All they really do is make you feel really happy and make you hungry. They won't kill you. So, sure. Why not? I won't be doing it, but it's not fair that cigarettes are legal, yet they can kill you, but weed can't kill you.
Well that's not entirely true! There are many, well documented studies that connect ill effects with marijuana use. It isn't good for you by any stretch of the imagination, however, that is NO reason to make it's possession illegal!
who did these studies? i'd love to see them. in all my scholarly research of marijuana's effects and uses the majority of studies that found ill-effects usually had poor controls...many of the ones cited also include cocaine and nicotine use which negates the findings completely, imo. guess i will be on another research binge.
YES...even those who do not partake should be in favor, imo. unless they are in favor of prohibiting the use of the much more dangerous and much more inebriating alcohol. how many people have died from marijuana? 0 how many people die just from overdosing on alcohol? alcohol related diseases? fetal alcohol syndrome? domestic violence? drunk driving? i could go on...
people need to educate themselves instead of blindly believing FALSE propaganda. marijuana is one of the most harmless substances on the planet. our ancestors have been using it medicinally for as long as we know. its proven medicinal benefit with almost NO side effects are staggering, its a damn shame that people still don't know this and deny many people who would benefit from this herb (themselves especially) the right to ingest something less toxic and less of a risk to OTHERS health or safety than pharmaceuticals, alcohol, nicotine, etc....
yes, i will find the video of a man with MS, spasticity. poor guy looks miserable, then he takes a puff of a pipe (with help as he can't even hold a pipe up to his mouth) and immediately calmed to the point of being able to speak normally and sit normally and even light the pipe by himself. anyone who would deny him this is just cruel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEOoa6Q4Bds
That's crackheads. BIG difference! The jails are overcrowded with nonviolent offenders. We need to make room for sexual predators and real criminals and take out the tree hugging hippies that got caught with some pot. The only drug you CANT overdose from!!
so, are you sayin' just because you smoke up a nice fat one and got a little extra left for next week, maybe enuf to last thro nex month if you are real careful, you should have to walk around with a leg monitor for 6 - 9 mos? gimme a break!
I'm neutral on the question of legalization but would like to address the comment that weed is the only drug on which you cannot overdose.
While that may be true in some sense, my wife and I have a bit of real life experience which indicates you certainly can become deeply addicted to pot...and that the addiction can produce some pretty undesirable behavior. No, not as users; neither of us use (because, quite simply, we're both allergic to it).
Just one example (of many possible): We had a young man, age 25, living with us for a few weeks. He'd known my wife and her son for years and stated emphatically that he'd like to hang with us for a while--at least until we get settled into the house I'm still building, even if that took a year or more. For the first ten days or so, he was truly helpful...except that he was only here about half of the time.
It turned out that whenever he ran out of pot, he simply had to "go on the hunt". His driver's license was long gone (DUI plus other stuff), and his only set of wheels was quite remarkable. He'd taken a tiny tote gote engine, frame, and rear wheel...grafted a front bicycle wheel and ape hanger bicycle handlebars onto that...welded another set of bicycle handlebars upside down to serve as road pegs (he was inventive!)...and away he'd go. Butt about eight inches off the ground, a truly Uneasy Rider, max speed about 10 mph.
After he'd score some pot--which might take anywhere from overnight to three days--he'd call for a ride back to our place, because his improvised scooter always broke down.
And, no matter how much or how little weed he'd managed to acquire, it was always gone within 24 hours. Always.
The full list of his misdeeds and string of burned bridges would take far too much space for the average hub, let alone this comment, so I'll stop here. I do realize pot advocates may well say, "Hey, he'd have been addicted to something else if it wasn't green." That may even be the unvarnished truth.
But the fact remains that his current "addiction of choice" is indeed the weed...and that his pursuit of smoke has made him a marked man with all who know him.
i hate to interject---but there are many substances that are far worse socially and physically to individuals. I think that the point is that the government, nor any other judgmental peers, should have the right to prohibit use of a basically harmless (in every way) substance.
so i guess for the legality then one could argue it is better to quit smoking pot--but just because its easier to keep it illegal does that make it just? i don't think so.
how many 100's of years was slavery the status quo... i understand that is an issue of much more devastating outcomes--my point is that sticking with what is easiest is not always the *right* or even the best thing to do. a lot of good could be done for the economy, at least lessen some of the strain of the 'war on drugs'
people are going to use it...legal or not. obviously. why penalize people and tear apart families for something that is *better* for you than alcohol...the only devastating effects of marijuana are possible incarceration.
i'm done rambling. and i'll pop out again.
but man, i can't wait until the progressive generations take full hold of society. those of you still insisting on keeping the 'status quo' are only prolonging the inevitable. and hey, what you all got here right now, ain't working.
yep, certain kinds - entirely righteously bad for ya - big brother gonna keep you safe and sound, gonna make sure you don't hurt yourself, gonna keep you upright payin your taxes and makin Amerika as righteously superior as poss, until you croak!
Yes trees! Many trees could be saved if marijuana was legal. Hemp can be used to make many things like paper, and clothing but would be a direct competitor with the lumber industry which is one reason it's not legal!
Most drug violence is between dealers over territory or a result of robberies of dealers to get their drugs and money. Sometimes folks are caught in the crossfire. So removing the profit motive,, which is substantial BECAUSE drugs are illegal would go a long way towards curbing violence. Remember these substances were all legal before the 20s... remember prohibition and all the violence surrounding the alcohol trade?
Legalize it. We debated this in college and a professor (whom I assumed was a user ), gaves us this: The tax base created by legalizing marajuana could bring in more than 1.2 billion in tax revenue based on the number of people who admit to using in a survey.
The crime, petty and violent associated with the sales of marajuana would be cut dramatically...not eliminated but a big enough impact made to make it worth it.
It would create new jobs in the agricultural field both in the public sector but the federal and state governments as well.
I used to be for only medicinal use, but now I'm all for recreational legalization because of the revenue it will generate, because there has never been a single incidence of violence CAUSED by someone who smoked a bowl (okay, for those of you who didn't understand "trees," that means a pipe with a bowl on it filled with marijuana), and because it makes absolutely NO sense to allow alcohol use but not weed.
I DO agree with whoever said, "Put it in an inhaler." Didn't know that was possible! (Vaporizers are so expensive...)
I'm getting ready to write a hub on "Marijuana use for Autism..." Keep your eyes open for it.
Why tax it? How could you even begin to collect taxes on a weed? Let's face it, if it is ever legalized, everyone will just grow their own! Government doesn't need any more revenue, what they need is discipline on the spending side! It's time they stick to the responsibilities given them by the constitution and forget the rest!
In the countries where it is tolerated or de-criminalized the vast majority of user are not growing their own and in Amsterdam it is taxed. Plus the saving in law enforcement. A Harvard University professor of economics, Jeffrey Miron, has determined that legalizing marijuana would save $7.7 billion annually in money spent on enforcing dope laws.
That breaks down to $5.3 billion in savings for state and local governments, and $2.4 billion in cost reductions at the federal level. Meanwhile, Harvard's Miron estimates that tax revenue for legalized pot would run about $2.4 billion annually if it were taxed like all other goods.
Prohibition has already worked so well with marijuana. We should just keep it illegal and keep kids from getting educations who use it so they stay on the street and become worse criminals. Keeping pot heads in prison is a much better use of tax money then keeping murders and rapists in prison. That is why there are only mandatory minimum sentencing laws for drugs.
That minority may not be as small as you think Sab.
I have smoked marijuana in the past and think it's much less harmful than alcohol. Many reputable scientific studies support the conclusion that cocaine, heroine, alcohol, and even cigarettes are more dangerous to the users health than marijuana.
On another note: It would seem common sense that any foreign compound or chemical you smoke, eat, snort or inject that doesn't occur naturally in the body will have some form of adverse effect at some point...We all know that smoking cigarettes can cause cancer, emphysema and more...but if they did a study on my grandmother (80 years old) who has smoked Camel non-filters from the age of 14 they would be shocked...her doctors say her lungs are great...no sign of damage at all....does that mean smoking is harmless?? We know better...as we should know there are health risks from smoking marijuana. Do you really need a study to tell you this?
Sad speaks as though weed just showed up out of nowhere over the past half century, and is either in denial or ignorant of the hows and whys of weeds criminalization....
There is no need to set up punishments and incur the unnecessary public debt to go after and prosecute marijuana related matters.....in order to stop the flow of dollars into the hands of terrorists/criminals and halt their influence on our society it would, in my opinion, to enable Americans to do as they always have done....
Mr. Washington grew his own...why should I not?
If one is truly caring about cutting deficit spending and eliminating unnecessary spending of our tax dollars (as well as interested in cutting criminal influences) one would support this concept.....
Why should Mellon and Dupont continue to benefit?
Before criminalization marijuana grew freely along the banks of the Hudson River, and people would venture into the "weeds" whenever they desired and pick for themselves.....less than 100 years ago....
Just gonna throw this out there...if it's been mentioned already, I apologize...didn't EVERY comment.
More people die everyday from alcohol related drunk driving accidents and that's legal! Tell me the last time you've heard of someone "stoned" out of their minds on marajuana fatally injuring someone? Hell, they're too worried about raiding the fridge...it takes too much energy to start that car. Not to mention driving fast...probably not gonna happen...Whete's the gas pedal???
pot should be legal because its natural and relatively harmless.
i still am waiting for some proof of ill effects associated with marijuana.
besides the propaganda spread about it for decades there is no real reason to see marijuana as anymore of a hedonistic vice as fast food, donuts, alcohol, starbucks, etc. none of those have any actual value beyond satisfying a person in some mildly harmful way. all of those things are far more physically harmful than marijuana, any day.
so i respect Sab Oh's opinion. but i ask, do you, Sab Oh, agree with such hedonistic and selfish desires as drinking alcohol or even coffee?
There are some negative effects, such as the smoking side, but I like what frick said bout junk food being worse lol. I don't really see it as a big issue for me, I used to smoke it a long time ago, I don't think people should be put in jail for it or punished
Marijuana is harmless except for..... A recent study by the Kaiser Permanente Center found that daily marijuana-only smokers have a 19% higher rate of respiratory complaints than non-smokers. These findings were not unexpected, since it has long been known that, aside from its psychoactive ingredients, marijuana smoke contains virtually the same toxic gases and carcinogenic tars as tobacco. Human studies have found that pot smokers suffer similar kinds of respiratory damage as tobacco smokers, putting them at greater risk of bronchitis, sore throat, respiratory inflammation and infections.
laced weed (though i think that risk is small anyway)
ghost32: but addiction is not overdosing. and honestly, a person that reacts or does those things on marijuana likely has problems beyond the thc. the man you speak of sounds more like a tweeker than a pot head, but regardless you can't blame the whole of someone's bad or eccentric behavior on a substance that most people tolerate supremely well. i just think its a bit unfair for marijuana to be demonized because a few irresponsible people or because of the false propaganda spread by programs such as D.A.R.E.
storm ryder: i do know that the irritation caused by the smoke does leave the tissue vulnerable and often leads to the smokers-cough except with smoking cigarettes this often leads to cancer or another serious disease, even once the person quits. i actually read a study that stated marijuana was found to prevent respiratory cancers in those who also smoked tobacco cigarettes.
Again....going against legalization of weed does nothing to stem its supply or demand....
Rather, it just heaps up wasteful spending of tax dollars, enables the government to jump into more peoples' lives, and makes criminals out of ordinary people...and enables criminals/terrorist to grow wealthy off that ongoing stream of disappeared cash.....
Further, criminalized weed pushes people to living double lives...secret lives, which opens the doors to lots of other behaviors that are not so good...
These should be the issues discussed when talking about decriminalization of weed...everything else is pointless.
Okay, so this means you are AGAINST legalization of weed.
The legalization would help increase revenue. Yes, this is obvious. However, if legalized then is won't promote criminals, as you claim it would. If anything, more people would start selling it and going into business for themselves, which would actually drive the Economy. There are plenty of people who refuse sell, but use. Use carries a lessor charge than selling or distributing.
Your statement about "enables criminals/terrorist to grow wealthy off the ongoing stream of disappeared cash...?" Is completely hot air. Did you say this just to say it?
All the more reason to legalize it.
Who was talking about "decriminalization" of weed. We are talking about LEGALIZING it. There is a difference.
Example: Weed in Massachusetts, IS decriminalized. Voted on and passed by the citizens. Those who are carrying less than 1 ounce, simply loses their merchandise and receives $100 ticket for first offense. Second offense, goes to $300 and Third, and any further offense is $500.
Now, if legalized. The tickets will disappear and no one will be arrested for any amount they have or happen to have on them.
Please, I know you have issues with some of the problems, but thinking outside the box is more preferred, than being limited by hate rants of government.
Wow, what a response...and maybe that is the term for "decriminalization" in Massechussetts, but here in California, if you have under an ounce they get a 25 dollar traffic ticket...not even a criminal charge...
Plus, thats if they even file the ticket.....and if they even care to write one up....
So, decriminalization here would mean that one could not get anything confiscated....that one could become an LAPD officer and not have to pass weed tests....
Officers here, at least LAPD, are already allowed to smoke weed "recreationally" in small amounts...if anyone is really watching anyway....
So, you may be right in your case...but there are other cases for some reason...
It is hard to tell tone sometimes through the written form, unless repoir is already established....
Old Saddie I understand well, but you Casgil, I don't...
Smiley faces don't communicate much...and I don't want to read too much into your words...
well decriminalization and legalization are similar, but not synonymous.
i doubt that LAPD officers are allowed to smoke marijuana at all when in the very same state people at most jobs are still asked to drug test and will be refused employment if they pee THC.
california has come a long way in legalization and the laws have become more lax. i do have a friend who was arrested for marijuana possession, with a cannabis club card/Rx, after being held for a short period of time he was released, free and clear. i imagine it was strange having cops hand you your substantial (more than i ever have on me) amount of weed and let you walk out the door with it.
i don't doubt that LAPD officers smoke, but i do doubt that they are "allowed" to.
so, i agree with cags. in cali we have begun the process of legalization, though we aren't there yet. i think decriminalization, for a great many people at least, is what we have so far.
Yes, Double_Frick. That is the present stage America is at. It's been decriminalized, so as to slow down the prison population. Some people do really stupid stuff and get caught with it(a little), and go to prison.
The Government has conceded people are going to smoke it. The next step is to legalize it. However, can the Government find a way to tax the people on their consumption? I'm hard press to see how. The flow of weed into America is 100x what it was 20 years ago. That including American growers.