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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Why is it that gay-agenda proponents think it's okay to make generalizations (and sometimes specific accusations) that straight people want to be gay?

    Why is it that a conservative person cannot say something is just plain wrong and other things right without being attacked personally?

    Why is it that liberal-minded people get by with falsely accusing conservatives of "hate speech"?

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That would depend on whether or not the person actually had good reasons to back up their position on why it's wrong or if their god simply told them it was wrong.

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      china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      what is the 'gay-agenda' ?

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What I don't understand is this... Why are you so against homosexuals? They are doing nothing that personally harms you or anyone else. How can it be wrong to want to be ALLOWED to love the person you love?

      I can understand that YOU don't want to be gay, but trying to dictate what sexuality others can be is WRONG, JUST PLAIN WRONG!

    4. tantrum profile image62
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why don't you stop attacking ???? roll

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why don't YOU stop attacking???????

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          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          yikes yikes yikes

          GOD !!!

        2. JOE BARNETT profile image60
          JOE BARNETTposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          ha ha ha brenda you are too much!

    5. Ohma profile image79
      Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why put a target on your back if you do not want to get hit. The fact is that you seem to thrive on conflict. You jump into a thread and immediately start thumping people on the head with your Christian point of view. You seldom exhibit a willingness to want to discuss things freely.
      You herald the acts of others who defend free speech and yet you seem unable to put the practice to use. since you started this thread only as a response to another thread where you were not successful at bullying the participants into compliance with your opinions I think the honorable thing would be to delete it and go have the debate where it started.

    6. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree that not all people who are anti-gay are homophobic, and the lumping of any one who is anti-gay into a group of supposedly gay people that are in denial of their own true nature is an unfair and juvenile statement.



      Because what is right and wrong is subjective, to you what is right is what is wrong to another. You simply stating that Gayness is wrong means you are simply attacking what they are and what they think is right. That means to them they are justified in defending themselves, even if that defense is a counter attack against you.



      As a liberal-minded person, that you have just lumped into a broad and sweeping generalization and false depiction of,  I would have to say that you have done exactly what you are so indignant about being done to you. Not every liberal-minded person is pro-gay, I am not gay and I am not interested in most gay activities, but I am Pro-freedom and Pro-constitution, and since that means:

      We find these truths to be self evident, that all people are created equal that they were endowed by their created with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

      That to me includes the right to anal sex with a man if the two men involved are made happy by the act. Even if the "Bibles" say it is wrong.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Didn't you say this in another thread?



      Wouldn't that be hate speech?

    8. TheGlassSpider profile image79
      TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      As to your first question: What the heck are you talking about?

      As to your second: Many reasons, first, you're not talking about a "conservative" agenda, you're talking about a narrow-minded religious agenda which has no place in law or government. Second, you don't get to decide what's right and wrong for everyone else with your narrow minded religious agenda. When will people get it through their thick skulls that other people's sexual orientation is none of their damn business?

      Finally, when one targets a specific group of people, makes moral judgments about them based on their narrow minded religious agenda, and decides that they shouldn't have the same rights as other groups of people in a country, that's called hate--when one talks about it, it's called hate speech. Some people don't tolerate it. You ought to be grateful for that fact; but for those who won't tolerate hatefulness and subjection, you'd still be nothing but property--you certainly wouldn't be here.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why is it that Christians think Gays are sinners?

      1. aguasilver profile image87
        aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Think it's something to do with the bible Deborah, those bits where it states that God finds homosexuality (not homosexuals) an abomination, but whatever, we are all sinners... all have fallen short of the glory of God.

        John

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So Christians are judges?
          Nothing was inserted in the Bible to control people?

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            aguasilverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Deborah asked...

            "So Christians are judges?"

            You know full well that the only people we are to judge, this side of eternity, is ourselves.

            We are however entitled to inform people of what Gods decision is concerning specific issues which He has provided guidance on.

            Indeed, if we see people in sinful circumstances, we are obliged to warn them of the consequences and our own 'blood' is at risk if we fail to do so.

            "Nothing was inserted in the Bible to control people?"

            Whatever ended up in the bible was/is there by Gods consent.

            The whole bible is about controlling people, it's about controlling those of us who want God and specifically Christ, to control our lives, rather than Satan controlling them by default.

            It tells us the blessings that come from submitting our authority to Christ, and equally the curses that we attract when we stay in rebellion.

            All those in rebellion seem to object to believers pointing out what God has told us will be the outcome of their rebellion.

            Why would that be...? if our belief is incorrect and they are right, they have nothing to fear from being annihilated.

            So why all the hoo haa about Christ?

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              Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That was a great sermon..

              Those weren't really questions, just observations.

    10. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well, i honestly can't answer that because I can only speak on my own behalf. However, it is statistically proven that the people that are most homophobic are often the same ones that are closet homosexuals themselves.  Using anti-gay hate speech and actions to cover up their hidden desires.  At least, that's what one documentary told me on HBO one time. 

      However, I doubt seriously any gay person who said that, meant for everyone in the world.  If they did, i'll be the first one to tell them that they're wrong. In fact, just the mere thought of touching another man in a sexual related way, makes my skin crawl and sick.  Don't get me wrong, if that's what your into, then fine. Just don't expect me to be a part of it.  besides, i much rather be with girls anyway...or a hot polar bear like beth100.  wink lol

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      i could be wrong, but i think calling a gay person "pervert" falls under the umbrella of 'hate speech'.

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      RachaelLeflerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Okay, saying that it's "just plain wrong" to be gay is like saying it's "just plain wrong" to be black, or hispanic or a Roman Catholic, or Jewish, or Indian, or whatever. By saying that it's immoral to be gay, that constitutes hate speech against the gay community. No one is going around saying it's wrong for you to be Christian or whatever, because you have freedom of religion. No one is going around telling you it's wrong to be straight, or that straight people are all secretly gay, I have no idea who told you this. But plenty of gay people are attacked and victimized by straight people who think they need to be "cured".

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What a load of....

        very biased opinion showing how poorly you interpret even the facts of life.

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          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          This response shows you are not very open minded.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You're correct about that, Hokey.
            I never claim to be open-minded about any blatant immoral agenda.

            1. Hokey profile image62
              Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Just your opinion! wink

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No.  That is my stance.  And it's the Bible's stance.  And it's our Maker's stance.

                Some things are knowledge of Truth, Hokey, not just opinions.
                I hope you'll not continue to let liberal society desensitize you to what's right and wrong.

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                  (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi Brenda, just curious, if you were placed in a position of power tomorrow, in which you had the capacity to change the laws of the country, what would do with homosexuality?

                  1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                    AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Ford be praised

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I'd honor the "don't ask, don't tell" policy, not just in our military but in all areas of American society.   When people practice consentual adult perversion in private,  then that's their business, and, and but, that's exactly where it should remain.  NOT flaunted in the faces of Americans, especially youngsters.  NOT condoned legally by some form of "marriage" or "civil union".    You can't civilize a concept that's uncivil to the core.

        2. TheGlassSpider profile image79
          TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Strangely enough I had the same exact thought about stuff you wrote. Hmmmm.

    13. Ralph Deeds profile image69
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's gone beyond speech lately. Shooting an abortion doctor; crashing a plane into an IRS office; spitting on black congressmen; shooting a guard at the Holocaust Museum; blowing up the federal office building in Oklahoma City, killing 165 people; and cutting the gas line at the home of the brother of a congressman who voted for health care reform. It's clearly getting out of hand.

      Read this, Brenda--

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor … =124906766

    14. LiamBean profile image90
      LiamBeanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know that many gay people, but I'm quite sure I know more than you. They are friends regardless of sexual orientation. Once our particular stands in this area of social interaction are made clear, I never have to restated my position.

      I have never had one of these friends tell me that I'm a closet gay or that I have hidden gay desires.

      I thoroughly believe that this is nothing more than a canard based solely on a bigot's assertion with no actual basis in fact.



      "Why is it that a [conservative/liberal/progressive/independent] person cannot say something is just plain wrong and other things right without being attacked personally?"

      I'd say it's an American pass-time.



      I'll agree that some of it is false, but not all of it. From some quarters nearly every uttered syllable is hate filled speech.

      1. livelonger profile image90
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Some gay guys will try the "how do you know if you haven't tried it?" or questions of that nature. I think they're hoping some straight men they're attracted to are just closeted - something we call "hope-and-praydar" which is far less accurate than gaydar. smile

        This is, of course, no different from straight men pestering lesbian women (lesbian women pestering straight women, straight women pestering gay men), asking them the same thing.

        Sexual orientation, for most, seems to be pretty much hardened by puberty at the latest. But until everyone is completely comfortable with their sexual orientation, there's a lot of ambiguity that can be misinterpreted.

        Not that you don't already know all these things...

        1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
          AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Either way it's irrelevant. Let's get a bit of perspective here. Given all of the twisted, "Satanic" things going on in the world right now, and God knows there are untold numbers of evil acts, and continuance of evil conditions people are subject to in our times, I think Brenda (or anyone claiming a concern for morality) is therefore forced to pick and choose her battles, ie, to pick the worst of the evil, and combat that.. life is too short to solve every problem out there...

          and THIS is what she chooses to fixate on???

          1. livelonger profile image90
            livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Her religion tells her explicitly that she's going to burn in Hell forever for getting a divorce and getting remarried. She's a tortured soul that's projecting as much as she possibly can.

            Very, very common among the Talibangelicals.

            1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It's my position that the word "moral" has gotten all mangled... forcing people to stay in rotting marriages is not "moral". Telling those who clearly in many cases (all cases? Don't know..) have extremely strong desires to be in relationships with and fall in love with someone of the same gender that they cannot have the same tax, etc., rights as others is not "moral".

              Finally, wasting time banging on about these things when there exist such horrendous conditions that need fixing for children (and adults) NOW, is insane (I mean conditions of sanitation, health, basic literacy, etc.).

              1. livelonger profile image90
                livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You're preaching to the choir, my friend. smile (Brenda seems to have left the building)

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      cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this




      why do you assume gay people have "agendas"? do straight people have "agendas" too? i'm straight and have no "straight agenda" or manifesto.

      you have repeatedly called homosexuals "perverts". i think that might be the problem.

      maybe.

      just maybe.

      roll

      1. Shadesbreath profile image90
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am hetero and I have an agenda.  My Hetero Agenda is to get it so that women have to not wear clothes.

        1. Jewels profile image82
          Jewelsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

        2. Jane@CM profile image59
          Jane@CMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol  Are you and my hubby in the same club?

      2. livelonger profile image90
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I actually disagree with you. Gay people do have an agenda - to be treated equally under the law. I would say no other issue binds us as much as that.

        Once we're free to serve in the military and get married to the people we love ... the "gay agenda" is over.

        1. tantrum profile image62
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe one day.... hope soon.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You've always been free to serve in the military.   That's what the "don't ask, don't tell" policy was about; it allowed everyone to serve as they had before, but it stopped catering to the idea that a gay soldier was behaving in a good, professional manner when they made an issue of loving homosexual practices.
          You just weren't free to make unwanted sexual advances to straight soldiers.
          That homosexual agenda you're promoting served only one purpose---it made straight soldiers fearful of reporting unwanted sexual advances and insinuations.

  2. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Okay. From one straight person to another, what is gay agenda ?

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The "gay agenda" is them wanting the right to marry the person they love.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
        Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I would go one step further, the Gay agenda is (to me) social acceptance, and the right to live their life in the open without fear or hatred.

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          Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Once again, I absolutely love the way you put things, Mikel! Am I following you yet? Hm... not sure, but I am for sure going to follow you from now on smile

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            big_smile

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              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I was already following you, wish I could follow you again though big_smile

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                tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                big_smile

              2. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
                Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                big_smile big_smile (Thanks, keep it up and I'll have to go find bigger hats to wear.)

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                  tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this
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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That would be the agenda to make into U.S. Law the sanction of sodomy and other sexual activities which should be kept (if people so choose to do those things) in private bedrooms, not waved in front of the American people (especially innocent school children) like a flag of approval.

      1. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I doubt if there is any such agenda going on that is related to privacy. is there any such case going on in court?

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        china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think you may be right, it would obviously be sensible to go back to putting 'them' in prison, maybe surgically mutilating 'them'. Then we could re-institute slavery to bring back them 'good 'ol days, then we could take back the rights that we men gave women to vote and generally interfere in politicking, but then we would have to discriminate (at best) against divorce but the real joy is that we could run around burning the opposition as witches.

        Before any women, slaves, divorcee's or witches push the report button - this is ironic.

        1. tantrum profile image62
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol

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        JeanMeriamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well I am completely baffled. Unless the US is about to make a law that you must sodomise in public I'm not sure how anything is being waved in front of the people.

        I don't know what law you are talking about, but I'm not American so I don't pay a lot of attention to every law there. If you are speaking of gay marriage then I can say as citizen of a country where it is legal that it has done nothing to anyone else. A few couples who already lived together put on wedding rings, had a big party and went on with life as usual. The rest of us were in no way effected. Those who proclaimed our society would fall apart and families be destroyed simply look silly now that the law has come to pass and nothing happened.

        1. tantrum profile image62
          tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Who knows what's behind Brenda's opinions ! roll

          1. TheGlassSpider profile image79
            TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I do: misquoted and mistranslated garbled messages written and sanctified by HUMANS whose only goal is to gain power and keep it by any means necessary.

            What's really sad is that in another time, Brenda herself would be one of the people being subjugated under the very doctrine she preaches and she is too blind to realize it.

            1. tantrum profile image62
              tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I was implying, she might have some problem in her personal life.

              1. TheGlassSpider profile image79
                TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Oh! *slaps forehead* I totally missed that implication of it...but you may be on to something.

                1. Jewels profile image82
                  Jewelsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you mean she could be gay herself and in denial?

                  1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
                    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Aren't you being "heterophobic" there smile

                    And you guys just had to bring this back on topic, didn't you smile

      4. Pandoras Box profile image81
        Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You should see what straight people do. We still let them get married.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So is it safe to assume you're heterophobic?

          1. Pandoras Box profile image81
            Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, I'm just a perverted socialist gay sodomite baby-killer.

            1. earnestshub profile image87
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ... and not alone I may add! smile

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              sad

            3. Ron Montgomery profile image60
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I thought you looked familiar.

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          china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow - I have been having a lazy weekend and coming on and off line morning evening and a bit in the middle of the day and you are always here battling away, fighting the good fight and trying to knock simple words and concepts into the hardest heads!!

          I have pretty much decided to give up, but now you make me feel guilty as though I am personally responsible for letting some of the reins of civilization slip away into the hands of the most unbelievable bigots and simple minded morons it has been my misfortune to meet.  I can only say I am glad that it is online where the bloody foaming spit that comes with their words cannot get onto me.

          I admire your perserverance and amazing patience with these backward learners, deeply damaged individuals and generally hateful people.  You make me realise that peace, love and caring are still in the world - despite their efforts.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            This battle has been fought for many centuries and reason and logic is slowly winning.  It is hard not to just give up sometimes.  I did give up recently with the Mormon so-called priest. 

            But the fundies?  I've dealt with them most of my life and they are really no challenge as far as making me angry.  They are so funny!

          2. Pandoras Box profile image81
            Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Everybody has to take a break from this stuff from time to time or we'd go insane, I'm sure. I get carried away sometimes, but then I remember what my priorities are, and those four people aren't on hubpages.

            I've actually been thinking that I need to focus more on hubs, preferably the kind that might make me some money, lol, and religion ain't it! Nor is politics, I'm afraid.

            Also thinking I need to pick my fights better when I do dig in. Nobody can keep up with all the crap that gets spewed.

            And as you say it sure affects your perspective of the world and people when you spend too much time on religious boards. It's scary knowing what and how your neighbors really think.

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          cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          yikesbig_smile

          yes, we get downright dirty, i have to say wink

          1. Daniel Carter profile image91
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            RE: straight people and marriage:

            Um, well, from where I stand, I see a lot of hetero people living together in sin.
            Methinks the perversion is not limited to gay baby killers.

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              cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this




              huh?

              you lost me...i was making a joke to Pandora's post. you know, about how naughty us straight people can be...haha never minnnnnd......yikesbig_smile

              1. RainySunshine profile image60
                RainySunshineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                people and their lack of sense of humor roll smile

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                  cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                  i know, right? smilebig_smile




                  amen to that! wink

            2. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
              AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              If you ask me the perversion is in trying to get normal people to feel bad about having normal "urges" and acting on them... you know, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in other words

              (and by normal I'm including gay people roll)

              1. Pandoras Box profile image81
                Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Too bad you have to spell that out in some company, huh?

                1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
                  AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  On reflection my point should be enlarged (no innuendo meant).
                  The hubber(s) who like to claim that there is something called 'heterophobia' are the ones the MOST guilty of it. After all, such folks normally only accept straight MARRIED sex as legitimate. The rest of us are as evil as gay folks.

                  1. Pandoras Box profile image81
                    Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    We let them they'll outlaw everything. Sodomy's not just for homosexuals. (Shhh. Maybe they don't know that yet.)

    3. LiamBean profile image90
      LiamBeanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Apparently it's showing your face, asking for equal rights, and not shutting up about it.

      1. livelonger profile image90
        livelongerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly. When we have equal rights with respect to civil marriage and in the armed forces, the gay agenda is effectively over.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Next question:

    Is it possible that because the "great" Obama touts baby-killing at the convenience of his daughters,  and touts sodomistic practices as the right thing to do (and wants to make those into law),  that the liberal agenda thinks it can get by with everything?

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Another question:

    Why do you think Obama rarely talks about his white heritage but always his black heritage?  Is he maybe ashamed of it?   Is he racist?   Why shouldn't he be proud of BOTH aspects of his birth?

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe the majority of questions posed to him are about his black heritage?

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Seems to me that Obama has spoken of his mother often. He looks black, his experiences have been as a black man in America. When no one knew his name they did not say...oh, you are half white. They saw a black man.

    2. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      He's not racist but most of the people who criticize him are.

      1. Padrino profile image60
        Padrinoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What do you base that statement on? I doubt that its from actual facts, more than likely just your feelings. Feelings do not have a place in debate, facts however do.

        1. skyfire profile image72
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Base is ongoing hatred against him with accusation. So now do i have to give base to you from around the world for remarks on obama for that ? and speaking of facts what you have to disapprove my statement ? feelings ?

    3. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
      Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Changing the subject?

    4. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you must be one of the most judgmental people I have ever come across. sometimes I question if you really are real.
      have you ever read any of his books?  he is very proud of his heritage.

      I feel sorry for you to be so filled with hate.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        She really makes one want to spend eternity with her ilk, doesn't she?  But that's right, only Fox News watchers and republicans (same thing actually) will make it to heaven.  At least I hope so anyway.  It will serve God right!

  5. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    Sodomy has been legal for a hell of a long time whether you like it or not. I agree with others, there is no agenda. Since when did you discuss sodomy in school?

    I'm quite sure if anyone (gay or straight) engaged in anal sex in public they would be arrested. As they would be if they had plain old missionary style sex. It is kept in the bedroom.

    Why do you keep bringing your hatred up again and again?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you keep showing your hatred for straight conservative people?

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Since when have I ever said I hated any conservative?

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Since when have I EVER said I hated ANYONE?

          NOwhere.

          Yet you continue to accuse me of such.

          I'm just pointing out that fact.

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            Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No one is saying they hate conservative people.

            I hate your opinions, but I love you. Yes, if you can do it, so can I.

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            china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Brenda - most of what you say is a hate speech of some form or another, I guess you have some deep problem and so should be pitied, but it is getting hard to find pity for you.

  6. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    FUNNY THREAD !!
    thanks for the laughs !!

    lol lol lol lol lol

  7. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I'm sorry, but calling people perverted, and racist and constantly condemning them is hatred, no matter what you call it.

    Are you sure you aren't also TK/Sah OH? Your reprisals are starting to sound just like his...

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You mean like you treat me?

      Yeah I'd say your constant condemnation of me and my values IS hate speech.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Fine...flag me and see what they say...

        I stand up to you, I'm sorry if you see that as hatred.

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        Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Just as you are entitled to your opinions, we are entitled to our opinions as well. We don't start entire threads complaining how people disagree with us though.

    2. Padrino profile image60
      Padrinoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      By that logic you are condemning a lot of those who agree with you as hateful. It seems to be a sport among those that back a liberal mindset to call everyone racist, I guess its much easier than actually thinking.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Nobody seems to be wanting to answer the question of why so many gays get by with accusing straight people of wanting to be gay.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Because it doesn't happen very often...

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not so.  Happens a lot.  Case in point---the other thread.   I'm fed up with the innuendoes and accusations toward people like me and other conservatives.  If people want to engage in sodomy and baby-killing, then I can't stop them.  But I have EVERY right to speak my mind about it;  and when they try to make it legal in the USA and shut down anyone who speaks the truth and the Truth, then I take huge exception to that invasion/harrassment against what's right.    The moral backbone of American society is being hammered with all the hogwash.  I'm fighting back, and I don't give a whit who wants to twist wrong trying to make it right.  It will never be right and everyone knows it.
        Hands off my country's moral basis!

        1. Mark Knowles profile image59
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So - how far do you want to go exactly? I know you think fire cleanses the soul.

          What about slavery? I guess the liberals stopped that one for you. Are you interested in bringing good Christian values like slavery or segregation back? wink

        2. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It is legal...has been for decades...

        3. TheGlassSpider profile image79
          TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The real shame is that you really have very little clue what you're talking about BOTH when it comes to this country's moral basis AND the Bible.

          Your vitriol and hatred are hardly worth wasting the time and brain cells it takes to type to you.

          Someday, hate-mongering, judgmental, anxiety-ridden people like you will no longer exist and the world will live in harmony. And whether you believe it or not--it is the Lord of the Bible who will make it so.

          And guess what? When the time comes, He's going to have a whole lot less to say to gay people than He will to you and other hateful so-called Christians like you. Knowing better and doing anyway will be punished with many stripes.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I call that hate speech that you just attacked me with.

            1. Ohma profile image79
              Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So you spew whatever trash you feel like and it is okay but when others point out that you are spewing trash that is hate?

              1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
                Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                It's a similar tactic to saying those who see racism are the real racists. That kind of logic.

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              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think you need to look up the definition of hate speech.

            3. TheGlassSpider profile image79
              TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I really don't care. You don't seem to care when others point out how hateful you are. One day someone with more authority than myself will tell you. And you'll like it even less then.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Is that a threat??

                1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
                  Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No. I think he/she was saying that you will one day have to face your maker...

                  1. Jerami profile image79
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    And when we do stand before him; he is not going to ask us how many good things that we think that we have done in this life.
                       I think that he is going to ask us what we still have in our pockets.
                       Are standing before him asking for love and forgiveness....
                    With our pockets full of hate and unforgiveness?

                       I think that we should consider our own baggage that we expect to carry with us.  I'm not that worried about what you are carrying. Though I wish you well.

                2. TheGlassSpider profile image79
                  TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Haha! No, it's a promise, my dear Brenda.

                  One day, you will stand face to face with the Lord God Almighty, and he's going to be pissed that you couldn't find it in your heart to LOVE your brother, and that you spread this hatred in HIS name.

                  Now, I will readily admit that the very same thing is true for me-- there are plenty of things I will be held accountable for as well...but spreading the false doctrine and encouraging hatred won't be one of them.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I do Love my brother.

                    It's you and others who can't grasp the definition of Love, and attack others with your false concept of it.

        4. JOE BARNETT profile image60
          JOE BARNETTposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          brenda its republicans and dems alike that do not want this lunacy. it's the gays that have decided to choose the dem party. they have gone after our children(boyscouts)and last week got xbox to now start putting gays and bi's in their video games so they can bend the childrens thinking.that is so sad! they are like a virus. slowly steadily devouring the youth all the while claiming to be poor little victims.it truly is time to do something because society was trying to be nice since the 70's but it appears that these people have become self righteous, flipped the script and now somehow according to them we. . . are the ones that are morally incorrect ha ha ha ridiculous. . . .absolutely ridiculous!

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            agreed!

            Except that I think the gay agenda has been chosen by the Democratic Party as well as choosing it.  In general, anyway. 
            ...The Republican Party is the only one that I've seen which has a Platform that sticks up for traditional marriage.

            1. JOE BARNETT profile image60
              JOE BARNETTposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Brenda - who coined the phrase heterophobic? i first saw it from you today now i see it in four other places each written after yours. so was it you?

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Apparently it has been used before by a lot of people. http://www.google.com/search?q=heteroph … artPage=1;

                I would never have guessed it.

                Results 1 - 10 of about 304,000 for heterophobic.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I coined it as far as I know.
                Figger I have the same right to as whoever coined the word homophobia.
                But hey maybe it was spoken by many other people before me, I dunno!   So I really can't take credit for it.

                Who knows--maybe it'll make the dictionary line-up one of these days!   That would be one small step toward re-aligning the dictionaries for America's posterity.

                But now that I think of it,  the definition was already pretty much defined long ago, by none other than the Prophets.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I've never seen a gay person accuse a straight person of wanting to be gay. I think you misunderstood the other thread.

      He was pointing out that most people who are homophobic are gay ALREADY. But because of people like you, Conservatives, they are afraid to come out of the closet and join in with your gay bashing. Nowhere did it say homophobic people are straight.

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        She always twists meanings.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image87
          Mikel G Robertsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          there are lots of people that do that...

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You and she are confused.
        If someone wants to "be gay", I'm sure they'll do so.  That IS their choice.

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No..it is not their choice...

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sure it is.

            Nobody's forcing them to engage in a specific sexual activity.   With the exception of instances of rape, of course.  And the current trend at seducing young minds with the idea that homosexuality is A-ok.

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
              Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And here is your old argument again...gays should remain celibate and miserable because you say so...

              I guess no one is forcing you to engage in sex either...

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            sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            so what about bisexuals... ???

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Total unabashed GREED.

              Oops....

              I mean hey I'm gonna wait and see how the libs respond to that very good question....

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                sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Well actually I am liberal but I think you have a very distorted perception of a liberal which I don't blame you for because the liberal views are being propagated by people who aren't so I get it but I just wanted you to know.  big_smile 

                Being liberal doesn't mean that I cannot have Christian morals.  To me it is about making my own choices that suit me in a way I am comfortable with.  Not about making others change to make myself more comfortable.  big_smile 

                I do actually agree with some conservative views but it doesn't make me conservative, it makes me liberal.  And I like you Brenda, very much and I am not mad I just wanted to say and I don't think you are a hater.  big_smile

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  ...

                  Someone else posed the idea that being "liberal" simply means being free of bias....

                  I'm not sure that's right....

                  Liberal, in my conversation and in so many others', means being pro-abortion, pro-gay-rights, pro-socialism, and generally a free-for-all approach to behavior,  anti-rules basically.

                  And I don't think a Christian CAN be liberal in those respects,  at least not for long, because surely they'd soon realize their error....

                  I'm not mad either.  Well, not at you.  I'm mad at the liberal hogwash going on in my country.

                  THANKS for saying you don't think I'm a hater (meaning hater of persons), because you're right--I'm not.  (I've been called that a lot;  and it doesn't faze me, but it is good to hear someone be nice to me in that regard.)

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                    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    And that is exactly where the 'hogwash' as you call it, comes from.  Me and several other liberal friends of mine do vote pro-choice, and pro gay rights yet I, myself am pro-life and I am not gay and I don't think it is right to change a religiously found ceremony of marriage between man and woman to include man and man and woman and woman but they should be able to be life long partners and be afforded all the same rights as a traditional married couple under a new name, I thought 'union' worked just fine. 

                    Being free of bias doesn't mean I don't or shouldn't have opinions or feelings suitable for myself, it means that I am not hear to take away peoples rights only that I am free to make my own choices and I want other people to be free to make theirs as well.

                    But just so you know, voting this way doesn't mean I wouldn't try to talk a woman out of getting an abortion but I wouldn't hate her if she did. 

                    I know it is what some call condoning or insensitive or immoral but really, it is not my choice and I disagree with anyone who says that I would be just as guilty for allowing it.  I think about what God said a lot and take heed to his insight about judgement and free will. 

                    I know that it doesn't jive with other sisters and brothers but if God doesn't force you to do things good or bad then neither should I being trying to force things good or bad. 

                    big_smile

                  2. Uninvited Writer profile image84
                    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    No, you are thinking of an anarchist...

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Back to this.

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Back to this.

              Selfishness.

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          Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, Brenda, it isn't always their choice. My cousin was gay. His parents were Christian and Conservatives. Because of their constant disapproval of homosexuality, he lived life as a straight man for 38 years before he finally couldn't take it anymore and came out of the closet. He never got married. He never had children. He was unhappy and he drank.

          Now that he has finally gotten up the courage to come out of the closet, he is happy. You know what? I think you've gotten the definition of anti-gay wrong. You don't mean you're against homosexuality. You mean you're against happiness.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your story isn't unique.
            I know of people I also love who have similar stories.
            But ya know what?-----that's something each person should deal with themselves.   It's called being accountable for one's actions.  It's called having self-control.  It's called (in several cases that I know of) repentance and living for Christ by turning away from that lifestyle.

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              (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And, that's the bottom line. Your religions tells you to hate gay sexual activities. This has nothing to do with morals, ethics, or anything else other than religious dogma.

              1. tantrum profile image62
                tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And living for Christ means you don't have to be gay !

                Interesting definition ! lol lol

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              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, there are many similar stories. In every single story, one factor remains the same. Christian Conservatives made it obvious they thought homosexuality was wrong, therefore helping another human being (whom you are supposed to love) remain unhappy.

              Does that not make you step back for even one second and think, "Hm, maybe my tactics here are wrong. Maybe I should practice what I preach and try to be more accepting. Maybe I should try being more open-minded. Maybe, just maybe, the world would be more harmonious if I just let people be happy during their time on Earth and let the Lord handle things the way he sees fit when we are called for judgment?"

              After all, you're not God. Who are you to judge others? Let the Big Guy upstairs handle these issues and just allow others to be happy. That's what the Bible says to do anyway.

          2. tantrum profile image62
            tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Happiness is a Sin for some people

    3. Antecessor profile image81
      Antecessorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Brenda quote me where I said specifically that straight people want to be gay. Else stop making that claim.

  9. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

    Ugh.  You are like a horrible train wreck that I can't just drive by without checking out, which I then regret because I can't erase the images from my mind.

    I need better discipline!  lol

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I know, I am always the same. Keep saying...I will not, I will not, then I do...

    2. TheGlassSpider profile image79
      TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL...Panther, you know I found myself thinking just about the same time!! lol

  10. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    And you haven't answer the question you were asked Brenda. What have gay people personally done to hurt you?

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes! Finally, someone noticed my question to her. Since I answered hers, perhaps she can answer mine now.

      1. Ohma profile image79
        Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Pani she also has not responded to my post. I guess it is easy to win a debate if you only choose to respond to the questions you think you know the answers to.

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          Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I suppose it WOULD be easy to win a debate that way. Sigh... I'd still like for her to answer my question though.

          1. Ohma profile image79
            Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think she suffers from selective hearing or seeing or something.

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              Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think she suffers from both.

  11. tantrum profile image62
    tantrumposted 6 years ago

    lol lol

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    American's youth are being attacked within our schools and in many many arenas of life today.   Seduction.  Legalizing crap.  Legalizing baby-killing at the whim of mothers who should know better or be taught better by those with influence.

    And outright shoving that liberal agenda down America's throats.
    Some of us don't like that.  Many of us don't like it.

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      Pani Midnyte Odinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You still haven't answered my question. It seems that you are avoiding it by changing the subject constantly.

      What has a gay person ever done to personally harm you in any way?

    2. Antecessor profile image81
      Antecessorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What you think is wrong is your opinion, you have the right to think anything you want, you can hate blacks, obama, gays, prochoice, anything you want. But thats your OPINION. Describe how you have the right to force others to live by what YOU think is moral?

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Because she's a Christian !

    3. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Are you saying that your parenting has been so poor or absent that your children won't be able to recognize the liberal agenda for what it is and withstand the indoctrination?

      Just wondering.

  13. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 6 years ago

    In reply to the OP. It can be tough to accept sexual attraction to ones own sex- its not an avenue I would want to explore too much, myself. At the same time, every time a person refuses to accept the realities of being human, they become a little more dangerous. So it is worth examining homosexual elements in ones own psyche.

  14. Richieb799 profile image63
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    I have gay friends who are great people that I see every weekend, but I don't agree with alot of the hype.
    I don't like it when people say stuff like everybody has a little bit of gay in them and all this stuff, and you get all this stuff like be 'open-minded' is it not open minded if you don't think sodomy is attractive?
    I can see how to people of the same sex might love each other, but I am happy being me.
    People can make what ever decisions they want as long as it doesn't affect me and I don't have it pushed on me.

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    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

    Being against the gay agenda isn't trash.
    The gay agenda is trash.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The "gay agenda" is a myth...

    2. Ohma profile image79
      Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The only agenda here is yours. You think that because someone is different than you or believes differently that you have the right to spew hatred all over them.

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What's interesting is that gays are real, unlike the gods who teach you they aren't.

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol
        I would say that gays are good people ,even her God teaches they aren't

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          (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I never really met a gay person that I didn't like, even when they were trying to get down my pants. big_smile

          1. Richieb799 profile image63
            Richieb799posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL I have one Gay friend who kept touching my leg lol, even though I made repeated hints I was totally straight..He's cool though..
            But one was annoying, he had a go at me because my nails were dirty! lol and that was my ex girlfriends friend

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      JeanMeriamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      What is the gay agenda?

      1. tantrum profile image62
        tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Something trash, by Brenda's standards ! lol

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          JeanMeriamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          In that case it must be the parade costumes. They are quite trashy. Apart from that I see no agenda.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently, according to Brenda, it has something to do with legalizing public anal sex and teaching schoolchildren that having anal sex in public is okay.

        roll

        1. TheGlassSpider profile image79
          TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't forget the baby killing. Apparently gay people are somehow interested in baby-killing as well.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, I forgot that one.

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          JeanMeriamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well that would be upsetting. It's too bad for the lesbians though. They seem to have no way of getting in on the gay agenda.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            LOL!!

  16. Richieb799 profile image63
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    I made a comment on here just now and it got buried straight away lol

    1. tantrum profile image62
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It's a deadly thread !!
      lol

  17. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    The people who agree with her must not be up yet...I'm sure they will appear in no time...eh, sneako?

    1. tantrum profile image62
      tantrumposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe they are not going to agree with her on this one.

  18. Richieb799 profile image63
    Richieb799posted 6 years ago

    If Jesus was here I don't think he would hate anyone lol Didn't Jesus have a Hubpages account before, did anyone else see this lol

    1. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lol

  19. alexandriaruthk profile image52
    alexandriaruthkposted 6 years ago

    I respect the opinion of Ms Brenda as I respect others opinion as well,
    But I can't understand this thread, its the same as what it should not do in the first place, post a thread which is lopsided, what can you get from a forum thread which is deductive, you have set your conclusions already -- only to be negated and usually discussions will gone awry

  20. Shadesbreath profile image90
    Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago




    So you're saying that you should be able to say that gay people are wrong or an abomination or whatever, but they should not say that you are hateful and judgmental, am I getting that right?

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Of course not, she is above reproach although judgmental..To her, once you say Christ is God you can do anything wrong you want to...lol  This is the Christian idea of Grace.

      1. Shadesbreath profile image90
        Shadesbreathposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        While I can't speak to the idea of Christian grace in any sweeping way, I will say that in the case of this particular OP, there is hypocrisy on a grand scale.  If I can call you a poo-poo face, you have every right to call me a doo-doo head.  Fair's fair.

  21. TheGlassSpider profile image79
    TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago

    Soooo...How does this ban thing work? Will I suddenly get booted from the forum? How long does it take?

    When will I know that HP has made their decision??

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      (Q)posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      When you can't post anymore. smile

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image79
        TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOL, thanks Q. *does a bad Elton John impression* I'm still standin'...hehe smile

  22. Uninvited Writer profile image84
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I think this is the gay agenda:

    http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u79/Sukeep/KateSpadepinkagenda.jpg

    1. oxymoron profile image60
      oxymoronposted 6 years ago

      Heterophobia? lol seriously? tongue

    2. Len Cannon profile image87
      Len Cannonposted 6 years ago

      Truly no one has suffered under the cruel yolk of Hubpages like the poor heterosexual.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The poor white heterosexuals...

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The poor white Christian conservative heterosexual.

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          Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What does white have to do with it? Trying to stir up something else?

    3. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

      why do i have a feeling this is about to get ugly.......

    4. Sab Oh profile image60
      Sab Ohposted 6 years ago

      The misuse of the suffix "phobia" is pretty childish in any case.

    5. Stevennix2001 profile image84
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago

      how did this forum go from talking about homosexuals phobia of heterosexuals to racism?  i'm just curious.

    6. AEvans profile image71
      AEvansposted 6 years ago

      No disrespect to anyone but why do we continue to have these type of threads? Goodness it certainly would be nice if everyone could just get along. Homophobic, Heterophobic I could not imagine living in fear of all of this, I certainly have more things to do besides having a panic attack this song says it perfectly! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTSZ9TFk7A


      smile

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        cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hey, i was just thinking about them today! weird...big_smile

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago

      I do believe she has abandoned the thread. Can't talk back to her because only she is allowed to give her opinion..

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      china manposted 6 years ago

      I have just got up here in sunny China smile What comes through all of this is the striking similarity between Brenda, TK/Sab oh, and now Padrino.

      This got me thinking about how uninteresting it is to have manufactured conversations that can have no resolution, how much time can be wasted on only giving some little geek a giggle.

    9. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      Are we gonna lose the spider? I love spiders, and I like this one quite a lot! sad

      1. TheGlassSpider profile image79
        TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nah...I should think that even if I do end up banned (which I would accept with grace and dignity smile LOL) it would only be temporary. I would return legs aflailin'!

    10. Jane@CM profile image59
      Jane@CMposted 6 years ago

      What an endearing and fun loving thread.

    11. Dame Scribe profile image60
      Dame Scribeposted 6 years ago

      I don't see why the obsession with visualizing what 'alternative lifestyle' people do in the bedroom, is any business of ours. I would rather celebrate that fact their Souls are happy. big_smile

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Bravo! smile

      2. Jane@CM profile image59
        Jane@CMposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well said! smile

      3. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        There are always those who know how everyone else should act.  Like them, of course!

    12. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

      This is why prayer in schools was banned.  Many did not want religion waved in front of their child's nose as as if was a seal of approval.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ramen to that! smile

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        SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Has the story changed over time? It used to be because they didn't want their children to participate or be forced to pray.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          There has never only been one reason for this most excellent ruling.  Don't tell me you've never heard of separation between church and state!

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            SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Separation of church and state is not in the constitution. Search it out.

            I think in order to find out the truth, one must find out what type of person Madeline O'hare was. I also wonder who may have hired her to do what she did.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I made no mention of it being in the constitution.  It will come as no surprise to you that many in this country are not religious.  Why would we want our children to have to listen to cult chantings of any sort?  This has absolutely nothing to do with getting an education.

              "All men are created equal" means a great deal to me.   This means I do not have to listen to anyone's beliefs, whether they concern real or imagined deities.  I'm glad you have the same right.  Do you think I deserve this right?

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                SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                You are deserving of that right yes, but why take away rights of others just so you can say you have your rights? They don't have to listen to any of it.

                Do you really think it is only about prayer?

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you saying the students are prohibited from praying silently?  As far as I know, they can pray silently as much as they like in school.  What rights have they lost?  And no, I don't think it is just about prayer.  It is about keeping religion out of places it has no business being. 

                  Religion has long retarded science and knowledge by teaching myths and hearsay.  "The world is flat."

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                    SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                    And where would you suppose God should keep Himself?

                    You calling it all myths and lies is simply an opinion of oyurs, correct?

                    The world is flat? Not sure where you got that. Of course things written can be misconstrued even by geniuses.

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      You keep your god at your house and there will be no problems.  If your god will personally make it known to the school system he would like prayers to him allowed in school, I feel sure they will comply, and so will I.

                      And yes, this is my opinion.  Myths and hearsay are things which cannot be proven, such as your beliefs.

                      Some astronomers were imprisoned or threatened with imprisonment for saying the earth was round.  It went against church teachings as being heretical.  You did not know this?

                      Please address my silent prayer observations, I would like to hear your take on this.

            2. sunforged profile image64
              sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I wont break into a lesson on constitutional law and judicial interpretation..

              but if one was to 'search it out' ...they wouldnt have to go very far

              First amendment:

              Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

        2. Hokey profile image62
          Hokeyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Actually it is because the constitution has seperation of church and state.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Does it?
            Please define "church" as as it's defined in that part of the Constitution.   Or is it even there?
            And does that mean an organized Church?

            And does that reference to "Church" (I believe it actually says "religion"?)  equate to basic morality?

            If you'll search this and think on it, Hokey,  you may be able to see what was REALLY meant by that part of the Constitution.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And what did it really mean Brenda? lol

              All I can say is - thank goodness people like you are not in a position of power any longer.

              *shudders*

              Can any one say "Burn The Witch!!!"

              1. premierkj profile image77
                premierkjposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I hate the church and I hate the actions of homesexuals. Everyone I've ever known, especially in college so they are educated, they make fun of gay people and are repulsed by what they do. That is my liberal view on the matter and within little groups of friends I think most normal people are repulsed by the actions of gay people, but those opinions do not leave that close knit circle of friends, because they'll be lynched by whoever the hell is making the rules.  Something clearly went wrong with our evolution along the way. The worst thing is that these people are starting to adopt children. What kind of negative impact will that have on a child's life?

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm confused.  You hate what specific church, and how is being against homosexuality a "liberal view on the matter"?

                  But I'm with ya on the hating the actions of homosexuals.
                  And it wasn't anything that went wrong with evolution. It's high rebellion against the laws of God and of nature.

                  It will have a very negative impact on kids' lives.  But the liberal agenda cares NOTHING about kids.  They'd as soon kill 'em as look at 'em;  that's evident by their support of abortion.

                  1. premierkj profile image77
                    premierkjposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry, I hate the catholic church, that which I was forced into before I could even speak, and that which doesn't care about the fact that it's priests have raped thousands of children.

                    When I say 'my liberal view' I mean a view that is free from influence, therefore unbiased, simply based on the facts of the matter. I'm not talking about politics or anything.

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                      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I see.
                      Thanks!

      3. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Shows you how times change. The spirit of society used to be more god friendly as in most homes had a cross in the living room. If you look at early tv you will see an innocence about morals as opposed to todays movies which all flaunt naked skin for ratings. Just because society has gone in the direction of cain doesn't make things better, it just makes things convenient - for now but in the short span of life, in the end, will it be worth it? Ya gotta ask yourself before the car hits the wall at 60miles an hour.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yep, all the husbands and wives slept in separate beds and everyone was white on TV.  Cigarette commercials on every ad break and beer too.  No blacks in the white schools and a chicken in every pot.  Nothing like the good old days.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            just thinking the same... We have some of the most soundly based children's shows the world has ever seen, entertaining kids, teaching them about love. I don't think the world is a bad place, and getting worse either.
            We do have to accommodate a lot more people and ideas though. smile

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I blame the Socialists...

              and the perverts..

              and.........

              1. earnestshub profile image87
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                OK the bloomin onions!

                1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                  Faybe Bayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I was going to sleep,  can you help struggling 911 in this thread? I know you know a bit on marketing!

                  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/39009#post900869

                  1. earnestshub profile image87
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry Faybe, I don't know much about getting re-instated with adsense.

                    I do know a bit about parenting though, and feel this person's priorities are atrocious! smile

                    1. Faybe Bay profile image83
                      Faybe Bayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Yeah, I think he's just hurt. I tried to stop him on day one. He was bragging on how many hubs he could come up with and I grabbed him by the ear and dragged him out of the forum myself!

        2. Pandoras Box profile image81
          Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't think people are more "sinful", I think we're the same as we ever were, we're just alot more honest about now. Plus women have rights and slavery is illegal, but shoot, who's counting that.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Some of this is true.
            Especially the "more honest" part.
            But in that case it means "more blatant & rebellious".

    13. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 6 years ago

      If I were a homosexual I would be scared of hetrosexuals too, They're allover the place, and they're spreading like wild fire.yikes

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        blatvaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I like you man big_smile big_smile big_smile



        SO let me get this right. You, Ms. Brenda, are sick of people attacking you personally for you're views. Liberal sodomites, to be specific.
        Now, I have a question. If you disagree with this.. injustice is what we'll call it.... Then what about all the Homosexuals who get physically and verbally abused for what they believe? Where is their justice?

        You want freedom of speech smile  And thats great. What you don't seem to grasp is that That freedom isn't only for you. It's for everyone. And like it or not, That's the way the world is.

        People attack others for their views everyday. And whether or not you do it isn't the point. The point is everyone has a right to an opinion, yourself included. With saying that, I will say no more. To save the ''innocent school children''.

        smile

        1. Pandoras Box profile image81
          Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well said!

    14. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

      When all the fighting about what's right and wrong is done, we have to begin the work of doing something good. Too bad that couldn't have been done much earlier.

    15. Daniel Carter profile image91
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

      Also for what it's worth, homos don't appear to be taking over the world because there certainly isn't a lack of babies being born, whether wanted or unwanted.

      Misunderstanding and fear, combined with a lack of wanting to listen to each other usually cause such rifts between any two groups of people in society.

      Who really wants to listen?

    16. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

      I forgot the music thing.  I do not understand which music you are referring to.

    17. Disturbia profile image60
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago

      Aren't Christians supposed to be non-judgmental of others, and isn't judgment reserved for only God?

      1. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No. God handed over the rights to judge others, it's in bible read it. Mathew/john/luke verse no xyz blah blah...


        if(person!=christian)
          {
           if (person==liberal)
           convert();
        else
          pass_judgment();
          attack();
        }

    18. Disturbia profile image60
      Disturbiaposted 6 years ago

      Oh Skyfire, I've read the bible, several times.  I lived with an abusive religious nut in Florida that belonged to some freaking cult church.  I got out before I got brainwashed.

      "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."  --  Matthew 7:1-5

      It is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture condemns.

      I think all too often people like to throw stones at those who are different without ever looking at themselves.

      And then again, there are those people who just like to stir the stinky pot.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ............
        A Christian's "brother" or "sister" is another Believer,  not unrepentant deliberate sinners who try to hit Believers over the head with both the liberal agenda and their Bibles (if those unrepentants even have a Bible).

        Jesus said in both Mark 3 and Matthew 13 that whoever does the will of His Father was His (Spiritually) brother, and sister, and mother,  (and therefore children of God). 
        Others are not.

    19. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago

      Unrepentants?
      I am unrepentant. But I keep a bible.
      It is ideal for bumping bible thumpers on the head to attempt bringing then forward in to this century without the fairies and stuff. smile

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know you're totally unrepentant, earnest.
        My question still remains as to WHY.......
        I do have my theory though.
        but hey that's your business.
        I've tried but you're not willing.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

      I see.

      What can I say except that I do disagree of course.
      I think it IS your choice to take a stand (both Biblically and politically) against what you believe is wrong.   Give the devil an inch and he'll take a mile,  and people pay for it with their souls, even.

      ....I keep remembering John the Baptist who had the nerve to tell the King that he was doing wrong.  John paid for it with his life.  But he saved his soul!  The blood of the King was not required at his hands, because he warned him!

      Who these days, even Christians, are willing to speak up at the cost of possibly their lives??    ....I see very few.   All the famous Pastors in the public eye have dropped the ball, stepped down from their watchtowers, fearful of the liberal agenda's axe fallin' on them....
      and the worst thing is that many of them are simply fearful they'll lose popularity or money....

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I think it is a narrow minded approach but it is yours and I see what you are getting at, thus I did add that it doesn't mean I wouldn't try to talk someone out of it and tell them as a friend what I think but if they disagree, then I cannot stop them because they have to live and die with the consequences. 

        The other forgotten clause to abortions and why I vote pro-choice is because if it isn't allowed then some woman take it upon themselves to get them anyways in unsterilized facilities or shall I give you a very horrid image... a coat hanger and they do it themselves. 

        Maybe you would feel then that they deserved to die from infections because what they were doing was wrong but most of them are children doing this to themselves. 

        If my daughter did this to herself because she couldn't at least go to a doctor, then I would lose twice and it would break my heart because I cannot say that I love both the same, because I don't love the one I have never met more than my own daughter.

        Maybe it is the mother in me, maybe I would go to hell for it, I don't know but I would never allow something that preventable to happen to my own kid.  Because you and I and everyone else knows that 'we' don't have control over our kids when they are not within our reach. 

        We can holler, scream, teach, forbid, condemn all we want to but it will not change a persons will from doing what they feel must be done.  You just can't and those are the hard cold facts of life that I am sure God is very aware of.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Of course it's horrid to think of a young girl giving herself an abortion in a back alley or somewhere!

          But, to me, it's even MORE horrid to think of a doctor HELPING her kill her child.

    21. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

      Yes, like those who support health care so those who can't afford it can have treatment. And believing others have the right to live their lives as they choose fit.

      Don't even begin to think that you know or understand my feelings and morals and beliefs... Not everyone is like you and fits into a neat little tidy box...

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What makes you think I fit into a neat little tidy box?

        ..There are many things I had to make a choice about.
        I had to MAKE my life fit into the box. 
        The box of living according to moral conscience.

        Don't you think that if I was only concerned with my personal "pursuit of happiness",  I'd be a different person?
        You can bet I would.

    22. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

      Who here is only concerned with their own personal pursuit of happiness? I certainly am not. I actually want society to be a more accepting and loving place in which we look out for our fellow citizens.

      Like Sandra said, you can be liberal but have some non-liberal beliefs. Not everyone believes the same things about everything.

      And you are thinking of libertines...most people are not like that.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who's only concerned with personal pursuit?
        The heterophobes in society, for one example, including "bisexuals".

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is one aspect of their lives. Bisexuals do not just sleep with anyone indiscriminately. They have relationships with men and women, at different times.

          You can't speak for anyone else but yourself in know what motivates people.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            One doesn't have to always personally experience something in order to know if it's right or wrong.

            There are parameters for right and wrong.
            Wrong thinking is always based on selfishness.

            1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
              Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Everything is black and white in your world isn't it?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                There ya go assuming.

                No, everything isn't that way at all in my world.

                But there ARE definite rights and wrongs in it, as well as in the entire world.   From there, I can only make decisions to the best of my ability.  But the definites HAVE to remain in place; otherwise, I'm lost.  As is anyone else.

            2. mythbuster profile image85
              mythbusterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I thought "wrong thinking" was very often caused by ignorance and lack of knowledge about certain things.

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Not so much. Wrong thinking -highlight thinking. Consciousness of right/wrong is not the problem. Consciousness IS the problem.

                Any true believer will tell you that, else they are propagandists for the law of sin and death, of which they are quite familiar.

                Faith-Grace is beyond needing and needing to know the difference.
                This is that childlike faith. Belief without question. No question, no problem and hence no need for consequence or judgment for knowing right/wrong aka sin.

                - we now return  you to the banter -

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  James,
                  I don't quite get your meaning.

                  But I do know that selfishness, prideful greed, is where original sin came from.  Satan started it.  1/3 of the other angels followed it.  Mankind fell into temptation of it.    And only God/Jesus brought the redemption for it.

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    and exactly how do you know this?

                    the sin of adam ( mankind ) was accepting something less than was given to him, by the Creator -Elohim. The sin wasn't disobedience, sin came before that moment.

                    man didn't fall into temptation he became THAT temptation.
                    it is in the book -read it again.

                    do you know Lucifer's sin? do you also know that he was defeated - done finished at the moment Y`shua entered Sheol? Yet millions of you are seeking him out and blaming him for your own HaSatan. It is your own conscious seared that brings charges against you in the heavens. For that adversary you blame was brought to nothing.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sort of like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny is "childlike faith."  But most of the time we grow up and realize the illusion or delusion, whichever you prefer, is just that.  Some never do!

    23. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 6 years ago

      I always pictured Jesus just walking around talking to his desciples and when a crowd gathered he talked louder, that they could hear. I do not recall any stories that he played the Cary Nations routine. 
         The only time that he did he was in the temple.
         It is too bad that the forums can't be like that.
         I'm with Sandra on the rights for the woman to choose on the abortion isue. That is between her and her God.
        Is it better to make the young Girl have the baby and then neglect, or aduse the child while they live in poverty because she had to cut her education short to take care of a baby that she did not want.
        We should; instead of judging anyone; think to our selves, except for the grace of God that could be me.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I hope you're kidding.

        Guess not.

        Very disappointing.

        There's been immense help for young women in those situations,  for a very long time.  So your scenarios are NO excuse for baby-killing.

        1. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          We can not impose our morals upon anyone.
          Even if we could it wouldn't work for them for long.
          They gotta get their own, in their own time, the same way that we did.

    24. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

      The way you talk in here is always in black and white, no grey.

      The fact that gay people exist does not affect my life in any way, shape or form. It is not up to me to say they do not have the right to live their lives they way they do. Women used to be expected to get married and have children and not vote and not work. Times change, society evolves. The more we understand about human psychology, the less we can control how people live their lives.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree UW the more the world recognises women the further we will progress too. smile

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How does society "evolve"?

        There is no evolution.

        Matter of fact, mankind has come full-circle, right back to the days of Sodom.

        1. skyfire profile image72
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lol, there is no evolution ? and proof for your claim ?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            For starters, there's a very-proudly "Officially...perverted" thread around here that illustrates it quite well.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not illustrated well enough for you to understand, though!

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                A child could understand its wicked intent, since it's so blatantly full of crap.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Only if one is too uneducated to understand it!  What christian denomination controls your mind?

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    None.

                    I was raised Separate Baptist, but have visited different denominations.

                    I believe the Bible is self-explanatory for the most part for a Christian who reads it with Spiritual eyes;  and the parts that need studied are easily reconciled in the same way.

                    As far as influence,  everyone has a conscience they should go by.
                    Most Churches I've been to, or been a member of, are based on solid Biblical teachings, although anyone can be in error at times.   And they have a burden for lost souls, which is the MAIN reason for Churches, or should be.

                    And I've been to churches that were ...just wrong in their focus too.
                    One of them, not too long ago,  was where the Pastor spoke racial crap and unnecessary insulting things in the middle of an otherwise-very-good message.   I haven't been back to that one.   That kind of preaching is a tool of the devil.

                    1. Ohma profile image79
                      Ohmaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      So this is what makes it so easy for you? You only have to follow the teachings you see worthy in your spiritual eyes and ignore the rest?
                      Who gets to decide what is parts are worthy?

            2. skyfire profile image72
              skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So a thread or some blog explains your proof ? No wonder you prefer Kristian & islam funded creationism.

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                Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I don't prefer "islam funded" anything.

        2. sunforged profile image64
          sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          well you can vote cant you?

    25. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

      Goodnight...I think I would have more luck talking to my cat...

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Me too.
        I sometimes talk to both my cats.
        I think they're Christian kitties.  I caught one of 'em sittin' on my Bible....

        wink

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You should buy a litterbox.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol lol

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Of course you would, unless it was a "christian kitty."  There's never a lion around when ya need one!LOL

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

      Then we might as well throw out all our legal system.  Even the laws against theft, rape, assault, murder....

      Don't tell me a community or nation can't legislate morality, Jerami.   It's done every day via those laws I just mentioned, and others.   And ergo don't tell me we cannot "impose morals" upon anyone according to God's Laws, as well as those mentioned.

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This is a good response. Certainly society, via its laws, should impose certain morals, or ethical standards, on those who would not follow them otherwise. That is true. In fact, I find the whole abortion thing a little dubious (ie, I think there might be an argument for it being morally wrong), and I am in general what you would call a liberal! (I guess).

        But you yourself said elsewhere that a don't ask don't tell policy on homosexuality is how you would approach the topic if you were governing.

        Beyond this, you cannot muzzle people, gays included, and forbid them from participating in public discourse. This is a PRIMARY AMERICAN VALUE... FREEDOM OF SPEECH. This, beyond perhaps all other things, is what makes America different from Communist or Fascist countries... freedom to speak out, freedom of debate, freedom of association, and freedom of the press. Without these things we are all doomed. And not in the way you usually think about... instead, here, now, on earth.

      2. Jerami profile image79
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was speaking on a personal level.
        Yes we can vote. We can express our opinions. But we can not impose our morals upon anyone else.
          The proabition should have taught us something. Ya caint legislate against stupid.
            We can make little impact upon the world until we clean our own house first. Jesus said that he came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
           He was attempting to clean his own house, he didn't seem to be that intrested in the outside world at that time.
           If he had been able to do that it would have been a bright example for the rest of the world. And things would be diffrent.
           
          If   "everyone would"   worry about their own deamons each and every one of us; the world would be a much better place.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

      Matter of fact, our dear President just got through "imposing" his own personal morals (or non-morals) upon the American people,  from the time he got into Office.

      ...Man's laws and God's laws have always gone hand in hand (when they're put in place right in a nation.)   

      When man's laws attempt to supercede God's Laws,  it's time to be a John the Baptist.  Not an ostrich with its head in the sand.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago

      Ummm....

      Part of the freedom of public discourse should, of course, have boundaries.

      For instance, libs may call freedom of expression the right to walk around naked in public.   But there are innocent children who also have the right to be in public.   So adult accountability/responsibility is called for there.

      EVERYBODY cannot have total "freedom" at the same time!

      Ergo there MUST BE moral ground rules.

      The liberal agenda of today in America is becoming very nasty,  having little or no accountability.


      Well....my main intent isn't whether or not America is doomed "here on earth"!

      It profits nothing for a man to gain the whole world, yet lose his soul....

      1. AdsenseStrategies profile image72
        AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Believe it or not I agree with the spirit of what you have written here. I also agree, I think, that in many ways there is a "liberal" bias to modern American mainstream culture (though I do NOT extend this to the news... but that's a different topic. Don't forget ALL of the mainstream networks called a Bush victory over Gore.... But I digress.)

        From that point of view your perspective makes sense (sort of). In other words, if I was a Christian conservative, I would probably be asking, like you, why (generally) secular, liberal social norms should be spread through America and not, say, Christian conservatve norms?...

        ...In short, who decides? To be clear, as I am sure you know, in general I SUPPORT liberal norms and standards (not as many as perhaps you might think, but in general). But the question as to why these norms should hold sway over a different set of norms is a good one.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I appreciate that response.
          Along those same lines,  where do you think that mainstream liberal influence started,  or gained ground?

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            AdsenseStrategiesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I imagine it is a complex sociological question, but presumably a short answer is during the nineteen sixties. I wasn't around then roll, but perhaps we can blame it on the Beatles wink, or Elvis... Not sure I'm qualified, overall, to answer though

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              DevLinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              1964, then solidified in 1969. Reagan tried to stop its constant evolving. Didn't.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            http://www.linenoiz.com/pics/funny/church_lady_satan.jpg

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              Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Whose picture does that remind me of?????

              It'll come to me...

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                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                http://s1.hubimg.com/u/1372988_177.jpg http://geoffgottlieb.org/wp-content/church_lady.jpg

                I don't see any resemblence.

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                  Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Absolutely not - Sillly me.

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        sunforgedposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        you imply that that nudity is wrong and harmful, is the form that your creator made not perfect and worthy of viewing ?

     
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