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South Park & Censorship

  1. livelonger profile image89
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    So I finally downloaded the South Park episode from this past Wednesday last night, and was disappointed to see that a LOT was bleeped out. I'm talking about the usual 1-minute monologue ("I've learned something this week") at the end, and any mention of Mohammad's name or his image.

    Note, the image was not offensive like the Danish cartoons - no bombs, no depictions of him being a terrorist - but apparently some illiterate nutjobs in Queens (who are disavowed by every other mainstream Muslim organization) made a bunch of threats of violence against the show's creators. The show's creators wanted the show to be uncensored, and when it wasn't shown on SouthParkStudios.com, they posted a note expressing disappointment in Comedy Central/Viacom.

    What do you all think? I support the show and believe this is a disappointing caving into the demands of bullies, and now we're going to see more and more groups demanding that something they deem offensive not be shown, or else they'll threaten with violence.

    A depressingly bad precedent.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
      Jeff Berndtposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      "this is a disappointing caving into the demands of bullies,"
      Agreed.

      At the same time, though, it's not me or my family that was going to be bombed. I'd like to imagine that if I had such a decision to make, that I would not cave in to the demands of bullies (which is exactly what terrorists are, only on a more deadly scale), but I have a lovely wife and two beautiful young sons. I'd need to feel pretty confident that they'd be 1) not blown up and 2) taken care of after I got blown up (if I was).

      I'm sad that the bullies got rewarded for their anti-social behavior, but I can't really look down on the folks at Viacom.

      1. ledefensetech profile image80
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        If we're too afraid to stand up against violence, then we'd better get used to the idea of living in an Islamic Republic.  The whole reason fundamentalist Islamics use violence is because they know if we fear them enough, we'll sit down and be silent.  If we stop talking and debating, we lose.

        1. Daniel Carter profile image91
          Daniel Carterposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          "Debate" to an Islamic fundamentalist is spelled m-u-r-d-e-r.
          I think you'd lose that debate in a hurry unless your guns and ammo were ready, aimed and cocked.

          I'm not sure many of us are willing to be martyrs for the cause. I think that's what Jeff is saying, and I would agree. I don't intend to be sacrificial lamb, nor allow any of my family the same. That's all.

          1. ledefensetech profile image80
            ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            What can I say, I'm ornery.  I'd do to the fundamentalists what South Park deliberately did to the censors at the MPAA.  When their movie was sent back, they made it twice as offensive. 

            Daniel, Islam is much like other religions that claim to know Truth.  They tend to be a bit more fanatical about it because they claim God spoke to the Prophet and his words were God's words.  All that belief is, is an attempt to discredit Christianity.   It was well known at the time the sorts of schisms Christianity was going through, the heresies, etc. and the founders of Islam wanted to avoid that.  They didn't, but that's another discussion.

            Actually I'd say people are people.  It's the fundamentalists who are the problem, not believers in general.  Of course Islam has to go through something like Judaism did with their Rabbi's or Christianity did with the Enlightenment, but that's up to the believers as to how and when that is going to happen.

            1. Beelzedad profile image60
              Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Not really, Christianity needs no help to discredit itself. smile

        2. Beelzedad profile image60
          Beelzedadposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Debates like your god can beat up their god? wink

      2. livelonger profile image89
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I disagree with you somewhat.

        The creators of the show wanted the episode to air uncensored, so clearly they were willing to take on that risk. AFAIK they were the only specifically-mentioned targets; the rest was the usual "and everyone else even remotely associated with this show."

        Viacom might want to consider getting out of the comedy entertainment business. Offending people is part and parcel of a type of comedy, one that South Park and Comedy Central have been trading in since their inception. There is PLENTY I've seen on Comedy Central that I can easily imagine offending people.

        Now anyone who might be offended by something and is too dumb to just switch the channel can make some violent threats on Twitter, no matter how small and illegitimate a group they are, and expect to have the offending show scuppered.

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
          Jeff Berndtposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, yes, absolutely. I hope, if I were in that position, I'd be brave enough to risk getting blown up and air the stuff anyway.

          But I've never been in that position. How would I react if I were threatened with having my home bombed over something I wrote here? Take it down? Leave it up and risk my life and my family's? I dunno. I hope I'd be brave enough to leave it up. But until I'm tested, I'll never know.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have been watching the show since I was a teenager.  My personal favorite episode is when they make god and alien taco. lol -still cracks me up to think about.

      I think the whole thing is absolutely ridiculous but here is what gets me, why aren't the people that made the threat aren't being detained?

      Can't Matt and Trey press charges?  What would happen if they did?

      1. ledefensetech profile image80
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        They'll probably release an uncensored version to the Internet.  I'm curious to see if the uncensored version will wind up on southparkstudios.com.  I'm not sure if they run that or their distributor.  I think they might, if that's the case we'll see it on there.

        Sorry but my favorite episode is "Make Love, not Warcraft".

        http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103797

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          OMG!  I totally forgot about that one.  That is also one of my favorites~! Good call.  big_smile

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        The post was made anonymously to a blogsite.  Who would they sue?

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          sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          The website maybe?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Possibly.  I have a gut feeling they'll get back at them via the show.  They're pretty clever when it comes to outwitting censors.  They are both huge fans of Monty Python; masters of the art.

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Excellent. big_smile

              1. Shadesbreath profile image89
                Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The writers seem to be saying just that for those who know how to read carefully.   It's on the Comedy Central site, here:

                http://www.southparkstudios.com/news/3878

    3. rhamson profile image77
      rhamsonposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      A funny element about the censorship of certain elements of the show indicate a reverse effect in play.  By demanding censorship of certain parts is control being displayed to prevent people from putting Islam in a bad light.  Funny how the process backfires when people judge them to be worse because of it.

      1. Shadesbreath profile image89
        Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Yes. It was more ironic with the Danish cartoonist a few years back.  I mean, a guy writes a cartoon that portrays Islam as a violent religion.

        This was so upsetting to many Muslims that they trashed embassies and started riots that ended up in death and destruction in several places around the world.

        I guess they proved that cartoonist wrong!

  2. Beelzedad profile image60
    Beelzedadposted 7 years ago

    Islam is a religion of peace. Muslims wouldn't dare to make threats of violence lest they be shown to be hypocrites. smile

  3. ledefensetech profile image80
    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago

    Disgusting.  Just goes to prove Mao's so charming dictum "Kill one to terrify ten thousand".

  4. livelonger profile image89
    livelongerposted 7 years ago

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133ece4af8f970b-550wi

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
      Jeff Berndtposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      This is another occasion to wish for a "Like" button.

    2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
      Evan G Rogersposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      May 20th? I'm there. I'm going to spread this through facebook - hope you don't mind me stealing the image.

    3. IzzyM profile image87
      IzzyMposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Ca-ca - don't know how it's spelt but that is how it is pronounced, is Spanish for sh*t.
      When I was in hospital, before I learnt how to speak Spanish, the nurses used to ask every day "Ca-ca hoy?"
      I didn't know what they meant - knew 'hoy' meant today, but because everyone else the ward answered 'si', I did too.
      Man I was there two weeks and ended up constipated as Hell!! big_smile

  5. ledefensetech profile image80
    ledefensetechposted 7 years ago

    I love it.

  6. Shadesbreath profile image89
    Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago

    This is why we have secret service and special forces.  They need to track those guys who made those actual threats and arrest them (or accidentally kill them). 

    I think it's sad that we are going to let terrorists silence our artists.  The military of a nation is supposed to defend its artists.  Both must be strong. Art is the voice of freedom. The fist must fight for the voice or we might as well just all convert to Islam now.

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    Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago

    If we allow anyone to take away our freedom of speech, they will try to completely control us. Anyone who gets insulted over a cartoon and thinks it is an agenda has a real problem within himself.

  8. MikeNV profile image71
    MikeNVposted 7 years ago

    Free speech?  Southpark is just a show that parodies life events.  The funny part is that people would get so upset over a cartoon that airs on paid cable TV.

    There are people in this world that simply have no sense of humor.

    Jesus and Buddha both made an appearance in this episode and I was not offended.

    1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
      Evan G Rogersposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      you forgot the best part:

      Randy's quote : "Stan, Jesus doesn't matter when Mohammad is involved."

      and the scenes of Buddha snorting coke.

      And in earlier episodes Jesus took a deuce on George Bush.

      The recent "200" and "201" episodes were fantastic - they showed the ultimate paradox of giving in to terrorists. One terrorist group (the muslims of the real world) was demanding that Mohammad be hidden, and the others (the celebrities and the gingers) were demanding that he be shown.

      Brilliant stuff.

  9. profile image0
    Deborah Sextonposted 7 years ago

    I liked the one where the kids were following a cult. One of them (Stan I think) went to get Jesus to help them. When Jesus saw the power the leader had, he says "JESUS Christ!!!!".

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What about the one where Satan and Sadaam are bed buddies in hell. lol  And Satan is totally submissive.

      1. ledefensetech profile image80
        ledefensetechposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        That was the movie.  Where South Park was going to bomb Canada.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          I think Satan and Saddam have appeared in the series as well.

          1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
            Evan G Rogersposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            yes they have - Satan has a boyfriend named Chris (i think) and he's a total weenie. Then saddam repeatedly stabs him in the head and kills him... but he keeps showing up back in hell.

  10. TheGlassSpider profile image80
    TheGlassSpiderposted 7 years ago

    For an interesting look at a similar conversation, check out:

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/41481?page=2

  11. Beebeebobbletop profile image60
    Beebeebobbletopposted 7 years ago

    lol

  12. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 7 years ago

    Trashing a person's identity whether it is a sexual identity, an ethnic identity or a religious identity is just plain wrong.

    Exploring the faults and hypocrisies in an ideology or religion in an intelligent and illuminating way is a different matter.

    Which approach would South Park have used?

    1. Shadesbreath profile image89
      Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      They would have explored the faults and hypocrisy in the same irreverent, satirical way they have explored lots of other hypocrisy.

      The reaction from this terrorist group only strengthens distrust of the religion and, depending on the message of the cartoon, probably proves the points they were going to make in much the same fashion the violence that followed the Danish cartoon brought.

      We're probably seeing the increasing manifestations of a real culture war as those who believe in freedom of speech become more incensed at violent and deadly reactions to cartoons. Which, ironically, is what the terrorist want, so they are actually "winning" even though they are "losing" in this sort of double irony thing.

      If their goal is to bring down civility and mutual respect so that chaos reigns, prosperity is lost and the power of religion can be restored to the clergy who lose influence and power every day that people think for themselves, then they are making strides towards that goal.

      Their allies, willing and unwilling, will be trapped into defending the "respect my religion and don't draw cartoons" argument, which is on the surface a reasonable request, but ultimately means "adhere to the laws of my religion" which is akin to a type of conversion that people outside of it, and especially those who believe in freedom, just aren't going to buy.  Period.

      1. livelonger profile image89
        livelongerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you completely.

        I'm not sure this "Revolution Muslim" group is a terrorist group thinking strategically, and exploiting discord between non-Muslims and Muslims. I think they're just a group that believe attention, negative or not, makes them feel empowered, and by having their absurd demands given into, they should be. Unfortunately.

        BTW, images of Mohammad by Muslims  are not new.

  13. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 7 years ago

    Is sarcasm and satire haram in Islam and Christianity ?

  14. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 7 years ago

    Leave the criticism of Islam to Muslims they actually understand the subject.

    1. Sab Oh profile image60
      Sab Ohposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Do you take the same attitude toward other religions? Non-Christians shouldn't criticize Christianity? Buddhists, Jews, etc.?

      1. Will Apse profile image90
        Will Apseposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I do, I may take issue on practical matters but not on faith.

  15. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 7 years ago

    Evan H Roberts- I would have more respect for you if you stood outside your local church with an image of Jesus enjoying the pleasures of a whore house. It would take more courage (but no less insensitivity).

  16. Falsor Wing profile image85
    Falsor Wingposted 7 years ago

    Matt stone and trey Parker are full of win, most likely their next season will be even better and mock them all the more. I;m not happy with the censorship but not even a little supprised.

  17. Falsor Wing profile image85
    Falsor Wingposted 7 years ago

    You know what I just realized? This thread is fairly political and as far as internet politics and religion threads go this is probably the most reasonable discussion of the topic in question I have heard. This gives me hope. we may be fractious but when somebody fucks with our foul mouthed fourth grader cartoons we'll really close close ranks.

    PS anonymous threateners: every comedian secretly loves a heckler, your hatred and general douche-baggery only makes us stronger.

    1. Shadesbreath profile image89
      Shadesbreathposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Yep!

  18. waynet profile image50
    waynetposted 7 years ago

    Idiots run this world and that's why it's going down the drain, get rid of one good show like South Park, then they all go, by fools who think they are the absolute voice!

 
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