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Can we save the "Constitution " from the government

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    woolman60posted 7 years ago

    Do you think we need to save our Constitution from our Government and radical political party's

    1. cjhunsinger profile image72
      cjhunsingerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Sadly, America has died. I do not think that there is sufficient integrity or character left within the country to fight the entrenchment of Marxist or socialistic thought that has encased itself in every facet of our society.Our government has betrayed the American people and has ovethrown the Constitution. We no longer have a two party system, as both parties promote a socialistic agenda; one just stronger then the other. The flag needs to be lowered and safely stored. The hypocrisy needs to end. We are the last Americans. Perhaps, that should be acknowledged and perhaps, it should be noted that here is where Freedom lived and here is where Freedom died.

      1. Sab Oh profile image57
        Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        "Sadly, America has died. I do not think that there is sufficient integrity or character left within the country"


        If you really think so, the exit is thataway. Don't forget to write.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely! The constitution has been under attack for a long, long time by both parties! FDR was the first to incorporate socialism into America, and now Obama threatens to make a giant leap in that direction. If we don't put government back into the constitutional bottle we will lose something that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world, the protection of individual freedom FROM the majority!

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I think you have it wrong. I think the problem is that the Majority is controled by the powerful-wealthy Minority. The Majority of United States citizens are now powerless, poor, used-to-be middle class.

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          Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Well we aren't powerless at all! Considering that 2/3 of the nations economy is driven by consumers which is largely the middle class, I'd say we have quite a bit of power. Granted it's not organized and it's spilt by ideology, but it is power none the less, kinetic energy with the potential to create huge change in society. Remember the revolutionaries? They were nothing but a bunch of farmers standing up to the the greatest military power in the world at the time, and we won! Why? Because we were united on the side of what is right and good.

          That power is awakening and you see it in the Tea Party Patriots. Those that discount us, and disparage us, don't understand what's happening.

          1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
            Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            To buy that which we HAVE to buy? We have no choice but to buy housing, we have no choice but to buy food.

            The luxury goods we do or don't buy are not swaying the rich and powerful. There is no Purchasing power in the hands of the middle class. We have to get our necessities  from somewhere... The rich and powerful are the ones that have what we MUST buy. That means they have the powerr of life and death over us, and we are powerless.

            If the middle class was self-sufficient then I would agree with you, but we aren't.
            In order to be able to buy anything at all we have to have a job, that makes 'Employers' the bottom line. The Huge International Corporations control us all through employment. We are their slaves, the only thing we get to choose is which owner to work for.

            {the soul stirring patriotism isn't lost on me, it just seems to me that it is no longer anything more than just that...a stirring memory. A memory of what other people did a long time ago, that we use to make ourselves feel better about ourselves.}

            1. Sab Oh profile image57
              Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              That is nonsense, and the misuse of the word "slavery" in some superficial anti-capitalist rant is deeply offensive.

              1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry you feel that way. Sometimes, the truth hurts, and what I stated is the truth.

                1. Sab Oh profile image57
                  Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  NO, you stated an opinion. A banal opinion which included an offensive misuse of a word that actually means something.

                  1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                    Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    AGAIN, sorry you feel that way.

                    But what I stated is true.

                    The game of monoploy, if started with one player already owning the properties, becomes a forgone conclusion as to who will win.
                    The system we have today is just like that, we are forced to play (live) and the rules are set up without our control over them or influence in them. The only way to win is to be born, the one who owns the properties, or steal the properties from the one born with them. But the laws are set up to prevent that, or the Government will come in with a 'Bail-out' for the owners if they are at risk of actually losing even after they are born with all the advantages.

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              Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              We aren't self sufficient because government imposes a claim to our property through the use of property taxes and through regulation. If not for the evil of government, I would own my lad forever and be able to grow what I need to eat, assuming I have access to adequate water. Regardless even if the rich didn't exist there would still be commerce. There would still be trade even if money didn't exist. If not for taxes and regulations we could live in a hole in the ground, and we would probably still trade labor for favor or treasure in the form of something we need in order to produce what we need to live.
              I don't view employment as slavery at all, I view it as trade, and even though I don't like my job it provides me with what I need to survive, cash and certain benefits like health care. I don't know about you, but I prefer modern life and housing to living in a hole in the ground and toiling in the dirt and I certainly don't begrudge the rich for being successful even if they profit off my labor because I too benefit.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes.

      We need to stop listening to those dummies in the White House and other places who cannot even properly interpret a simply-written document,  and stop them from making insane additions to it.

    4. Daniel Carter profile image90
      Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      There are lots of radical religions who believe they are the ones to save the country from the death of the Constitution. They will continue to make America miserable along with the government itself.

      I agree with Ohma. Save yourself. Teach your family how to save themselves. Stop blaming everyone else for your lack of willingness to take responsibility for your own life. Be a good neighbor and stop worrying about what's legal and start living by what's good and ethical. It's partly because of legal maneuvering and justification that we are where we are.

      Just start doing more good.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Oh come on Daniel, Ignore them, maybe they will go away?

        1. Daniel Carter profile image90
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Perhaps if we were more preoccupied with our own lives and what it means to live a good one, we could stop a lot of the blame and finger-pointing, which really is a form of victim thinking. And being a victim is an excuse to do nothing because everyone else is doing what's bad or wrong.

  2. Ohma profile image75
    Ohmaposted 7 years ago

    We need to save ourselves from our government.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Hear!Hear!smile

    2. TheGlassSpider profile image74
      TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How? In complete and utter seriousness. Any ideas?

      1. DevLin profile image61
        DevLinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I suggest organizing, and becoming pains to the extremist politicians, then voting for true moderates who will actually vote the way the people want.

        Then again, people would actually have to care enough to act. Not just complain.

        1. TheGlassSpider profile image74
          TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I hope that an intelligent person like yourself wouldn't be making groundless assumptions about the actions of the person to whom you responded.

          It so happens that previous efforts to do just what you've suggested have failed miserably (because the system is corrupt-not for lack of action), despite there being excellent organization and many dedicated people. I don't think I like very much what you have implied, sir.

          1. Padrino profile image57
            Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            I think he is right, Americans seem to hate your Congressperson or Senator but love their own. It's a cycle that's continued every 2,4, and 6 years, it won't get any better until the Politicians in charge see their cohorts run out of office and know they could be next.

          2. DevLin profile image61
            DevLinposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, got called to work. I never speak generally, if making assumptions of anyone in particular. This, I'm refering to under 40% voter turn out. A generalization, not you in particular.

    3. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Isn't that sad? True, but so sad....   sad

  3. Glenn S. profile image57
    Glenn S.posted 7 years ago

    One politician at a time

  4. Shadesbreath profile image86
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    I think we may have gotten to the point in repeating history where the powerful are too entrenched to be dislodged.  We have to wait out the period of time that it takes for the middle class to be destroyed, which takes awhile because the rich aren't stupid, just greedy, and the poor keep believing that if wealth is redistributed they will suddenly become smart, educated and motivated.  Then, finally, the revolt happens (as always), the nation colapses, wealth is redistributed, and the clever, the inovative and the motivated once again shine for awhile, build great stuff, die, and then leave the wealth to a second generation that begins to ruin it, slowly, mitigated only by chance and good parenting from the clever originators and by time and the same lethargy that lets it all happen over and over, century after century for the entire span of human history on every continent, always.

    smile

    1. TheGlassSpider profile image74
      TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      *completely deflates* Oh well. Crap.

      1. Shadesbreath profile image86
        Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        Hey, I didn't write the history.  I just read a bunch of it.

        1. TheGlassSpider profile image74
          TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, I know. That doesn't make it any less...terrible? Inevitable...depressing. ? *sigh*

  5. Niteriter profile image78
    Niteriterposted 7 years ago

    Anti-government thinkers don't seem to be much bothered about having their lives controlled by large corporations. Who controls the pricing of auto fuels, food, housing, etc.? Free markets don't seem do be doing much to help the average citizen these past few decades.

    1. Shadesbreath profile image86
      Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Free thinkers recognize that being controlled by anyone is a problem.

      1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
        Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        and yet is unavoidable. (there has to be 'someone in charge')

        http://www.hulu.com/watch/139115/animal-farm

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      Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know about you, but corporations don't control me. They don't make me buy anything.
      Trust me, they don't "control" prices either, if they did, none of them would ever lose money or go bankrupt. Remember GM?

  6. Niteriter profile image78
    Niteriterposted 7 years ago

    Most of the rhetoric I see around issues like this one don't leave a lot of room for free or rational thought. Most folks have taken an idealogical position of some kind and are very busy defending it. We need calm, rational discussion to solve our societal problems.

    1. Shadesbreath profile image86
      Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Let me know how that works out this time.  I only have history to suggest how it's going to go.

    2. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I agree, we need an Evolution not a Revolution.

  7. Niteriter profile image78
    Niteriterposted 7 years ago

    @ Shadesbreath: What does history suggest to you, friend? And what is it you'd like to know "...how that works out this time"?

  8. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 7 years ago

    I live in Massachusetts and have discovered that The Constitution is something that we have "on paper" only.  (Ironic, isn't it?   hmm )  (with Massachusetts' former role in the nation's principles..)

    1. Sab Oh profile image57
      Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, the Bay State is quite advanced in the promotion of bad ideas. There are signs that the absurdity may be reaching a breaking point though...

      1. Lisa HW profile image82
        Lisa HWposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I know I've certainly pretty much reached my breaking point.   hmm  (and so have a lot of others I know)  The combination of  "stupid", "corrupt" and "oppressive" is pretty a "great" combination.

  9. Padrino profile image57
    Padrinoposted 7 years ago

    Most Americans work for small businesses not large Corporations, small businesses can be described in many ways but I think most are 500 employees or less.

    But feel free to disagree.

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      and those small businesses are run into the ground, or bought out if they become a danger to the big corporations. Most of the small businesses are actually owned by the big corporations, they call it a business loan.

      1. Sab Oh profile image57
        Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Then why are there so many of them?

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The Royals don't want the Peasants to KNOW they are Peasants, then they get all self-righteous and bent out of shape.

          So they let them pretend that they actully own something. If you are paying for it all your life, you don't own it, you're renting it.

          1. Padrino profile image57
            Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            That's true but you are renting it from intrusive government not large corporations!

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              It isn't the Government....we all know that the people that pay the politicians are the people that own the politicians, the Huge Corporations are the ones pulling the strings of the puppet politicians.

              Without 'support' from MAJOR FINANCIAL contributions, that originate in Huge Corprate board rooms, no one gets elected in this country.

              Until a candidate is approved by Big Business, they will not receive the necessary funds to run for office. Call the gathering of the necessary funds the true election, because that is what it really is. Anyone that doesn't get the 'finacial vote' first can't run for office.

              Which means we get to choose any candidate we want... well after the rich and powerful companies have decided who they will allow to run for office and compete for our secondary votes.

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                Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Well it's true corporate money, and money in general is the great motivator of politicians, that's why I believe we need term limits. But people too have lobbies with money that protect our interests. There are many such organizations like NTU, or Downsizedc.org, or even (gulp) OFA (God forgive me for promoting them)!

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  Lobbies? they are the paid mouthpieces of the rich and powerful, they are used against other rich and powerful competitors. They don't represent the poor or the failing middle class.

              2. Padrino profile image57
                Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                A recent Supreme Court ruling has said that you can collect 1000 people like you and pool your money to effect change.

                But you won't do it, will you?

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  What money?

                  Pooling money, how does that change anything? Unless the money you pool is more than the wealth that Big Business can amass...

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                    Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    You can buy your own influence! smile

                  2. Padrino profile image57
                    Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    How does it do anything for large corporations? Pool your money and create a candidate that you want, until then don't bitch, whining never solved anything!

              3. Sab Oh profile image57
                Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                "come on....we all know"


                Always signals the opening of a compelling argument... roll

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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                  1. Sab Oh profile image57
                    Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Valid counterpoint?! A valid counterpoint to "come on...we all know..."?

                    Ok, how about 'nu-uh!' That's about the same level of discourse.

          2. Sab Oh profile image57
            Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            "The Royals don't want the Peasants to KNOW they are Peasants, then they get all self-righteous and bent out of shape.

            So they let them pretend that they actully own something. If you are paying for it all your life, you don't own it, you're renting it."


            Pointless, silly hyperbole doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

      2. Padrino profile image57
        Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        No, I don't think that's true at all. Most small businesses are profitable because they provide the tools and implements to larger companies that subcontract that work out. Do the larger corporations make a profit on the smaller businesses labor? Yes! But the small business make a profit off the labor of their employees, its called capitalism and it has proven to be very effective.

        1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
          Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Which is exactly what you are suppose to believe.

          Follow the rules, do what your told when your told, and life is good. Work hard pay your owners...err...creditors what you owe them and the system works. Except when the owners/creditors get to be too greedy and cause the destruction of the middle class.

          The National Deficit is Proof that our society is not functioning properly, it is not working. Hiding your head in the sand pretending it will all just go away isn't solving anything.

          1. Padrino profile image57
            Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Wow! The National debt is not the fault of anyone but politicians who increase it. I have no idea what your life is like but mine is great and its all mine. Good luck with your hatred for the only system that has proven to be effective.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              proven to be effective?

              The United States is in it's infancy, how long has our country been around?

              2000 years? 3000?

              there are countries out there that have been around that long. They aren't out there fighting everyone else's fight for them. Amassing a debt that is riduculious. No the smart ones stand back and let other countries do the fighting and dying for them.

              1. Padrino profile image57
                Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Maybe you have noticed that the US is the only SUPERPOWER? Yes, capitalism has been very effective for the US in a short 236 years!

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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                  1. Padrino profile image57
                    Padrinoposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    As long as an intrusive government is in control that is a distinct possibility, put the people back in charge and they will act in the best interest of the Country!

              2. Sab Oh profile image57
                Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                "2000 years? 3000?

                there are countries out there that have been around that long"


                Not really.

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

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                  1. Sab Oh profile image57
                    Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    The Greece of today is nothing like the Greece of even as recent as 1821. There wasn't really a country named "Greece" until then.



                    Next?




                    Well look at that. The reference to Greece has been deleted. That's interesting.

                2. Sab Oh profile image57
                  Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  If you think about it, the US is really one of the oldest countries in the world today.

          2. Daniel Carter profile image90
            Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Piss off the super rich by living independently. Bring business back to the neighborhood, get rid of super box chains and money machines and get back to smaller, more personable companies who are based on ethics, not just legal maneuvers. It will also eventually break down big government. It starts on a personal basis, and grows through neighborhoods and communities.

            I don't know, though, that we would voluntarily work this way. It may actually take a major catastrophe, melt down, or even a natural disaster to wipe the slate clean to get this to happen. And I surely don't promote that idea. It sounds like way too much work to me. I'd rather bring business back to the neighborhood than face such things.

            1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
              Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I think the biggest hurdle to returning to that way of life is the fact that the Big corporations can do it cheaper than the smaller ones (i.e. Wal-Mart), which means lower prices to the consumer, which is what made the big corporation a big corporation in the first place.

              The problem that will be facing these big corporations is the fact that their way of business is also killing the consumer. The selling at lower prices means lower wages or no wages (i.e. shipping the high paying middle class factory jobs to Mexico). These big business policies cause a downward spiral until the consumer can't consume. That eventually means that the Big businesses (and small businesses) can't sell, and therefore go out of business, or end up selling to the new consumers in the new country (Mexico).

              The cycle we are in is that the 'Owners' keep hording more and more, eventually there won't be anything that they haven't horded or shipped to foreign countries. When we get to that point, people will be unable to feed their children and then bad things will start happening (again Mexico comes to mind).

              1. Sab Oh profile image57
                Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Oh brother... roll

              2. Daniel Carter profile image90
                Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                Good point, but perhaps some of this could be overcome with co-ops or some form of grouping that allows buying power and certain protections, but still insures independence of small business. It seemed like a good theory, anyway.

                lol

                1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
                  Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm sure you have heard of mutual funds. That is where the pooling resources concept got started. It won't and didn't redistribute the wealth.

                  So long as 'they' have the power to control Government to the point of 'Bail-Outs', the middle class has no chance.

  10. tobey100 profile image60
    tobey100posted 7 years ago

    I'd say we better find some means of doing so.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 7 years ago

    The national debt is proof that our government is fiscally irresponsible, it's got nothing to do with our "corporate masters".

    1. Mikel G Roberts profile image88
      Mikel G Robertsposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      sure it does, it weakens the Government, and strengthens the 'International' Corporate system.

      Welcome to the United Corporations of America.

      1. Sab Oh profile image57
        Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Empty emoting and hyperbole.


        What is this, drama class?

  12. Harvey Stelman profile image59
    Harvey Stelmanposted 7 years ago

    Wait until November turns into January, Obama will look like a sobbing pup.

  13. Doug Hughes profile image61
    Doug Hughesposted 7 years ago

    Mike G said -

    "The game of monoploy, if started with one player already owning the properties, becomes a forgone conclusion as to who will win. The system we have today is just like that, we are forced to play (live) and the rules are set up without our control over them or influence in them."

    Here are the facts about American 'Monopoly'.

    "The wealthiest 1 percent of families owns roughly 34.3%  of the nation's net worth, the top 10% of families owns over 71%, and the bottom 40% of the population owns way less than 1%. "

    Mike has it exactly right. The game is rigged. The best way to -'unrig' the game - a steep inheritance tax on the top 30%. Open up the game for innovation and new blood based on performance not connections. Eliminate the national debt and get to a balanced budget. The numbers work - if we have the gumption to do it.

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    cypha's worldposted 7 years ago

    I wish people would truly understand that we never had any freedom. This country was built on the backs of the poor and middle class and the rich and wealthy are the ones that benefits from the sweat and tears of the poor and middle class. The wealthy could careless about the poor and middle class, and it has been like that since the time of slavery.

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      woolman60posted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Thomas Jefferson wrote:
      "Still one thing more, fellow citizens, a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities." 

      I think Thomas Paine said it best;
      That government is best which governs least.

    2. Sab Oh profile image57
      Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "I wish people would truly understand that we never had any freedom"

      roll

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    logic,commonsenseposted 7 years ago

    Freedom isn't free!  How many have the courage to step up and actually make an effort to right what has been made wrong?  How many will make the investment of time to tell your representative in Congress that you do not like where this country is headed and what you feel needs to be done to get back on the best path?
    Don't come here and bitch unless you are ready to step up! 
    I have contacted them several times thru email and phone.  They don't want to hear from me but they will continue to get an earful until things really change!
    Let's get going now!

 
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