thrive off drama and speaking down to people, but at least I am not going to resort to that.

                  1. pylos26 profile image78
                    pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Just read a post where a lady complimented you and you demanded an apology...real bright...I would suggest that you edit your comments before posting...i noticed that you didn't make any errors while you were trashing me. what the hell is wrong with  you anyway?

                    1. SweetiePie profile image83
                      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      You are spelling words wrong left and right.  Anyway yes I am bright, and it says in the Hubpages FAQ the forum is not a place for personal attacks.  I actually have no problems with typing fast, and stop telling me what to do.  Yes I am intelligent, but I notice you make lots of errors.  You treat people like second class citizens, and then wonder why they stick up for themselves.

        2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It doesn't MATTER if most Muslims are nice or not. Becuase you have an electoral system and you voted Obama in (or enough of you did). Half the world looked on in terror at the election of an evangelical who didn't believe in handing out condoms to African AIDS victims, or doing stem cell research, but that was just too bad -- that's how it works. I mean, seriously, if Obama was a raving lunatic he couldn't do more harm than the Neo-Cons you just had!

        3. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think we got this out of the way already, don't see a need to bring it up again.

    7. William R. Wilson profile image59
      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago
      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's a great link about the "big lie." I wonder if anybody read it. Sandra?

    8. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      What I am decent, and Misha you are causing trouble. I still say you owe me an apology.

    9. tantrum profile image59
      tantrumposted 6 years ago

      lol
      I've seen this before ! lol

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Many times LOL Crybaby anyone?

        1. tantrum profile image59
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

    10. William R. Wilson profile image59
      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago

      Alright, well. 

      Some facts:

      Muslim men are forbidden to wear gold.

      Obama wears a gold wedding band.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/2 … 39069.html

      Muslims must pray, facing Mecca, five times a day. 

      Do you think that Obama could do this for 20 years and no one would ever notice?

      Muslims don't eat pork.  Obama eats pork:

      http://blog.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/ … ecial.html

      Ok. Done.

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Really?  They are forbidden too kill to so what is the point?

    11. aguasilver profile image86
      aguasilverposted 6 years ago

      Speaking as a Christian, I don't think Obama has any religion that he believes in, he was born a Muslim, which makes him an 'infidel' if he has 'converted' to Christianity and as such every Muslim is required to kill him as an apostate.

      Don't see that happening!... they seem to love him.

      His Christianity is very far from the Christianity that 80% of Americans profess to be truth, and in reality he is a lip service believer (in both faiths)who has conned the Muslims, Blacks and Democrats into electing him in order that he may take the Illuminatii/New World Order plan a stage further.

      When he addressed the Jewish vote, he promised security to Israel.... hmmm how secure so they feel now?

      The man is all smoke and mirrors, and as the Americans awaken to his duplicity it will be interesting to see whether they do anything about stopping his plan to destroy the USA as a world power.

      My American friends tell me that there are 200 million gun owners in the USA.... now why would they tell me that?

    12. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      Good point adsensestrategies.

    13. William R. Wilson profile image59
      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago

      Sandra, you were the one earlier today boo hooing about how people were calling you racist.  Now you go and post this garbage about how the President is a covert Muslim and Islam is an evil religion? 

      RK was right.

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And we hear this from the man who just said "fucking muslims"? Heal yourself first, doctor lol

        1. blue dog profile image79
          blue dogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          tk, you're always so good at taking things out of context.

          1. William R. Wilson profile image59
            William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Not only taking them out of context but misquoting.

          2. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Is it an insult attempt? Weak one smile

            1. blue dog profile image79
              blue dogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              report it.

              1. SweetiePie profile image83
                SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well some want drama, and they will always find it.  This thread could be a soap opera.

              2. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Nah, not worth bothering smile

    14. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      I hate guns and I am a pacifist.  However, some gun owners think my pacifism and not liking guns will magically make theirs disappear smile.

      1. aguasilver profile image86
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was sent a funny picture of a sign a gun owner put on his lawn. It read:

        My neighbor does not agree with guns, so if I see anybody trying to enter his house illegally be assured I will not use my weapons to stop them.

        Seems gun owners have a sense of humor!

    15. Tom Cornett profile image58
      Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago

      Muslims can only wipe their butts with their left hand...is Obama a lefty?  smile

      1. Misha profile image75
        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Tom, Muslims actually wash their butt, not wipe. Much more healthy if you ask me smile

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Let's take all of thee comments, and replace the word "Muslims" with the word "Jews" and see how long Hubpages even stays online. This is seriously dangerous territory. You just can't say things like that -- a whole generation of Americans died fighting a society that turned a blind-eye to this sort of attitude to a defined group of people, in the nineteen-forties. It is definitely, seriously, not good stuff.

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL Don't know about that, but Jews use paper tongue

            1. TMMason profile image74
              TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah in Arabia and the other mid-eastern countries they wash it with sand, so huh. I bet that hurts like hell till you toughen up. I guess it is true, you got to be tough if'n your gonna be dumb.

              1. pylos26 profile image78
                pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You make an excellant point there adsense.

          2. Tom Cornett profile image58
            Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            A Muslim friend of mine told me that...he also said that if he let a fart on the way to the mosque...he had to go back home and take a bath.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              May be he just did not mention that they wash? Like said something like "clean"? That would reconcile our experiences. smile Cause I am pretty sure they do wash, I lived in Azerbaijan for a while, and visited several other muslim countries. Well, I did not watch any muslim doing this, neither I discussed the topic with them, but all the places I stayed at had an extra water pipe in the toilet bowl, directed at your asshole, and a valve that controls it of course smile

              1. pylos26 profile image78
                pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Now thats funny!!!

              2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Indeed, for centuries Muslims were world-renowned for cleanliness, because their religion demanded all this washing, five times a day. And of course, they had things like plumbing and civilization when Europeans were grubbing around in the mud. Either way, it doesn't matter. There are limits to how far one can joke about people who are minorities in your own country. Like I said, say these things about blacks or Jews and see how well it flies (I don't mean you... I am just making a general point).

              3. Tom Cornett profile image58
                Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                He was Turkish...haven't seen him in years...I think he went back to get married.

          3. aguasilver profile image86
            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            My father (who was English, we actually fought the Germans for a while before America became involved) fought to STOP fanatics who wanted to suppress free speech and kill those who did not fit their concept of who had a right to live.

            I have seen no evidence in any Muslim state (and I have cisited some) that there is or would be any tolerance for our Western lifestyles and ideals.

            If saying whatever we want within the bounds of our national laws is in any way to be challenged, then it is wrong plain and simple.

            I must away to bed now, it's 3.43 and I need to get up early.

            Free speech is the first requirement of any free society.

            If that is curtailed, fascism occurs no matter how it is dressed.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It's too bad you're off to bed, because I have also spent time in various parts of the Muslim world, and I would say that the Western lifestyle is RAMPANT there. In fact, the reason the West has nothing to worry about is because in forty years Muslim countries will THEMSELVES be as liberal as Western countries now are. That's why these Islamist fanatics are so hot and bothered in fact...

              1. aguasilver profile image86
                aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  For obvious reasons I have reported this picture:
                  - it is enormously disrespectful to the victims depicted, to use such a picture in a forum debate.
                  - it implies that most Muslims would do something like this. I had assumed the poster was relatively old; I hadn't realized he or she was an adolescent, with a vile sense of what counts as acceptable.

            2. Rod Marsden profile image86
              Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              People tell me that Turkey is a modern Islamic state. The people who tell me this are Turks so they should know. The Turkish leader who beat the ANZACs at Gallipoli during WW1 went on to form Turkey into a modern state that would be a gateway between East and West. Istanbul for centuries had that reputation anyway.

              So if you are looking for an Islamic state where people of other religions are welcome I think Turkey is it. I have met Turks and they do embrace both the Western style of living as well as the Eastern. For the most part they are not hard line nut-job Muslims and are well worth knowing. My grandfather fought the Turks during WW1 and always had great respect for them.   



              1. livelonger profile image89
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You've got to be kidding.
                Turkey is the most murderous country in the middle east.
                1-1.5 million (Christian) Armenians killed, 500,000 (Christian) Greeks killed, 600,000 (Christian) Assyrians killed, and constant Jew-baiting, threats and synagogue bombings. And they don't admit to any of it.

                1. pylos26 profile image78
                  pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Please forgive me...but your numbers and attitude favors bias belligerant christanity.

                  1. livelonger profile image89
                    livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I can only hope you're a Turkish government official. Read up on it. Please avoid sites like armenianlies.com, greeklies.com, etc.

                2. Rod Marsden profile image86
                  Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The Armenians you speak of were killed just after the first world war came to an end and it was a black mark against the Turks for sure. As for the rest, well, the Greeks and Turks had been killing each other at a steady pace well into the 20th Century and there is still a lot of animosity between Turks and Greeks. Turkey still remains the most open Islamic country to Western ideas and culture. Istanbul is still the most open Islamic city to other religions. 

                3. TMMason profile image74
                  TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Thats exactly right. Learn your history.

                  1. Rod Marsden profile image86
                    Rod Marsdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes. Do learn your history. The USA doesn't have a clean slate and Turkey is not the  most murderous country in the Middle East, at least not in modern times.

                    There were once black slaves in New York. Then New Yorkers saw the light and came to the conclusion slavery was a really bad idea. Do we still make a carry on about how New Yorkers used to treat their slaves? Certainly not! we see New Yorkers in the present as liberal and forward thinking people. Do we attack all Americans over Guantanamo Bay? Certainly not! Do we attack Americans for the atrocities engineered by the USA government in Europe under a cloak of secrecy in recent years. Certainly not.

                    Torture is wrong and most Americans agree with this point of view. War is wrong and many Americans also agree with this point of view. Yet torture has happened in recent years and in the name of the USA.

                    No nation is completely clean of wrong doing. Australia cannot claim to be completely clean in terms of history. We should however look for the good where we can find it. Yes. I know my history and where I see a gleam of hope or a place where West and East can sort out some of our differences I find that more important than hashing over old battlefields and old atrocities. Give yourself and others a break. Give a dog a good name if the dog can meet you half way and let's see what happens.         

                    1. livelonger profile image89
                      livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Maybe you have a much more selective definition of "modern times." What Middle Eastern country has gotten even close?

    16. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      With these type of threads and Fox propaganda the RNC will probably elect someone worse than Bush next time around.  Honestly, it does matter if Muslims are nice or not because the entire tone of this thread implies one religion is not as good as another.

      1. William R. Wilson profile image59
        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly.  And when we elect Palin/Huckabee in 2012, it will truly be the end of the American Empire.

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well some people on here really seem to want it, and they think like these individuals to boot.  I am with you though, pretty scary times with the propaganda mongering going round.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

      Obamas a muslim!!!!!!!

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And I'm a religionist!!! smile

        1. aguasilver profile image86
          aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He says he's a muslim here...

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo

          Now i really must sleep...

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            sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            They wont accept that video because they say they think he just slipped up.  I have never heard of such a thing happening.

            lol  I have never heard a christian accidentally say I am muslim... yeah.. I mean, I mean Christian.  Thanks, that's what I am this week.  My bad, sorry America. lol lol lol

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              But again... so whaaaaat. Don't you think the recession is a bit more important than this? It was immensely offensive to millions of Americans that Bush was an evangelical, but that's how it goes -- you get the president you get, warts an' all. Now stop this nonsense, and start writing to your congressman about the fatcat bonuses these bailout asses are giving themselves, and all the lobbyists running around Washington, controlling your nation... THIS is what a patriot would do!

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Really I do and they don't like that either.

            2. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              An obvious slip up after reading the type of garbage that spread this lie. It all came from one email!!!

              http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

    18. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago

      Perhaps my final comment(?) is that, if you want to be taken seriously, you might not want to post your ideas under the heading Conspiracy Theories..... it implies you actually know what game you are really playing, underneath it all....

      It shocks me that Americans are reeling over the huge ripoff they have just been subject to at the hands of the financial sector, and yet it is this garbage about religion that is what some focus on. Those CEO's must be laughing into their bonuses.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Is he a muslim or not?

        1. William R. Wilson profile image59
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Did you read the thread?  I already answered that for you.

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            sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Is he a hitite or a sunny?

      2. livelonger profile image89
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You hit the nail on its proverbial head. smile
        People will obsess about what they're capable of understanding: what religion someone is, who slept with who, etc. Financial sector bailouts: far too complicated.

        1. William R. Wilson profile image59
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lol.  You said it.

    19. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      I don't suppose the truth would be popular...

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol they got you fooled too.

        This is what he said at his speech to Egypt.

        "And when the first Muslim American was elected to congress he took the oath to defend our constitution using the same holy Koran as that one of our founding fathers Thomas Jefferson kept in his personal library."

        Watch the video.  It's a CNN if that helps anyone who is anti fox. 

        His words.

    20. Dolores Monet profile image91
      Dolores Monetposted 6 years ago

      Merry Christmas, folks, let's remember this is the season of joy. What would Jesus say about some of the hate mongering I have read here. Unbelievable.

      1. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        blame it on obama.

      2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you - some words of sanity, finally.

    21. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      Well I accidentally call my sister by my other sister name all the time.  When I am typing I often respond to my sister by what is on the screen.  Yikes, really low.  Also, there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim or a Christian.  Even though pylos has been treating me like a second class citizen, I shall continue to stick up for comments that are hurtful.  As a child I was subjected to taunting and teasing, and I just let it slide.  When I see adults start acting like junior high school kids I do not put up with it.  Please, let us perhaps realize this thread is not truthful, and hurtful to people who are Muslim.

    22. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 6 years ago

      Jefferson was a deist and quoting large quotes of text does not detract from that fact lol.  Anyway, he did not consider Christ his personal savior the way many fundamentalist Christians do.

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And according to Obama, he took an other the the Holy Koran.

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is not accurate Sandra.  All I can say is controversy drives page views smile.  I guess it is a good way to get more traffic for reading your hubs though.

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            sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes it is.  It is absolutely accurate.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Scream. You are so incredibly rude. Don't you know that Muslim Americans fight and die for you in the US armed forces. You are rude. Unbelievable. America is the refuge of all, the land that tolerates, that's why people fled Europe and went to your country. You are spitting on your own nation every time you make a slur at one of your minorities. Without America's example to the world, there would be no refuge for persecuted peoples. Shame on you. You are perverting the shining light to all nations that America is supposed to be, for petty political gain. Shame, I say again.

      2. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah, I guess he was lying here in his own words.

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          He studied the Bible and admired it, but he was not a hardcore Christian.  Yikes, I am not even sure why people say that when they know it is not true.

    23. TMMason profile image74
      TMMasonposted 6 years ago

      The interviewer had to correct him, or he would not even have corrected himself. If it is the one I saw.

    24. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      Still don't want the truth?

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/238/
      Rather make a simple mistake into calling the president on something, anything as long as it is defamatory and untrue?
      Upstairs for thinking! smile

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Doesn't sound like you do either. smile 

        Literally this is making me laugh because he says these things but no one wants to watch an hour long speech of him actually saying these things.

        He says, I am a Christain then in the same speech he says "And when the first Muslim American was elected to congress he took the oath to defend our constitution using the same holy Koran as that one of our founding fathers Thomas Jefferson kept in his personal library."

        Wow!  How complex. lol

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I t  d o e s  n o t  m a t t e r

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yep, what they said. smile

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I saw the speech in it's entirety Sandra, and saw how inclusive he was of Muslim Americans, which is in the context of the whole speech.

        2. William R. Wilson profile image59
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You keep quoting this as if he's saying that he is a muslim.  WTF?  Nowhere in that sentence does it say anything about Obama being a Muslim.

          You are deluded.

    25. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      As far as Obama is concerned, I do not believe he is a practicing Muslim. I know he went to a school that taught Islam when he was a child, and that he had Muslim relatives, but as an adult, he has not been active with Islam. Personally, I don't care if he's a Taoist. I'm more concerned with how he leads our nation.

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who are you and where have you been. You just uttered the most sensible sentence on this entire thread.

    26. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      Still no comment on the link?

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I will go read it smile

      2. Tom Cornett profile image58
        Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        OMG...Cheney swore him in! Cheney is Satan!  AHHHHHH! smile

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, ironic, isn't it. Obama might be a Muslim but anyone can see his heart is generally in the right place. That does not mean he is competent, or that his policies are good, or that he is not open to being corrupted.... BUT COMPARED TO DICK CHENEY!!!!!!

          Sheesh, man, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried...

      3. pylos26 profile image78
        pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah Earnest...I read the link offered by the pulitzer prise winning St Petersburg press. Its self-evident true.

        But need not expect bozos to read anything that approached truth.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So are you saying I should accept that over the words that came out of Obama's mouth?

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, you should focus on the issues instead of this rubbish.

          2. pylos26 profile image78
            pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm saying the President's trip was one of good will and attempts at complimenting another country's religion...its that frickin simple....something that has been a long time coming...what the hell is wrong with being friendly, courtious and complementary? Its the civilized way.

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And I am not talking about the interview slip up video.  I am talking about the speech he gave in Cairo.  He could have been kind and friendly without having to rip on America's education.  He didn't have to say compared to Islam, American's are dumb.  So let me give you money because the smarter people deserve it. 

              He didn't have to imply to other countries that one of the founding fathers of this country was also muslim either.  That's not very nice.

              1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Your first paragraph is fair enough. He should not compare his own country disfavourably.

                Your second paragraph is bizarre. I don't even know what you meant exactly.

              2. William R. Wilson profile image59
                William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                He didn't imply that Jefferson was a Muslim.  He says that Jefferson kept a copy of the Koran. 

                I am not a Christian, but I keep a copy of the bible. 

                You are deluded.

                1. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Jefferson studied world religions and philosophy, and you have to admire him for it.  It does not mean he believed in much of what religion had to say anyway, but we will not be able to convince fundamentalist Christians of that.  One nation under God was not not even made are national motto until Eisenhower was in office.  Before that it was United We Stand.

    27. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      I never said Jefferson was a "hardcore Christian." I just offered his quotes on the topic.

      1. SweetiePie profile image83
        SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That's not what Obama said. lol

          1. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            For a moment I was talking about Jefferson, to illustrate the point that not all American presidents were Christian.  Obama, on the other hand, considers himself a Christian.  One mistake when he is talking and you really think he is a Muslim.  To be honest this thread is not good for America and the world as it spreads a lie, and a very vicious one at that.  I do not agree with this lie, but it is a free country and you have the right to purport it.  It does not help to make our country a better place, and it actually creates a negative tone here.

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And what you are basically saying is my concerns don't matter. 

              I know you were talking about Jefferson and Obama implies he is Muslim.

    28. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      In his speech, I think Obama was referring to Keith Ellison, our first Islamic congressman.

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Keep trying habee.  It is true what he said and he wasn't talking about Keith Ellison otherwise he would have said it don't you think?

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          IT IS NOT IMPORTANT. WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU JUST GOT RIPPED OFF BY YOUR OWN BANKS AND BOTH BUSH AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE LET THEM GET AWAY UNPUNISHED. WHY THAT IS, IS WORTH LOOKING INTO....... MORE IMPORTANT THAN THIS DETRITUS YOU KEEP SPEWING OUT.

        2. William R. Wilson profile image59
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Um.  That's what he said:  "Our first Islamic Congressman."

          You are deluded.

      2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        More common sense. Thank you

    29. TMMason profile image74
      TMMasonposted 6 years ago

      If Obama is a Muslim then under Shari'a we are a Muslim country. And as such it is the duty of Islam to impliment Shari'a in this new Islamic empire.

      Just a side note. Welcome to the Ummayyid States of America. Long live Caliph Obama!!! Off with their heads!!!

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes you are a Muslim country. That's why you have all those strip joints I guess...

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The President seems to think so. sad

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You are truly loop-de-loop.

          2. TMMason profile image74
            TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            First the rights, then the fun. You cannot take it all at once. Mess with a mans titties and its on. Yup, better take his guns first.

      2. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        Jefferson never claimed to be a deist. This article explains it more clearly:

        http://westernexperience.wordpress.com/ … n-a-deist/

        I've read a lot about Jefferson, and I don't think he was ever totally sure what he believed as far as "religion" is concerned. He definitely believed in God; otherwise, he seemed to be constantly searching. I find this resource much more enlightening than anything from Wikipedia.

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes he did claim to be a deist.  I also have read quite a bit about Jefferson, and this particular blog is written by a conservative Christian with an agenda.  Many want to believe the founding fathers founding America strictly on Christian principles, when in truth Madison, Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams were all deists.  Anyway, some Christians want to believe manifest destiny and the displacement of Native Americans was all part of God's plan too, and I have seen blogs purporting that also. 


          Wikipedia is not the best, but it was just a quick link to show you.  At least not just one group of people are contributing and writing there.

          1. habee profile image91
            habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sweetie, I'm honestly trying to learn more about Jefferson. Could you send me a link where he says he's a deist? I sent you one where he claims to be a Christian - fair's fair. lol. Thanks!

            1. SweetiePie profile image83
              SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this
              1. habee profile image91
                habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Okay, I read this article, but nowhere in it does Jefferson say he's a deist. In fact, it contains the same quote the first article I cited does, where he says he's a Christian - the one you said was from a "Christian with an agenda."

                From everything I can find, Jefferson's beliefs were somewhat unique in that they espoused elements of Christianity, deism, and Unitarianism. Whatever they were, they worked for him!

                1. William R. Wilson profile image59
                  William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So that would mean that, strictly speaking, Jefferson wasn't a Christian, which was kind of the original point.  If Jefferson wasn't a Christian, it kind of stymies the argument that the American founders were all Christian.

                2. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Unitarianism is a form of deism, which holds God created the world, but has left people to their own devices.  Thus, Jefferson being a deist studied and quoted from the Bible, but that did not make him what you would consider a hardcore Christian.  Deists/Unitarians actually in many cases do not even believe in the afterlife or a personal savior.  This is not the type of Christianity most Americans would consider devout, and thus Jefferson is not what you consider a Christian.

      3. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        As I've already stated, I don't give a fig about Obama's religious leanings. And as far as Jefferson is concerned, he's always fascinated me. Again, I don't think his faith (or lack of) had much bearing on his leadership ability. I see very little similarities in Jefferson and Obama, other than the fact that they're both male and both U.S. presidents.

      4. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        Sandra, don't get me wrong - I have LOTS of concerns about our president, but his religious followings are not among them.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          To you, but they are to me.

        2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          More sanity from this mysterious hubber. It is not frigging important what the hell religion he is. Man, only in America...(or Iran, or Saudi Arabia... mmmm, do I see a pattern?)

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            sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I certainly do.  And you think it shouldn't bother me.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sigh. No , you don't understand. In the countries listed, yours included, political elements try to distract the people with religious issues so they can get away with murder under your noses. The Saudis are about as religious as my Aunt Mabel. Sure, they force everyone to follow their bizarre interpretation of religion (which is not seen in virtually any other part of the Muslim world), while the Saudi princes themselves are in the South of France with their yachts, champagne, and call girls. This is well-known in Europe, trust me, because they love to hang out in London and Paris.

              And this is what is going on in America -- you are being ripped off as we speak by the biggest banking heist in corporate history, and yet you have been led to focus on religius issues -- the parallels are delicious, and tragic.

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I know that too.  What is your point?  I should forget about it because my money is being pilfered.  When you run out of money, what's next?  lol

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No, the problem is that the financial scandal IS the issue. The truth is that, even if it turns out that he is a Muslim, I promise you, I promise you, I promise you, 99.9% of Muslims share roughly the same values as religious Christians.

                  I know this because I have known stacks of Muslims, and none of them wanted to conquer anyone, but many of them expressed values that were far more like Christian values than liberal or atheist values -- so Muslims are your allies in the struggle for the values you hold dear...

                  And as for Sharia law, most Muslim countries don't have it, and most Muslims don't want it -- because Muslims are huam beings, and human beings like to have as much freedom as they can get away with; it is instinctive... I promise you...

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    What values are you implying I hold as the same as christians and muslims?

                2. pylos26 profile image78
                  pylos26posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  My point is that you apparantly have read into the presidents actions things that are just not there...relax...tomorrow is a new day. Why be an alarmist when "reason" says there is no point in it.

                3. Misha profile image75
                  Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Uh-oh. OK, let's try from the other side. What exactly you are trying to do? For a sake of discussion, let's assume we all agree that Obama is muslim, and this is bad. Now what?

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Let's say he is.  What do you think the Christians would think?  You think most of them will just accept that their president is muslim whose values, no matter how similar they appear are so drastically opposed to one another, then what?

                    1. Misha profile image75
                      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      The majority of people who voted for Obama are not devote Christians, so your shot misses the target. smile

                      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        True. Plus, how many people who check "Christian" on the census box are leading lives Sandra would accept as "Christian"?

                    2. William R. Wilson profile image59
                      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Love thy neighbor?

                      edit:  oh yeah, and you are deluded.

                    3. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      They are not opposed to one another. Muslims accept both the Old and New Testaments. Muslims venerate Jerusalem; and they do so in part because they believe it is where Abraham (almost) sacrificed his son. Muslims stand almost exactly where Christians stand on issues like abortion, homosexuality, and marriage. In fact, in Europe, where you could barely hit a believing Christian with a stone if you tried, it is the influx of Muslims that has helped Christians fight for these values.

                      In addition, uniquely, Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews, (but not Hindus or Buddhists, or liberals or atheists) and under certain circumstances no-one has to convert. Also, in historical Muslim countries, Jews and Christians had special protection under the law.

                      Finally, Mecca was so full of Christians at the time of Mohammed, there is little doubt this is where he got half of Islamic belief in any case..

                      But let's ask this question the other way around. Imagine you are a Muslim American, born in the USA, and fighting in Afghanistan with the US armed forces. Shouldn't you be upset that someone is posting this stuff on the Internet?

                      1. William R. Wilson profile image59
                        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        It won't work, AS.  She has her mind made up. Facts won't persuade her, so thought experiments certainly won't.

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                        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        That's your interpretation.  Now ask the majority. smile

          2. SweetiePie profile image83
            SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well many of us are making sane contributions to this forum, and I consider myself among them.  I am discussing religion in the context that it does not matter what someone's religion is.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Fair enough. But as earnesthub has pointed out many times, from our outsider perspective it is an odd Western democracy where a presidential candidate cannot admit to being an atheist for fear of never getting elected... but maybe that is a skewed Australian-British-Canadian perspective. It just seems weird from our point of view that's all.

              1. SweetiePie profile image83
                SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I agree with earnest on this point. Earnest knows I am not one of those Americans that cares about a president's religion.  Everything I have been saying on here is quite the opposite actually.  As an American I have lent some good expertise to the discussion by bringing up the point about Jefferson though, showing he was more of a deist.  In his day that is about as atheistic as anyone could get really.  Today he might have been an atheist considering the way he did question religion.

              2. TMMason profile image74
                TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That is because America, even though many deny it and refuse to believe it, is a Christian country. Founded and otherwise. No matter how the left tries to deny this, in the end it is true.

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I guess that's why you have all of those strip joints...

                  1. TMMason profile image74
                    TMMasonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah.

                2. SweetiePie profile image83
                  SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Not once is Jesus referred to in the US Constitution.  In the Declaration they referred to "endowed by their Creator," which is pure Deist language and thought.  If they were true hardcore Christians there would have been a religious test for office in the Constitution, and believe it Americans were trying to get away from that.

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, trying to get away from that but you have a problem with my problem.  ironic?

          3. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL I see a pattern, too lol

      5. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        I respect that. Different things are important to different people.

      6. videosgoneviral profile image82
        videosgoneviralposted 6 years ago

        Ok w/e just cuz I'm hot and your not. Dont Hate!

      7. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        According to this Wiki article, Jefferson never claimed to be a deist:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ … Presidents

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          This is not the right way to use wiki, Habee smile

        2. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is what I got from reading it.  He belonged to the Unitarian sect, which is pure deism by the way. They do not consider Jesus to be God, and most do not even consider him to be the son of God.

      8. prettydarkhorse profile image62
        prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago

        3/4th of the population according to the latest census is Christian

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Population of what?

          1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            25 percent is not Christian. That's an awful lot of Americans who might get a little antsy about people's concern that the leader is one of them dark-skinned religions...

            Again, this is totally disrespectful both to the Muslims who fight in the US armed forces, the millions of non-Christian Americans, and the tradition of American tolerance that saw people flock to your shores.

            (I am not direting this at you, prettydarkhorse, btw)

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              sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              WOW!  And I am rude and insensitive.  Nice.  lol

          2. prettydarkhorse profile image62
            prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            OH Misha, nice AVATAR LOL,

            3/4 of the pop'n of the USA -- Christian

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks Pretty smile Gotcha smile

          3. Tom Cornett profile image58
            Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Vegas!  smile

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL

      9. William R. Wilson profile image59
        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

        Jefferson was a rationalist who agreed with the tenets, if not the dogma, of Christianity.  Nothing wrong with that.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Except that he implies that Jefferson is a Muslim.  You still think there is nothing wrong with that?

        2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Like me. But I am not a Christian either. I just think that the ideas Jesus is depicted as exemplifying are right on. Which also happens to be the Muslim position on Jesus... Muslims believe in the New Testament, and that Jesus was one of only a handful of eathshakingly important representatives from God.

      10. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        According to Sandburg, Lincoln was agnostic.

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I have heard some talk about how Lincoln did not accept the Bible, so it is very likely.

      11. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        Are you saying Jefferson didn't believe in an afterlife?

        1. SweetiePie profile image83
          SweetiePieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I was not in his head at the time, but many Unitarians do not.  Anyway, in the end it does not matter, but modern day Christians would not consider Jefferson among their ranks.  He never spoke of Christ as his personal savior the way some presidents have.  Carter is actually very religious, and you know recently he left the Baptist church because of his concerns about it insistence upon women being subservient.

          1. habee profile image91
            habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't know that - wow!

      12. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

        Quite possibly the most ridiculous thread ever started.  First post was nonsensical BS, and it got worse from there.

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Ron, how is your cupcake business? wink

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I may need to start a new line after this thread.

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              sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Cupcakes!big_smile

        2. Tom Cornett profile image58
          Tom Cornettposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lions vs Browns in Superbowl!  smile

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Compared to this thread, that would make sense.

        3. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And posted by its own author under Conspiracy Theories!

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think admins moved it smile

        4. habee profile image91
          habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Did you miss the ones about oral sex and masturbation?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            At least those are about topics that are relevant to most people's lives.

            What does Obama's religion have to do with anything to anyone but Obama?

            Sandra appears to have gone off the deep end.

      13. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago

        If really seeking to know, this is very telling of the crazy lengths Obama had to go to in shutting up those who made an issue out of every word he spoke. Crazy that this was needed! smile
        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w … 567187.ece

      14. Ron Montgomery profile image61
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

        http://www.4tnz.com/files/cupcaketattoo.jpg

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Is it real or is it a "lick-em-on?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            One way to find out wink

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              sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You're kind of pasty so you make a good background!

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The cherry is actually a boil.

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                  sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The perfect touch!

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        arshad817posted 6 years ago

        I just joined this site and found so much hate towards Muslims and I am one, and I dont understand why people have f**k**g problem with Muslims.  I dont give a F**k about them but suggest them get a f**K**g life ppl.

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you a hitite or a sunny?

        2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I already commented that this was going to happen -- I mean, it's not called the World Wide Web for nothing. Most Muslims are not political and are decent people. But seeing this stuff makes it look like the crap that Osama bin Laden tries to feed people about America is true. This is why it is dangerous stuff: it turns up the temperature.... and why would anyone want to do that. We are not sitting in our kitchens here -- this is an international forum of billions.

          1. Misha profile image75
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Come on AS, too much of a sock smell LOL

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not with you -- you think it's a fake poster? Not following you, sorry...

              1. Misha profile image75
                Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Yep, that's exactly what I am thinking. Sock puppet smile

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Well, arshad is not a name many would know, and the English is sufficiently incorrect... but anything's possible. Still, my point stands, in my view.

                  1. Misha profile image75
                    Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, I do agree to you on that. This thread is not something that will enhance East-West relations on a grassroot level unfortunately sad

                    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Osama's a freakin' genius. Ten years ago most Americans didn't know a Muslim from a post office. Now, even my grandmother, who is not even American, or in America, goes on constantly about them... she never had a problem with them before.

                      That piece of turd sitting in a cave has generated a "clash of civilizations" out of nothing. He should be in PR work.

                      1. Misha profile image75
                        Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        If not for him, somebody else would have done something else within several years interval. The fall of Empire was inevitable.

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                        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        Did she start talking about them in September?

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            sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Who cares?  We don't need to kiss anyones butt! Unless of course it's our partners and only after missing an aniversery or birthday.

            If thats the case they need to clean-up their house and prove they belong to a civilized sociaty.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Good God, the genuises are out tonight... How about this. Forget all that I wrote, and simply accept that it's rude. Or has politeness been excluded as an American value now too?

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                sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                PC does not supercede the facts.

            2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah, just like the Christians did.........

              Maybe not such a great example

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                sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                All they have to do is stand with and not against us. Saying you are doesn't cut-it!

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Little Timmy McVeigh?

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Two wrongs don't make a right! That said, If our government doesn't get it's act together you'll probably see more domestic terrorists. A lot of urbanites don't really understand the undertow. I don't think it would take much I've seen alot buisness at the gun shows and surplus stores way more than normal.

                2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You have microphones and cameras in all of their homes, do you. Just where do they stand so that you can see them? On a Fox News interview? Hard to fit a billion people in a tv studio.

                  Muslims are fighting terrorists all over the world. The Turks are Muslims, they are your allies. The Egyptians, the Saudis, allies, the Pakistanis, allies. And then there are the MUSLIM AMERICAN SERVICEMEN FIGHTING IN THE US ARMED FORCES.

                  Muslim regimes fight terrorism all the time -- they have to because those terrorists want to overthrow them.

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The entire world is afraid of a 'small' group of Muslim extremist?

                    "Hey oh what are we fighting for, don't ask me cause I don't give a damn, I am on my way to Afghanistan." 

                    Originally that song said on my way to Vietnam but it doesn't matter right?

                    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I am totally confused by your comment. The fight against Chinese Commmunism`s influence was, in principle, a good thing, because they were a bunch of bastards. The same goes for the Taliban.

                      But I am still confused. Let us say that there are a hundred thousand terrorists. That is a lot when it only took twenty to bring down the World Trade Center towers.

                      Yet, also, 100,000 out of 1,000,000,000 is 0.01 percent of all Muslims.

                      But I don`t understand still. The entire world is not afraid of them. I mean, most of America`s allies are in Afghanistan to lend America a hand against people who have specifically stated that they hate the US. But most of these countries have never been subject to terrorism themselves (except from homegrown terrorists like the IRA, the Red Brigade, and so on). They are helping you out...

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                        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        Or we are helping them out.  irony

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    The people have to step up and point out the guilty! They know whos shooting the rockets and they know what relatives are involved. Don't fool yourself I saw all those cheering after 9-11.

                    1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                      AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Those people cheering were asswipes and should have their heads knocked together. If you`re talking about rockets in the Palestinian conflict, then probably other Palestinians know who is doing it, but I doubt that Muslims in India, Malaysia, Bosnia, Nigeria or America know who is shooting those rockets.

                      However, five out of six Muslims are not even Arabs, and even those Muslims that are Arabs live, in some cases, thousands of miles from the Middle-East, (Moroccans live on the Atlantic coast, for example, Yemenis live on the Indian Ocean). Arabs are hardly one big group -- Moroccans and Saudis can`t even understand each other`s dialects, for example.

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                        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        "hey oh, what are we fighting for? Don't ask me cause I don't give a damn.  I am on my way to Afghanistan".

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                        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                        They have to stand up and be counted as a good guy or gal. I don't have any thing against anybody that can be honest and just. But we have to be on our guard we can't assume anything.

              2. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
                AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Besides which, millions of "them" already belong to a (semi-)civilized society -- America. This what is so incredible; we are talking about American citizens, many of them born in America, some of whom have parents born in America. This is no different than all the racisms of the past. Depressing...

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                  sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  What exactly are you trying to say?  Because I was born and raised in America and am American I am racist?

      16. habee profile image91
        habeeposted 6 years ago

        Good one, Ron!

      17. dashingclaire profile image80
        dashingclaireposted 6 years ago

        Interesting! When did Obama convert? He was slammed for Rev White a Christian pastor's being his pastor. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwMPNxwHmQ. Oooo maybe Rev White was really Muslim???? May be Kennedy wasn't Catholic, after all he was Obama's mentor. Maybe he was Muslim too! Does anyone know??? Obama's kids go to Sidwell Friends School. It's suppose to be a Quaker school http://www.sidwell.edu/. I bet it's a Muslim school - Obama's just so clever - you think??? Does anyone know if his mother converted? She was the white woman who raised him. Maybe she was the one that turned him - anyone know? Anyone????

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah what happened to all that Reverend Wright stuff? Maybe Obama is a Muslimachristianian

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          sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow! I knew it! I knew it! Those damn liberals pulled another fast one!

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            FYI, Sidwell Friends is a Quaker school, not a Muslim school. Many presidents have sent their children there including Carter and Clinton.

      18. SparklingJewel profile image67
        SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago

        I think it is a valid point that there aren't enough Muslims (that we hear about) standing up against the actions of those that have distorted the Islamic religion into one of hatred and death to infidels.  It may just be another one to blame on the media for not investigating and reporting enough, if the Muslims are speaking up against the violence.

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, the media is too interested in Tiger Woods and Brittany Murphy to actually do some JOURNALISM. And this is the problem -- it doesn`t matter if you stand up for something, or against something, if you are deemed by the news channels as not likely to get ratings or advertising...

          1. SparklingJewel profile image67
            SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I wonder if the media is feeding what the population wants, as use to be the charge against them, or if they are just doing what some elitist, world manipulator wants to keep the ball rolling and the money coming in to line thier pockets...
            war is a big business/money maker

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image73
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              A bit of both, sez I.

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The Detroit area, as you know, has a lot of Muslim-Americans. Their leaders spoke out strongly against 9-11 and every Al Qaeda atrocity since then. Many of them are quietly cooperating with law enforcement authorities on terrorism issues.

       
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