http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … th-threat/
An arrest has been made in a death threat against a Jewish Republican Congressman by a pro-Obama supporter. Obviously all the Democrats must be just like this guy, anti-Semite haters. I mean it makes sense right, since all the Tea Party Protesters are obviously racist even though there's been no evidence of any threats of violence, or racist speech, or any arrests of any Tea Party members.
SOMEONE CALLED CONGRESSMAN EMANUEL LEWIS A "N@#$#R" ON THE CAPITOL STEPS. ANOTHER CONGRESSMAN WAS SPIT ON WHILE ON THESE SAME STEPS AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANYTHING BUT A PLANNED RIGHT WING NUT ATTACK ON DEMOCRATS. YOU TOP NUT RIGHT NOW; SARAH PALIN, IS SHOWING PICTURES OF DEMOCRATS IN CROSS HAIRS. AT THE TEA PARTY KLAN RALLYS; PICTURES AND COMMENTS BY THE THE PEOPLE THERE ARE FILL WITH HATE VIOLENCE AND RACISM. THE HATE SHOWN BY RIGHT WING NUTS FAR EXCEED ANY ONE INSTANCE YOU CAN COME UP WITH.
I look forward to the day when you wake up and create a POSITIVE thread on Hubpages, instead of this trend you have, Poppa Blues.
I recognize the sarcasm in poppa's post. But I don't see it as bad.
Thanks DNF! The left doesn't like the truth. They'll talk about civil rights, and discrimination, and tolerance until they are confronted with their own discrimination and intolerance, then they just get nasty! They want to paint the Tea Party with a broad brush of racism and the promotion of violence simply because they oppose their views on freedom and small government.
LOL. This is wonderful irony. You started this thread with the supposed intention of pointing out how the tea partiers are wrongly painted as all racists and violent. "Don't stereotype me bro, we're not all racist and violent!" LOL. Then you go and say "Everyone on the left is intolerant blah blah blah."
Look, I hold socialist views on some things, and anarchist views on other things. I agree with libertarians on some things and I agree with republicans on some things.
If you sincerely want to stop the name calling and accusations and division, don't go name calling and accusing everyone who voted for Obama of hating freedom.
Again: where are the public condemnations from the Tea Party of Sarah Palin for using violent rhetoric on her facebook page? Where's the public statements against Ted Nugent for his statements about Obama?
It's not just some individuals within the movement. It's the leaders of the movement who are using this rhetoric.
If you don't want to be called a racist kook, don't hang out with racist kooks.
And I should say that Gamergirl is probably handling this the best of anyone here. We need more conversations and less name calling, and that includes me.
But if you go around saying "the left" (which you define as all democrats) "hates freedom" then you're not going to have a very productive conversation.
I didn't say everyone on the left was intolerant, i said "they" as in generally speaking are hypocrites when it comes to the freedoms they purport to espouse, like free speech for example like when those Canadian students threatened Coulter and she had to cancel her speech.
The left is tolerant of lots of things, abortion, gays, etc. which is fine, I don't have a problem with it but the rhetoric against the tea parties is over the line referring to them as "teabaggers" and painting the whole movement as racist and violent, is like saying all Muslims are terrorists and all blacks are criminals, it's absurd!
Oh and Palin did not show congressman in cross hairs! What nonsense! Did you go to her facebook page? I did! It was a map of the USA with certain congressional districts in crosshairs to indicate they are targeted districts come election day certainly not a promotion of violence!
"The left doesn't like the truth. They'll talk about civil rights, and discrimination, and tolerance until they are confronted with their own discrimination and intolerance, then they just get nasty... they oppose their views on freedom and small government."
Then gamergirl asked:
"Without using derogatory or accusatory language, can you please explain to me what you believe to be the "left"?"
and you said:
"Sure the democrats"
So, it seems to me you said pretty clearly that democrats (oh, maybe half the country) don't like the truth and oppose freedom.
Ok, so you were only speaking in general, not about every single individual? Fair enough. Then when someone calls the teabaggers racist because there are racist signs at the protests and the teabaggers shout racist slurs at a black Congressman, don't complain about it. Because we're not calling all teabaggers racist, only, in general, the people who aren't mad at the teabaggers for being so overtly racist.
Well when I said the democrats it was an over simplification to illustrate my views, I should have said mainly democrats.
Anyway it's more complicated then the way you present it. Many folks that are registered democrats or support them do so because they are the beneficiary of the "free stuff" the dems hand out, or they are young and indoctrinated by our public education system, or they just never learned about the constitution. When I said the democrats I was referring to the politician that are members of that party. They know full well they are socialists.
It was meant as a sarcasm. To show how far one side goes, the other does the same. I got it. I get it. But I'm not letting left, right, or middle offend me outwardly.
these threads do nothing but promote division.
I'd say, considering the usual responses from both sides, that this is exactly what Poppa Blues and his cohort Sab Oh, intend.
Bet you don't get a cushy multi-million dollar contract like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck though.
I guess so, on one of these threads there's a comment regarding 'wisdom comes with age' while he was degrading a younger poster for his opposing views. there's nothing wise in condescension. age does not = wisdom. I know young people that can give a very intelligent debate on national and global issues without attacking the other person. I don't see much of that here in these kind of threads. that's why I choose to stay out of them.
I disagree! (What a surprise!) The division is already there. What these threads do, I hope, is help each side understand the other side as well as the faults of their own arguments.
People shouldn't take it personal. I know I don't.
did you ever see the movie, The Great Debaters? I think it's a great example of impassioned political debate. what happens here is not what I would consider debate. but it can be entertaining at times as long as people aren't being callous.
I do recommend the movie if you haven't seen it.
I haven't seen it and I'm surprised because I see just about every movie that comes out. It sounds like one I'd love, but my wife will hate it!
well, you will love it, and so will your wife. it is based on a true story and is very inspiring.
'A drama based on the true story of Melvin B. Tolson, a professor at Wiley College Texas. In 1935, he inspired students to form the school's first debate team, which went on to challenge Harvard in the national championship.'
I was going to watch that movie but then I noticed that 'Watcing Paint Dry' was on at the same time and I had to go with the one that seemed more interesting.
I never thought I would see my country divided in this way.
I know the American people are Patriotic on both sides.
I do not for one second think that citizens on the left want to engage in violence against their fellow countrymen. Nor do I think that citizens on the right want such a confrontation.
There are people on both sides who are fed up with Washington in general and are now getting their voices heard.
I think the left views the protests as being against them. It is not Or maybe they think it is against their President. It is not.
It is the system as a whole. Corruption needs to end. Corporate and bank control of our country needs to end.
If Obama loses in 2012 and a republican gets in office this in no way changes the system.
The govt needs to be accountable to the people at every level. From multi trillion dollar debt to janitors in our school system stealing supplies.
We need to hold our employee's to higher standards.
The only reason we have to deal with a corrupt system is because we do.
The most sensible thing I've read so far today Arthur!
(Gamergirl a close second.)
Good points Arthur. People better remember we are not the bad guys the 545 crooks on Capitol Hill are ! And we better start working together ! United we stand. Divided we fall. And we are falling !
I don't think things are too bad yet Tony. We are nowhere near where we were during the Depression. And back in the early 90s the Militia groups were running around in their camo PJs too (something about democratic presidents seems to bring the nuts out of the woodwork).
I hardly think the passage of the healthcare bill will bring about mass insurrection.
My prediction is that things will gradually get better (relative to the past two years). We may never again achieve the power and wealth of the post WW2 years but this recession is easing.
However, the whole planet is in for a crappy ride this century I think. Global warming, rising population, peak oil, overfishing of the oceans - these are the really scary things.
I was refering to the division of American citizens and their Ideologies William. These forums are a prime example of the lack of civil discourse and the ugly differences we the people have with each other. Meanwhile the crooks in Washington do business as usual while we are at each others throats !
I really should write that hub I've got cooking in my brain about Anarcho-Minimalism. ;-)
The post was tongue in cheek, sorry of you didn't get it! Of course the notion is absurd, but no more so then claiming the Tea Party Protesters are racist promoters of violence. Yet the media and many here want to paint the Tea Party with the broad brush of racism, this even though there hasn't been a single arrest nor has the claims of disparaging racist statements hurled at representatives in the capitol been confirmed, in spite of the fact that there clearly were witnesses including uniformed security present.
The left, and the media have behaved unfairly in reporting this story and it's time they own up to the absurdity of their claims!
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story/Te … UsmDg.cspx
http://rawstory.com/2009/2009/11/tea-pa … i-germany/
http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2010 … hreat.html (he also had a grenade launcher, among other things)
watch this video - listen closely about 1:35.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/9 … sters.html
Racists signs at Tea Party events:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/tea-part … word-sign/
violent signs at tea party event:
Why are you still defending these people Poppa?
Not a single arrest for violence. I can't view the video now but I have yet to see proof of the claims on even the liberal media. Again, you pick out a couple of signs and apply your judgement to an entire group of people, so how is that different than me doing the same to the democrats based on the video of the death threat of Cantor by the guy that admitted to firing a bullet through his window? Seems to me you have a double standard.
My question is, why don't the teapartiers speak out against people like Ted Nugent, when he holds up a machine gun and says "Obama suck on this".
Why don't the tea partiers denounce Sarah Palin for saying "It's time to reload" and when she has pictures of democratic representatives with crosshairs on them?
Why don't the tea partiers, as a group, make sure that those protesters who have violent or racist signs are excluded? Destroy their signs, or at the very least don't let them protest with you. Make the racists stand in their own little group?
My point is, racist and violent rhetoric comes from all over the right wing side of the aisle. Sure there are lefty nutjobs but I never saw a single racist or violent sign at any antiwar or anti Bush protests I've been to.
And while there are people on the left who call for violence, the democratic mainstream is not using violent rhetoric.
Those are all good questions. Those behind the Tea Party and the GOP will reap the whirlwind they are encouraging.
Really Mr. Wilson you've never seen a violent sign at an anti Bush protest?
I have already posted pictures of the violence at leftists protests so I won't do it again.
I must say the Tea Party organizations have spoken out against the violence, but you won't see that reported of the left wing media that you watch like Democracy Now and such. I can send you copies of email I receive from the Tea Party movement calling for peaceful and respectful protest because let's face it they don't want their brand soiled.
The question is who gains from soiling their brand? Hmmm... would that be the democrats? The democrats are trembling in fear from the rising tide of grass roots rejection of their socialist agenda. They will do anything to discredit and disparage that movement and they have from the beginning. They have apparently convinced a number of folks that the movement is full of racist haters, yourself included!
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
"Sure there are lefty nutjobs but I never saw a single racist or violent sign at any antiwar or anti Bush protests I've been to. "
You weren't looking for them.
I like the tea party, we have radicals on both sides my solution is go vote.
violence begets violence.....
When you come out swinging and "hit" a number of people in the process it's hardly a "tongue in cheek" post.
But I would never use the word subtle in the same sentence with your handle.
Read the link. Crazy people don't have a political party unless it's one they've formed themselves...and all those voices they hear.
And I thought Cantor had made this stuff up - according to some of our uber liberal friends.
I abhor violence and threats. What I don't understand, however, is how so many of the anti-violence group were mute when groups were holding signs that said "Save America - Kill Bush." And what about the movie made about assassinating Bush? Can you imagine the reaction if there was a movie about assasinating Obama????
Both sides need to chill! Debate peacefully and vote!
What gets me is that BOTH parties, by use of party indoctrination and propaganda have pitted the American citizens against each other. And now through thier retoric they are inciting more aggressive(even violent) behavoir. When are we as citizens going to wake up! Even George Washington recognized way back when that a two party system would be detrimental. Yet here we are with a two party system, at each others throats because we don't dare to absolve these two parties. WHY?
I actually think they like dividing us because it decreases our power as citizens. Imagine if it were an "us against them" scenario!!
Without using derogatory or accusatory language, can you please explain to me what you believe to be the "left"?
Is that all? I mean, is there more to it than that? Or is the entire smearing of people, within and outside of the government payroll, the "leftist, socialist, Marxist, Communist" -ist parade solely based on political party?
I'm trying to understand your personal definition of what makes a person a "leftist."
Well I didn't want to hurt your feelings! Of course it's more complicated than that because everyone is different and will have slightly different views, but in general those that think the constitution doesn't apply any longer because it's old, those that believe larger government is the answer to our problems, those that think the government should be the entity that decides what is best for the "common good" and is the sole decider of what powers are theirs, and those that believe that the majority rules and the individual doesn't matter. That's the left, the socialist, Marxist, left.
Thank you for providing that broader explanation of your perception of what the left means.
And see, you only insulted people who believe that way at the very, very end.
The problem I see is that both sides have issues that are wrong in dealing with the millions and millions of people in the United States. But that, I think, is a topic for a different thread.
I would hope no one was insulted by that post! Why would they be? If you are a Marxist then you shouldn't be ashamed to be called one. If you believe in the same things a socialist believes then why would that label offend?
These aren't meant to be insults but merely labels that define a person's philosophy.
Perhaps you're not a US citizen and you don't understand the constitution or the role of the federal government. Think of the US as a collection of 50 sovereign countries that formed a bureaucracy to handle certain tasks common to all the states, like national defense, international trade, and foreign relations. Not imagine that entity unilaterally expanding the scope of it's powers without the consent of the parties that formed it. That's the US government today.
I am a US citizen, a veteran, and something of an anarch (favoring minimalist government, and anarchistic capitalism.)
However, I also believe that the buzz words, the labels, have in and of themselves become slurs when used in political debate. I think that people use them when perceiving situations through their own blinders to imply negative things and illicit negative reaction toward their verbal opponent.
I agree that the government has grown too large, has gotten way too far out of hand, and that it's up to the American people to change things - either by breaking down the system that has plagued us for decades, or by reforming the system to provide for the majority, while allowing the individual to thrive.
I hardly consider referring to someone as a socialist name calling or a slur. Okay it's more hyperbole from me but it's an accurate description of those in favor of wealth distribution by the government. Even Howard Dean referred to the Health Care bill as wealth re-distribution, which is a socialist concept and one that believes that bill should have been passed believes in socialism and is therefore a socialist, and that's forgetting that the government doesn't even have the constitutional authority to pass such a law. So if someone is insulted by the label, I'm sorry, but it is what it is.
I'll ask this question for the tenth time.(with no answer again I bet).
What Company has this Country has taken over and now controls and distributes it's money?
... I dont hear you!!!!
The Federal Reserve is a company like Delta Airlines or Domino Sugar?
Give me a few companies like that...tic...tok...
Shhhh William. You'll ruin my carefully cultivated forum troll street cred.
President Barack Obama signed a
health-care reform bill that will extend coverage to 32
million uninsured Americans. "This is a big fucking deal,"
said Vice President Joe Biden. Republican lawmakers, not
one of whom voted to pass the law, were outraged. Corey
Poitier, a Florida GOP candidate for Congress, compared
Obama to a Little Rascal: "Listen up, Buckwheat. This is
not how it is done!" Poitier, who is black, defended the
remark. "People love Buckwheat," he said, then looked at
his palms to prove he wasn't racist. "This isn't a spray
tan. This is real." Sarah Palin urged her supporters to
act, Tweeting "Don't retreat, instead--RELOAD!" A propane
line was cut at the house of Representative Tom
Perriello's (D., Va.) brother after right-wing bloggers
mistakenly identified the home as that of the congressman;
a coffin was left in front of Representative Russ
Carnahan's (D., Mo.) house; a Minnesota congresswoman
received a letter containing an unwrapped condom and
reading, "Betty McCollum, you've been dry fucked by the
liberal party"; and an anonymous caller told the
anti-abortion Representative Bart Stupak (D., Mich.), "I
hope you bleed out your ass, got cancer and die, you
motherfucker." A Texas newborn with a heart defect was
denied health insurance because of his pre-existing
Ralph stop being so intolerant and nasty!
Sorry! But I didn't say I agreed with Harper's.
I got this in my email today. Sums up a lot of what's coming from the right:
Just over a week ago, Tea Party protestors hurled racial and homophobic slurs and spat at members of Congress.1 That was followed by a rash of vandalism and death threats targeting Democratic members of Congress.2
Republicans have done almost nothing to tamp down this dangerous atmosphere and have even egged the protesters on. And when the Republican National Committee was asked to endorse a bi-partisan “civility” statement that would send a message to the protesters, they refused.3
It's time to demand that Republican leaders stop turning a blind eye to violence and hate before it gets out of control and someone gets hurt. Please click below to add your voice, and please ask your friends and family to do the same:
http://act.colorofchange.org/go/126?id= … 1F&t=4
Since the passage of health care reform last week, at least 10 members of Congress have received threats and requested additional police presence.4 Windows and doors were smashed at several representatives' offices, and a gas line was cut at what vandals thought was the house of Congressman Tom Perriello.5 One office had to be evacuated when it received a threatening letter filled with an unidentified white powder.6
Meanwhile, some Republicans have tried to justify the vandalism or blame Democrats for inviting it on themselves,7,8 and others have escalated their use of violent rhetoric. Sarah Palin told her supporters "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!", and published a map with cross-hairs over the districts of some Democrats who voted for health care reform.9 RNC Chairman Michael Steele said "let's start getting Nancy [Pelosi] ready for the firing line this November."10
Last Saturday's protest and this week's past events are just the most recent example of the intolerance and hate coming from right-wing extremists this past year. At times it's been instigated by Republican leaders. When not, it's usually condoned and seen as part of a strategy to score politically. Either way, it's completely unacceptable and has to stop.
We're calling on RNC Chair Michael Steele, House Minority Leader John Boehner, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to publicly do two simple things:
1. Unequivocally condemn bigotry and hate among their supporters, and make clear that those who embrace it have no place in their party.
2. Make clear that they will not tolerate fear-mongering and coded appeals to racism from officials in the Republican party, at any level.
The Tea Party movement has been marked by racially inflammatory and violent outbursts since its inception a year ago.11 GOP leaders are trying to pass off last weekend's assaults on Congressmen Lewis, Cleaver, Clyburn and Frank as isolated incidents. But when so-called "isolated incidents" crop up again and again, a pattern starts to emerge. The examples are numerous
At rallies held to protest tax day last year, Tea Partiers carried signs that announced "Obama's Plan: White Slavery," "The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Oven," and "Guns Tomorrow!"12 The Republican National Committee had endorsed the rallies, and RNC Chairman Michael Steele encouraged Tea Partiers to send a "virtual tea bag" to President Obama and Democratic Congressional leadership.13 After reports of the fear-mongering signs surfaced, Steele did nothing to distance his party from the lunatic fringe. He has even gone so far as to say that if he didn't have his current position, he'd be "out there with the tea partiers."14 Some Republican governors even planned a "Tea Party 2.0" for the following month in an effort to build on the rallies' momentum.15
The Tea Party's venomous rhetoric picked up steam over the summer, when angry mobs flooded town hall meetings legislators had organized as sites for rational, civil debate on health care reform. After one meeting in Atlanta, a swastika was painted on the office of Congressman David Scott (D-GA), who had also received a flier addressed to "nigga David Scott."16 Some protesters showed up at town hall meetings carrying guns, including at least one man who was armed at an event where the President was speaking.17 Again, Republicans responded to these tactics with silence, doing nothing to denounce them.
Similarly, there was no public outcry from Republican leadership when Mark Williams, a leader of the Tea Party movement, was exposed for having described the President as "an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief" on his blog.18 Instead, members of the GOP continued to show up to and endorse Tea Party rallies. And as recently as Sunday -- the day that the historic health care bill passed the House -- Republican members of the House riled up the same Tea Party crowd that had earlier harassed their fellow members with hate and bigotry.
Despite all of this, Republican leaders have courted the Tea Party movement while methodically supporting, exacerbating and exploiting their fear and anger for cynical political ends.19
Words matter! Look at how that email is worded, it's designed to solicit a point of view and it's effective. I'm not saying that the right doesn't engage in the same tactics, they do, but one has to be able to look passed the rhetoric and glean the truth. You simply can't accept things as facts because someone in an email wrote it as though it were.
Bottom line is the left will believe what fits their ideology as will the right, and the left ideology is for big government wealth redistribution, socialism. So why do they get upset when I refer to them as socialists, when that is indeed what they are?
Yes it is designed to make people act.
But the underlying facts remain: tea party protesters have held racist and violent signs - examples of which I have provided here. The teabaggers shouted a racial epithet at black members of congress - evidence of which I provided here.
The leaders of the movement are engaged in violent rhetoric - evidence of which I have provided.
The republican party has not distanced themselves from this violent and racist rhetoric.
So, those are the facts, stripped of emotional language.
LOL and I'm a hypocrite?
YOu forgot to mention at a bullet - hit a window at Eric Cantor's office. It didn't have enough velocity to go THROUGH the window (it landed outside the window) and the direction (downward) led police to believe it was randomlay fired ito the air. (It may have been a VERY good bank shot off a passing cloud) But my not mentioning the broken window, which had nothing to do with violence against Canor, you totally biased the evidence. Damn factual lefty!
"Are Democrats The Latest Anti-Semite Hate Group Promoting Violence"
Is Poppa Blues The Latest Hysterical, Paranoid Right-Winger Promoting Discord on the Hubpages Forums
[Insert paragraph full of distortions, misrepresentations, and blatant denial of reality to bolster title worded as a question but meant as a conclusion.]
You are the perfect illustration of the left, accusing me of promoting discord when all I'm promoting is discussion. The only problem with my posts is you don't like them and you prefer I just shut up. Sorry, it's not going to happen.
LOL! You really don't get how the tone of your "question" doesn't promote discussion? And just because I point that out to you doesn't mean I want you to shut up. Keep talking, Poppa, but don't be surprised if people call you on your insincere efforts.
Insincere? How do you explain your knowledge of my motives? Do you really expect anyone to believe you know what's in my heart?
Anyway, if you read my posts would would learn the the premise I began with isn't something I believe but a sarcastic view of the left's logic that the Tea Party Protesters are all haters that promote violence. In other words the left is highlighting the extreme and painting the whole movement with a broad brush to marginalize and discredit the true believers in freedom.
Right, because anyone who supports Obama or votes democratic is just a socialist who hates freedom, as you've explained earlier in this thread.
The only thing I know of you is what you write here, and whether you believe it or not, the way you word your posts makes your intent crystal clear and does not "promote discussion," which is what you claim you want to do.
I understood your OP, and I met your sarcasm with more sarcasm. You shouldn't be surprised by that.
One quick read and the picture is clear, the liberal dems start trouble and then cry foul when they get a dose of their own medicine. They exagerate every little instance that they can eek out some exploitation from. The dems lack of morals and a sense of decency only make them less believable and trustworthy. The dems and liberals need to climb out of the filth and clean-up their act.
Hey Poppa just remember they're day is coming and it will be a hard fall. They better think twice before they resort to violence because they will lose badly and lose any gain they've made in the last 100yrs. You dems and liberals need to get back in line with the rest of us and show the compassion to your fellows citizens that you always scream about.
Just a thought.
# Are Democrats The Latest Anti-Semite Hate Group Promoting Violence.
No intention here!
President Obama said yesterday that he knows all of the tea-party people are not fringe lunatics. He said the majority of them are good Americans who have legitimate concerns.
Now where do you suppose he got THAT idea? Stalin? Lenin? Marx? Hitler?
NO--that is just the kind of man Obama is.
And I'm real glad he's our president right now.
Maybe the Republicans in office who are suppose to be grown-ups can follow the president's lead here....
How many times does he have to extend his hand before they take it?
Anyone ever heard of the coffee party movement?
Yes the Coffee party was started by Anna Parks a ex Obama employee. Need I say anything more? It's another attempt to organize against the majority of Americans and push a leftist socialist agenda. For some reason these people think it will be easier to swallow with a little coffee.
LOL. So you'd rather hang out with the guys who shout 'n*****" and carry racist and violent signs than sit down and have a conversation over a cup of coffee?
The coffee party has this on the front page of their website:
"As a member or supporter of the Coffee Party, I pledge to conduct myself in a way that is civil, honest, and respectful toward people with whom I disagree. I value people from different cultures, I value people with different ideas, and I value and cherish the democratic process."
What a bunch of leftist haters!
Mr. Wilson, you keep making things up. No one shouted the "n" word at anyone. Now please stop generalizing and lumping a whole group in with some fringe elements, is exactly like the discrimination you claim to detest.
Did you ever watch the video I posted yesterday? You can hear it at the beginning and at 1:35. So please stop calling me a liar.
Well if you have the video I suggest you send it to a reputable news organization because it seems none of them can find one.
Perhaps you got it from one of those OFA propaganda websites? Lot's of things can be done with digital editing. The clips I saw of the congressman walking up the stairs of the capital clearly showed people taping the exchange on their cell phones and capital security was right by his side, yet no one was arrested, there is no testimony by the witnesses that were there, the congressman himself has yet to go on camera and answer questions regarding the incident, no one has questioned the security guard that was right there, or the man that was doing the shouting. Don't you wonder why? No! You prefer to believe your left wing altered video from your propaganda site instead of using your brain. You are a sheep being lead by the lies of the liberal left. You just accept whatever you're told. That's fine, every movement needs their minions to march lock step with the crowd and salute their leader.
William, don't you know those are leftist "plants"? Probably funded by George Soros to make the Tea Party look bad. This discussion has already occurred several times. You obviously haven't been paying attention.
I'd like to get paid by George Soros to make the tea party look bad. Where do I get in line?
Open Society Fellowship
The Open Society Fellowship enables innovative professionals—including journalists, activists, academics, and practitioners—to work on projects that inspire meaningful public debate, shape public policy, and generate intellectual ferment within the Open Society Institute.
From http://www.soros.org/grants/application … 2&y=13
inspire meaningful public debate, shape public policy, and generate intellectual ferment within the Open Society Institute
This should work
I played the video but for some reason the sound quality wasn't good enough for me to hear it. However, let's suppose it happened, is it right for you to assume that all the people there are racist based on one incident? You don't even know how the word was used or in what context. That word is used affectionately among some blacks, could a black person in the crowd have shouted "Yes, Rep emanuel he's my nigga!"?
Fact is I don't know and you don't know. Nobody knows, but based on someone hearing the word you wish you ascribe racism to half the country! Hence my reason for this post. Using your logic then I can assume all the democrats to be jew haters because of the death threat on Cantore and his family.
Thank you POPPA< Gotta HUG you! MWA!!!
Except for the signs that I've also posted and which are all over the internet.
Every teaparty protester is not racist. But there are lots of racists in the tea party, as evinced by the signs:
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archi … arties.php
http://www.progressnowcolorado.org/page … st/al/CZxt
Yes a George Soros funded through shady channels grassroot movement supporting a strong centralized govt.
Turn off the Alex Jones for about a month, bra.
Just because I enjoy Alex's Documentaries does not mean I am a mindless drone.
I enjoy Michael Moore's documentaries as well.
Michael Moore is not perfect either.
Anyway, that link you posted doesn't show any link to George Soros. It just says that the founder was involved in supporting Obama.
How many Tea Party activists do you think were involved with the McCain campaign or the Republican party?
I'm afraid most people on the left don't realize exactly how evil Soros is!
The guy made most of his money shorting the dollar, it's in his interest to see America fail and promoting America's destruction is making him richer!
The most positive thing I got from the tea party racism vids was just how shocked and shaken the black democratic speakers looked as they left. They obviously aren't used to that kind of abuse. Things have moved on from the times that it was common place.
It seems there are deluded dems who honestly think they are pure and good and all others are evil, racist, violent, ignorant, etc. despite any and all evidence to the contrary.
I guess it helps them sleep at night. Well, that and all the pot.
You still haven't explained how I'm a hypocrite - you called me one yesterday, remember?
You demonstrated it yesterday and again today. I expect you will demonstrate it again tomorrow.
Ooh cryptic. Posting from work? Is that why you can't actually type a substantive answer with evidence?
Gosh, if only thead after thread and post after post hadn't already been written on this I might find a way to express myself!
Don't be 'cute.' We've been over this a million times.
The exercise of threats, violence, racism, sexism, bribery, theft, etc. when commited by liberals can only be isolated incidents (or shamelessly and dishonestly denied, apologized for, and spun over), but when anything of that sort is carried out by 'the impure' who have not embraced liberal politics it must be a sign of some dire historic trend that proves everything any liberal decides it should.
Don't waste my time again, you can read.
Wait. So where are the racist signs from the Obama supporters? Where are the cheers from mainstream media figures when supposedly left wing nutjobs threaten violence? Why do Glenn Beck and the Republican party get a free pass? I like how you called me, specifically, a hypocrite but you haven't pointed to anything that I specifically did. It's just "liberals" who are hypocrites, right?
Well, it pisses me off that we have to BE HERE again!
This is what I will remember about the tea-parties....nigger/faggot/baby-killer.
Nice legacy. And completely ruined anything valid you may have to say. IMO
Good going money-bags media-machine. You got rich but at what expense?
Until they decide to join the human race....IMO
Will you boycott CNN? ABC? NBC? CBS? MSNBC? The New York Times? Hollywoood? Those folks make a lot of money off political partisanship and the manipulation of people like you.
Or is this just more hypocrisy?
That's what you will remember? Then I guess you have a very selective memory.
Not sure why anybody wastes their time arguing with these zealots, they are going to be defeated in November and will never understand why.
You talking about me or Poppa and Sab?
Don't you have an unnamed source to pass off as fact?
LOL still stuck on that? Why don't you go do a little research for yourself? I posted some things in this thread to get you started. Y'know, videos of people shouting "n####!" at a black congressperson, pictures of racist and violent signs, etc....
O wait, I guess it's all a communist conspiracy to make the gun toting Hutaree militia teabaggers look bad hmm?
What's the matter? Can't handle the rage against YOU?
I told you already...you are not the only ones who are angry.
Been angry for a lot longer too.
An unnamed source has told CNN that Barack Obama is really a 12 year old suffering from dementia, film at 11!
Awesome! The truth is finally coming out.
I think they got his age wrong though.....
But the rest certainly rings true.
The age is correct it was confirmed by an unnamed source!
Okay. That should be plenty of proof for CNN!
Or Rachel Madwoman...er Maddow. haha
An unnamed source has confirmed that Rachel Maddow is actually bigfoot shaved down and taught to speak.
An unnamed source has confirmed to CNN that all of the Tea party members are zombies wanting to eat your brain.
"An unnamed source has told CNN that Barack Obama is really a 12 year old suffering from dementia, film at 11!"
This would have been labeled anti-American traitorous speech had you used it against Bush.
What gives you the right to say it now?
You have no respect for this president. Why is it suddenly "Patriotic" to be this way?
"You have no respect for this president."
You finally got something right!
So if you're against the president you must be against the troops Padrino.
That means you're for the terrorists!
You know there's a legal term for those who give aid and comfort to the enemy.
Why? Wasn't it patriotic when the left spoke out against Bush, calling for his death and calling him a nazi, hanging him in effigy! All that was fine, free speech and all that's the American way, suddenly...not so much! The hypocritical left!
But it was the same people on the right who were calling us traitors for protesting who are now protesting. If I'm a traitor for protesting and disagreeing with the president, then you are too.
Or else, I am not a traitor and you aren't either.
Which is it?
And if I'm not a traitor for protesting Bush, why do you align yourself with those who called me one? Beck, Limbaugh, Savage, and many others?
"This would have been labeled anti-American traitorous speech had you used it against Bush."
Talk about selective memory...
Selective memory is at the heart of earnest hypocrisy
Good lord! A pasty white guy, dressed like a milk-man in the fifties, with male pattern baldness and a reedy goatee is representative of a Real American?
So Real Americans have to look like vampire geeks?
Being a pasty white guy myself, but with the good sense NOT to grow a reedy goatee, wear a white suit, or strut my male pattern baldness...NO.
Real Americans don't "have to" look like anything. Try sticking to the point - or is that too difficult for you. I'll try posting only the picture next time, since the words seemed to have been beyond your ability to grasp the point
You are missing my point.
When Democrats were protesting Bush, we were called America hating traitors. By you.
So, are YOU now an America hating traitor?
I didn't call anyone an American hating traitor. Though I would question why you want to give rights to foreigners captured on the battlefield in the fight for freedom and at the same time want to take my freedom away.
I'm not so concerned about the rights of the terrorists as I am about the slippery slope. If the administration get get wiretaps without a warrant, supposedly to spy on "terrorists", what is there to stop them from getting a wiretap on me because I am a political opponent?
Many antiwar groups were infiltrated and spied on by the FBI. There have to be checks on the power of the government - don't you agree? Defining someone as an enemy combatant is convenient when they look different and speak a different language - what about when you start defining American citizens as such?
Jose Padilla, an American citizen, was imprisoned for years without charges or access to a lawyer. Regardless of his guilt or innocence, all American citizens have a right to fair treatment and trial. Otherwise, what's to stop Bush, or Obama, from rounding up all his political enemies?
Requiring you to buy health insurance is a far cry from wiretapping your phone or putting you in prison.
"Many antiwar groups were infiltrated and spied on by the FBI."
The KKK was infiltrated as well, where is your outrage for that?
LOL and you are outraged that they were?
I went to a few KKK rallies to protest them a few years ago.
They are not peaceful or nonviolent. Quite the contrary. They called for violence in their speeches. I was threatened with death and they attempted to follow me home.
No, I'm not outraged that law enforcement watches them closely. But I guess you are?
Really? Is it? The government will now be collecting YOUR medical data. The IRS will now be monitoring whether or not you have insurance. The government under the Patriot act which your buddy Obama voted for, extended, and expanded already can monitor all of your data transmissions. The government owns banks, is in charge of all school loans, and owns GM. Soon it will be the overseer of all the financial transactions, it will control the pay of CEO's at banks and insurance companies and brokerages. It will tell us what to eat, it will monitor our energy usage, on and on! Now read the constitution and see the "limited" powers granted to it and tell me again how we don't have to worry under Obama!
"I'm not so concerned about the rights of the terrorists as I am about the slippery slope. "
But when the 'slippery slope' argument is referred to in regards to obama's attempts to turn the country sharply leftward toward socialism it is discredited.
"Requiring you to buy health insurance is a far cry from wiretapping your phone or putting you in prison."
Yeah, wiretapping and imprisonment are generally reserved for criminals, whereas the unconstitutional requirement of private citizens to purchase something will be applied to every citizen.
A far cry...
"There have to be checks on the power of the government - don't you agree? "
Like checks on the unlimited interpretation of the Commerce Clause - don't you agree?
"You know there's a legal term for those who give aid and comfort to the enemy."
Yes, they call him Mr President now.
These forums will be less entertaining when TK gets a job.
I don't see how those are in any way comparable Padrino...
I am only encouraged that the government has infiltrated and gone after the KKK, AB, and other such groups....I don't understand why anyone, except their supporters, would be outraged....
They deserve this treatment..
Of course.....I have no credibilty because, unlike you, I believe violent hate groups should be monitored......
Hardly...find the words I have written that demonstrate this....
You don't determine what credible is....maybe for yourself, but fortunately others make their own decisions..
I'll let you defend the KKK and Aryan Brotherhood.....in the meantime I will speak out and work against them....
What side are you on?
You don't want to know what these guys are up to Padrino, or who they are?
I do. And I think that our nation has a right/duty to know....
You have 0 credibility because you are for BOTH infiltrating and not infiltrating a particular group. You can't have it both ways, I don't expect you to understand that because you are a zealot for your cause.
Infiltrating and spying on political groups that do not profess violence or use violent methods is quite different from spying on a domestic terrorist organization like the KKK.
It's like the difference between infiltrating a recreational motorcycle club and the Hell's Angels.
And how would you know unless you infiltrated those groups?
You just don't make any sense.
So are you calling for more the government to have more power? Maybe they should put a wiretap on your phone, just to be sure you're not up to something....
You jump from one ridiculous premise to the next, critical thinking skills can be your friend if you let it.
LOL - you're the one who said the government needed to spy on and infiltrate groups that aren't committing crimes, just to be sure they aren't up to something. If that's logical, then they need to wiretap everyone don't they?
I never said any such thing, could you point to where I said that or are you just going to continue this and hope whoever reads it believes you?
The latter I'm guessing given your track record for debate!
That's a question not a statement, that's why there is a question mark!
Wow, that one escaped you huh?
Ok then, here's a question: How are we to know whether you are committing crimes unless we spy on you?
(that's a question not a statement).
Now you're getting it, the answer of course is to infiltrate a particular group! But, you cannot be selective in deciding which group because of your particular bias!
Make any sense?
Wait, what? You are saying that we can't infiltrate political groups based on our own political bias - which I agree with. Thus, it would be wrong to infiltrate and spy on the local college Republicans or the local libertarian party - just as it would be wrong to infiltrate and spy on the local Quaker meeting because they are against the war.
What does that have to do with the KKK, which is a domestic terrorist organization with a history of violence?
Which memo was this? Did you give a special briefing of some kind?
What are they doing right now? Tell me....you evidently know...
I think I can find alot of them in the Tea Party camp....while I definitely know that they will not be in support of the president in any way.....
I wonder who this guy is......and who's political campaigns he'll be supporting....
Would he and the KKK be voting the same way?
He seems less interested in raising the status of others, and more concerned with becoming something that he knows to exist very well......selective treatment of people based on race....the "niggar" class was an American creation after all, and not a "naturally occuring" grouping of people...
Are you Sab in another form?
You are clearly incapable of seeing that you can't have selective enforcement of laws, your idea is to infiltrate one group but not another because they happen to hold your view. You are the epitome of a hypocrite!
And no I'm not Sab/TK/Tex or any other person that that you may think can be made to look bad!
"....while I definitely know that they will not be in support of the president in any way....."
No, you do not know that.
"Would he and the KKK be voting the same way?"
You obviously can't know that from that photo. And what the heck is the obsession with the kkk with you anyway? From reading your posts you'd think they were hanging out on every street corner. More shoehorning of a pet topic?
I guess you're trying to produce that statement? Without an unnamed source you seem to be lost.
Padrino....are you trying to say that selective enforcement of law is not practiced in the United States?
Cite your sources please....don't end up epitomizing that thing you claim to call you against....
And then you must also be stating that the use of unofficial codes and standards enforcing selective treatment of people in the United States isn't real.....
Cite your sources please........
With every post you leave, I see a pattern emerging that is much like Sab/TK.....how many different "faces" do you have?
What do you think William, is this a possibility in your opinion?
Cite your sources.......
Live up to your own hype....
or rather, show yourself to be the real hypocrite...
Thank your Padrino/Sab/Tk for your ongoing ridiculousness....
I will say this, how does saying that using selective enforcement of laws being advocated by you mean I have to provide proof that selective enforcement of laws is not occurring?
Its a little weird that you would ask me to disprove what I said was occurring.
It figures that, when cornered to live up to his own expectations, that someone with no integrity would run away...
I'm off to work to work with youth that Padrino's/Tk's/Sab's philosophies would forget...turning a blind shoulder to his (a different way to view the trinity I suppose) own contribution to this situation...
Maybe you are not Sab/TK Padrino....but I am watching closely...
"but I am watching closely..."
Not close enough apparently!
"I'm off to work to work with youth that Sab's philosophies would forget..."
That is offensive, false, self-righteous BS and I'll thank you to keep such ridiculous assumptions to yourself young man.
The religious right-wing kooks are part of your team.
The Oklahome bombers in Clintons term were on your team.
The wackjob who flew a plane into an IRS building last month - YOUR TEAM, again.
The wingnut who was shot to death at the Pentagon last month in another attack - from guys on YOUR TEAM....
There's a pattern here, and you have to go WAY back in history to find anything like it on the left, and where you do, you won't find any sympathy for violence from me... But you are defending these people indirectly and trying desparately to paint those of us on the left as being like these fruitcakes.
We are looking for a united front from Sarah Palin right down to the rank-and-file republican to renounce violence and embrace democracy... Why is that so hard?
If I am committing acts, or connected to a group that has committed acts of criminality, like the KKK, government supervision is something that I believe (I am hoping at least) we can all agree upon...
Am I wrong here?
Looking at the "investigating" that led up to the tragedy and Kent State University.....were government actions "infiltrating" and "battling" these student protesters justified?
I don't think so....
The government used bullets...with ordered, controlled shots to put down university students.......but where is the same treatment for the Klan?
Be back later...off to work.
"If I am committing acts, or connected to a group that has committed acts of criminality, like the KKK, government supervision is something that I believe (I am hoping at least) we can all agree upon..."
Do you mean groups like the Black Panthers or the weathermen? You don't seem to grasp that their a leftist groups that advocate violence. In your and Williams mind only Right wing groups are violent, history doesn't agree!
H Y P O C R I T I C A L
Anything else you would like to debate?
So it's a go then? Any one who says something disrespecting the president is an America hating traitor?
Guess what goes around comes around....good.
And if ever a republican wins a seat, or an election, there is no obligation to do anything but obstruct them in anything they try to do?
Thanx for the clarification, now go stand in front of a soldier why don't ya?
Oh, and if any of your kid's die and you want to know why, like Mrs. Sheehan, just get the f outta here, you publicity seeking Chavez loving imbecile!
"Do onto others as you would have them do onto you".....no problemo.
You switch to Olbermann!
Your Fox guys all espouse the theory I've been talking about....
Until now that is.
So, it goes like this: If you like Republicans, you're a true American.
If you speak out against Republicans, you're an America hating traitor.
If you like Democrats, you're a socialist loving Marxist, and a fascist Hitlerite too...all at the same time!
If you speak out against Democrats, you're only doing your patriotic civic duty.
The world according to right-wing nuts.
To their dying DAY, they will never admit they are wrong...about ANYTHING!
How is it over there in La La Land?
Well, that's not exactly correct! I think Grover Cleveland, a democrat, was a great President, far greater than FDR. He knew the constitution and the intent of the founders and he respected his oath of office to uphold the constitution. I hated Nixon, and I wasn't a big Bush fan, I never voted for him, and I'm NOT a republican.
What I am for is freedom, less government, constitutional government, fiscally responsible government, that serves the function it was created for to protect individual liberty, to be a counter balance to the supreme power of the states, and to promote prosperity, and personal responsibility.
Why do you on the left view these ideas as bad or evil? Why are you against them?
"You switch to Olbermann!"
" If you like Republicans, you're a true American.
If you speak out against Republicans, you're an America hating traitor"
If that's what you think you need to reevaluate.
"Because you want to force women to have a baby by order of the state."
Who ever said that?
"Because you don't like pot, but love tobacco."
Who said that? In any case, one of those is illegal.
"Because you force Stern out, but allow Limbaugh total domination."
That's nonsense no matter how many times you repeat it.
"Because you allow business free reign with no accountability..."
That has never been the case. Nice emoting though...
"Becaue you want gun-toting angry people to threaten the president"
Who ever said that?!
Listen carefully: DECAF
Because you want to force women to have a baby by order of the state.
Because you are against two human beings who love each other having the benefit of marriage...because they are gay.
Because you don't like pot, but love tobacco.
Because you force Stern out, but allow Limbaugh total domination.
Because you allow business free reign with no accountability...calling it free-market.
Becaue you want gun-toting angry people to threaten the president, while arresting someone for wearing a t-shirt.
Because you don't practice what you preach.
From you Poppa Blues. This is what you have been calling for.
Gosh you right wingers are good at fooling yourselves. Guess that is why the majority voted you out in the last election. Having watched the government grow and grow...
Still - at least some good has come out of it. I understand there will soon be free health care for poor people. That has got to be a good thing.
It seems like you support the people who use those ideas to get votes/listeners/attention.
Here's two things to think about:
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggl … -wing.aspx
and look at this image:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/v … ght-world/
You really need to expand your reading horizons! The SPLC is itself a hate group! Newsweek is clearly a leftist periodical that presents only one side.
You want radicals that spew hate, you need not go passed the Obama administration, with guys like Bill Ayers, and Jeff Jones, unrepentant weather underground members accused of bombings, and the Reverend Wright and others...Do you really want to go there?
"Some have contended that -- through incidents like Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst where he called the president a liar during a joint session of Congress, and the one where members of our party cheered hecklers in the public gallery during last week's debate, and that thing where Rep. Randy Neugebauer yelled 'baby killer!' and that comment by Rep. John Boehner that Rep. Steve Driehaus 'may be a dead man' because of his vote -- we have contributed to a coarsening of political discourse that made this tragedy (which we strongly condemn) entirely predictable.
"Some have gone so far as to suggest that the Tea Party patriots who have led the charge against the socialistic/communistic/tyrannical/satanic health care bill are themselves a graver threat to the nation than the legislation they oppose.
"By attempting to focus the nation's attention on all these isolated incidents, left-wing Democrats and their allies in the media seek to divert us from what should be the real story here. Namely, the fact that we in the Republican Party are working nonstop to repeal this monstrous/disgusting/demonic/diabolical bill. We are also inventing a time machine.
"As this important work goes on, we are proud to have the able assistance of the patriotic Americans in the Tea Party movement. Some have suggested that the Republican Party, the party of Reagan and Lincoln, should be ashamed of its close affiliation with these patriots. We reject that idea.
"Indeed, if our critics know nothing else about us after this long and rancorous debate, they should know this: We have no shame."
LEONARD PITTS JR
Because you want to force women to have a baby by order of the state.
This just isn't true, abortion is legal in most states as far as I know though there is and should be a time limit. Do you really want to be able to abort a child right up until the time the mother is in labor?
By the way, this is such a hypocritical argument because apparently you have no problem forcing people to buy insurance. What about their "right to choose"?
Because you are against two human beings who love each other having the benefit of marriage...because they are gay.
Again, that's not true. I don't care what anyone else does with their life as long as they don't interfere in mine.
Because you don't like pot, but love tobacco.
Not true! I'm an ex smoker of both tobacco and pot. I'm actually for legalization of ALL drugs. I believe people should have a right to destroy themselves if that's their wish, as long as they don't do it on my lawn.
Because you force Stern out, but allow Limbaugh total domination.
I have NO idea what this is about! Who is forcing Stern out? This is probably more about business than about the right or left. Do you think the Government should FORCE stations to carry Stern even if he has an audience so small it's not profitable? Should then anyone that wants a radio program be allowed to have one? Can I have one?
Because you allow business free reign with no accountability...calling it free-market.
Again this just isn't true. Insurance for example is the most regulated business in the country. I believe over regulation is the reason we are losing our manufacturing base. That and regulations that keep unions in the workplace. Business are leaving in droves to escape the costs associated with these issues.
Because you want gun-toting angry people to threaten the president, while arresting someone for wearing a t-shirt.
Now you're just ranting! I don't want anyone to threaten the president, and I sure could care less what tee shirt you wear or even if you want to walk around naked! Feel free!
I'll agree with you there! Politicians have no shame, and that's important to remember, right or left, for them it's all about power and control, which is why I laugh at those on the left that actually believe MORE government is a good idea!
"Government is FORCE" - George Washington
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