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"Palin Crossed Border For Canadian Health Care": Yahoo!

  1. fishskinfreak2008 profile image33
    fishskinfreak2008posted 7 years ago

    Web-site/URL: http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/201003 … ost/490080

    Who cares? PALIN HAS NO CREDIBILITY NOW

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      If nobody cares, why this thread?  lol

  2. livelonger profile image87
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    She was drawn to those Canadian death panels.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago

    The left will stop at nothing to push their socialist agenda on the rest of us freedom loving Americans!

    If Alaska is rural today, can you imagine how much more it was so 40 years ago? I'm sure there weren't all that many doctors living near Whitehorse 40 years ago, perhaps Canada was the only option!

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Excuses, excuses. roll
      Occam's Razor, my friend: Palin is a hypocrite.

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        Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        What's wrong with you??? She was 6 years old for god's sake!!!

        1. livelonger profile image87
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Is she criticizing her parents' decision to go to the Soviet Republic of Canada for their daughter's healthcare? Is she accusing her parents of endangering her life, of submitting her to a "death panel"?

          1. Anolinde profile image87
            Anolindeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            This happened in the 60s.  Yukon didn't have socialized healthcare til 1972.

      2. fishskinfreak2008 profile image33
        fishskinfreak2008posted 7 years ago in reply to this

        GIMME SOME SKIN

    2. TheSituation profile image80
      TheSituationposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Palin is a joke, if McCain had not been senile enough to pick her as a running mate, none of us would have any idea who she is and that would probably be a good thing.  Also, I am VERY conservative, but she is a cartoon.

  4. Greek One profile image78
    Greek Oneposted 7 years ago

    sorry that our doctors mixed up and performed that lobotomy...
    s*it happens

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      JeanMeriamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Well that's what happens with our universal health care hehehe.

      1. Greek One profile image78
        Greek Oneposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        win some and lose some!

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    Kenrick Chatmanposted 7 years ago

    A lot of people take shots at Palin including Warren Buffett...

    "Buffett took a jab at former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who has been mocked repeatedly for writing notes on her hands for her February speech at the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville.

    'But if I'm going to comment on the Tea Party, I'll have to look at my notes here," Buffett said, looking at his hands.'"

  6. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 7 years ago

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    Um, since her family wasn't Canadian, they weren't covered by Canadian healthcare. They just paid for it out of pocket because it was the nearest medical help they could get.

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I thought there were interminable waits, and the quality of care was abysmal in Canada? (Which is why trillions of Canadians are flooding across the border for American health care?)

      Is it verified that there were no doctors in the town she was from, or are people just speculating to give this confession cover?

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    Not if you're paying smile

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Then why are Canadians flooding across the border to pay for American health care out of pocket, when they can do so back in Canada?

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        JeanMeriamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        This goes both ways actually. Why have 14 million Americans claimed fraudulent Ontario Health cards? That's 14 million extra people in a province of 9 million burdening a health care system they should have no part of. They system was not created to to also provide health care to the citizens of another country who are obtaining the health care through fraud because they can't afford a doctor at home.

        And that's just one province. Our population is only 33million. Canada is providing care to to at  least150% of it's population size. Might have something to do with any problems in our system.

        And the flooding borders for health care is propaganda with an agenda.

        1. livelonger profile image87
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I'm aware of that. I was trying (in vain) to debate with Madame X about this. In return, she provided a bunch of ridiculous, bogus statistics claiming health outcomes are worse in Canada than they are in the U.S.

          Anyone who claims that Canada doesn't get vastly better health care on the dollar than the United States is deluding themselves. (Unfortunately, our right-wing is full of delusional people.)

        2. TheSituation profile image80
          TheSituationposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Ahhh, so I see the MExicans have moved on to Canada  wink

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      JeanMeriamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry. I am Canadian and that is pure BS

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    American healthcare is better.

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Tell that to the Palins. They think Canadian healthcare is better.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You've had this from them first-hand?

        1. livelonger profile image87
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Actions speak louder than words...unless you think they wanted to endanger the health of their children.

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            Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            If there's no other doctor around, then you go to where he is.

            1. livelonger profile image87
              livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Have you verified that's the reason why they sought healthcare in Canada, or are you still speculating?

              1. Anolinde profile image87
                Anolindeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Livelonger, you keep forgetting that this was back in the 60s.  The system in Canada back then would have been much different from now (meaning better).

      2. Sab Oh profile image60
        Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You are trying waaaaay tooo hard

      3. livewithrichard profile image85
        livewithrichardposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Did you even read the article? She was taken there at the age of 6, 40 years ago. I'm no fan of Palin but it took political guts to make that admission in a Canadian speech.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Even if it is better, it costs more than millions of people can afford.

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    From a recent "Investor's Business Daily" article, from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization:
     
     Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
     U.S.    65%
     England 46%
     Canada 42%
     
     Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:
     U.S.    93%
     England 15%
     Canada 43%
     
     Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:
     U.S.    90%
     England 15%
     Canada 43%
     
      Percentage referred to a medical specialist that see one within one month:
     U.S.    77%
     England 40%
     Canada 43%
     
     Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:
     U.S.    71%
     England 14%
     Canada 18%
     
      Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":
     U.S.    12%
     England  2%
     Canada  6%
     

    1. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A selective sampling of data (link, please?). This examination of comparative studies clearly favors Canada's health care outcomes over ours:
      http://www.openmedicine.ca/article/view/8/1

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        A selective sampling of data also.

        1. livelonger profile image87
          livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Still no link. *Sigh*

          I googled this and the only mentions of it are on right-wing conspiracy sites. All of the data is bogus. There is no "United Nations International Health Organization" except as a figment of your average right-winger's imagination.

          The right-wing way to debate: smoke and mirrors. roll

    2. WriteAngled profile image90
      WriteAngledposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, but the US health system only works for people in jobs who also have money.

      So if someone finds they can do better going outside of the US, what exactly is the problem?

      I'm in the UK and know that there is much wrong with the NHS. However, 2 years ago, my life was saved by our ambulance service and I went on to have major thoracic surgery without having to pay a penny. Since I am lucky enough to live in Wales, I also get all my prescription medication free of any charges.

      This is one of the main reasons I would never contemplate resettling to the USA. I could not live with the constant worry of not knowing whether my health needs would be covered.

      On the same note, the most awesome health system I have knowledge about is in Cuba. Yes, it's difficult to buy simple analgesics if you have nobody supplying you with foreign currency, however if someone needs advanced health care, they are flown to a hospital in Havana, together with a family member, and both are housed free, while the patient receives whatever treatment is necessary.

  11. livelonger profile image87
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    And...the right-wing propagandist has left the building. Probably back at Free Republic.

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    Madame Xposted 7 years ago

    Um, when Sarah Palin was 6 years old, the Canadian Healthcare Act had not yet been passed.

    Just a little perspective . . . smile

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      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Actually it had. It's been around in some form since 1947.

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        Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        But the specific program in place right now, and the one to which this thread is referring was passed in 1984.

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          JeanMeriamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          You don't understand our Acts. It is the exact same thing with a little tweaking. The 1984 Act had to do with changes of funding from the federal government to the provincial governments.

          If something is tweaked, a sub clause added or removed the Act is renamed with that year to mark the changes. For instance in my province the Adoption Act received a new year beside it 1998, because changes were made the Adoption Act to encompass more subclauses regarding open adoption, which is the way it is done now. The rest of the Act did not change.

          There was no new program created in 1984.

  13. SandyMcCollum profile image79
    SandyMcCollumposted 7 years ago

    When one lives in Alaska, sometimes medical needs are such that the person has to travel many miles to receive appropriate care. I was ill in Alaska and had to come to the lower 48 for proper treatment, her closest for the need was in Canada. I don't think it's strange at all that she did that.

  14. WriteAngled profile image90
    WriteAngledposted 7 years ago

    To add to this, two good friends of mine, who live in Cuba, gave up two years to work as doctors in Ethopia for no reward, and more recently spent a year in The Congo on the same basis.

  15. livelonger profile image87
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    WriteAngled - the figures you quoted from Madame X are bogus. They were literally fabricated and disseminated on a bunch of right-wing sites. There is no "United Nations International Health Organization."

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      Madame Xposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      It is usually known as the World Health Organization (WHO), but sometime referred to as the Unitd Nations World Health Organization.

      "International health organizations are usually divided into three groups: multilateral organizations, bilateral organizations, and non-governmental organizations (NGOs). The term multilateral means that funding comes from multiple governments (as well as from non-governmental sources) and is distributed to many different countries. The major multilateral organizations are all part of the United Nations. The World Health Organization (WHO) is the premier international health organization."

      http://www.imva.org/Pages/Orgbio.htm


      The stats from IBD appear to be accurate -

      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/115086.php

  16. Padrino profile image60
    Padrinoposted 7 years ago

    The World Health Organization rates the United States at #37 on the list of health care systems, they have Canada at #30.

    They penalize the U.S. for clearly political reasons, the U.S. does not have a single payer system, Penalty!

    The WHO lists them #54 on fairness, Penalty!

    The U.S. adopted Health Savings accounts, Penalty!

    Patient out of pocket expense, Penalty!

    We are not comparing apples to apples, The U.S. is penalized for, well, being the U.S.!

    1. WriteAngled profile image90
      WriteAngledposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I trust WHO statistics far more than any statistics produced by US agencies.

      1. Padrino profile image60
        Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I don't!

        1. WriteAngled profile image90
          WriteAngledposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Fine, we all have our choices. I am REALLY REALLY happy that I do not live with the health fears so many people face in the US. At my stage in life, I would not go to live there if I was offered £1,000,000.

          1. Padrino profile image60
            Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I wouldn't live anywhere else, but if you believe that the infant mortality rate is on par with a third world Country then you haven't been given accurate information.

            I understand the bias that most of the world looks at the U.S., I guess if I lived in Countries where national pride was frowned upon I might have a bias towards a Country where it is encouraged.

      2. TheSituation profile image80
        TheSituationposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You really shouldn't, the whole UN system is unbelievably self-serving, bureaucratic and corrupt....you would think they were all from Chicago  wink

    2. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Source please. I've learned to be skeptical of right-wingers' claims about health care.

  17. Padrino profile image60
    Padrinoposted 7 years ago

    In the same study I cite above it rated the US "responsiveness", or quality of service for individuals receiving treatment, as 1st, compared with 7th for Canada.

    Canada has a lower mortality rate and a higher life expectancy by a whopping two years.

    I don't mind being dead 2 years before a Canadian, I would mind however having surgery on my brain when I went in for a vasectomy!

  18. WriteAngled profile image90
    WriteAngledposted 7 years ago

    I have also found that the US birth survival rates are only slightly above those in many so-called third world countries.

    1. Sab Oh profile image60
      Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Rates skewed by all the illegal aliens who run across the border to give birth (and some inner city areas with serious public health issues).

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Pregnant women are running across our borders?

        That paints quite a picture.

        1. Sab Oh profile image60
          Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Quite an accurate one. They're known as 'anchor babies'

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, given the sources you cited...

            Oh wait, paranoid delusions don't have to be cited.

            1. Sab Oh profile image60
              Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/ … 0401.shtml


              You really need to pay more attention

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Citing after the fact TK?

                Your source supposedly backs up your assertion that the stats are skewed dramatically?

                Changing your handle hasn't actually changed YOU has it?

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  tk has always been the same. He is just agin it!
                  Doesn't matter what is said, he just disagrees with everything for the sake of disagreeing! lol

                  1. livelonger profile image87
                    livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Has a very desperate need for attention.

                  2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    I must respectfully disagree. smile

                    he is in full agreement with Rushbeckity on most every issue.

                  3. Sab Oh profile image60
                    Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    "he just disagrees with everything for the sake of disagreeing!"

                    I made a statement and supported it with facts. Just what do you want?

                2. Sab Oh profile image60
                  Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  "Citing after the fact?"

                  You seemed to want citation for something you should have known in the first place. And why are you leaving out the part where you were completely wrong?

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Same old TK.

  19. salt profile image64
    saltposted 7 years ago

    do you think palin went to canada because so many people like her in the USA???

    1. Anolinde profile image87
      Anolindeposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Huh?

  20. salt profile image64
    saltposted 7 years ago

    And the Australian system is a mixture of bulk billing via a government system and private health insurance. Private health insurance doesnt pay for your GP visit, but for hospital,...

    its a good mix and although there are waiting lists for elective surgery in the public system, there arent in the private... and everyone gets health care. Noone is left out. A public hospital is not allowed to turn away patients.

    We are happy to hear that the USA is adopting a more kindly system of health care for all.

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      Ghost32posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      More kindly?  I personally will be forced to buy health care insurance under this bill, should it become law, and I don't consider that to be one bit kindly.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You just might be glad you did buy insurance.

  21. salt profile image64
    saltposted 7 years ago

    I was using the lowest form of wit... I like palin as a woman who fishes, as a politican, I think she embarrasses herself.

  22. Ralph Deeds profile image69
    Ralph Deedsposted 7 years ago

    Here's some very good news! I hope it's true.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwGZOzFA … _embedded#

 
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