jump to last post 1-5 of 5 discussions (10 posts)

Cap and Trade is here...

  1. SparklingJewel profile image66
    SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago

    The Cap and Tax Energy Tax is set to be unveiled on Monday.
    It's the start of the full-court press to expand government
    control over the energy and manufacturing sectors of the
    economy -- and impose a huge "global warming" tax on
    every American consumer.

    Details are starting to leak out. Here's some of what
    Reuters is reporting...

            --Cap and Trade regulation of the utilities in
              2012, creating a pass-through utilities tax
              for consumers...

            --Manufacturers come in line in 2016, causing
              American products to have a built-in carbon
              tax that, once again, is passed on to consumers...

            --Green carbon "offsets" which amount to nothing
              more than a global warming guilt offering...

            --Tariffs on overseas products, which is an
              admission that the Cap and Tax scheme will
              greatly increase the cost of goods produced
              in the United States and reduce our global

    And here's the kicker...

            --A new "fee" (i.e. tax) on refined motor fuels
              (i.e. gasoline) as "the mechanism for reducing
              carbon emissions in the transportation sector"

              While we do not yet know how large this gas
              tax will be, it must be large enough to cause
              people to use less gasoline in order to achieve
              the goal of "reducing carbon emissions."

    A carbon tax on utilities, manufacturing and gasoline...
    all passed on to consumers.

    1. 0
      Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Notice the time line, 2012, and 2016, election years, how convenient!

  2. Ohma profile image82
    Ohmaposted 6 years ago

    Just how much money will it take to stop global warming if in fact it is happening?

    1. 0
      Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this


      research what this guy has to say about it. He'll explain in plain English how the numbers don't add up, that if global warming is in fact caused by man that the cuts required in carbon emissions to stop it now would be impossible to achieve.

  3. livelonger profile image91
    livelongerposted 6 years ago

    I really do feel it's pointless to try to cut carbon emissions. The amount of carbon being emitted and contributing to global warming will continue to grow, mostly due to the Jevons Paradox.

    I believe global warming is real, and is primarily a man-made phenomenon. The solution will almost surely be the result of a technological innovation. I think Iceland's recent eruption and Pinatubo point to one possible solution.

    The one good thing about cap-and-trade is that it will spur innovation in alternative energy, which is the way of the future regardless. Why shouldn't the US lead in hydrogen, fuel cell, solar, wind and other energy technologies? Our complacency has already made us fall behind.

    1. 0
      Poppa Bluesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Carbon trading is a farce! Most of the world is already doing this and all it is, is a way for wall street to make billions, perhaps trillions trading securities that are akin to the mortgage derivatives that almost brought down the economy. Remember Enron? They traded natural gas derivatives. This isn't much different.

      I think the Earth is warming too, but I'm not sure how much of that warming is attributable to man, and even if it is if warming is a bad thing. Energy prices will rise as sure as the sun sets in the west and as they do alternative will become more competitive. The last thing we need to do is create a tax that will slow economic growth, burden the poor and middle class, and constrain employment to solve what may or may not be a problem that may or may not be man made.

    2. ledefensetech profile image82
      ledefensetechposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You might want to take a look a some numbers, Lord Monckton that Poppa posted a video of hosts a site in which he looks at the numbers:


      In the following he analyzes many of the assumptions the IPCC makes and shows why those assumptions are incorrect.

      http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/image … Crisis.pdf

      Finally I saw a rather interesting show on Discovery or the National Geographic Channel, unfortunately I can't remember the name, which talked about the Snowball Earth phase of our paleohistory and the hows and whys.  Apparently the formation of a huge supercontinent over the South Pole about 650 million years ago disrupted ocean currents that caused the formation of massive ice caps and cooled the world to the point where it was covered in its entirely in ice. 

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_E … g_disputes

      While there are other theories out there as compelling, an analysis of the formation of the Panamanian Isthmus is strong circumstantial evidence to support the idea the ocean currents have a significant effect on climate worldwide. 

      http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12321&a … p;cid=2508

      So it would seem that water currents, not methane and CO2 have more to do with how hot or cold the planet is.  Well that and the giant fusion reactor about 93 million miles away.

      1. MikeNV profile image73
        MikeNVposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "Well that and the giant fusion reactor about 93 million miles away."


  4. SparklingJewel profile image66
    SparklingJewelposted 6 years ago

    I don't think any one's perspective is right on the climate...there is still some creative thinking that needs to be done just to perceive the problem...if there is one

    I believe it is all because  of the consciousness of humanity...we need to be only about love big_smile  for real man!

    got to go to work, later

  5. MikeNV profile image73
    MikeNVposted 6 years ago

    Anyone catch the news this week?  Turns out there is a Volcano in Iceland that has put a major damper in Air Travel across the World.

    Fortunately there are people working right now on a way to figure out how to "Tax" the Icelandic Volcano so that at next years Global Warming Summit they can offer "Icelandic Volcano" offsets for sell.

    All those emissions from that Volcano have got to be "offset" in order to save the World.

    There is also news out of Camp Gore of a special rocket ship being manufactured that will connect to the earth near the equator then pull the earth exactly 276 miles further from the sun in order to "offset" the increase in warming.

    Finally the really good news.  With unemployment expected to balloon under Cap and Trade laws... people will not be able to afford food.  Those starving people will die thus they will no longer be exhaling extremely dangerous CO2 gasses.