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Do you feel safer now?

  1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago

    The gov't. can't seem to make up their minds. With the plane incident and the major, they still can't call it terrorism. What do you think?

    1. Presigo profile image59
      Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I think we have so convoluted definitions and avoided searching suspected terrorists that it would be foolish to feel safe now.

      1. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I have a vision of some politicos sitting in the CIA or NSA rubbing their hands together thanking God for the terrorists and the whole advantage it gives them to operate.  Can you think of a more fabulous scapegoat?

        I don't know who said it but it goes something like, never let a good crisis pass you by.

        1. Arthur Fontes profile image91
          Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Rahm (deadfish) Emanual quote

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          rham,

          I feel sorry for your thought.

        3. Springboard profile image82
          Springboardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          It never ceases to amaze me the complacency under which some people operate. It seems entirely preposterous to me that anyone would wish for a terror event for the sake of politcal gain or to legitimize a need for an agency.

          The plain truth is that there are radical extremist muslims who wish to kill us, and until we really wake up wholly to that fact, not just Americans, but the entire world will be in grave danger.

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            spring,

            Agree.

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Pres,

        True, but we need all agency's and the head guy to take charge more. Holder and Napolitano should get out of their positions.

    2. starme77 profile image86
      starme77posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Smokescreen - crap

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      grneisposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Couldn't find the part of the thread about Obama's Education/intelligence that I commented on and you questioned the day before yesterday, so I will finish with this info.

      Barack Obama's educational background:

      Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first
      year was selected as an editor of the law review based on his grades and a
      writing competition. In his second year he was elected president of the law
      review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and
      supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors. Obama's election in
      February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was
      widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.
      [ He graduated with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and
      returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the
      law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.]

      Undergraduate
      Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA
      Undergraduate, 1981-1983

      Columbia University
      B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations
      Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament

      Graduate
      Harvard Law School
      J.D. magna cum laude 1988-1991

      President, Harvard Law Review
      1993-2004 Visiting Law and Government Fellow, then Senior Lecturer,
      in Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School. Taught
      courses on the due process and equal protection areas of constitutional
      law, on voting rights, and on racism and law. Helped develop a casebook
      on voting rights.

      Something happened to the thread and it has veered off in a weird direction of personal back and forth by a few people.  So bye now

    4. aware profile image70
      awareposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      i never felt unsafe

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        aware,

        Wait until they strike near you.

    5. tobey100 profile image60
      tobey100posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The politician mind set is not that difficult to understand.  We're currently so worried we might offend some group, we're probably gonna die in the near future due to 'correctness'.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Tobey,

        Lets kill PC first!

    6. Danny R Hand profile image60
      Danny R Handposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Government propaganda is designed to keep us in fantasy land, Safe, depends on if you choose to dwell in their false sense of security.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Danny,

        A very true statement.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The fact that they are treating this guy as a criminal and giving him the constitutional rights of a US citizen clearly shows, Obama, Holder, Napolitano and this entire administration is absent of any logic what so ever!

      This guy is without a doubt a foot soldier of AL qaeda, with whom we are at war. He should be treated as an enemy combatant tried in a military tribunal and put to death!

      Everything this administration does regarding foreign policy makes us look weak and leaves us open to further attacks. It's frustrating to watch as these socialists that are running our country do everything possible to lead us to destruction on every front! 2012 can't come soon enough to save us from disaster!

      1. rhamson profile image76
        rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The two party politic is the cause and not the solution.  There is a method to their madness and as long as we promote one side of the slime for the other there will be no change.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Now, that is a reasonable response.

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          Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well I disagree. It's not the party system that is the problem but the character of those that vie for leadership that is the real problem.

          1. rhamson profile image76
            rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            How do you change the character of the political party system with out changing the system.  It is entrenched so deeply that the corruption cannot be weeded out without their cooperation.  Good luck with that.

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              rham,

              I had ways when I was going to run. First was not accepting any donations, it was all Internet and whomever picked it up. I had no chance, but I had a good Platform. Check my Hub about no longer.

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Poppa,

            It may be the voters. Our population has chosen sides and is not well informed. Many just do not believe truth. I'm so glad to see people agreeing with me.

    8. MikeNV profile image76
      MikeNVposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    Nope.  Not at all.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      sandra,

      And you shouldn't.

    2. cheaptrick profile image75
      cheaptrickposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Me neither!

  3. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago

    Is it going to make you feel safer if they call it terrorism?

    To answer your question, I feel neither more or less safe.  The chance of being injured by a terrorist attack is so slim that the only reason it even crosses my mind is because it's impossible to avoid hearing about it.  I don't understand why everyone is so afraid; the fear seems way out of proportion to me.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The same mind set, I think was with the people who didn't believe they had anything to worry about until that one day when... and then they cried, how could this happen? 

      It happens around the world, it's happening now.  It really happens.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Of course it happens.  Car accidents happen, too, but I don't worry about it every time I drive and it's much more likely I'll be injured driving than by a terrorist.  I'm just saying people's fear of terrorism (in the U.S.) seems to be out of proportion to the actual possibility of it happening.

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes so just add another one to the list.  I don't feel any safer. wink

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sandra,

            What can I say; keep going.

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Pretty,

          This issue is evidentally bigger than you think. I'm not saying you should be paranoid, just aware.

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sandra,

        You go girl!

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pretty,

      Even if it's not you it can be one of your fellow citizens. a little compassion for others would be nice.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Compassion isn't reserved only for victims of terrorism.  I suspect I have more compassion in my little finger than many of those who are so fearful of terrorism that they are willing to forgo basic civil rights at home and support the so-called spread of democracy through military force -- all in the name of combating terrorism.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          pretty,

          I love civil right, but our security is at stake now.

    3. donotfear profile image91
      donotfearposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "Is it going to make you feel safer if they call it terrorism?"
      Answer: No, it's going to define it for what it actually IS - terrorism!

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        dnf,

        Exactly on target.

  4. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    They caught the guy, so I definitely think they are doing their job.  Is this a new thread about how Muslims are just big boogie monsters, because really, I think some are a bit prejudice if you get my drift.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They caught the guy because when he set off the bomb it didn't go boom...

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry, but starting a thread just because you do not like Muslims is considered hate speech.  The person who started this thread has an agenda, and it is plain as day.  The man was caught, and that is that.  Please everyone before you go off the deep end, realize how hate mongering and claiming all Muslims are terrorists is just wrong.  At least us rational human beings have not fallen prey to these fear tactics.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not saying that at all... You stated " They caught the guy, so I definitely think they are doing their job. " I was just correcting this part of your statement. Citizens on the plane caught the guy, not our government.

          1. SweetiePie profile image84
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Security still caught him.  You should not be trying to correct people, and it sounds as if you have a fear of the government I do not understand.  I am sort of fearful of those who fear the government that much because the advocate anarchy, and that is something I am not okay with.  Our government is not so bad, and if you lived in a country like Iran, well then, you might have a reason to fear the government.  Americans do not actually realize how lucky they are, truly.

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              So you are saying that the person/s who 'caught the guy' only caught him because...?  Are you saying the person/s who caught him were racist?  Are you saying that what those people did to 'catch the guy' was anarchy and the thanks should be given to the government instead?

              1. SweetiePie profile image84
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Bottom line: there is a degree of prejudice in starting threads purporting that Muslims are out to destroy the world.  Do not put words in my mouth Sandra, and anyone who reads what I said knows what I said.  No trouble making please.

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                  sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Then don't put them  into mine.  What I took from their religion came out of their book that they say is the truth.  I didn't say destroy the world, I said their book says that they will make everyone submit to Islam. 

                  That is part of their book that is what scares me, that is what is going on.  One of the most beautiful things I ever seen was a mosque and a church side by side on the same lot. 

                  However no amount of debate could convince either side that what is written in the Koran is not going to happen.  What don't you get.

                  The christians beleive it, the Muslims believe it and they both play their roles.  Christians say that Islam is going to try to make the world submit to them, the Muslims say they are going to make everyone submit to them too so...

                  This is according to both books.

                  I do realize how lucky I am as an american and I am sure that the Islamic centers also know how lucky they are to be an American. 

                  So when the same things that go on in their countries come over this way to our shores, what did they get away from?

                  1. SweetiePie profile image84
                    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Sandra I never put words in your mouth, but you did to me.  Really this thread is way too much drama, so have fun.  I was responding to several other people on this thread.  It is not all about you.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sweetie,

      I'm not PC, it's a bunch of crap. Call a spade a spade! Who is responsible for all these bombings around the world that kill all kinds of people?

      If you want this to turn into a Muslim thread, fine. Who kills the most Muslim's; Muslim's.

  5. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 7 years ago

    We did not catch the guy, passengers did. Motivated by self preservation and let down by their government for leaving them in this position

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pres,

      EXCELLENT!

  6. TMMason profile image73
    TMMasonposted 7 years ago

    PC SUICIDE

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      lol I have seen that a couple times, what is it?  Personal computer suicide? smile

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      TM,

      You got that right.

  7. William R. Wilson profile image61
    William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago

    Anyone know how many people were killed in the US in the past 20 years by terrorism?

    Because about 40,000 people are killed every year in car accidents. 

    So no, I'm not to worried about getting blowed up.  It could happen but there's other stuff to worry about.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      William,

      The big question is; how many people in the world. If it keeps getting worse it moves on.

  8. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    There have always been people that look for the bad in every situation.  I think the forums relish this type of mentality, especially the political forums.

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      thank you, sweetie pie.  it is most definitely a type of mentality.  they're talking 'bout a revolation:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUsBvkfQKUw

      1. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The guy in the video seemed to have a bit too much time on his hands lol.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          sweetie, Wasn't the interviewer a bigger idiot? The guy being interviewed was no genius and said some poor things, also some good. Why did the interviewer bring up racism?

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        blue,

        You must be kidding! If you want to discuss your theoris, start a thread.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sweetie,

      You would understand more if you were older. Not meant as a cut, experience.

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        Star Witnessposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Bah, humbug.  I'm afraid I'd take SP's view of things over the quote, quote, "older, more experienced," uh, views displayed here any day.  And I'm very experienced.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          star,

          I'm not talking about the bedroom. There is a lot of young innocense coming from her. If she is as young as her picture, I can understand her beliefs.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, but your pic is of someone much older and, well.... you know.

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Ron,

              You only hope to reach my age; jealous?

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am indeed jealous.  I will spend the upcoming year basing my life on the wonderful example you set for all of us.

        2. Mitch Rapp profile image60
          Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          At?

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Mitch,

            Not exactly sure what you are saying.

            1. Mitch Rapp profile image60
              Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I was responding to the "elitist" of the forums, wasn't directed at you.

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Mitck,

                OK.

      2. SweetiePie profile image84
        SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I understand a lot now thank you very much.  You are not my daddy, and even I do not ask him about my every move.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          sweetie,

          We all learn as we grow, that was not an insult. I was a liberal when younger.

          I don't want to be your daddy!

          1. SweetiePie profile image84
            SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Well I know many liberals in their seventies and eighties.  Ralph Deeds is pretty liberal, and I have to say I actually admire what he has to say.  You on the other hand, not so much....

            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              sweetie,

              Believe it or not, I always test as a Centrist. The pendulum has swung to the left too far. I used to be considered a liberal. I haven't changed, both parties have moved to the left.

              1. SweetiePie profile image84
                SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Actually some of the more progressive types tell me that endorsing someone like Obama makes you too moderate for their tastes.  If anything the Democratic party is absorbing many Republicans because their party continues to jaunt down the path of religious zealotry, which is a little ironic really.  Depends on who you talk to, and I notice you sort of like extreme propaganda.

              2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
                Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I'll choose "not".

              3. Manly Man profile image61
                Manly Manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Harvey, it doesn't strike me as accurate to say that the Republican Party has "moved to the left." There are very few moderates left in the party. Most of them have been displaced by the likes of Imhof and other right wingers who are under the influence of the Evangelical Christians or Big Oil or both. The East Coast and West Coast moderate Republicans of the 50s-80s are virtually extinct.

                1. kmackey32 profile image82
                  kmackey32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Hey crack kills ya know.... lol

                  1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    k,

                    Good comment.

                2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                  Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Manly,

                  Nice cheeks! The Republican Party has moved left or none of them would vote with the Democrat's. They have been letting the Democrat's inch left for years, and the Dem's keep moving further left.

  9. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 7 years ago

    Anyone know how many people are killed by heart attack ?  So I am not worried about car accidents !!   Fantastic logic

    1. William R. Wilson profile image61
      William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Really.  How many people killed in the US by terrorism?

      Say 500 in Oklahoma city.  3000 on 9/11.  20 by the Ft. Hood shooter.  20 by Malvo the sniper.  3 by Anthrax (I'm guesstimating all these numbers). 

      Any more terrorist incidents you can think of?  Because we're at 3543 now, in 20 years. 

      That's about 177 people a year killed by terrorism.

      Did you know that around 100 people die every year from bee stings?  Why haven't we declared war on Bee stings?

      40,000 a year killed in car accidents.  I drive every day.  At this point in my life, I have a much higher chance of dying in a car accident than any other cause.

      1. Presigo profile image59
        Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        And these numbers though not signicant to you are this low because we are complacent ? If the government took your rational we would do nothing to prevent it. Therefore maybe the numbers would be of a more significant amount for you.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I don't recall seeing where anyone said we should "do nothing to prevent it."  Obviously, the work currently being done by the good people of the CIA, NSA, and FBI is working pretty well.  They can't catch them all, though, but they certainly do try.

      2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Add all the soldiers and sailors killed in the line of duty, fighting the terrorists overseas...

      3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        William,

        Did you forget the first bombing of the trade center? Americans are also killed overseas, the USS Cole and Embasy bombings.

        1. William R. Wilson profile image61
          William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You're right Harvey, but the point is that Americans are very unlikely to be killed by terrorist acts.  We can't let it affect our everyday lives, or cause us to make foolish political decisions. 

          Fear is the mind killer.

          1. Presigo profile image59
            Presigoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            It is unlikely because we take measures now to protect us, if the government screened nobody anywhere to get on a plane there would be a lot more terrorists, pretty self apparant

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            William,

            Eight more were just killed by a suicide bomber.

            1. blue dog profile image79
              blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              and every 13 minutes someone in the u.s. dies in a car crash.  your point?

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Blue,

                If you don't know the difference between them ..................

            2. William R. Wilson profile image61
              William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              In Pakistan, right?  Not in America.

              Again - my point is that terrorism has little relevance in my day to day life.

              Now - as to the suicide bombers in Pakistan and Iraq:  how many of them were there before we invaded Iraq?

              This is what I'm talking about when I say fear makes us make stupid decisions. 

              Saddam, while truly a despicable person, had nothing to do with 9/11 or al Qaeda.  We left our pursuit of the real enemy in order to invade Iraq.  This turned many more people against us worldwide and was the best propaganda that al Qaeda could get.  The people in Iraq are much less safe than they were before the war. 

              You don't win wars by turning your attention from one enemy to another right in the middle.

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                William,

                I have no idea where the Al-Queda guys were before, probably too young to ...I forgot, age doesn't matter to them.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Pres,

      What a great analogy; I have learned so much. At least maybe sweetie will.

  10. Sufidreamer profile image80
    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago

    Certainly, there is cause for concern, but it is still isolated. The IRA had a concerted bombing campaign in and around my hometown, but we just got on with things.

    Otherwise, the terrorists succeed in their aims - spreading fear and hatred sad

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sufi the person who started this thread has written hubs about how Muslims or anyone who shows an interest in Islam is not to be trusted.  It is very sad to say the least.

      1. Sufidreamer profile image80
        Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Sweetie - Hope that life is treating you well and you had a great Xmas smile

        I know the Hubs you speak of - I had some good, long conversations with Harvey and we both learned something, so that was cool. We disagreed about some things and agree about others, which is all part of good debate smile

        Must admit, you can still have some great discussions on HP, away from the forums! That reminds me - I have not visited your Hubs for a while, so shall have to swing by big_smile

        1. SweetiePie profile image84
          SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          That is good you can have discussions with him, but I draw the line when people write things I find offensive.  He does not respect certain people, and I refuse to get past that point.  There are plenty of people to chat with on Hubpages that do not send me emails about Michael Jackson being a racist just because he had an interest in Islam.

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            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            He was actually Jehovah's witness.

            1. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              When he was younger but fell away.  Michael Jackson expressed an interest in Islam and read many Islamic texts, and the man who started this thread thought he was a racist for this reason.  Sorry, but I really do not have a problem with people being Muslim, or even showing an interest in Islam.  This thread really is not in the good spirit of Hubpages at all.

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                sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I showed an interest in Islam and read many Islamic text... what do you make of it?

                1. SweetiePie profile image84
                  SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I have read and studied Islamic texts too.  I think it is good to study about world religions, although as I have said before I do not profess a great interest in joining a religion.  The person who started this thread has sent me emails about Michael Jackson being a racist, and I was referring to this.  Anyway, I just do not buy into all the fear mongering, that is all.

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What good has come out of it even for those who are innocent?

        1. William R. Wilson profile image61
          William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What good has come out of Islam? 

          Might as well ask what good has come out of Christianity.  Because you can look at anything from a biased perspective and end up seeing only what you want to see.

          Negatives from Christianity:

          Christianity:  genocide of Native Americans, and indigenous people all over the world.  Burning of witches and centuries of Inquisition.  Slavery.  Resistance to the scientific worldview that has brought us out of the middle ages and given us material prosperity, longer, healthier lives, and unprecedented knowledge of how the world works.   

          Positives from Islam:

          Algebra.  Double entry accounting.  Coffee.  The pointed arch.  Windmills.  Inoculation.

          Religious tolerance:

          http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate … 9503544482

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            sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So you tolerate terrorism because christianity hasn't had a very good record either?

            1. William R. Wilson profile image61
              William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              LOL I never said I tolerate terrorism.  I'm just not worried about my personal safety being affected by Islamic terrorists. 

              I am, however, a little worried by the Klan and the teabaggers and Christian wingnuts who stockpile guns and believe that Obama is a covert Muslim antichrist socialist new world order capitalist whatever.

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                sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Then it sounds like you don't actually feel any safer either.

                1. William R. Wilson profile image61
                  William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Let's say I feel no more or less safe than I did when Bush was in office.

                  But the overwhelming odds are, if I die tommorrow it will be in a car accident, not a terrorist attack.  I don't worry about dying in a car accident, although I do drive safely. 

                  Likewise, I'm not going to spend my life worrying about something that will probably never happen.

                  1. SweetiePie profile image84
                    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I would not try to rationalize with anyone who tries to discount your rational comments.  This thread advocates fear and the sky is falling mentality.  I hope they have fun with it.

              2. blue dog profile image79
                blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                don't forget black.  although they fear being called a racist, being a bigot is okay in their eyes.

          2. Sufidreamer profile image80
            Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't know about the e-mail, Sweetie - that is disappointing. sad

            Fully agree with you, William - Islamic science and philosophy is a passion of mine. Without the Islamic scholars, we would know nothing of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle - the Muslims kept the flame alight and the Greeks are very grateful for that. Medicine, mathematics, engineering, agriculture - the list of innovations goes on and on smile

            If I could travel back in time, the Houses of Learning in Baghdad would be my first port of call. Muslim, Jewish and Christian scholars from all over the known world, meeting and sharing ideas smile

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              The whole question was, what good has come out of Islam even for the innocent ones. wink

              1. Sufidreamer profile image80
                Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Perhaps you would clarify the question, if you don't mind - it is past 1am here, my brain is fuzzy, and I am not fully sure what you are asking smile

                SweetiePie - Noted - thanks for the update and for the kind words smile

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                  sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Because they are being killed by their own people and they didn't do anything.  In my eyes innocent is innocent but that is what their religion has done to them.  Some of them come over here so they can believe in peace. 

                  But it follows along wherever it goes.  I am almost certain that those Islamic folks living in America are aware of what is going on and do not think I am being prejudice or racist when they consider the bigger picture because it was written in both books.

                  There are folks who have accepted both sides for what it is not what they wish it to be. 

                  I met a very lovely woman at a Mosque.  I asked her why they were blowing people up.  In short she said to me, "listen, they are not from God now are they?" 

                  Why my views on never wishing war or death on anyone has suddenly vanished into oblivion, because I believe in the end? 

                  And Sufi, then I am certain you understand what I mean by that... having studied the Koran as well.

                  1. Sufidreamer profile image80
                    Sufidreamerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Sure - thanks for the clarification smile

                    I think that we have a different perspective - we had the IRA for a long time and learned not to judge an entire race or religion by the actions of a few extremists. The same with the Greeks and the Turks - the vast majority of Greeks and Turks get on just fine, but there are always the loud extremes who shout and try to create trouble.

                    I know many Muslims and they do not subscribe to this idea that everybody should submit to Islam, any more than most Christians do not believe in Biblical literalism of zionism. My life is shaped by people I meet and make friendships with, not the media's demonization of other cultures. I meet many Iranians in Greece, and they are not the fanatical demons that some of the recent rhetoric on HP implies.

                    It is a complex issue, but this idea that Muslims are standing by and letting extremists rule is not completely true (although there is some justification) - 60 million Pakistanis signed a petition proclaiming that terrorism was not in their name, yet there was little about that in the news. Sadly, there is so much politics involved in many Islamic nations and the religion is used as a form of control. For research, I have been speaking to young Muslims around the world, and I see a lot of hope. If you are interested, there are thousands of young Iranians and Saudis reaching out, with blogs and social networking - they see Americans and Europeans as friends, not enemies. They shared your grief at 9/11 and did not dance in the streets smile

                    A little tangent, from something I have been working on - women in Islamic nations, such as Iran, are not oppressed because of the Shari'a. It is because the conservatives in power fear women - that is why they make these laws to subjugate and control them. Personally, I think that something is brewing in Iran and revolution is around the corner - I just hope that it is peaceful, although that may be a forlorn hope sad

                    As for holy books - I am Christian, but hold little regard for literal interpretations of the Bible. If you look outside Saudi Arabia, most of the Islamic countries of the world are building democracies - in 50 or so years, they have come a long way, although there is still much work to be done. How long did it take the US and UK to build their democracies? Talking about laying waste the Islamic world and fearing Islam goes back to my earlier point - it lets the terrorists win by giving credence to the extremists. Ahmadinejad, aka the Poison Dwarf, has fabricated this entire diplomatic battle over nuclear weapons because he is using 'fear of America' to divert the people away from the fact that most of them hate him.

                    Do we feel safer - again, please bear in mind that we are looking from a completely different perspective, but we feel a lot safer than when the neo-cons tried to spread democracy and peace with bombs smile

            2. SweetiePie profile image84
              SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              This person has also harassed Lita on the email.  He starts out all nice and conversational, and then sent her some really ugly messages.  Those had nothing to do with Islam this time around, but it had to do with politics, or something of the like. 

              I admire your peace making ways Sufi smile.  You are able to get along with everyone, and that is good.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      sufi,

      I only asked if you feel safer, there was no mention of what you should do.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago

    The liberals are behind all our problems. No liberals no problems.

    1. blue dog profile image79
      blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this
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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nice!

      2. William R. Wilson profile image61
        William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What's the last thing a redneck says before he dies?

        "Hey, watch this!"

        What does his friend say?

        "Yer doin' it, yer doin' it!"

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          sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Hey! My cousin twice removed said that before he tried to use the power pole to git his pick-up outta the mud. The pole fell on his truck and there were sparks and strange lights and we got the video!

        2. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You obviously know nothing about rednecks. A true redneck friend would be right there doing it with the first guy. They usually bring their wemmings along to serve as eyewitnesses and to tell the tale.

          1. William R. Wilson profile image61
            William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            You must be talking about Georgia rednecks.  My experience has mainly been with the East Tennessee variety.

            1. blue dog profile image79
              blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              unfortunately, they appear to be of epidemic proportions in texas.

              1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
                Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                blue,

                I hope someone from Texas steps in.

                1. Mitch Rapp profile image60
                  Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Those of us from Texas know the jealousy of those who live here but will never be Texan.

          2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            hab,

            My neck isn't red, I'll stay out of this.

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Good spelling; otherwise your post has the usual deficiencies.

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        sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        When are we going to start dating again?

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Dunno, maybe our next stint in prison?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p9In4SiOeo

    3. mega1 profile image78
      mega1posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      right - so I suppose you're gonna personally start with a list of all the liberals you know!  and if there are still problems when all the liberals are gone we can attack the animal lovers!

    4. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      sneak,

      There are always problems.

    5. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I knew there was a simple scapegoat in this.  It sounds like such a quick fix. 

      Next, how do we get rid of all the liberals?

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        rahm,

        It was Bush's fault, everything else is!

  12. Presigo profile image59
    Presigoposted 7 years ago

    Agreed hate mongering and clasifying all people within a group as being evil or bad is not the right thing to do

  13. SweetiePie profile image84
    SweetiePieposted 7 years ago

    Sufi you make some good points.  I read the book Honeymoon in Tehran, which is written by an Iranian-American woman who has lived and reported in the country for years.  Actually many of the young and educated Iranians yearn to have a closer relationship with the West, but their government is run by mullahs who like extremism.  Most Muslims do not even subscribe to their religion the way the most devout do.  Same with most people that claim to be Christian.  Most people in the world tend to be worried about more day to day matters, such as finding love, staying in love, or paying the bills.

  14. Ralph Deeds profile image68
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    Metro Detroit Muslims condemn botched attack

    BY TAMMY STABLES BATTAGLIA
    FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER


    Leaders in metro Detroit's Muslim community today condemned Al-Qaeda's claims of involvement in the foiled Christmas Day airline attack, and asked non-Muslims not to link them with terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.

    "No faith or legitimate political ideology could ever justify the injuring or murdering of innocent civilians," Dawud Walid, director of the Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said at a news conference at the center's Southfield offices today. "No cause or grievances can ever justify such wanton violence.

    Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claimed Monday that Abdulmutallab worked with members of its group and used Al Qaeda-manufactured explosives to retaliate for U.S. air strikes against the organization in Yemen.

    "To our fellow Americans, we ask you not to paint all Muslims with a broad brush," Walid responded. "We condemn this type of injustice this criminal committed."

    Kazeem Agboola, imam of the Muslim Community Center of Detroit, said he was "shocked" when he learned that Abdulmutallab was from his native country, Nigeria. He said he gathered members from the center's 25 families of about 10,000 Nigerian Muslims in Michigan on Sunday to remind them to be patient through any backlash they might experience from actions of Abdulmutallab or other religious extremists.

    "These people are outside the true religion and the true fold of Islam," he said, also condemning racial or ethnic profiling as a reaction to the Christmas Day attack. "They are enemies of peace-loving Muslims throughout the world."

    Abdulmutallab's failed attempt to blow up Flight 253 from Amsterdam as it landed in Detroit is not "jihad," or "striving in the cause of God," Walid pointed out. Instead, attacks are "irhab," or "terrorism," and "hirabah," or "unlawful warfare," according to Islam's holy book, the Koran, he said.

    Walid's group is launching its own jihad, an online endeavor to provide legitimate information to young, uneducated Muslims who might fall prey to Internet rhetoric from religious extremists. He expects the online presence to launch by spring.

  15. Hunting Videos profile image61
    Hunting Videosposted 7 years ago

    I don't think it matters which political party is in power on how safe we will be. Those that want to kill us can do it many ways and will be successful at times. We worry about planes. What about trains, cruise ships, buildings, shopping malls and the lists goes on....

  16. Will Apse profile image91
    Will Apseposted 7 years ago

    Deaths/Mortality in the US in 2005 (from CDC)

    Number of deaths: 2,448,017
    Heart disease: 652,091
    Cancer: 559,312
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 143,579
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 130,933
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 117,809
    Diabetes: 75,119
    Alzheimer's disease: 71,599
    Influenza/Pneumonia: 63,001
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 43,901

    Deaths World Wide Terrorism

    Based on statistics compiled for the report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), the number of worldwide attacks by terrorists in 2008 was 11,770, which is an 18 percent decline from the 14,506 attacks in 2007. The number of deaths in 2008 due to terrorist attacks was 15,765, a decline of 30 percent from 22,508 deaths in 2007.


    It's the chronic lower respiratory tract bad guys that worry me,

    1. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Based on my heredity I have at least a 1 in 6 shot at dying from one or more of the top 6.  I already have two of them.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        rham,

        Glad you're still with us.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Will,

      All I care about is every one that died and family and friends. Throw in all that are affected.

  17. livelonger profile image88
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    I agree about the growth part. My parents were conservative when they were younger; now they're more liberal every year. They say they haven't changed, but rather the GOP has strayed further and further away from conservative principles such as staying out of people's private lives and balancing the budget.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      My experience has been similar to that of your parents.  For many years I considered myself to be a conservative.  I still to this day have never voted for a Democrat, (though I will probably add my vote to Obama's 2012 landslide victory).  The one-time political party of thoughtful conservatism has been hijacked by evangelical, charasmatic hate mongerers who lead a rabid pack of narrow minded gullible fools.  The GOP has sold it's soul very cheaply and will continue to suffer the consequences.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Ron,

        53% is not a landslide, you are a funny guy.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Wow! You're already predicting Obama will get 53% in 2012?  I didn't think you would throw in the towel so easily!

          1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
            Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Ron,

            Don't worry, I know it's the alcohol talking. It was 53% in 2008! You alled that a landslide. McCain also won more states; did you know that?

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
              Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I have no idea what the word "alled" means; however I did make a reference to the upcoming Obama landslide in 2012.  Perhaps reading the posts more carefully will enable you to formulate a logical response.

              Perhaps...........

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LL,

      I left the Democrat's for the same reason.

  18. livelonger profile image88
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    Yeah, you have to laugh at the hypocrisy of Republicans' crowing about "limited government" and "fiscal responsibility." Anyone who has their eyes open can only laugh.

    My parents have voted Democrat since 96; 92 was their "transition year" (Perot).  I've voted Democrat since I was old enough to vote, but, then again, as a gay person, the choice has been easy. (Me being gay was a big part of their reason, too - they loathe the homophobia that the GOP cultivates these days)

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image61
      Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Laugh at them?  Sure.  At least they serve some purpose.

      1. livelonger profile image88
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They're only able to preach about limited government and fiscal responsibility, never able to practice it. They're basically arguing that they work better as the minority party in government.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          LL,

          And The Dem's!

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      LL,

      Perot did not run as a Republican; what you said made no sense. So you're gay, I'm not.

  19. kirstenblog profile image78
    kirstenblogposted 7 years ago

    I  do not feel unsafe or safer either. I guess it can be chalked up to faith but since I do not believe in accidents I do not feel a change in my sense of safety due to recent events. Life is and always has been a mix of joys and potential threats and I choose to focus on the joys and trust that everything that happens happens for a reason. It may seem silly but I feel that life is just to short to spend it living in fear of things that have not happened and just might not happen.

    1. The Rope profile image61
      The Ropeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Kristen, could we have a little more info on your statement that "I do not believe in accidents" please.

      1. kirstenblog profile image78
        kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry it took so long to find this post, got busy writing a hub smile. What I mean by I don't believe in accidents is exactly that, nothing happens by accident if it did then everything would have to be considered an accident. There is purpose for everything that is, and everything that happens. It might be a grand plan of some master creator that is often called God, or it comes from within, law of attraction stuff. Perhaps it is some combination of the two, either way a purpose is always served with every event. As a kid growing up I was abused by my step mom until the courts finally decided to remove me from the home. I grew up angry with a chip on my shoulder the size of a boulder. I became very suicidal and made more attempts then I can count, more then once I woke up in the hospital being told that I had almost died, 5 minutes later getting to the hospital and they would not have been able to do anything. I used to think, why me? Why did I have to go through all this crap? Well today I have shared my experiences and more importantly what it took to heal and have had quite a few people say that my experiences with healing from this stuff really helped them. Why me? Well why not? I am strong and courageous enough to want to share when I find someone who might need it. My experiences have given me a life that I am very proud of and has led me to do things that are worth doing. It is no accident that my step mom was abusive and I have learned much from that situation that I could not have learned any other way.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          kirsten,

          Your belief I'n G-D is admirable. Don't you ubderstand the Jihad against the US is in the name of Allah?

          1. kirstenblog profile image78
            kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes. I live in London and was here for the 7/7 attacks, I lived in NY when 9/11 happened. By all rights I should not be here, but not because of those attacks. My mother had scheduled to have an abortion when pregnant with me but then had a total mental collapse and did not make the appointment due to being hospitalized. I almost died of whooping cough as an infant my future adopted dad just happened to glance at me as I was turning a deep shade of purple and was able to do mouth to mouth. More then one suicide attempt would have resulted in death if it had taken 5 extra minutes to get me help. You are more likely to get hit by a car (which I have also experienced roll ) then die because of a brainwashed youth who thinks they are serving Allah by blowing themselves up. Do you live in fear of cars that might hit you? Or do you carry on with your life realizing that it is out of your hands if you get hit by a car and the only real choice you have is to live in fear or not? Having been hit by a car (luckily not hard really, was able to walk home) you might think that cars would scare me as being hit by one was one of the scariest things I have gone through yet my job is to stop cars so kids can safely cross the road. By living in fear we are unlikely to do much good, by overcoming fear we can actually do something to protect and create a freedom from fear. Scare mongering is destructive and is playing right into the hands of those who wish to create fear.

            1. William R. Wilson profile image61
              William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              THIS!

              1. kirstenblog profile image78
                kirstenblogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                I am feeling a bit thick but what do you mean by THIS?

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Harvey, it doesn't matter who's in charge, the argument for any one party's better or worse handling of this nation is a dead, rotting corpse worthy of a swift burial at best. Those in charge are doing something; whatever that is I'm not privvy to, but I'm as safe as I can be under the circumstances. I believe critiquing the current administration's job of protecting our country and its citizens, sorely undermines their position and benefits nobody but OUR enemies. With that said, I wish you a Very Happy New Year. smile

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Denno,

      Happy hic New Year! Both parties have hurt us, but only one is for Socialism.

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        Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Have to have the last word, huh? lol Remember, the headache tomorrow. big_smile

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Denno,

          You never looked better, love the hat. I hic had a hic nice time last last last...yesterday; I think hic.

  21. prettydarkhorse profile image65
    prettydarkhorseposted 7 years ago

    Hi Harvey, the terrorists are getting wiser too, anybody is not safe anymore, but I noticed that when I travel to different parts of the world, Amsterdam at Netherlands is very lax indeed, NORTHWEST and other airlines and all the government in the wold need to secure all people from terrorists...

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      PDH,

      This is true. If other countries don't follow all security laws, we should pull our planes out of there and not allow any plane to come here from there.

  22. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    The "terror" attack that just happened involving the Nigerian young man is increasingly looking to be a con job...cnn put out an interesting article on this in the past couple days.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mike,

      That's why their ratings are in the crapper.

    2. William R. Wilson profile image61
      William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Link please?

  23. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    This isn't something that only one source has mentioned....

    I just hope the storytelling doesn't disappear from the media's eyes like other past "attacks."


    Now, I want to write about preferential reporting....

    I was talking to my father about this recent attack, and I asked him why the Nigerian connection was so fascinating....

    "Nigeria?" he said as he rolled his eyes in his "who the hell are Nigerians? they are nobody of importance!" look, which I immediately chastised....


    Nigeria, the largest of all the African nations, was self-sufficient until very recently....  Their agricultural base economically and socially were upset as Western (Dutch to be focused on here) oil companies descended to extract their Nigeria's resources.... Farm lands taken, peoples uprooted...

    The Ogoni recently gained a record 15 million dollars from Royal Dutch Shell to settle out of court a crimes against humanity case through which Shell was implicated in the financing and arming of Nigerian military forces to illegally arrest and execute members of the Ogoni people. These people were targeted because they had pressed for greater rights on their own lands (which Shell had gained control over).

    So, in the Netherlands (the Dutch) a Nigerian "terrorist" gets aboard a plane and tries to blow it up??

    What does this enable for Shell/Dutch government in Nigeria?

    Of course, how come the media didn't talk about the acts of terrorism in Nigeria against the Ogoni?  Their out of court settlement was unprecidented.....

    But a few months later we are bombarded with the "Nigerian-al Qaeda?

    Really?

    I'm not buying it.

    1. William R. Wilson profile image61
      William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Damn Mike - give us a hub on this please!

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Mike,

      Nigeria is always at war with itself, Christian's vs Muslim's.

      1. mikelong profile image83
        mikelongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Nonsense.

        There were the colonial elite and those who suffered...and the colonial elite brought with them Christianity....religion is the tool of war that companies like Shell benefit from.

        To speak of a part of the world as if it appeared or exists of itself is ridiculous.

        1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          mike,

          Strange tangent you folks are on.

  24. Uninvited Writer profile image85
    Uninvited Writerposted 7 years ago

    Not everyone becomes a paranoid right wing conservative as they age. I wish you would stop talking down to SweetiePie.

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      He thinks it makes he look suave for some odd reason.  Oh well, I personally do not buy any of what he has to say smile.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        sweetie,

        I'm not selling, save your money. Was that a right wing statement? How can I be a right winger if I believe in abortion and civil rights for all people. Also the gov't shouldn't spy on us. I do believe in profiling in certain circumstances and I bet you do also.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      uninvited,

      You don't even understand what talking down is. That was a talking down statement. Just read what I wrote her on my last comment.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Some become unabashed Centrists. big_smile

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Denno,

      I hope you mean me!

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    I agree with a surprisingly good amount of the rational thoughts he espouses; the dogma I can do without, however. On the whole, Harvey does make a great deal of sense. Just my thoughts...

    1. SweetiePie profile image84
      SweetiePieposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      No not really at all, but you are entitled to your opinion.  I actually feel I have pretty good common sense, and I would never listen to what he has to say.  Especially those emails about Jackson being a racist.  He also sent out some really mean spirited emails to another hubber.

      1. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        i'm with you on this one sweetie pie. 

        if one removes the dogma, only a shell is left.

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          Denno66posted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know anything about the emails, sorry. I just talk about what he has said on other posts. I don't subscribe to either's side of the aisle, but I do appreciate a kernel of sense here and there; that's all I'm saying really.

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          blue,

          Tell me where I am wrong, please.

      2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        sweetie,

        Go to youtube and find what Jackson had to say from his mouth, or Google Michael Jackson, anti-Semite. You will see his interviews on Good Morning America and either CBS or NBC. I'm noy telling a lie.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      denno,

      I like the way you think!

  27. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 7 years ago

    William, I'm on it.

  28. nadia12345 profile image46
    nadia12345posted 7 years ago

    smile

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      nadia,

      Nice smile; what is it for?

  29. Hongliang Zhang profile image61
    Hongliang Zhangposted 7 years ago

    We are here to be safe.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hong,

      I think a little more added to your comment might help.

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    Ghost32posted 7 years ago

    Harvey, I feel safe enough.   But then, you've got to consider the source when I say that.  I've always felt relatively safe, yet one of my early careers involved riding (or at least attempting to ride) bucking bulls professionally on the rodeo circuit.  My idea of being safe during my time in the Army was simply to know who had my back, and vice versa.  I'm safe when it comes to flying because I quit flying after June 2006 (after airport security types cut the locks off my checked bag and tossed 'em).   And I feel safe where I live despite our land having Mojave green rattlesnakes (the deadliest rattlers on Earth) as part of this area's wildlife population.

    The point:  Safety is both relative and subjective.

    1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ghost,

      I feel very safe where I live, hardly any crime and the police are on my block. The safety I speak of is for all Americans. I have a friend that was in the trade towers. She is so bad a person working for doctors.

      I thank G-D she made it out alive. She got on a bus going north covered in ash. She sat in the back, trembling. She is a White lady. After a while a Black lady got on the bus, sat next to her and held her (not caring about the ash). They never spoke and the Black lady exited after a few stops. A true American story.

    2. William R. Wilson profile image61
      William R. Wilsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      And safety depends more on what you do for yourself than on what someone else does for you. 

      In fact, the saying is true:  if you want something done right, do it yourself.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        William,

        As a sociatal issue, we are all involved and affected.

    3. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ghost,

      A friend of mine had half interest in a bull named, Dr. Proctor. I believe he was the #2 bill in the country, only being ridden twice his first year. The next year he was #1, never being ridden. He got hurt and is a stud.

      She lives in Oklahoma and is a retired vet. She also has a horse sanctuary and an Alaskan Husky sanctuary. Her husband is a dairy farmer.

      1. blue dog profile image79
        blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        is the bull the stud?

        or is the vet the stud?  maybe the dairy farmer?

        this is why your posts are all so irrelevant.

        1. Mitch Rapp profile image60
          Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You would know about irrelevance, Lightweight!

          1. blue dog profile image79
            blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            as if your one hub carries much weight around these parts.

            maybe you and ol' harv could go into the bullstud business together.  the best thing about people like you is that the show is free, even if it is somewhat unenlightening.

            1. Mitch Rapp profile image60
              Mitch Rappposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              lol lol lol lol  Insecurity issues are always fun.

        2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
          Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          blue,

          Try another color. I was commenting to Ghost on his profile, I think he understood. You...............well!!!!

          1. blue dog profile image79
            blue dogposted 7 years ago in reply to this
            1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
              Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              blue,

              Thanks, no comment.

    4. Manly Man profile image61
      Manly Manposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ghost32 "I've always felt relatively safe, yet one of my early careers involved riding (or at least attempting to ride) bucking bulls professionally on the rodeo circuit."

      I had a cousin originally from Cherry County, Nebraska, and then Oklahoma who was a bull rider--Bob Pound. I don't suppose you ever ran into him?

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    sarah dawkinsposted 7 years ago

    I have always felt safe.  Coming from the UK, I grew up with the IRA and all their destruction and killing.  We just got on with our lives through all those times.

    All these knee jerk reactions by our governments every time some terrorist kills, allow the terrorists to win each time by us being fearful.  Yes, it's sad that people die, but if we keep over reacting, the terrorist wins every time. 

    Security should be sensible not over the top.  We should bring back the death penalty as a deterrent and terrorists shouldn't be shown mercy.  Lets get on with our lives and stop being scared of them.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Given the amount of violence that occurs in the rest of the world compared to the U.S.,one would think its citizens would feel quite safe.  I think most of us do, but there is an element here that seems to be irrationally afraid of anything or anyone different from them.  I have a hard time understanding it myself.

      1. Harvey Stelman profile image61
        Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        pretty,

        Reality makes one realize that if something happens in your country, it can happen someplace else.

    2. Harvey Stelman profile image61
      Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sarah,

      Don't you worry for others?

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        sarah dawkinsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sometimes, but not really.  Terrorism is an awful thing, but being worried about it is a waste of people's time and effort.  Isn't that what they want from us?  Don't they win if we worry about it?  We should be able to go about our lives in our usual ways without it turning into Big Brother, which unfortunately seems to be happening.  Our freedom is being whittled away in the name of protecting us from terrorism.

        1. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          One of the purposes of terrorism is to do exactly that.  Whittle away at your freedom until it becomes something you cannot avoid.  The government would like you to believe they are on top of it and go back to life as usual but they can't possibly cover all the bases.

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    Denno66posted 7 years ago

    Ah, Politics. big_smile

  33. Casper021 profile image60
    Casper021posted 7 years ago

    I generally feel safe smile

 
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