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Should we burn the American flag and the Constitution?

  1. cjhunsinger profile image66
    cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago

    Certainly the American flag does not stand for socialism, nor does it stand for the Marxist principles advanced by the United Natiions; principles that this government endorsed by its participation in the creation of the United Nations. The Human Rights of the UN have replaced the Bill of Rights. Individual freedom has been replaced by a global socialist mentality. Capitalism has been successfully vilified with corporations run by government and UN (Global Comapct) mandate.
    Our government operates under Treaties signed with the UN and continues to move this nation toward the globalist agenda.
    The American Flag cannot be flown over such hyprocisy and such treason.
    I would be very happy to be wrong. Please show be how. If I am not wrong, perhaps, all American Flags should be lowered.

    1. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      OK.. let's burn them both (better get rid of the originals too)

      1. Friendlyword profile image60
        Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Cut and paste the similar comments you made during the Bush Administration...Don't have any? I doubt you will find anything you wrote that shows you would be willing to commit the crime of  treason. If you dont want to live by the same rules us Democrats had to live with the past eight years; you need to leave the United States of America.  We are not going to change the Country because are a sore loser;because you no longer want play fair and live with the Peoples Choice! If you no longer support your Country because of one election; get the hell out of here.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Wow!

          That was really, really...

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Amen, brother!

          1. Niteriter profile image78
            Niteriterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Greek One, the very wise Hubber who inspired this discourse, does not live in the United States.

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Better check again... I didn't start this Forum topic.

              I like the American flag, admire the American Constitution, and love my American neighbors.  So much so that I chose to major in US history and politics in university

              I particularly like how they can settle their differences through the electoral process and under rule of law, while so many other nations gravitate towards extremism

          2. JON EWALL profile image47
            JON EWALLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Friendlyword
            I READ YOUR HIUB , where have you been to make this statement?
            If you don't want to live by the same rules us Democrats had to live with the past eight years; you need to leave the United States of America. 
            ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            The last 2 years of the Bush administration the congress was controlled by the Democrat party leaders Pelosi and Reid. DEC of 2006 unemployment ( republican control ) was 4.6%, a barrel of oil $ 45.00 and the economy was going strong. The Dem's controlling congress in 2007 and 2008 is when the economy went downhill and unemployment reached 6.5%
            The question one must ask , were you better off in 2006 or today with a super majority democrat controlled congress and president with unemployment at 9.7% and the economy worsening

            Wake up, 6 years of bush  was not as bad as it is today. please tell the truth unless you can't recognize what the truth is.

          3. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            sar·casm   /ˈsɑrkæzəm/  Show Spelled[sahr-kaz-uhm]  Show IPA
            –noun

            1.harsh or bitter derision or irony.
            2.a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

            1. Friendlyword profile image60
              Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry Greek

              1. Greek One profile image81
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                no problem.. lack of facial expressions online make it hard for people to communicate! lol

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        Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No need to burn the Constitution, nobody pays it any mind anymore.

        1. donotfear profile image92
          donotfearposted 6 years ago in reply to this


          lol lol lol lol lol

      3. William R. Wilson profile image61
        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        Hm.

        Have you ever read Marx?  Ever read Tom Paine?

        1. cjhunsinger profile image66
          cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yea and your point would be what?

          1. samurai4ever profile image60
            samurai4everposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe he's trying to say their philosophy is good?

            1. cjhunsinger profile image66
              cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              All things can be both good and bad from a certain perspective. More definition is required if a point is to be made.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Lowered, maybe, yes.
        Burnt?  NO.   That would be stupid; that would be performing Obama's agenda FOR him.
        Lowered until we get the socialist immoral tyrants out of business,  then Old Glory raised higher than ever!

        1. cjhunsinger profile image66
          cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I like your thinking Brenda

      5. goldenpath profile image82
        goldenpathposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        NO, NEVER!  I agree whole-heartedly with your comments, however, that's the people WE put in those offices - not the flag.  The flag stands for something pure - a nation shall inherit the land so long as they observe God and are worthy to claim this land.  It was under these precepts that the Constitution and the other sacred documents of this nation were founded upon.  Now is the time to raise the flag higher.  Not to puff up or complement the leaders, but rather to rally us, as the people, to the great cause of rescuing our country and flag from the certain doom they are imposing upon them. 

        Our leaders have become a travesty, embarrassment and imps who are engaged in traitorous activities.  A leader serves the people - not the self.  Succoring special "earmarks" in bills and under the table politics is an abhorrence before God.  It is OUR duty to remove them before He allows conditions to be imposed whereby this nation would no longer be free or recognizable.

        1. cjhunsinger profile image66
          cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Thank you Goldenpath

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        woolman60posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We as a people do not embarrass our flag, we as a people elect people to embarrass our flag for us, then we, use words like Socialism, to describe our country and its elected officials. We forget what our country was founded on. Have you ever taken the time to read the Constitution?  Remember the three most important words WE THE PEOPLE. This great country of ours gives all of us the freedom of speech, which we do on here without even thinking of the ramifications of our words. To even suggest that we burn our flag and the Constitution of the United States of America, says that we as a people and a nation have given up on ourselves.   For the people of United States of America to even suggest   that we give up our constitutional rights, needs to go live in a country that has no rights. As long as we have a Constitution, and a flag that stands for Freedom, I will fight, and speak for what I think is right, and stand by my country and die for my country.

        The return of capitalism will not happen until there is a moral revolution in this country. We must rediscover and then teach the young the ideas associated with being free and independent citizens. Then and only then, will there be social justice in America.


        History of American Flag.

        For more than 200 years, the American flag has been the symbol of our nation's strength and unity. It's been a source of pride and inspiration for millions of citizens. And the American Flag has been a prominent icon in our national history. Here are the highlights of its unique past.


        On June 14, 1777, in order to establish an official flag for the new nation, the Continental Congress passed the first Flag Act: "Resolved that the flag of the United States be made of thirteen stripes, alternate red and white; that the union be thirteen stars, white in a blue field, representing a new Constellation."

        Between 1777 and 1960, Congress passed several acts that changed the shape, design and arrangement of the flag and allowed for additional stars and stripes to be added to reflect the admission of each new state.

        Act of January 13, 1794 - provided for 15 stripes and 15 stars after May 1795.

        Act of April 4, 1818 - provided for 13 stripes and one star for each state, to be added to the flag on the 4th of July following the admission of each new state, signed by President Monroe.

        Executive Order of President Taft dated June 24, 1912 - established proportions of the flag and provided for arrangement of the stars in six horizontal rows of eight each, a single point of each star to be upward.

        Executive Order of President Eisenhower dated January 3, 1959 - provided for the arrangement of the stars in seven rows of seven stars each, staggered horizontally and vertically.

        Executive Order of President Eisenhower dated August 21, 1959 - provided for the arrangement of the stars in nine rows of stars staggered horizontally and eleven rows of stars staggered vertically.

        Today the flag consists of thirteen horizontal stripes, seven red alternating with 6 white. The stripes represent the original 13 colonies; the stars represent the 50 states of the Union. The colors of the flag are symbolic as well: Red symbolizes Hardiness and Valor, White symbolizes Purity and Innocence and Blue represents Vigilance, Perseverance and Justice.

      7. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Seems to me that the reverse is true--corporations are running the governments. Hard for me to imagine why anybody would want to burn the American flag.

      8. mdburks profile image61
        mdburksposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        InStead of bburnning the American Flag, lets do something useful.  I will vote against ALL incumbents this November and every November till Congress takes Notice that we are tired of their shenanigans (something that is deceitful, underhanded, or otherwise questionable). As a matter of fact I believe a good majority of them should be prosecuted for ripping off the American People by lining their pockets at the expense of the American People.

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          LegendaryHeroposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I agree.

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          Will Bensonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Amen. Let our reps know that their job depends on doing it properly.

          1. Friendlyword profile image60
            Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "mdburks wrote:
            InStead of bburnning the American Flag, lets do something useful.  I will vote against ALL incumbents this November and every November till Congress takes Notice that we are tired of their shenanigans (something that is deceitful, underhanded, or otherwise questionable). As a matter of fact I believe a good majority of them should be prosecuted for ripping off the American People by lining their pockets at the expense of the American People."

            Amen. Let our reps know that their job depends on doing it properly."

            Talk about a plan...their job depends on them doing a good job...Then you vote them all out! Brilliant way to build a Strong Steady Government you Guys.

        3. Eddie King profile image61
          Eddie Kingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Any of us would've done 1 tenth of what some of these Progressives have done we'd be in jail, mtg fraud, embezzlement, tax evasion. This is the most corrupt administration in the history of our country, they have a damned Banana Republic in DC now.

      9. Eddie King profile image61
        Eddie Kingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You know yo don't believe that. You would never burn the flag or the constitution. I can tell.

        Yes, they are under attack by men trying to govern.  There are more of us than there are of them, but this land is still governed by law and not men, we are still a republic not a Socialist Democracy or a Communist Dictatorship.

        Barack is a very dangerous man surrounded by very dangerous people, we will get them out of there and replace them, we can and will repair the damage they have caused and our work will be cut out for us after wards, re-educating our children,  keeping the fools who put them in power from ever getting us this close to losing our Republic and making a commitment not to fall asleep at the wheel ever again. We are partially to blame but we can't give our children a lesser country than the one we inherited.

        Stay strong

    2. TheGlassSpider profile image80
      TheGlassSpiderposted 6 years ago

      Wouldn't that be kind of like just giving up? I don't like the idea of giving up. Call me stubborn.

      1. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sometime people don't realize what they have until some one takes it way.

    3. flread45 profile image82
      flread45posted 6 years ago

      Why not move to another country,to satisfy your hunger??
      Things can be worked out through the American vote.

      1. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Democracy is not freedom. Freedom is the Bill of Rights. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on whats for lunch.

        1. Doug Hughes profile image60
          Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So you are opposed to democracy, but defending the Constitution and the flag. What's wrong with this picture?

          1. cjhunsinger profile image66
            cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            At what point did I say I was opposed to democracy. I stated that democracy was and is not freedom. Democracy is when 51 % of the people can destroy the other 49%. That is the reality of democracy.

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              Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Right that's why we need socialism, a benevolent government to collect and control our wealth to insure that we are all treated equally and fairly and we get what we need.
              Yes, with Obama as our leader, we all get a trophy just for being a citizen! Thanks socialists democrats!

              1. cjhunsinger profile image66
                cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I am reminded of the great beneviolent socialist leaders such as Stalin, Hitler and El Doche (probably wrong spelling). But as long as we get a trophy and we can sing and hold hands--

                1. mega1 profile image79
                  mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  are you sure you are defending democracy?  or are you just defending the capitalist regime's right to dominate and enslave?

                  1. cjhunsinger profile image66
                    cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Government dominates. I would venture to say that capitalism no longer exists.

            2. William R. Wilson profile image61
              William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Democracy is when 51% of the people don't try to destroy the other 49%, and when the 49% accepts the will of the 51%.

              If it were as you say, it would be mob rule.  Not democracy.

              Anyway, my point about Marx and Paine is that they aren't all that different in principle.

              1. cjhunsinger profile image66
                cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Democracy is mob rule--the difference is the Bill of Rights. We were first a Republic. It was Jerrerson, I believe who associated the mob with democracy

                1. William R. Wilson profile image61
                  William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The mob rule quote was not ever written by Jefferson:

                  http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/in … n_mob_rule


                  http://www.cronaca.com/archives/003038.html

                  Maybe you should read more Jefferson, especially read about the difference between Jefferson and Hamilton.

                  1. cjhunsinger profile image66
                    cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for that correction William. The point is made however.

                    1. William R. Wilson profile image61
                      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      What point is made?  Because what you describe is not democracy. 

                      Democracy is rule by the people.  It's very simple.  The people agree on problems and solutions.  If one half of the people plus 1 decide to destroy the other half of the people, that's not democracy, that's war. 

                      You should read Jefferson because of what he has to say about democracy in America - it's not what you seem to think he said.

            3. Ralph Deeds profile image70
              Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, it hasn't happened here yet anyway. Generally speaking the citizens have prospered under our system. Our system has been productive, disposable income has increased as has the average life span. I fail to see why we should be concerned about socialism. There's only one socialist in the Senate and none in the House. Democrats and Republicans, pretty much alike, suport our capitalist market system.

            4. Friendlyword profile image60
              Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Democracy means the Democrats of this Country had to put up with Dubya for eight M%#(%rf&*%#g years because we had to respect the will of the majority. We lived with it. Now poeple are talking about murder and treason because you don't want to play by the rules. I think our Founding Fathers did a great job making up the rules. We the People have the power to change things with our vote or with our feet. Just Leave!

      2. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have a vested interest in this nation. I fought in Viet-nam under that flag,

        1. William R. Wilson profile image61
          William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So do I.  I was born here and I have family here.

          1. cjhunsinger profile image66
            cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't remember asking or telling you that you should leave. I would not presume that I had such a moral high ground, nor would I wish your arguement to go away.

            1. William R. Wilson profile image61
              William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Cool.  We have to respect each other even if we don't agree.  Democracy?  wink

              Even if I seem snarky I'm glad to have a conversation about this with you.  I do think it's ridiculous tho to call the democrats "marxists" or "traitors" or whatever.  The ruling party is the same, whatever name you give it.

              1. cjhunsinger profile image66
                cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I would be very upset with my doctor if he diagnosed cancer, but treated me for a pulled muscle.

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                  Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  ????? We all can agree on that.

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        cosetteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        i agree. voters have a lot to say, and they are going to be heard loud and clear...

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          They already were, which is why so many of the mistakes of the past few years are now being rectified.

    4. mega1 profile image79
      mega1posted 6 years ago

      if you leave humans alone and don't try to propagandize everything they survive very well and get along very well - its the capitalism part of our democracy that makes for big, big troubles!  I think an infusion of some compassionate socialism will not harm us one whit, and in fact will make our nation much much stronger.  That is my humble opinion!

      now, if we could just silence those biddies who like to call people "pinheads"  . . .

      1. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How much infusion would you like and just who defines it?

        1. mega1 profile image79
          mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm ok with what the current administration is doing - I think a few years down the road you all will be aiming your guns somewhere else - since the changes that are happening will benefit you in spite of your opposition.  Some people just need to feel victimized, get negative, and get up on their hind legs - especially when they don't understand what is happening.

          yadayadayada - this kind of discussion is futile and wearisome!

          1. William R. Wilson profile image61
            William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            LOL!

          2. cjhunsinger profile image66
            cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Perhaps, you can tell us what precisely is happening.

    5. mega1 profile image79
      mega1posted 6 years ago

      lets all get hip to "Jerrerrrrrrson"  he's so current and all!  Our lives are definitely impacted by what Jerrerrrrrrrrrson says!

      1. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jefferson---thak you for the correction mega.

        1. mega1 profile image79
          mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          you all werrcome!

    6. kephrira profile image59
      kephriraposted 6 years ago

      I have a question - what is socialist about the UN?

      I am not aware of any socialist policies in the UN and I've read Americans call the UN socialist on these forums before but I don't understand why.

      1. William R. Wilson profile image61
        William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this



        Don't worry, the Americans who say that don't understand either.

        1. kephrira profile image59
          kephriraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I had my suspicions, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Has socialism just become a catch-all term for things that Republicans don't like?

          1. William R. Wilson profile image61
            William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Pretty much, yes.  I mean, the Republicans are calling the democrats Marxists.  LOL!

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, when the Democratic majority in power figure out what they really are (which certainly ain't true Americans these days), then we might know what to really label them as.     I'm thinking....fools and traitors.   But hey guess time will tell soon enough.

              1. mega1 profile image79
                mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                if "true Americans" are like you, exactly what is it this country will produce?  homophobes and self-righteous bigots?  since labeling is the real agenda here - label yourself!

                1. cjhunsinger profile image66
                  cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  This country produced the greatest nation the world has ever seen.

                  1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                    Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    What nation did this nation produce? Or are you of your meds?

                    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I think he means Iraq.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you a Democrat in power?  You sure spewed your venom on that post, didn't ya?!   I was referring to the majority of Democrats in power......but hey you just showed your true colors there,  and they ain't red white and blue.

                  1. mega1 profile image79
                    mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                    1. William R. Wilson profile image61
                      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Brenda is one of those who would destroy the other 49%.  Although it's probably more like the other 80%.

                  2. mega1 profile image79
                    mega1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    last time I looked in the mirror I was flesh colored - haven't really seen any red white and blue people around - a few sock-puppets maybe, but no real humans!

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              chapbetsyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think the Republicans are just as socialists as Democrats.  We only have one party in this country now anyway.  Every president has been socialist since Wilson and Roosevelt.  Each one (no matter which political party) has signed treaties, infringed on American independence, taken control over businesses and private property.
              Our own Secretary of State at the time wrote the documents for the United Nations for goodness sake!

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's ridiculous. You are confused about what the difference is between socialism and a democratic free market system.

      2. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Read the documents again and if you still have problems I will be happy to expound.

    7. Eaglekiwi profile image74
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago

      Make many bandana's no doubt wink

      Burning fabric would be so NOT pc for the environment ! (which already is messed up)

    8. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

      If you guys and gals down in the US are planning on overthrowing your government, can you please let me know so that I can adjust my vacation plans accordingly?

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        Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Why don't you just come and get Obama and Biden and Pelosi and take 'em for a little vacation THERE??   No return trip allowed!   ha

        1. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, I wouldn't mind having Pelosi and Palin up here for a couplr of weekends

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Now you're bragging!

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      Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago

      Compassionate socialism, what like Mao, Castro, Stalin, Kim Jong Il, maybe?

      It's that view that scares me most. America is imploding from the inside by folks that seem to think freedom is a playing field best refereed over by a benevolent government. I am just blown away by how many Americans are willing to trust government when in every instance they have shown to be corrupt and untrustworthy as well as incompetent.

      Capitalism, the unequal sharing of blessings and socialism, the equal sharing of misery, and this is what half the country would call progress! That really is sad!

      1. cjhunsinger profile image66
        cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Winston Churchill said it best and you Poppa Blues reinterated that wisdom in a most elegant manner.

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        chapbetsyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you Poppa Blues, BUT, to me capitalism is not blessings, it is the right for people to achieve within their abilities and desires.  A capitalist doesn't just get "blessed" with things - he/she works hard, is creative, educates themselves and achieves those "blessings".  Under socialism, you are told what you are capable of, where you are needed, what you will have or not have for the "common good".  There is only individual freedoms and achievements under capitalism.

    10. Ron Montgomery profile image59
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago

      Right f***ing on cj!  I like the cut of your jib.  This country AND it's symbols should be cherished and protected in honor of the almighty queer-hating lord and savior who helped us steal it from those pagan Indians.

      Gotta go now.  Glenn Beck is starting and I have to plagiarize my next rant.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago

      Those of you that think the government can engineer a Utopian society of social and economic justice, that think rights come from law, which comes from government, that think minorities should be treated equally but don't recognize that the individual is a minority of one, will never understand what the founders created and what is systematically under attack by your socialist democrat friends and many republicans as well. You just don't get it and you never will. America is unique in all the world, there isn't a single country with the foundation of freedom that America has.

      1. Greek One profile image81
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Dear Friend,

        Can you define this unique foundation of freedom?

        Thank you

        Greek One, the peaceful Canadian

        Lover Jefferson as he appears in the The Jeffersons

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
          Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Are you hinting at a Greek influence?

          1. Greek One profile image81
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No.. you guys aren't officially bankrupt yet

      2. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And you hardly had to murder any indigenous people and didn't bring many slaves in at all really. And you have not adopted any European practices like socialized health care, privately owned Central banks and massive colonial armies. No sirree bob. wink

        Freedom on the back of thousands of murders and slavery and debt is still freedom! Go Amerika! lol

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          Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh not that again Mark! Indigenous people? Really? If I'm not mistaken didn't they arrive here from Asia? Who did they take the land from? You like to pick a point in history as the "beginning" that is convenient to support your arguments.

          Why don't you look at the history of I don't know, anyplace else in the world and let me know how those people got "their land".

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            We feel smarter already.

            It's a miracle!

          2. Mark Knowles profile image60
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh - so now you are the same as everyone else - instead of providing a unique foundation of freedom? lol

            Cor blimey guvnor - did we get it yet?

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
              Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Cor blimey?

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Tha's ow we tork over ere in the old cuntry. wink

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              Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yeah, it must suck not to be American, the jealousy must eat at you every day, knowing we're freer than any other civilization on the planet. Yup that's why you and your socialist buddies take such delight in seeing us go down socialism road, then we can all be miserable just like the rest of the world!

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Dear me, no thanks. You are an example of America? Just pointing out your hypocrisy and the fact that - you ain't no different or better. I take no such delight - I hate what is happening just as much as you do. But - I see the real enemy.

                1. Greek One profile image81
                  Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The French, right?  It's always the French

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Freedom Fries baby. big_smile

                    Actually - it is the unholy trinity of Central Banks, Government Inc and Religion Inc, with the added Misinformation Media owned by the above.......  wink

                    1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
                      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Totally agree with Mark there !! and why do some Americans when challenged always spew out the 'jealousy' word??

                      Um of freedom....guess if you think your country is "the world ",then maybe thats where the  perception lies , but Ive been here for just over 12mths now , and I can tell you from my American husbands experiences ,since he returned to his homeland and the amount of gobbly guk departmental crap hes had to go through smells nothing like freedom I grew up with!...

                      There is  too much government in everything , why if there was no white line painted down the centre of the road , I seriously people would have forgotten how to think for themselves........

                      Laws for everything!!! wt??...man...common sense died , and I missed the funeral... smile

          3. William R. Wilson profile image61
            William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            This is hilarious.

            Why don't you tell us, Poppa, who the First Nations took their land from. 

            I'm waiting.

      3. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Please don't give up on us Poppa!  With your guidance, we can all one day reach your state of enlightenmnet.  The fact that we currently see your posts as rubbish is due to our own inadequacies, not a lack of ultimate truth in your ministry.

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          Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well I'm not holding out any hope for you. You were born with the red star on you azz!

      4. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Back to slavery and not allowing women to vote?

    12. tysonrss profile image61
      tysonrssposted 6 years ago

      This question sorta pisses me off. Hell no we shouldn't get rid of what TRUE American Patriots stand for. Infact we should get rid of the ones trying to turn this country into turmoil. People like the dogs in the government. Get rid of fraudulant Presidents like Obama(Sataero or however you spell it).If this contry wasn't run by blood thirst eugenics than this country would be fine, but so long as these bastards live this country will never be what it once was or meant to be.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
        Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So the solution is to kill the....

        "blood thirst eugenics"?

        More please.

        1. Greek One profile image81
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think he is talking about assassinating your President as he disagrees with him

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
            Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I believe he took a Rush Limbaugh quote and dumbed it down.

            And I thought nuclear fusion was a complicated endeavor.

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I know, Right?  lol

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                mad

                1. tysonrss profile image61
                  tysonrssposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Lol sorry I don't listen to Rush Limbourgh or whatever. I listen to Alex Jones and he goes over this stuff pretty nicely. If you mind slaves would wake up than things will get better.

                  1. Greek One profile image81
                    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah!  Wake up Ron!! Wake the f@!$!@% up!!

                    1. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      My slave mind cannot wake up without permission from the mind master.

                  2. Ron Montgomery profile image59
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Did Mr. Jones coin the term "Blood thirst eugenics"?  I plan on using it frequently and just want to give proper credit.

                    I am a peaceful
                    Socialist
                    Mind Slave

                    1. tysonrss profile image61
                      tysonrssposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      No I think I made it up. Your no socialist by the way your carrying on here. But everyone will find out this isn't a game soon enough as long as stupid people don't understand what's going on out here.

                      And actually I do think he said on one occasion.

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                    LegendaryHeroposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm sorry but Alex Jones is crazy.

                  4. William R. Wilson profile image61
                    William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Didn't you know that Alex Jones is a tool of the conspiracy? 

                    I mean think about it... he's the lone voice, speaking the truth in the face of a devilish worldwide conspiracy... and he's been doing this for how many years now?  10?  How many DVD's has he produced and sold?  He's got a radio show and a ton of websites?

                    Sure is a good living, speaking the dangerous truth about our fiendish overlords.

                    1. tysonrss profile image61
                      tysonrssposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I agree the guy is crazy at times, but he also speaks the truth. I am not a mind slave to him, because some things I disagree on but what he was talking about today with the military acting the way they do is pathetic. They enjoy murdering kids and civilions. Yet they are controlled by the government itself so of course they think its okay.

                      And what I mean by "blood thirst eugenics" is that they want to kill of 80% of the population, if that isn't blood thirsty what is?

                      No childish answers please or they will be ignored.

                    2. Arthur Fontes profile image91
                      Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Have you seen who advertises on infowars and the other Alex Jones sites.  Not your average advertisers.

    13. William R. Wilson profile image61
      William R. Wilsonposted 6 years ago

      Sorry, sometimes my irony meter overloads.

    14. Greek One profile image81
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

      I've been trying to figure out where I have heard remarks similar to the ones on forums like this one before...

      it's been bugging me all day, but then I remembered..

      http://www.nndb.com/people/936/000031843/timothy-mcveigh-1-sized.jpg

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Tea Party is having a little gathering in Virginia and D.C. as a memorial to McVeigh on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing of the federal building.

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          Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          BYOG
          (Bring your own Guns)

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            Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            In your case, Doug, it would be BYOOP (Bring Your Own Obama Puppet).

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            Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ralph, April 19 happens to be the date when the Revolutionary war began, remember the "shot heard round the world"?
            Doug, yes that's why we have the second amendment, to protect us from the tyranny that you and all your socialist buddies would like to see for the "common good".

            1. Greek One profile image81
              Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              are you advocating the violent overthrow of your government?

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                Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No merely correcting Mr. Deeds assertion that the Tea Party scheduled on April 19 in Washington has anything to do with the Oklahoma bombing that occurred on the same date. Of course the main stream liberal propaganda will have you believe otherwise because they want to minimize and discredit the Tea Party Patriots, they want to silence dissent, because they are socialists that don't believe in free speech unless it is speech espousing their socialist beliefs!

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                  Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Merely a coincidence that the dates happened to be the same? Believe that and I'll sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.

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                    Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Which co-incidence Ralph that it's on the same day as the revolutionary war or the Oklahoma bombing, or maybe the coincidence is that McVeigh picked THAT date because it was the beginning of the revolutionary war.

                    It seems you want to choose the coincidence that supports your view, and that of the MSM, that the Tea Party is full of violent, hateful racists that want overthrow the government instead of a group of middles class people, the majority of which is women,  and politically independents and democrats make up more than half of that group.

                    It just makes more sense to me that they would pick that date because it marked the start of the revolutionary war agaisnt a government that didn't listen to the concerns of their people either.

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                    LegendaryHeroposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    There are only 365 days in a year. Name a any day and I could give 10 things that happened on it and chances are there are going to be coincidences.


                    This: http://www.gadling.com/2010/04/07/touri … d-volcano/

                    and this: 1906 – Mount Vesuvius erupts and devastates Naples

                    Not a coincidence at all.

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
              Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe that's why McVeigh picked the date for his bombing. Crazies think alike. In any event choosing that date for the gun rally was poor judgment.

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                Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Actually that date makes perfect sense and from a publicity standpoint is quite clever as I'm sure these kinds of discussions are viral all over the Internet.

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                  Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It seems to me that leaving themselves open to the charge that they are memorializing McVeigh's OK City bombing would be counter productive to their 2nd Amendment cause. At the very least their choice of date is susceptible to misinterpretation and for the public to conclude, as I have, that they are a bunch of wingnuts. As you observed, picking that date did get them a lot of free publicity about their event. Most of it negative, however.

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                    Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Only by people that choose to make connections not supported by evidence, and for them it doesn't matter because even if the picked April 20, the opposition would find some other reason to disparage them.

                    1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      There are lots of us.

    15. Arthur Fontes profile image91
      Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago

      This was recently sent to all 50 State governers.


      The  Restore America Plan is a bold achievable strategy for behind-the-scenes peaceful reconstruction of the de jure institutions of government without controversy, violence or civil war.  After consultation with high ranking members of the United States armed forces, the Plan is in the process of assembling the Guardians of the Free Republics and reinhabiting the De jure Grand Juries to:

      Restore and reinhabit the de jure institutions of lawful government.
      Terminate illicit corporations posing as legitimate governments, in particular the territorial jurisdiction United States Federal Corporation (corp. ref. 28 U.S.C. 3002) posing as the de jure United States of America.
      Terminate all presumed powers of attorney to such corporations.
      End the foreclosure nightmare (for borrowing against one’s own credit).
      End tax prosecutions for resisting the transfer of private wealth to foreign banking cartels such as I.R.S. (former Puerto Rico Bureau of Taxation).
      End street assaults against the sovereign People for failing to exhibit a State-issued confession of subject-class citizenship.
      End all prosecutions which lack an injured party.
      End admiralty prosecutions for kidnapping and other heinous crimes against mankind as “commercial crimes” against the corporate State under a contrived corporate color-of-law venue (corp. ref. 27 C.F.R. 72.11).
      Terminate the intrusion of corporations posing as the state into every aspect of the People’s lives.
      End the use of covert contracts such as Form 1040, car registrations, birth certificate applications, and bank signature cards which confess the signer to be a legal fiction subject of the United States Federal Corporation (“U.S. person”) that has waved his/her rights in favor of state-issued privileges.
      End the use of deeds which classify the People as “tenants” on their own land, thereby transferring control to incorporated County registrars and tax assessors.
      End the perversion of marriage into a commercial system of state-issued privileges through the so-called “marriage license” whereby incorporated “courts” presume the “right” to trespass on families and kidnap children.
      End the hijacking of automobile ownership through DMV registrations which covertly exchange the divine rights of travel and ownership for the state-issued “privileges” of “driving” and “title.”
      In place of all of the above, substitute sovereign identification, diplomatic immunity and sovereign passports to facilitate safe passage throughout the world free from corporate State molestation and terror.
      Restore the People’s money and wealth from the banking institutions, war profiteers, and international loan sharks.
      Instantly vest all mortgages, auto loans and personal business loans “issued” by members of the Fed.  The state shall hold no paper on, or debts against, the sovereign People, directly or through its agencies and licensed banking institutions.
      Instantly end all non-consensual and unlawful taxation including all taxes on the sacred rights of labor and privacy.
      Empower and inspire the sovereign People to righteousness through such renewed abundance.
      Issue orders to the military and police powers to enforce the Peoples’ divine rights of birth.
      Reabsorb all de facto actors into lawful de jure capacity.
      End the perverse act of requiring the People to pray to “courts” as is now required under corporate rules and traditions.
      Restore the de jure judicial institutions including the district court of the United States and the one supreme Court.
      Quietly mirror the strategies of 1933 thereby using their (our) institutions, military and public officials to undo eighty years of subterfuge without provoking alarm, controversy or armed conflict.
      Return the military and law enforcement institutions to proper and lawful de jure sovereign authority from the clutches of corporate actors.
      Forgive all corporate actors who repent for their State-sponsored crimes against mankind.  Remove the recidivists from office.
      Do all of the above, and more, peacefully, discreetly, quietly and honorably, behind the scenes, without public proclamations or provocative actions against a general public that is mostly unaware of the hijacking of their free de jure American republics, and their hapless media.

      1. Friendlyword profile image60
        Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Let me condense this a little. Guardians of the Free Republic. As much as dislike the idea of a military Coup; the way you plan to install people in government to enact your plans are what this Country is about.  That is the American way. We The People have the oportunity to stop you by paying attention to our local elections. That will be on us if we let you slither into our local governments.

        1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
          Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'm surprised Arthur would fall for such looney tunes!

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who sent this garbage to the governors?

        1. Arthur Fontes profile image91
          Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I heard about this on my local radio.  The Gov of RI was asked to resign or be removed.  I posted it here as I find it interesting and I notice the mainstream media is ignoring it.

          http://chattahbox.com/us/2010/04/02/gov … e-removed/

          This is the guy who started it.

          The anti strawman movement is growing in popularity as it makes sense.

    16. Evan G Rogers profile image82
      Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago

      I'm late to the conversation, i'll just post my opinion on burning the flag.

      From what I've read, people are arguing what the US flag stands for.

      Let's see - the US government no longer stands for it's own constitution, which can easily be seen if we just look at the tenth amendment.

      It does NOT stand for private enterprise - just about everything is regulated up the wazzoo.

      And it doesn't stand for freedom the way it once did - we're torturing people in Guantanamo, massacring people over the world in wars we've started, and we've got over 700 military bases in over 130 different countries.

      Should we burn the flag? I sure as hell would!

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        sneakorocksolidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's time for your medication.

      2. Friendlyword profile image60
        Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We all have those days when we forget we are in a Country ruled by the people.  Then one day you wake up and realize all you have to do is get off of your Dumb Ass and Vote to change things in this Country. Then you realize how lucky you are.  No matter how bad you think this Country is; you have the power to change it with one finger and your other arm tied behind your back.

        1. cjhunsinger profile image66
          cjhunsingerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No you don't

     
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