The United States Of Obama

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   Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years ago

   At least that's what he thinks it is. Our people have been very slow to understand him but his polls keep droping. Everything he has wanted has gone down in the polls.
   
   With this happening, he makes like everyone loves him (except FOX). I finally understand he only cares about himself.
   
   
   The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
   Thomas Jefferson
   
   It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
   Thomas Jefferson
   
   
   My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
   Thomas Jefferson
   
   I think he knew something.

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      Angela Blairposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's two of us, Harvey -- I agree!

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         Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            X,
            
            I guess you're with me and Angela.

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Ang,
         
         Thanks!

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      rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think what you say has a lot of merit to it.  Too much government intervention is a problem especially when it comes to moral and social woes.  These problems must be handeled by the individual and worked out by society.
      
      The election of a President is a vote for leadership and the electorate give that person at least four years to prove their results.  Unfortunately this may not pan out in the long haul with lousy results.  Unless Obama flagrantly breaks some laws and can't defend his actions as a result there is little that can be done.
      
      I think rather than the constant bad mouthing and critisism of Obama the Republican Party is doing to undermine him, they would be better served by coming up with a better candidate to defeat him in the next election.  If the security of the nation is compromised seriously or the economy doesn't bounce back and the health care is a sham or the jobs are not improving,  I think that will be ammunition enough to defeat Obama.  The Republicans through the tactics they are employing now are getting a reputation as cry babies and poor sports as well they should be minus attacking the issues and not the inuendo.
      
      GOP get a candidate we can get behind and quit your whinning!

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Rham,
         
         The Republican's are doing what the Democrat's did; why is that wrong? The Dem's won the last election because this man with no accomplishments said; "CHANGE!" The people that voted for him had no idea what change meant.
         
         There will be many good (R) candidates next election, wait and see.
         
         After Obama loses his 60 vote Senate, he will have nothing. That's what he has anyway.

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      falcon64posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He knows every things....give job to unemployed in order to have a secured life. Take a look the hungry people as a whole!

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well said!
         
         I think.

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            falcon64posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Do I say?....

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         A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Say that 3 times real fast.

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            falcon64posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I can't.... they will fired me.

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Tex,
            
            Did you understand that?

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Quit picking on Tex!

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                  Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Ron,
                  
                  I'm not picking on Tex, we agree on most things.

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               A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad joke!

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         falcone,
         
         We're losing jobs!

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree too.
      
      ..It just makes me sad that his numbers have dropped because of financial reasons and "big government";  I mean that that seems to be the main focus in America...
      I'd rather the moral/social issues played a role in that too.....
      but oh well,  whatever issues it takes to bring him down from his high tyrannical horse.

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   mmmmmmmmmm, bacon.
   
   Homer Simpson

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      creepyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      your still special

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         cre,
         
         Special what?

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      mmmmmm intelligent!

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   Dao Hoaposted 14 years ago

   Good quotes, Harvey.

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hoa,
      
      Thanks, you have chosen the RIGHT side.

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   Denno66posted 14 years ago

   And when the next Republican President gets in office, what will the Forum titles sound like?

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Denno,
      
      Lets see whom it is, and what they stand for. I could be against or for them.

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         Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well, that is reasonable.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We'll never know.

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         Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Ron,
         
         I'm waiting for an.... Oh forget it.

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         Ghost32posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Wanna bet?

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            A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ron is in denial.

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               Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Tex,
               
               I think Ron likes Denno's pic a liittle too much.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, Yes I do.

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   awareposted 14 years ago

   anyone hear about the obama christmas ornaments?

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      Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Cheney's shriveled goat sacks?

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   awareposted 14 years ago

   i wont post the punch line . i was told the joke today . it is really bad and beyond racist

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      Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oooooh, yeah; not a good idea these days.

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   awareposted 14 years ago

   what does that word mean?

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      mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      weak - in common parlance  also feverish  -  feverishly weak about describes it

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         Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Feverishly weak and easy to tweak. Or Hijeak.

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   Coolpapaposted 14 years ago

   With everyone obsessing about Obama's poll numbers, it is
   interesting to look at Bush's numbers one year after reelection in 2006. Keep in mind that he simply took over his own first-term mess not something like Obama has had to deal with.
   The last number is Bush's unfavorable number (all above 50%) Even our self Proclaimed God had poll problems!
   
   AP-Ipsos 2/6-8/06 -57%
   Pew 2/1-5/06 -52
   NBC/Wall Street Journal 1/26-29/06 -54%
   Time 1/24-26/06 -55%
   ABC/Washington Post 1/23-26/06 -56%
   FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 1/24-25/06 -51%
   L.A. Times/Bloomberg 1/22-25/06 -54%

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      cool,
      
      You can't compare one year to a second term. By November Obama will be lucky to be at 40% favorable.

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   awareposted 14 years ago

   ty .  cool word. but not # 1 there are a ton of week forum ?s that perform very well. like last one to post. its never ending drivel.

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      mega1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes, but since it never claimed to be relevant . . . or even really ABOUT anything it isn't in the running. . . only threads that CLAIM to be saying SOMETHING . . .

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         Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      aware,
      
      Why are you here multiple times?

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    ngurecoposted 14 years ago

    Everything that rises must come down. Has he started falling after going past his peak?

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    awareposted 14 years ago

    i just posted a forum topic . is it in the running ? lol .

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    XtineTheWriterposted 14 years ago

    Harvey has hit the political nail squarely on its presidential head.

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       X,
       
       Don't I wish.

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    Hmmm....
    
    I'm really trying to figure out where any substance is behind this thread....
    
    Harvey, I wonder where you have been the past 20 years....
    
    Dick Cheney alone has done more to undermine democracy in the United States than arguably any other single person....and yet I don't read your complaints....
    
    Stack these two men side by side and your concerns about Obama pale....
    
    The Department of Homeland Security alone...not even looking at the Department of Defense, has increased the control and role of government in the United States to unprecedented levels....and enabling powers (Patriot Act, etc) that few have ever had....all the while Cheney pushes for more, and greater executive power and priviledge....and he criticizes Obama....
    
    It is one thing to be partisan, it is another thing to put concern where it is truly deserved.....
    
    I would rather have a president who has helped working people, like backing workers in Ecuador fight their lawsuit against criminal activities perpetrated by Coca Cola, than one who seeks to undermine labor, like George W. Bush during the most recent International Longshore and Warehouse Union contract negotiations.....and like Richard Nixon...
    
    Much, if not most, of Ronald Reagan and George Bush (1 and 2) policies have come from the likes of the Heritage Foundation and worse.....
    
    It is one thing to complain, it is another to do so with, evidently, very limited insight....
    
    It is unfortunate...

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Mike, Have you noticed Cheney is no longer in office. I don't write about the past, the present and future are what really counts.
       
       The CIA & DOD are not doing more, I cannot give my personal source. The military hates Obama; if you want info, I'll ask a couple of people high up if they can give you info.
       
       It is not me that needs a trip down reality lane.
       
       Like the majority of Americans now; I do not approve of what the President has done.
       
       Lets see what happens in Mass. tomorrow. Obama has fought hard in NJ & Virginia.
       
       Unions: Back door billions and not the transparency he promised.

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          mikelongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Out of office, but never out of "service".
          
          "The CIA & DOD are not doing more, I cannot give my personal source."
          
          
          Your source?  I used to have a TS/SCI clearance....please...
          
          The budgets for the CIA are largely classified...and with dope and gun money to boot, it is hard to tell what exactly is being done.....However, if one follows the trail of the School of the Americas and their graduates I'm sure a lot will be discovered... 
          
          Note I have not mentioned the NSA......
          
          "The military hates Obama; if you want info, I'll ask a couple of people high up if they can give you info."
          
          I don't know if you have ever served in the military, but 1) there may be a collective conscousness called "the military" at the top levels that then could be said to altogether "hate Obama", but I guarantee not "all" military personnel hate him...
          
          Secondly, having served my time, I have been able to see the "great minds" that often hold high rank in the military....from infantry units to intel....
          
          There's a lot of racism, a lot of religious conservatism, and an overemphasis on the glorification of destruction.....
          
          
          We would watch video of bombs blowing up, and people dying, and men and women around me would be cheering...laughing...having a good time....not all...but many.... Even when considering enemy combatants, those people may or may not have much control over their reasons for being there....to take pleasure in their death is psychotic......is sociopathic...
          
          It's all good, right?
          
          When in boot camp the Drill Instructors called out on those recruits who had formerly been gang members...."for all of you" he said, "you have just joined the biggest, strongest gang on the planet."
          
          Good marketing tool.....
          
          "Give us your gang members....and we will set them loose to shoot up someone elses neighborhood....for reasons that we cannot justify...."
          
          But back to my point....
          
          When I was in the Marines I would repeatedly hear from people with authority around me, beginning in boot camp actually with the DI's, that Republicans are the only ones who care about the military.... We got some raises when Clinton was in office, but when Bush came in we received raise after raise after raise...it seemed every three months or so another pay boost was coming....(while we didn't have to pay rent, for food,or for much really aside from entertainement purposes...i.e. squandering).
          
          But these are simply ploys...gimmicks to keep the boys in line...to keep them doing their thing and not thinking about inequality and abuse of power.....  Bribe money more like....
          
          With this said, I don't weigh the likes or dislikes of "the military" too highly....
          
          Maybe this is because I served in the Marine Corps myself and saw firsthand the b.s. that is perpetuated...
          
          "Like the majority of Americans now; I do not approve of what the President has done."
          
          For many Americans "Camp of the Saints" would be taken as a reality....and for those many who have read it, there has been a lot of chatter.....
          
          For many Americans fear and suspicion is a greater influence than reason.... My uncle continues to send out emails deriding Obama as a Muslim, and still stating that he was not born as an American....and my uncle is an influencial man....he has a mailing list of over 100 people...   Poor souls...
          
          Many Americans have no clue about who their nation is, what it does, and how it gets things done...they will eat the bananas from the market but have no clue how they got there, or who's little hands were touching them just a few days before...we will watch our televisions, and not think about where they were made, or if those who produced these products have any ability of doing so for themselves....let us think of the maquilas in Juarez and other regions of Northern Mexico... And we will thank God that we live in this nation and feel good about ourselves for doing so, but often fail to realize that, for most Americans, their only fortune is that they were born here...they have not earned their spot as so many others do every single day...passing citizenship tests that many, if not most Americans would fail....having to learn a language, and be given stress by others, many of whom only speak English...and therefore are more ignorant than those who speak other languages but struggle with English...
          
          False pride...
          
          So, you can make these statements, but in the end they don't stack up to much.

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             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I found this to be very gutsy, honest.
             I am not an American, but this is the view I have formed from some of my educated and intelligent American friends, some of who have also served in the military.
             Well written I say!

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             rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Mike, I feel that what you say will fall on so many deaf ears.  Many will write it off as unpatriotic and anti-American and never take the time to study the history of this aggressive war-making country.  The very business' that are profiting from these wars are making record earnings and are the only real growth industry that is a recession proof entity.
             
             This country cannot and will not take an objective view of its' workings and criminal acts.  We develop puppet dictatorships to run other countries as we see fit and when the dictator crosses us we take him out and install another one.  The democracies are a sham and we spend billions of dollars propping them up with arms and troops to defend them.
             
             What is it like to be an American?  Keep your mouth shut, vote party politics and pay your taxes till you bleed.

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             Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Mike,
             
             A 4F doesn't let one in the service. I agree with you completely when you sa; Many Americans have no clue about who their nation is, what it does, and how it gets things done."
             
             I am going to pass your comment along and find out what is thought of it. Hope you don't mind.

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             PrettyPantherposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             In the five months I have been here at Hubpages, that is the best post I have read.

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    Sara Tonynposted 14 years ago

    Shouldn't this be a hub instead of a thread? It's just an opinion.
    
    That I completely disagree with.

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Sara,
       
       In time you will understand, read up on Progressives. That's what Obama is, his strategy is nothing new.

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    I concur on all counts...
    
    I think its time for a redefinition of what "patriotism" means.

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    donotfearposted 14 years ago

    Harvey, you're at it again! Gotta hand it to ya, friend! Seems like the Obama obsession has turned into the grandiose delusion of America.

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       DNF,
       
       I do not fear pretty ladies. I'm also trying to get a higher up in the military's opinion. I do know that most military personel do not like Obama, 100% will not be reached about anything.

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    Daniel Carterposted 14 years ago

    I think the *real* underlying message of this thread is that no matter who is in office, the past, present or future, the honeymoon will be short lived and there will be plenty of polls to prove points that who ever is in office has a personal agenda and is not doing the job the way "we" want.
    
    I don't think this sort of constant complaining does a lot of good, really. It's easy to pick a scab and keep it sore indefinitely. There has to be a better way of approaching this country's problems than to pick at the scab of the American Presidency.
    
    "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country."
    The aforementioned quote authored by another evil liberal democrat who many say was struck down in God's terrible wrath. [Whatever. Yawn widely.]
    
    Dialog can be very productive. Constant complaining only makes us a part of the problem, not a part of the solution.
    
    What about a thread that offers solutions instead bitch-sessions?
    
    What are your great ideas to solve some of the problems this country and the world face?

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       rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree and it is unfortunate that people pick up on an idea and reward the other side for their negative rhetoric.  Both sides have something to gain in their efforts to throw the other out.  They just search around for the right lies to tell us and manipulate the electorate to switch to the other slimebags.
       
       I think that as more and more people become disillusioned with the tactics and results of their politicians)labors only then will you see any change.

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Dan,
       
       Obama does not believe in even discussing an issue. He has his opinion and there are no others. His Union talks were back door, no Republican's and he lied again. This was NOT on C-SPAN. Nothing he does is for the public to see.

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    Not at all.
    
    Is the 4f yourself?

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Mike,
       
       Yes it is, at least until my draft board was bombed. I am wheelchair bound with Multiple Sclerosis, but other problems are what the doctors cared about.

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    Tic Tac anyone?   

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