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This vote will be close yet again. Obama came to power, promising to reduce the craziness on Capitol Hill and unite people as Americans. So far, this hasn't happened.
Obama has offered republicans every chance to be included. He has asked for ideas and been willing to compromise.
The GOP has opposed Obama at every turn. Presidentaial nominations are blocked. The use of the fillibuster has reached record heights and turned the Senate into a black hole for legislation - nothing comes out - while the country suffers.
Onama and the democrats are not to blame for the fact that the GOP lays down on the tracks every time we want to move something.
What a load of crap. He shut them completely out of the crafting of the health care bill and then cries that no Republican wants to get on board. That's because they don't want to commit political suicide.
Are you stupid or something? Until late December the Dems had a majority in the House and a supermajority in the Senate. The Republicans couldn't stop them no matter what the Dems did. It's been the Democrats who have been stalling this bill. Seriously aren't you the least bit ashamed of getting things wrong all the time?
Or don't you know what it means to have a majority and supermajority in the House and Senate?
Wrong again Ldt!
Steele, from the ad's script:
"The Democrats are accusing us Republicans of trying to delay and stonewall their government takeover of health care. You know what? They're finally right."
Here's GOP senator Jim Demint vowing to "break Obama."
hes not wrong you are
a majority of democrats couldnt pass their own health care plan and the lying left blames republicans
the majority of americans are not buying the democrat lies anymore
Deal with it Creepy! Today is a great, historic day in America! I haven't notice you coming out in favor of anything. You must be in favor of something??
deal with what i am in favor of freedom personal rights and capitalism
in november we will boot out the dems just as we did in the early nineties
deal with that
"i am in favor of freedom personal rights and capitalism"
Me too. So is Obama and every Democrat. What are you smoking?
the government owning car companies is capitalism
making me buy health insurance i dont want or need is protecting my personal freedom
what am i smoking
a better question is would you like a hit of what im smoking
and the answer is no it stunts intelligence
If you lived in Michigan you would be very happy for the TEMPORARY government takeover of GM and Chrysler. It was the least the government could do after crucifying American manufacturing workers on a cross of blind devotion to "free" trade. Why don't you put your ideas, if you actually have any, in a few hubs instead of just trolling the forums?
of course the corrupt unions and their devotion to mediocrity had nothing to do with the failings of the car manufactures
trolling you mean having an opinion contrary to yours is trolling
put the pipe down now
The UAW is the most idealistic, cleanest and most uncoruptible union in the history of the U.S. Again, you prove yourself totally ignorant of what you're talking about. There was a CEO signature on every national agreement in the auto industry.
No, trolling is your little, contentless, factually deficient, ignorant comments.
?? Are we talking about the same UAW discussed by Michelle Malkin? http://www.reclinercommentaries.com/200 … ption.html
pardon me for butting in...
Ralph, thanks for putting the facts out there that so many people don't seem to acknowledge or understand. You're my Michigan Hero
Regarding the UAW: Ford is about to cut about 1000 jobs, and the guys are cheering outright. They are happy to see the house cleaning. There is no corruption there.
I am one of the thousands of folks whose job was saved by the government loans even though my job is completely unrelated to the industry.
I have a friend who is ill and cannot get health insurance. It is not a terminal condition but without treatment she is dying. She has ZERO medication right now. People who argue against the bill need to realize that this is happening. I'm so frustrated with the folks whose the overly broad anti-Obama rhetoric completely ignores the fact that people are dying due to the train wreck that is our current health care system.
people will still die if his version of reform is passed
unless you think he is a god
No, I'm an atheist.
I also don't look at things completely black and white, and then start spouting off opinions that have no basis in fact.
People work full time, pay their SS and taxes, and still cannot get health insurance. This is not acceptable. And, what do you mean when you say "his version"? If I'm not mistaken, bills are written in congress, not the oval office.
I'll have to let you slide on that one I guess, since you believe that UAW can force a contract to be ratified.
The Godfather? really?
and i can admit it
can you admit to being naive
no, I can't admit to being something that I'm not.
I'm not feeling comfortable having this discussion with you. Let me get my own sock puppet
There. Now I am free to spout off unfounded opinions without needing to justify anything at all.
Now we're on the same page.
I will grant you the "historic" part of that statement, Ralph.
Great? Not so much.
Oh give it up! it's all politics!
Because Ryan is giving this big shpeil on the floor right now, and it struck me that he could have given the exact same shpeil about Bush's tax cuts! Or Bush's "war"! It's all bs. Because when they want money, they get it. Look at the military.
Ryan is shilling for the Insurance Industry or Big Pharma or Doctors, or something...he could care less about the cost.
Because they never ever care when they are spending it.
It's all such a sham.
We have enough for everybody in this country. We just don't like to SHARE.
god-now I've GOT to get off this computer!!!
LEDEF- it's good to be passionate about your beliefs but it's prudent to become informed before before that decision. on this topic you are totally wrong!Obama asked for the republicans help over and over again till the people started saying "if he asks them again, i'm gonna think he's crazy" he was doing his job. republicans have received their gov't checks and done not one thing to help this country and that is their job. whats your opinion on that?
i realize you asked someone else but i cant seem to help myself
the republicans are not supposed to help the president pass his agenda they are supposed to oppose him having said that they did want to be involved with real reform but this bill isnt real reform
so in conclusion the republicans have earned their checks in representing their constituents and a lot of democrat constituents
If the Republicans had been smart they would have accepted Obama's proposal to cooperate and work out a reasonable compromise in the public interest. Instead they bet the farm as the "party of NO!" They may ultimately regret this losing bet.
"Obama asked for the republicans help over and over again "
No, obama and his minions grudgingly offered Republicans the opportunity to agree to everything the dems wanted or to STFU and go away. Political nonsense.
Received this tweet from the President. Thought it might add something to this forum topic.
This is why I'm here, and why I'm fighting so hard for health reform: http://bit.ly/cxVoFz tweeted about 5 hours ago via web
That was a cool tweet! And if I had my way, those Blue Dogs would go find another party...or start one of their own...the Yellow Republicans or something lol.
Go Obama! Healthcare for all! It won't be perfect, but it's a start.
And then Financial reform..getting out of the "wars"...More jobs bills...Just Do It. The Repubs would- with 0 care for the other side...you've been too nice already.
Unless they change their ways, which looks highly unlikely.
The UAW is the most idealistic, cleanest and most uncoruptible union in the history of the U.S.
sure it is uncorrupted is the word you seek
uncorrupted means they are just not as corrupt compared to the teamsters
ceo signature that reminds me of the godfather either your signature or your brains will be on this contract
do you have any more fairy tales
are you personally attacking me isnt that against the rules
Creepy, in contrast to you, wyanjen and I actually know something about the auto industry based on personal experience. You obviously are repeating, lies and misconceptions you've picked up from right-wing anti-union propaganda. If I felt like it I could write a book about what was wrong with the UAW and the auto company managements. Both were far from perfect. But your criticism is far off base.
lies and misconceptions about unions
teamsters mired in corruption lie
garment workers union misconception
service workers union misunderstanding
united auto workers union http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/uaw-o06.shtml
Tomorrow will be a new day, the sun will rise somewhere in our great nation.
The Dem's and Obama got the votes, that was important to Obama and the radical leaders of the democrat party.
The constitution is under attack, Washington bureaucrats are celebrating over a win on healthcare reform.
When the smoke settles down and the Supreme Court reviews the the law suites filed by the states, maybe then the people will get the true facts on how the 111th congress (12% approval rating )passed the healthcare reform bill.
It has been interesting watching this from the UK. I am sure we don't get the full story over here but they had clips on the news of people that had bad experiences with our national health service (NHS). The majority of people over here support the NHS, that is obvious because there are very few politicians that speak out against it. Some people have bad experiences but that also happens with private health care. There are also millions of people that have had good treatment without having to pay. Supporting the NHS is used as a vote winner here. I like the choice we have, paying in to a service that is there for everyone but also having the option to go private. I just hope you can sort something out that works as well in the US, I know it is a very different country, much bigger with a larger population and what works for us might not for you.
Yes-we need to switch our thinking that the most important thing...the be all and end all of all of life's endeavors in the world is for people to make lots and lots of money no matter who suffers, who dies, who lives in pain, whose kids go without, whose parents go without heat, whose mom can't afford medication, whose father has to worry on a daily basis because he can't afford the healthcare that his family needs.
Lust for money is the root of all evil, and we're going to strike at that root until we wake up and see the light.
Next up-financial reform....ahhh yes, legalized gambling and loan sharking of the three pieced suits. Usury is such an ugly practice.
A country is judged by how they treat their citizens. All of you who don't care about your fellow citizens....
I think Ruuussshhhh is booking a flight out of here....Dubai doesn't seem to give one thought for "the little people", maybe you would find that type of atmosphere more to your liking? Not telling you to leave, just offering a suggestion....
Ha. Just kidding. Unlike the wing-nutters, I would never suggest such a thing. But Russshhhhh DID say he would leave if this healthbill passed. (oh please please God...make him do it!)
Flight 203 of the Blow-Hards, boarding at gate 1.
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