Afghan-Rights of Women

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   Have the rights of Afghan women improved since the US invasion? (promotion snipped).....have they any more rights now than pre-invasion?

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      A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if things have improved in Afghanistan but it must be getting better in Iraq, the men are letting the women blow themselves up! That has got to be some kind of progress.

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   zampanoposted 14 years ago

   Hi ! Lost your cock ?
   Maybe this thread shoul be in Religion & Beliefs because the question can be asked :
   
   Do you believe that Afghan rights of women exist and can you prove it ?
   hehehe

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   A Texan, that sure might be progress.....women here usually blow us rather than themselves...still on emans up is another mans down

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   mikelongposted 14 years ago

   In the last year a law was passed that enabled a man to starve his wife if she didn't give in to his sexual advances....
   
   In my view, just because a couple is married does not give a man, or woman for that matter, the right to demand sexual favors...
   
   But, our priorities there are oil and natural gas pipelines.....as well as poppies....

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   mikelongposted 14 years ago

   Texan, during the Algerians struggle for independence from French imperialism (to "civilize" and bring "freedom" to the people of Algeria) the traditional patriarchal roles diminished.....
   
   Insurgent groups knew that men would be searched more, and overall treated very differently from women, so when it came to performing acts of sabotage and other types of jobs, woman played a large role....carrying and planting explosives and the like....
   
   I believe there to be a similarity here.....which goes on to show that many Iraqis continue to see the United States presence as foreign imperialism on their soil...which is exactly what this is.....
   
   
   The Iraqi's have not forgotten the British planes dropping mustard gas on them.......firebombing villages.....wholesale death and destruction to whoever stood in the way of the "crown" and its oil and trade route controlling ways....
   
   Our tax dollars continue to go to sheiks in order to bribe off anti-American violence.....but money only deters the corruptable...those who want their independence back will not stop when given American fiat currency....

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      sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We should pull out and close our borders and mind our own buisness. Then let the rest of the world go to hell if thats what they choose. Thats not what our liberals really want though they want to give all we've worked for here away to who or whatever cause is popular at that moment.

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   mikelong, thanks for taking the time to explain all of that, actually might be a good Hub there for you to do....

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   can we simply close borders and forget, mind our own business ?

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      sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We are more than capable but are we willing to?

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         If we close our eyes and pretend the world doesn't exist some much bigger crap will end up on our doorstep sooner or later and we will be unprepared to meet it.

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   Is it all just about oil? or does America care about freedoms for other nations?

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The problem is America shouldn't be sticking it's nose into forcing other Nations to think like it does.
      
      The U.S. makes more problems by interferring in other people's countries. America isn't to police the world, when it cannot even take care of it's own.
      
      It is absurd to think America could handle the responsibility of the world, when it cannot handle things domestically, at best.
      
      If the women's rights in another country isn't happening like it should be, it should be it's people who do something about it or leave the country never to return.
      
      We, as people, as individuals, are overlooking the self-responsibility we have, as a duty to ourself, to protect our own life and create our own happiness. The people want to live where they are, then they do so of their own choosing.
      
      Let's not read more into this than there is really.
      
      Just a thought.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I wouldn't turn my back on anyone once money enters the equation.

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   kerrygposted 14 years ago

   Yeah, from what I've heard, the situation for women in Afghanistan (outside of Kabul, anyway) has remained about the same as it was before the US invasion, and in some cases gotten even worse. Check out RAWA's website, but prepare to be horrified: http://www.rawa.org/women.php

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    theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

    I dont think Obama will have the political will to get out of Afghan and Iraq

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       Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think even he will be foolish enough to pull out entirely, no.

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    Close our borders?
    
    "Our" wealth is based on being in other peoples' borders...
    
    where do "new markets" come from?
    
    "Free Trade", which drives our economy....and destroys labor...demands the breaking down of borders...
    
    
    Sneak....what would you do with the School of the Americas??
    
    Do those who work with said school's graduates benefit from border-crossing crimes, whether drug, gun, or human trafficking?
    
    Californias 85 million dollar per year strawberry sector would disappear...and the dominant Californian agricultural sector as a whole would cease to be so profitable...to the growers....
    
    The workers, most of whom are undocumented residents from Mexico, would gain the respectful status and wages that they deserve....
    
    But the "master" still runs the American plantation...while sometimes it can be difficult to see.....
    
    It was the United States who pushed for the creation of a strong Armenian nation following World War One...."Wilsonian Armenia" it was called....
    
    Armenians, look into the Armenian Genocide, had begun to move back into areas that they had been deported from, and were given great confidence in the future of their nation...
    
    And then the U.S. turned a blind eye, and "ran" back into its borders...even though the U.S. still extended into Central/South America, the Philipines, and China...not very "isolationist" at all..
    
    Because of this act...turning away from the Armenians to whom so much had been promised...the new Turkish Nationalist state...today's Turkey, rose from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire and again deported Armenians from their traditional homes...which they had held until 1915....
    
    Armenia, with its capital city Yerivan, surrounded by the Turkish army, was forced to sign away its territorial rights in central and most of eastern Anatolia...including Mount Ararat...the most widely known of all Armenian national identity marks.....forcing Armenians to save any nation for themselves by running into the arms of the Soviet Union....
    
    No one stops the American voice of assistance....but few stand up and back the right fight......
    
    Instead we run into Iraq....
    
    While Wilson promised an Armenia with sea ports...meaning the ability to control one's own economy to some degree....they are landlocked...surrounded largely by hostile nations......

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       sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       We have a unemployment problem and those jobs should go to Americans. They sould come with a livable wage to make it work. Then we can allow profit to drive innovation and it's a strong force. As long as theres an easy way out it will never change. If you remove cheap labor from the equation then it will drive wages up to a livable amount. We should also require all those that are able to work to work, no free govrnment assisitance to recieve any you must have a job and a good work record. Closing the borders would make us think and work.

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    mikelongposted 14 years ago

    Our unemployment problem has nothing to do with our borders.....aside from the harm of NAFTA...which you aren't mentioning...so I can't infer that you are alluding to....
    
    Look at all the real estate jobs that have disappeared when the housing bubble burst.....
    
    But production jobs have been increasingly outsourced and offshored for the past 30 plus years....we are losing our true economy because the corporate bosses don't respect American labor....and politicians like Clinton and Bush created false economies that, while growing monetarily, did not increase employment.....
    
    Have you ever seen a maquiladora sneak?

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    And can I ask you gentlemen what does what you're talking about have anything to do with the topic of conversation?
    
    Did you find it fun hi-jacking the thread for your discussion?
    
    Just a thought. Hmmmm.......?

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       prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi CAGS,
       
       hmmm, it is very difficult to intrude into their culture as it is embedded in their religion, plus outside influence is nil because they censor Internet

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    Sab Ohposted 14 years ago

    I've known and worked with many Afghan women, and while things are not great there now (by loooong shot), they tell me that nothing can compare to how it was when the Taliban ruled the whole place.
    
    
    I've worked with many Iraqis as well, but that's another discussion.

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    theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

    Though there have been some improvements for women in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban in 2001, there are still high levels of discrimination, with fewer than 20% of women being literate, more than 90% of Afghan women experiencing domestic violence and the country having the second highest rate of death in childbirth in the world.
    
    At today’s meeting of the Oireachtas Foreign Affairs Committee, Ms Shinkai Karokhail a member of parliament in the Afghan National Assembly outlined to Committee members that certain positive changes have occurred in areas such as reform of the legal system, establishment of a relatively democratic political system and increased social and economic opportunities for women.
    
    However, she stressed women remain extremely repressed. For example, Afghanistan is the only country in the world which has a larger male population than the female. This is largely due to the high mortality rates among women. She also warned against attempted resurgences of Sharia law which she argued would further inhibit women’s advancement.
    
    Committee Chairman, Dr Michael Woods TD said:
    “Often, all we hear from Afghanistan are details of the military conflict in that country. We seldom get views from ordinary Afghans or their public representatives about the social and economic environment in which ordinary citizens are living.
    
    What we found out today is that there have been some positive developments in the country, however, the statistics relating to the ongoing discrimination against women are shocking.  These should be the focus of international engagement.   
    
    I will be writing to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr Miche l Martin TD, to seek his support for an EU approach to Afghanistan which is rooted in development.  In particular, I would be keen to see a focus on women’s health and education.  With 65 % of the population dependent on agriculture for a very basic livelihood, there is also a clear need to support agricultural development to offer alternatives to opium cultivation for rural communities which is one of the key causes of insecurity in Afghanistan.”

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