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Does anyone know what happened to this Soldier?

  1. Friendlyword profile image61
    Friendlywordposted 6 years ago
    1. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Was he Discharged?

      1. falcon64 profile image61
        falcon64posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know...but I've watch his video.smile

    2. tantrum profile image61
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      One of the things society do to gay people.
      that's a shame !!!

  2. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    And, what is your point? Just curious.

    1. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry, I really didn't make my point clear. This Soldier stood in front of President Obama and shook his hand. The President promised the Soldier he would help him. Lt Col Fehrenbach was due to thrown out of the Military at the beginning of this year. I want to know if he was thrown out or if President Obama kept his word to the solder and helped him stay in the Military.

      1. livewithrichard profile image84
        livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And how can Obama keep his word if he cannot change the policy? It would take an Act of Congress to change this policy:  http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/654.html

        1. Friendlyword profile image61
          Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Easy,  Excecutive Order1

          1. livewithrichard profile image84
            livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yea, I said that about 12 hours ago. He could issue an executive order to circumvent the law and let the Supreme Court sort it out.

  3. AEvans profile image71
    AEvansposted 6 years ago

    It is completely wrong! Serving 18 years defending our Country and then our government wants to discharge him for being GAY is absolutely ridiculous! He has defended our Constitution put his life on the line has not bothered a soul nobody has complained about him at ALL for bad conduct or misbehavior shame on our government for being so cruel. The entire Country is not straight and there are people who are closet gay and lesbian who yell it is wrong to be this way, I see them all of the time in Church and then there cars our parked outside a Gay or Lesbian club. So tell me who calls the kettle black? Anyway I hope that he is still flying and defending our Country with him on our side I certainly would feel safe. smile

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    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

    Rules are rules. He knew the rules and he threw the dice and lost. Theres no do overs, if you're gay and you tell you know the price, sorry. He knew what the score was and he took the hit now he has to live with it and thats the same deal for all of us.

    1. AEvans profile image71
      AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I honestly disagree when someone is honest that is the best policy and sexuality honestly does not have anything to do with how you handle your job responsbility. We have nurses who are gay and lesbian, we have doctors , lawyers, cashiers, cooks, chefs, car salesman, truckers, construction workers, policeman, fireman/women so those people who are honest should also be terminated? Could you imagine the jobs that could not be filled immediately because of someone's sexual orientation? If we told our Commanding officer we were straight we would not be told that we had to be discharged or terminated so unfortunately it is not the same. sad

      1. livewithrichard profile image84
        livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It may not be right but not everyone is as open minded as you are. It's even worse in the military where we have to think about unit cohesion. Soldiers and wariors have to have each other's back. Just go read Mikel's new hub on being a "professional killer" to get an idea of that cohesion. 

        Right or wrong, this man put his lifestyle above his career which meant he put his lifestyle above his fellow wariors knowing good and well the risks not only to the morale of his unit but also to his career.

        Having served in the military I can tell you there is ZERO tollerance for racial discrimination among the troops but they would turn their heads if someones sexuallity was in question and leave it up to mob rule.

        In the civilian world we're protected by the Costitution. In the military you defend the Constitution but you're limited in your actions by the Uniform Code of Military Justice UCMJ. You don't share the same rights as a civilian.

        1. tantrum profile image61
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lifestyle ?

          So it's not about brave or cowards. It's about lifestyle
          So if all the cowards are Hetero, and the brave ones are gay, you fight the war with the cowards, because they have the right lifestyle.

          lol

          1. Friendlyword profile image61
            Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What you are saying is 18 years of being a good soldier is trumped by what someone finds out about you?  There's nothing different about him. The only thing that is different is what a few out of many in the military might think of him. Is that the military you think this country should be proud of?
            What I really want to know is if President Obama kept his word to this Soldier.

          2. livewithrichard profile image84
            livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOLOLOLOLO show me a coward in war.  Tantrum it's about the policy that is in place and has always been in place. If the majority of Americans wanted it changed then why hasn't it been changed?

            Nobody is suggesting that the Lt. Col was not qualified or a superior fighter pilot. All I said was that he knew the policy he new the risks yet he continued and then he was outed and faced the consequences.

        2. Misha profile image76
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Did I get it right? You think UCMJ is bigger than Constitution? And at the same time you pretend to be a Constitution defender?

          1. livewithrichard profile image84
            livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, the Constitution is bigger, its just that when you join the military here in the US you sign a contract with the government that allows UCMJ to supersede your rights under the Constitution.  That's what makes our military a special breed we're selfless defenders of rights that we will only get to fully share once we're out of the military.

            1. glendoncaba profile image80
              glendoncabaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm no lawyer, but is it that the UCMJ supersedes the Constitution, or do you waive certain of your Constitutional rights in order to conform to necessary military protocol.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The UCMJ is an absolute document... In joining the United States Military one forfeits his/her Constitutional rights and is then taken under the control of the UCMJ.
                The UCMJ replaces the rights of military members with the absolute tyranny that is required to get sane people to charge into machine gun fire knowing they are going to die.
                the phrase 'catch 22' comes from the descriptions of the UCMJ.

              2. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You waive ALL of your rights.

        3. AEvans profile image71
          AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I understand I open-minded but because a person is Gay does not mean that all of them are trying to coherse each other,that is a complete facid. I guess I honestly do not understand why heterosexual men are so fearful of homosexual men? Men or women who are completely in tune and understand there own sexuality are not bothered by another person's sexual preference.

          I understand the ZERO tolerance against discrimanating due to color which unfortunately does not have any relevance on this subject those are to opposite discussions.

          What I am trying to make people understand is that a person's sexual preference does not have anything to do with how they perform a job. My father MAY HE REST IN PEACE served during WWII he told me there were men in there who were GAY nobody ever said anything so I would personally have a person be honest with me then lie and find out later, if they are truthful then I respect them even more. The rules are ridiculous and apparently when people serve in our military it is best for them to lie then to tell the truth, but then again that is what our government does anyway.sad

    2. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He was outed, he didn't break the rules.

  5. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    So one has to be a hypocrite to survive ?
    nice society you have there !

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    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

    We let ours rights go away. We are required to allow our employers a say in our off work activities and it's more strict in the military. We chose to be a country of rules and we have to obey them, not for the protection of the individual but for whats good for the majority. We're not Holland!

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    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

    We volunteer to serve and we know the requirements. We are taught about the UCMJ and understand why we have it. Let me tell you something our soilders are the bravest most honorable soldiers in the world. They and their families sacrfice everything for the worlds freedom while being picked at by the liberal cowards from other countries. You don't have to like our country but show our soldiers some respect. If you're happy being a coward just enjoy it someplace else.smile

  8. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    If you make people lie, then you can't trust them afterwards.
    How can you trust someone that lies out of fear ?

    What this people  have learn from society ?
    Hypocrisy

  9. tantrum profile image61
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    I'm not saying anything. It's all in the video.

    I'm giving my opinion of this case, which can be resume in 1 word: Hypocrisy.
    It looks like that, is what rules society.

    1. Misha profile image76
      Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not that USA is unique in this smile

    2. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry My Love. My question was directed towards livewithrichard. Should our Military be ruled by the worst of us?

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    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago

    Who decides who's the worst or who's the best? If you don't like the rule then they're evil vile people but if the rule benefits you then everyones a hero, hmmm.

    1. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MILITARY AND IN THIS COUNTRY THINK, DONT ASK DONT TELL,  IS WRONG. The majority of the Military has to suffer and lose good people because a few in the military might be uncomfortable with who someone has sex with. It's a STUPID way to run a military, business, country or anything else.

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        A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Do you have some poll or stats to prove a majority of service members think its wrong?

        1. Friendlyword profile image61
          Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What in the world made you think I was here to entertain you?
          People talk statistic when they have no argument.
          Try this out!!!
          Common sense tells me nine out of ten people you talk to in the United States Military thinks like the rest of the United States Citizens.

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            A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmmm, Friendly you are usually wrong and I suspect you are wrong again.

            1. Friendlyword profile image61
              Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Show me the statistics of how many times I'm wrong!

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                A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If this is the only time then its 1 out of 1 that you're wrong! But the good thing is its not, all anyone has to do is go read your first hub and will see another instance of you being wrong, just cause you want it dont make it so.

                1. Friendlyword profile image61
                  Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Well...I wasn't completely wrong.  The Republican Party is still disintergrating like the WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST!!!

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                    A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No it isn't! Have you taken a look at the Democrats lately? Where do you get your news?

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                sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I like you friendly but I don't like you making your bedroom habbits my buisness. I've never talked to you about bondage because thats just to personal. I've never discussed rubber sheets and motor oil with you either thats also personal. I never bring up my affection for turkeys and how they make me sweat, thats personal too. I never stand up for those of us who think Twister is a modern version of Kama Sutra. So lets just say TMI is just that TMI!big_smile

                1. Friendlyword profile image61
                  Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I have to BOW to you Sneak.  I'm impressed!!! I haven't done any of those things...but, Right On Dad!!!

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                    sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah Well step off friendly!big_smile

                    Dad! Dad! Alright now! Don't make me slap you with donut cushion!big_smile

          2. Misha profile image76
            Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            He-he, not touching on the topic, but your common sense misleads you. The mere fact that some of them are in the military and some of them are not proves that the former think differently from the later smile

          3. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And, how do you think the rest of the United States thinks? This I have got to see.

            Do indulge? smile

            1. Friendlyword profile image61
              Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think the majority of the American People still believe in what this country was founded on... FREEDOM, AND EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW.

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If that's all you got, then I suggest you dig deeper. smile Just a thought. smile

                1. Friendlyword profile image61
                  Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Now you just being silly...

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Silly? roll

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                A Texanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Now you're right, woo hoo!

  11. Misha profile image76
    Mishaposted 6 years ago

    It's called democracy smile

  12. Friendlyword profile image61
    Friendlywordposted 6 years ago

    What would Ollie say about LT COL VICTOR FEHRNBACH?

    http://www.nragive.com/ringoffreedom/nr … nding.html

  13. The Rope profile image60
    The Ropeposted 6 years ago

    It was a poor decision and the ruling was a pathetic attempt by a bunch of bigots to make everyone happy.  Fortunately the US is moving away from such narrow thinking but there is still a fair way to go and a lot of "old school/protect-tradition thinking" that is going to have to retire before real changes are going to be made.

    1. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry, good people are being thrown out of the Military now! Throw the bums out and keep the people that are there to serve this Country!

      1. The Rope profile image60
        The Ropeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, I absolutely agree.  What is happening is wrong and horrible but for real change - the kind where it doesn't make a difference - to occur, it is going to take time.

  14. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    The real Issue in the whole don't ask don't tell debacle is this:

    The United States has put into place a system of deterence, for the defense of the nation. That deterence is based upon a belief by possible enemies that attacking the United States is foolish at best because we have the greatest, strongest, most devistating military in the world. The soldiers that are the backbone of that military force are the best and toughest fighters on the planet. Mess with them at your peril...

    1-The very smart people, know being Gay doesn't make you less good at being a talented fighter.

    2-The 'Honor' system is a fundemental base to the code of conduct for Officer and Enlisted...(forcing a Gay man to lie about being Gay was a violation of that code)

    So behind closed doors a deal was made...

    Since the common perspective of gay men is/was one of a 'weak' girlish man, a man that could not inspire fear in a 12 year old. A fact that would be absolutely devistating to the military's image as they saw it. Decided to offer a compromise:  Don't tell me your gay, I won't ask if you are... and we will both pretend this is ok.
    That way the military got to keep the great 'gay' soldiers that had always been there...
    And the Gays that were smart enough to read between the lines, got the satisfaction of knowing that they were appreciated by their leaders, and that those leaders acknowledged the existence of very talented and capable soldiers and sailors and marines, that were also Gay.

    If a Gay man told, or was caught, the other part of that secret deal was they suffered the consequences for that failure. The one of being caught, of telling.


    IMHO.

  15. sooner than later profile image60
    sooner than laterposted 6 years ago

    It seems he didn't "tell" until he was "asked". I don't think the military would get rid of this guy for liability issues and it appears from the outside that he did not violate any "don't tell" policies. I guess if they(homosexuals) have to be around, this guy is respectful.

    1. livewithrichard profile image84
      livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Go up a few posts, Mikel explained it pretty well.

  16. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    @ And how can Obama keep his word if he cannot change the policy?



    And Obama should have known that and not given his word if he didn't have the power to do what he was promising.

    1. livewithrichard profile image84
      livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You're right, Obama said a lot of things he couldn't possibly do on his own.

      He could just issue an executive order and then let the courts settle it.

    2. Friendlyword profile image61
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      check some papers tomorrow.

  17. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    Did he get it changed?

    1. livewithrichard profile image84
      livewithrichardposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Rumor is that he's going to address it in the State of the Union speech.

      1. Friendlyword profile image61
        Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ONE LINE ABOUT GAYS IN THE MILITARY!  NO MENTION OF THE LT COL.

  18. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
    Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago

    I dont get the paper and I don't have a T.V.

    who knew...  wink

 
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