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Is FOX News a catalyst for change or fodder for the masses?

  1. rhamson profile image74
    rhamsonposted 6 years ago

    With claims of being the "Fair and Balanced" take on reporting and the #1 news network in the nation, are we to believe they have a corner on the truth and spin because of their ratings?

    1. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Its the mouthpiece for the anti-Christ, thought you knew. roll

      1. rhamson profile image74
        rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So you perceive a doomsday scenario as its' motive?

        1. Buck Steiner profile image60
          Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ay yi yi

          1. rhamson profile image74
            rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I thought a stupid question was in line with your observation. wink

            1. Buck Steiner profile image60
              Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You have succeeded in your quest.

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe they don't understand that some people watch Fox News for entertainment only because as far as 'real news' reporting goes, what does it have to do with fair and balanced?  News is the news.  They have some news broadcast but mostly all their "news" is opinions.

      1. rhamson profile image74
        rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wouldn't you agree that News should reflect the facts and be cognizant of the diservice it does to people who are less discerning?

        "Fear can only prevail when victims are ignorant of the facts."

        "The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors."
        Thomas Jefferson

        1. tony0724 profile image60
          tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You talkin bout MSNBC ? They are the H1N1 of cable news.

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Isn't it PMSNBC?

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Correct, with Faux news being std of cable news!

            1. Buck Steiner profile image60
              Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Is it politically correct to refer to an STD as an STD?

              Maybe they like to be called Bacterial eruptions or Viraly challenged.

              Ya gotta think of their feelings!

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I meant Silly Television Dudes, Buck!  Does it mean something else in Texas?

                1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                  Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Georgia is way behind the civilized states.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Just because Texas leads the country in STDS you don't have to be smug about it!

            2. tony0724 profile image60
              tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Apparently so. They are blowing away the competition. CNN used to be the standard. Now they are barely a blip on the radar screen

      2. JWestCattle profile image59
        JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If most people were watching Fox for it's entertainment value, then MSNBC should have earth-shattering viewing numbers and be leaving Fox in the dust with their ratings.  smile

        Fox isn't a paid mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, therefore, you at least get both sides "fairly" presented of important events or issues in the news. Katie Couric, among others, has made a fool of herself, and is a nice example of a journalist forgetting the meaning of the word.

        1. Buck Steiner profile image60
          Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          They will never buy the truth.

        2. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, it's the mouthpiece for the republicans.
          Bush was a HERO over there, while Obama is blamed for an oil spill.
          Fox reporter started the "sabotage" talk.

          Fair and Balanced....if you're a concrete slab!

          1. JWestCattle profile image59
            JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            We do endow our Presidents with God-like powers don't we!  Bush was God of the Weather and brought us Katrina, and Obama is God of the Seas, and brought us an oil spill.....those Greeks don't have nothin' on us.  smile

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              The final Katrina death toll was over 4,000. And the death toll in the Oil rig fire is 11.  FOX is reaching more than a bit to try to lay the OIL spill and/or response on Obama as ANYTHING comparable to Katrina in cost,  impact or fatalities.

              1. JWestCattle profile image59
                JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You are kidding yourself, or you haven't bothered to read and listen to the details, this oil spill will have tremendous impact on thousands of human and animal lives for many many years, including lots of cows who graze on marsh grasses.  Thankfully the loss of human life was not immense, but a loss, not sure why you would use such a comparison, strikes me as insensitive. 

                Fox is in no way saying Obama is responsible for this spill, that's lib lunacy, and some of your very own liberals have been critical to the Administration's lack of urgency in addressing the situation.

                However, just as Katrina's flooding was an unexpected event, so is the inability of apparently anyone to control the oil gushing from that well.

                1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                  Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If it wasn't drilled, it would not have to be capped.

                  1. JWestCattle profile image59
                    JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    My, you are brilliant, I had briefly forgotten just how brilliant, if I had been intellectually on the ball I'd have recalled it was pointless to engage your brilliance.  But you know conservatives, we aren't terribly bright and can be forgetful at times.

                  2. Buck Steiner profile image60
                    Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Doesn't your Obamagod want to start drilling off the coast of Alaska?

                    So if one of those rigs blow it will be his fault?

                    Maybe Obama has been slow to react in a competent manner on this latest oil spill because he isn't competent?

        3. Friendlyword profile image60
          Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Surely you jest! Have you been reading this tread? Scroll back to RebekahELLE's comment concerning the Fair and Balanced Fox News.
          (I quit watching them years ago when the foxnews/monsanto coverup incident took place where they killed an investigative story done by two news reporters in tampa, fl.)
          And I think your problem with Katie Couric is, she made a fool of Sarah Palin in front of the whole world.

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So one episode is reason to not trust a news agency?

            Ever hear of Dan Rather?

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            Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I definitely have a problem with Katie Couric - but that's not it smile

    3. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't watch it. I usually watch PBS newshour, it's just the facts and they have in-depth interviews.
      I quit watching them years ago when the foxnews/monsanto coverup incident took place where they killed an investigative story done by two news reporters in tampa, fl.  now you can google it and find it in a matter of seconds.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They don't have a corner on the truth;  they just have cornered the media art of actually TELLING the truth.

    5. JON EWALL profile image45
      JON EWALLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hubbers
      Apparently something happening at Fox News makes them #1 in cable news.
      '' fair and balanced ''  '' you decide we report '', that's their motto.

      Cavuto and Beck in the afternoon are informative as to what is truly happening in Congress and Washington.
      Beck exposed the relationships of Obama with Goldman Sachs, Soros,Al Gore and radicals in the Obama administration.
      i don't recall any of the majors picking up the stories that expose Congress and  President Obama.The red phone on the Beck's show hasn't rang yet ( direct line with the white house ), wonder why?

      Well, to each his own, that/s what makes the world go around.

      Obama and the Democrats are pushing Finance Reform, they want quick action, wonder why?
      You haven't heard much about new jobs for the private sector lately, wonder why?
      Jobs and unemployment are again on the back burner,now it's all about the Arizona Immigration law that Obama and the Justice Department is looking into.

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Can't have States writing laws to protect their citizens that's downright unAmerican ain't it?

        Whatever you do don't ask someone for their ID in one of the States, but the Feds can do it all day everyday at the airport.

        As for Beck, I have no idea what he is saying about anything, contrary to what the shills overpopulating the forums think I don't watch much FOX news.

        But it sure riles em up when someone defends FOX, they get all frothy at the mouth and talk bad about your football team!

    6. Mikelo22 profile image62
      Mikelo22posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't understand why it's always FOX that gets the bad rap. MSNBC is just as bad. The real funny part about this whole argument, however, is how both sides are so quick to call out FOX or MSNBC for being an extended wing of the Republican and Democratic Party respectively, while the stations, such as CNN, who try to be as neutral as possible don't receive any credit. In fact, CNN's ratings continue to plummet.

      Whether we care to admit it or not, America likes controversy and disagreement. Just 'reporting the facts' doesn't gain viewership anymore. Idealistic journalism is on the rise.

  2. Greek One profile image82
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

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  3. Buck Steiner profile image60
    Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago

    You seem to be under the mistaken impression that not all news sources have a particular bias, FOX is no more biased than MSNBC or CNN.

    The real problem you and people like you have is the bias FOX shows is completely different than the bias you like.

    They are not reporting lies or misinformation in their news department no matter how many times you say they are.

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No, you see, they just aren't reporting news.  Real news.  Real news is stuff like the Volcano erupting in Iceland or local grocery store goes under or how many men have died today in the war. 

      That is news.  It doesn't change to suit a particular channel.  It stays the same across the board. 

      Fox, on the other hand... while they do have a couple of actual news broadcast, are not reporters, they are opinionated columnist.  Like Dear Abby but more negative.  They broadcast like a soap opera.  The gossip and drama is unreal and I think they make their own news up because it gets rating.

      So unfortunately you are ill informed about what news is.  Who a senator boinked is not news!  lol

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Golly gee, thanks for splaining it to me. roll

      2. Sab Oh profile image61
        Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's funny how completely some folks just cannot see their own bias but see it everywhere else.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Saboh, what are you saying?  I have to watch Fox news?  No I don't have to watch it, I do watch it sometimes and sometimes I agree with some of their opinions but it is not the channel I would rely on for accurate reporting. 

          If there is a problem with that then it seems it is the doing of Fox who has you believing that if someone doesn't watch Fox news for their news then they are against the world.

          1. Sab Oh profile image61
            Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, that is not what I'm saying, so the rest of your argument with yourself is on you.

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        LegendaryHeroposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        They do do that. Have you watched it before? Or visited their website?

        1. Buck Steiner profile image60
          Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Obviously not.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't be so selective.  I said twice that that do have some news broadcast but I am under the impression that you think Glen Beck or the O'Reily factor is news.

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Actually no, we are considerably smarter than the average MSNBC viewer! Ok, all 4 MSNBC viewers!

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            LegendaryHeroposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I don't watch/listen to them. I know that they aren't news, just opinion. I was just saying that they do have a lot of "real news."

          3. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And you do realize that just because you don't like whats being said doesn't automatically make it wrong.

            Never mind, I'm sure you don't realize that.

  4. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago

    For those of you who follow intelligent conservative discourse (and there is such a thing, but not on FOX) David Frum is a leader - a  GOP conservative, thinking leader. Shortly after Health Care Reform passed he wrote in an editorial -

    "I've been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes, it mobilizes supporters -- but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead.

      The vitriolic talking heads on conservative talk radio and shock TV have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination...

    When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say -- but what is equally true -- is that he also wants Republicans to fail.

    If Republicans succeed -- if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office -- Rush's listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less and hear fewer ads for Sleep Number beds.

    So today's defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it's mission accomplished. "

    There's the problem with FOX and Rush. They are not about solving problems. It's all about ratings and a power grab for conservatives with no consideration for what's in the best interests of the country.

  5. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    I'm glad it's only conservative talk shows that are full of vitriol. Yes, Keith Olbermann is a shining example of a fair, balanced, sane, thoughtful host. NOT!!

    I don't like Olbermann or Beck. To me, they're two sides of the same coin. I don't like hate speech from either side!

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree.  When taking a step back, it is easy to see what their talk is doing to the people who follow them.  *shutter*

    2. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You would think that its only the conservatives with all of the intellectually dishonest people who post here.

      Truth is its extremists on both sides, you know, the squeeky wheel get the grease and the audience and then the money!

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I will agree with that.

    3. Doug Hughes profile image60
      Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Habee - check who my source is. He's a CONSERVATIVE.  And his point is that  the GOP refuse constructive compromise and allow Limbaugh and Beck, who are entertainers (at best) control the options which will be allowd the GOP officials the influence of the GOP shrinks. 

      I believe in a 2-party system that gets things done through debate and compromise.  The system in the US is degenerating into paramentary terrorism by the conservative minority.

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        sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's creepy.

      2. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree, Doug. I have never, ever listened to Limbaugh, and I hate it when my husband watches Beck.

    4. Friendlyword profile image60
      Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How could you put Keith Olbermans' name in the same sentence with GLEN BECK?. That is such a hurtful statement. I going to have to ask you to be a nice lady and apologize. Otherwise, you will have seriously hurt and insulted every clear thinking fellow citizen in this Country. I never heard this type of talk from you before. You always spoke with some type of reasoning.

      1. Sab Oh profile image61
        Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        ???

      2. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I used to watch Keith - until the deomcratic primary. When he looked into the camera and spoke with such hatred directly to Hillary, I turned on  him. BTW, guess which network Hillary says she got the fairest treatment from? FOX!

        1. Friendlyword profile image60
          Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You are right about Keith Olberman getting a litte too passionate at times. But, you know he never lied to us. And I think Keith and alot of Democrats were upset at how mean Hillary acted during the primary.

          And there's no way Hillary Clinton would make a statement like that about Fox News. You just said that to hurt me again. Admit it!

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Olberman wouldn't lie

            I used Google for you, happy reading

            http://www.google.com/search?q=olberman … =firefox-a

            1. Friendlyword profile image60
              Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Duh Duh Duh thank you for telling me about that whole google thingy.  I used it. Because I knew if Keith Olbermann made a statement that turned out to be inaccurate he would correct himself as soon as possible.

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/2 … 34129.html

              1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The Huffington post?

                The national inquirer doesn't have a website?

      3. tony0724 profile image60
        tony0724posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Friendly word right on ! I feel bad for Glen Beck too ! LOL ! smile

    5. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The problem habee, is that they won't admit Fox is hate speech.
      You see? They justify it and condone it and excuse it.
      In other words, it's ok for them to hate, because they give it another name: Patriotism.

  6. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    If you watch any one news channel way more than another, you will have a problem with getting the most accurate coverage of any story.  This includes MSNBC, Faux News, CNN, etc. 

    Watch them all, go online, read newspapers, don't fall for being a sympathetic ear or you end up being just an ear.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And listen to the BBC! smile

      1. rebekahELLE profile image92
        rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        good source, hey btw, any predictions on the British election tomorrow??

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I think Labour may do better than expected, but otherwise, a hung Parliament anyway I would guess, with labour wielding an icecream stick instead of a barge pole. smile

          1. rebekahELLE profile image92
            rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I haven't been following it too closely, but saw the trouble Brown got himself into. It will be interesting to see who triumphs.

            the problem with faux news is their emphasis on placing blame. I really don't like that or respect it. I want to hear the news, that's it. and then I turn it off. some people watch these stations all day and night and they wonder why they're unhappy and borderline hysteria.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Correct Earnest!  Many Americans refuse to listen or watch news channels from other countries, especially news concerning the United States.  Patriotism means keeping your head buried in the sand to some folks.

      3. Sab Oh profile image61
        Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "And listen to the BBC! "


        roll

    2. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree. That why I watch Shepherd Smith, O'Reilly, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Anderson Cooper, and Joe Carter. I also read a number of online newspapers, ranging from uber liberal to moderate to far right.

  7. Buck Steiner profile image60
    Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago

    We should say no to "paramentary terrorism"!

    WTF is "paramentary terrorism"

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      sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I bet 10 bucks that Beck would say it is the 'progressives' lol ROTF!

      1. robogunny profile image61
        robogunnyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        One thing about Beck, is that he tells it like it is knowing that there are people like you out there that will argue the truth.  Put it to test for yourself, and that is, Prove him wrong..........Sometimes I don't want to hear it, but hey, the truth is the truth.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Really! Are you unaware of Beck's past?  Before he was paid to push the right he was paid to push the left.  The truth is what he is paid the most to tell.  You guys scare me!

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Whether he is paid to push a certain agenda is irrelevant if he is telling the truth.

            I don't watch him so I don't know.

            Don't be scared Randy, I'll protect you.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You might be the "Faux" in the hen house, Buck!

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              Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Yep.

          2. robogunny profile image61
            robogunnyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What really scares me is for someone to attack another person without the proper knowledge or proper investigative information.  I will stand by my statement of asking anyone that believes Beck is telling an untruth, then show it.  On your statement of "pushing" left or right or center, or not at all, that doesn't hold water at all.  The world is made up of people that has opinions, right or wrong, and then later we hear of them changing their view.
            Case in point, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pa, Writer Dick Morris, and of course the many promises that our present President has broken, for whatever reason.
            Right or wrong, History will tell.

            If my being honest scares you, I apologize, but I cannot and will not apologize for what is right, especially if it can't be proven to be false.  That is all I am saying.

            1. Buck Steiner profile image60
              Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Semper Fidelis Gunny, Semper Fidelis!

              1. robogunny profile image61
                robogunnyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Semper Fidelis my Friend............Now that is worth talking about.....

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What scares me is not what Beck is saying, but those who do not take in consideration the motive of the speaker.  I pay no attention to anything Beck says, now or ever.  I assume you do the same with other controversial figures.  How many of Michael Moore's movies have you watched?  Ever watched Fahrenheit 911?

              Usually, true Faux News aficionados are instructed not to watch certain movies.  And many obey!

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                Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How do you know they obey? You're just assuming because you don't like what Beck has to say under any circumstances.

              2. Buck Steiner profile image60
                Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Actually Sean Hannity has had Michael Moore on his show and pushed his last film for him.

                You have never actually seen FOX news, have you?

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  actually, I saw that program, Buck. I laughed my butt off!  So, yes I watch Faux News occasionally.  It's still not as funny as "The Daily Show."  But it is getting close.

                  1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                    Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    See, it has some value for you after-all.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    If you really wanna see something "funny",  watch Obama's speil at the Congressional dinner, making jokes while terrorists attack and the coast is in danger of being totally pollluted and our borders cater to crime.    The court jester's been given a seat in the White House.  What a crock of crap liberal America's got us all into!

              3. robogunny profile image61
                robogunnyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Not sure about who is instructed to watch certain movies or not, however, I for one have never heard that being said.  About Michael Moore's movies, no, they just didn't grab me in the right spot, as many don't.  But wow, not sure when the last time was that I was instructed not to watch a movie............still thinking.......

                1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                  Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Its probably subliminal, the libs have some interesting conspiracy theories.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  So you aren't interested in looking at different viewpoints of the Iraq war, right!  I'm not saying you have to believe anything anyone says in the media, but only following those who you agree with can have bad consequences.

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                    Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    And watching anything by Michael Moore will make your brain leak out your ears! If you're going to listen to the "other side" at least pick an intelligent source.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I love paramentary cheese sandwiches!

    3. Doug Hughes profile image60
      Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Senate Republicans voting as a block to not allow discussion and debate to even start on financial reform. The GOP is in the minority but they can prevent critical issues from even coming up for discussion  much less a vote - and they DO.

      There are nearly 100 positions in the government that have qualified candidates and individual GOP senators have secretly put 'holds' on those nominations. In some cases it's extortion to get pork for their states.

      Linsy Graham threatening to withdraw from bipartisan talks on energy reform if the Senate is going to consider comprehensive immigration reform.

      Record high use of the fillibuster to block legislation.

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for clearing that up, all this time I just thought it was some shit you made up, oh wait, it is!

        The definition of "paramentary terrorism" is?

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    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago

    Cupcake anyone?  http://justgrits.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/cupcakes.jpg

  9. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    Case in point! LOLOLOL!

  10. MikeNV profile image75
    MikeNVposted 6 years ago

    Fox is a for profit broadcasting network offering a particular audience material they want to consume.

    1. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So is American Idol, whats your point?

  11. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    The only time Randy has watched FOX is when he was visiting my husband once while FOX was on. Randy threw up all over my new sofa!

  12. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

    To respond to the original question, I actually watch quite a bit of Fox News since I live with my fiance' who is a conservative and frequently has it on.  Truthfully, there a few legitimate journalists on the network.  Shepard Smith comes to mind.  However, they are vastly overrun by the opinion folk and the vacuous talking heads who follow the company line.

    1. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They're called commentators, thats what they do, they commentate!

      Weird huh?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, and in the process of commentating, they deceive.  I think you actually know this to be true, but would never admit it.

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          Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'll admit it. The key is that if you're going to watch tv news at all you have to go in with your lie-detector filters in place. Otherwise why bother?

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I completely agree with you on that.  Unfortunately, not everyone takes the time to sort the lies from the truth, which is why we should hold people like Beck accountable, even if they are only commentators and not journalists.

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              Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Beck is the least of our worries, however. Olberman, Matthews, Maddow, Colmes, I'm not sure how any of them can sleep at night yikes

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                All of them should be held accountable, if they make a "mistake" as Texan likes to call them.

                1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                  Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You provided one little non-important thing he said and say he is lying, it sounded more like a mistake to me, do you have anything else?

              2. Friendlyword profile image60
                Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                OK...I'm leaving now. This is getting way too Crazy and Scary.

        2. Buck Steiner profile image60
          Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Really, was there a particular time I was deceived?

  13. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    Charles Krauthammer is the smartest journalist on TV.

    1. JWestCattle profile image59
      JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would pretty much agree with that.

  14. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    Raul, glad you made it home safely, amigo!

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yep, I made it!  That stinko day Mayonaise party was fun.

  15. 0
    china manposted 6 years ago

    You'all are beginning to sound just like Fox Spews - loads of vitriol and no substance or truth.

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Hi, Buck! Glad you're back - I missed you!

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Ahhhhhh, ain't you sweet! I missed everyone but Randy, he ain't right.

        1. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, but he kinda grows on ya...like a fungus...or maybe a wart.

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, I guess he's alright, for a snake.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You forgot "inflamed boil!"

            1. habee profile image90
              habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I thought it was "festering" boil?? Festering sounds better...er...worse.

    2. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Are those numbers in the corner of our pic our IQ? Just wondering...

      1. 0
        Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not fair habee smile

        1. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Don't say that, Madame! I'll be accused of being FOX News!

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's our serving numbers!  Save you a seat!

    3. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Madame, this is freakin' hilarious!

      http://hubpages.com/hub/Picture-Gallery … sic-Movies

      And yes, I laugh at Bush jokes, too! I'm an equal opportunity giggler!

      1. 0
        Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        habee, you're a gem smile

    4. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago

      I'm outa this snakepit!

      Later Y'all

    5. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

      Me too! Some of us have to work!

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And some of us have to sip Margaritas by the pool!

        Its how I roll

    6. JON EWALL profile image45
      JON EWALLposted 6 years ago

      hubbers
      I enjoyed the comments from the left and the right. The only thing that should matter is what is the truth.
      I happened to watch the Finance Reform hearings on C-Span where Secretary Geithner was testifying. Double talk mostly, relapse of memory and not answering direct questions from the senators.
      I caught Glen Beck on Fox News, he was exposing the questionable relationships of Goldman Sachs( campaign funding to Obama and some Dem's  $33 MILLION ),the unions ( SEIU and the AFLCIO ),Frank Raines (took $90 million out of Fannie Mae ),Joel Rodgers (the apollo alliance group, they wrote the healthcare bill for congress ),Al Gore ( investments in the Chicago Climate Exchange),Joyce foundation (connections with Obama and Valerie Jarrett)and our president  barack Obama.
      GLEN BECK USED OLD ACTUAL NEWS CLIPS TO SUPPORT THE ACCUSATIONS

      There is an old saying '' Knowledge is power '' , '' You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all the people all of the time ''.

      Some sources of info to consider (uncut and open discussion).
      The economy and the market
      Business programs, Fox programs on sat and weekly CNN and others
      live ,uncut and not biased
      C-Span
      Internet ( biased and not factual in many cases)
      Weekly news broadcasts (take your pick but check for accuracy between each to formulate the truth).
      Without different opinions, hubbers would have no place to go looking for the facts.
      SOMEONE ONCE SAID !

      Let me be clear ‘’ we want the whole truth and nothing but the truth ‘’ so help me God

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        watch this and then tell me about his "truth":

        Glenn Beck's Fake Crying Photoshoot
        4 min 54 sec - Jun 19, 2009
        www.youtube.com


        Olbermann and Maddow don't do this. Nor do they call themselves Real Americans.   

        As opposed to what, btw? Us fake americans?

        Fox is is an intelligence psy-op. Watch this and tell me different:


        OUTFOXED : Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism
        78 min - Sep 13, 2006
        video.google.com

    7. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

      obviously, you don't know the story. it's not about one episode. it's about who decides what can be aired to the american public; lies, deception and the corporations with powerful lawyers waiting to pounce if news journalists actually do their job and report real facts.

      1. ErictheGator profile image60
        ErictheGatorposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Fox,MSNBC,CNN, and the rest of the news media are all reporting from their own biases and slant on the facts.  Truth is secondary to ratings for these so called journalists.  People need to take all the reporting with a grain of salt and do some fact checking instead of blindly believing any news media.

      2. rhamson profile image74
        rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        rebekahELLE have you read Bernard Goldberg's book Bias.  I believe it is from Harper press.  Your sentiments are clearly voiced in his accounts of working in network news and the distortions and out and out lying that takes place for ratings.

    8. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      I agree, Eric, but I hate your avatar pic! lol

    9. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

        sadly, I do agree. it's almost impossible to know what is really true. even sadder, that people actually live their lives in accordance with what is reported on these 'news' outlets.
      I can hardly talk with one of my relatives any longer, because she is fox news loyalist and believes whatever they report and brings every conversation back to (hysteria) politics. 

      I see you're a Gator fan. yeah, go gators!!

      no, I haven't seen this book. I'm sure it is an interesting read. I think it's pretty clear we're not getting the real stories, especially when they come back and change something they reported earlier!  anything to please the advertisers with the deep pockets.

      1. Sab Oh profile image61
        Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you can't talk to your relative, then one or both of you is taking things too personally.

        1. rebekahELLE profile image92
          rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          of course I can talk to her, what I mean is that when we talk, she will start talking about issues and how we need to do this and that, and starts getting angry. I've talked to her and how it's affecting her and she knows, but she is addicted to watching it. I guess I could have clarified my statement more Sab.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have had this experience, too, with rabid Fox news watchers. There are people who I have known and loved for years who used to be able to carry on a rational, calm conversation about politics and can no longer do so.  I can't say for certain that it's their addiction to Beck/Hannity/Rush that has unleashed their irrational side but it sure seems so.  They appear to consider any disagreement as a personal attack and those who have a different political view as enemies.

            1. rhamson profile image74
              rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I think this is what is at the heart of the problem. 

              "If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is the man who has so much as to be out of danger?"
              T. H. Huxley Science & Culture IV. 1881

              Opinions and views offered on the Fox shows such as Fox and friends offer little other than conspiracy theories and inuendo that is meant to manipulate people into their collective reasonings.

              I watch it for a hoot and to see what nonsense Obama is responsible for each day.  I watch other shows to at least glean a cursory understanding of the daily newsmakers.

              1. Sab Oh profile image61
                Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The 'other' side's bias is always shocking but your own is almost always invisible to you.

                1. rhamson profile image74
                  rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree and that is why we have to listen to all sides when making any decision as to where we stand.

                  "Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by doing so some people have entertained angels without knowing it"  Hebrews 13:2

                  I try to practice this and with most diligence when talking to you.

                  I have hope for you yet.

              2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Faux uses a very subtle form of brainwashing its victims.  By focusing on child abuse, abortion, gun control, religion, homosexuality, and other points which convince Faux news adherents of their talking points, they can slip in less truthful items and get away with them.

                The watchers seldom watch other news sources so they know no better.  They will then fiercely defend the network and, as many of us have witnessed, get quite angry when you try to explain why they are wrong about much of their information.

                Many are hopelessly mired though, with no chance of getting the whole story anywhere else.

                1. Sab Oh profile image61
                  Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "Faux uses a very subtle form of brainwashing its victims. "


                  As opposed to how CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. treat their victims?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I have told you before, do not address me troll.  I have no interest in anything you have to say or think.  Last warning!

                    1. Sab Oh profile image61
                      Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Are you saying that CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc. use a different kind of brainwashing? Maybe not so subtle, is that it?

                    2. rhamson profile image74
                      rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Randy have some patience with TK ....er I mean Sab Oh.  He is still learning how to address issues by adding something rather than taking away.  The attack dog stance is something that has to be unlearned.

                      You have to admit he has the FOX one liners down pretty good.

                2. Buck Steiner profile image60
                  Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm still waiting for a list of all of the bogus news reports that all of you say FOX is putting out.

                  If you got em show em!

                  Don't talk about it be about it!

                  That is all, carry on!

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hello again, Buck.  Faux news anchors pushed the idea of Obama's not having a birth certificate and being a Muslim.  One of their "blonde short-skirted anchorettes expressed her opinion of Obama not being president because of the particular swearing in process.

                    Being ignorant is no excuse, you may say as your excuse for her, but untruth is still evident in the message.  Bush's own press secretary stated both Faux and the white house collaborated on the particular "talking points" for the day.

                    The Teri Schiavo incident was a shameful incident for Faux News as they used wacko priests and rabbis to condemn her poor husband who took great care of her for many years.  When the truth came out about her not having any chance of ever regaining the ability to think again, Faux dropped it like a hot potato.  Do you think they apologized to the poor man, Buck?  I would not like to see you placed in that man's position, nor anyone else.  A shameless act by any news organization.

                    1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Well hello Randy, Can you provide a name of the anchor who pushed the birth certificate issue? The swearing in fiasco was covered by every cable news outlet and speculated about by a lot of different people.

                      I recall very little specifics of the Terri Schiavo deal, but I do know that all of the networks ran piece after piece about her and her husband. I remember most of what I heard was speculation about the husbands involvement in her predicament, this was long before I was watching FOX news.

                      I have searched and only found that FOX has run stories on the Birth certificate issue just like every other network and cable-news outlet has done. Lou Dobbs (late of CNN) ran more stories and pushed the Birthers claims unapologetically  more than any other cablenews or network ever thought about, and I don't see you running CNN down.

                      I see an effort by many on hubpages to belittle those who lean right and of course FOX news has to be thrown in for good measure, I see most of these people as shills for the Democrat party and the Obama administration in particular!

                      If it seems to you that I want to undermine the Obama administration and seek to destroy any policies he initiates, then you have a good eye! Democrats and especially Barack Obama do not represent me, I do not want his Presidency to succeed because if it does then my Country will suffer.

                      Say what you want about me or my beliefs but know that I will stand and fight for those beliefs, I am in a position that I do not have to sit by and watch this clown destroy our economy silently, I can and do donate lots of money to candidates that do represent my values, basically I buy influence because I can!

                      Hang on cause there are lots of people in this State just like me who do the same and we will be heard!

                    2. Sab Oh profile image61
                      Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      "Fox News anchors pushed the idea of Obama's not having a birth certificate and being a Muslim.  One of their "blonde short-skirted anchorettes expressed her opinion of Obama not being president because of the particular swearing in process"

                      Do you have a link or the actual transcript of what was said so we can all look at it together?

            2. Sab Oh profile image61
              Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "They appear to consider any disagreement as a personal attack and those who have a different political view as enemies."

              You mean like some of the liberals on this forum?

    10. Rasman1 profile image60
      Rasman1posted 6 years ago

      FOX NEWS SUCK

    11. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

      And that is the point in my opinion.
      Divide and conquer.

      It's a form of brainwashing. No kidding.
      Just google Operation Mockingbird.

      this is a good one; MOCKINGBIRD - The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA

    12. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

      wow, I don't know who this new guy is,or if he's a troll, but I've never wanted a president in power not to have a successful presidency whether I agreed with everything or not. I think that smacks of arrogance, it's OUR country.

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Trolls everywhere huh?

        Liberals wanted Reagan to fail, Bush 1 to fail, Bush 2 to fail!

        What do you not understand? That the Democrats in the House and Senate along with the Democrat President do not represent me?

        I did not want a tax bill that masquerades as health care reform to pass, I wanted that bill to fail!

        Try being more honest and you might actually feel better!

        Troll, watch out, there everywhere....roll

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Correct me if I'm wrong, but the democrats voted to support Dumbya before they found out the facts were manipulated by your home boy.  Or do you still think the Iraqis were responsible for 911?  Still think Saddam had WMD's?  Still think the "mission was accomplished" while Dumya strutted on board the aircraft carrier?

          Those mobile chemical lab drawings the administration touted as being all over Iraq never existed.  You seem to think it was all a simple mistake.  Thousands of dead men, women and children,mean nothing to you as is obvious. Otherwise you would feel remorse for helping put Dumbya in office, especiallly for a second term.

          Sarah Palin will do a great job for you!

          No need to answer, Buck.  We showed them didn't we?

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I voted for him the first time but not the second, you really aren't getting anywhere Randy!

            Keep being angry at Bush because he tricked the Democrats into voting to invade Iraq with phony evidence, evidence that Clinton/Gore/Pelosi/Reid all said existed before Bush was ever elected.

            I'm sure there are plenty of Iraqis who are happier than hell that we ousted the tyrant that lorded over them.

            Oh yeah, when did Obama extricate forces from Iraq/Afghanistan?

            What? There still there? But,but, he said he would pull them out!

            roll

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I do not plan to get anywhere with you or the troll, Buck!  I suppose not voting for Dumbya the second time resolves you of any responsibility.  The first murder doesn't count count, I suppose.

              Perhaps you may know some happy Iraqis, but I would think there are many who had members of their families killed who would disagree with you.  What did the war solve that was worth the lives of so many people?  Your answer will tell me a lot about you, Buck.  You obviously were not too pleased by Dumbya since you didn't vote for him the second term.  I don't think you voted for Kerry.       

              Saddam did have WMDs at one time.  But not when Dumbya said he did.  He had nothing and we spent our treasure on murdering those he had already beaten down and then paying more money replacing the infrastructure.  Talk about doubling down.

              Bush will be known for being the worst and dumbest president we have ever had and you were part of it.  Feel proud?  Torture, theft, blindfolds, leashes, dogs, rendition, yep!  Yippe ki yay! 

              And you expect Obama to clean up your mess?  Of course not, you want him to fail and our economy and medical care to worsen.  What a patriot!  LOL

              1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                You get funnier every-time, my favorite part is where Iraq had WMD's when Democrats said they did but not when Bush said they did!

                No I didn't vote for Kerry!

                "What did the war solve that was worth the lives of so many people?  Your answer will tell me a lot about you, Buck"

                Haven't you figured it out yet? I do not care what you think of me, I do not care what your version of a Patriot is!

                No I don't expect Obama to clean up any messes, that would require competence that he does not possess!

                I didn't vote in this last election because there were no choices, it was either the corrupt white guy or the corrupt black guy, let me guess, you actually made a choice between them.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes I did make a choice, Buck!  If you don't vote then don't bitch about what you get.  But I do understand why you wouldn't vote after putting Dumbya in office. 

                  I'm not surprised you can't understand why there were no WMD's in Iraq when we invaded but were earlier on when the inspectors weren't there.  You fell for the propaganda, there's no getting around that.

                  But we will not agree on the present situation.  Perhaps the economy will get even worse and more people will lose their jobs.  Maybe the health care bill will be a failure and more people will be sick and die and you will be right.  Whatever it takes to make you happy, eh?

                  Later on Tex!

                  1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                    Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry Randy, I'm gonna bitch loud and long until this lackey for George Soros is run out of Washington! Maybe he can move to Georgia and live with the other incompetent dolt that last ruined our economy.

                    People die everyday, even people with health care, this was a tax bill and nothing more.

                    The economy will worsen, and the debt will climb higher and higher, and since you're bound and determined to place blame on people who voted a certain way, I hope you accept your responsibility in tripling the debt!

                    But you won't, its still Bush's fault, I am saddened by the discovery that you are a shill!

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Unlike you Buck, I will take responsibility if Obama even comes close to being the corrupt moron you voted for.  I suppose your lackey, Rupert Murdoch, is so much better. 

                      I will rail against any president who disgraces our country, but President Obama has a long way to go before even approaching the depth of stupidity Dumbyas administration has taken us.   

                      Yes, people die every day, some murdered by stupid decisions made by stupid people.  Our standing in the world fell immensely during your state's favorite son's terms.  But it has improved under Obama, despite your wishes to the contrary.

                      It is a compliment to be called a shill by someone who put Dumbya in office.  Thank you!  There can be no higher praise!

                  2. Sab Oh profile image61
                    Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    " Perhaps the economy will get even worse and more people will lose their jobs.  Maybe the health care bill will be a failure and more people will be sick and die and you will be right.  Whatever it takes to make you happy, eh?"

                    Like when certain democrats were declaring the Iraq War "lost" in 2005 and certain liberals gleefully gloating over same? Did that attitude bother you then?

              2. Sab Oh profile image61
                Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "Bush will be known for being the worst and dumbest president we have ever had and you were part of it. "


                Only by angry liberals whose volume will fade down to their level of insignificance in short order.

                1. alternate poet profile image78
                  alternate poetposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No - by pretty much the whole world outside your wood,

                  1. Sab Oh profile image61
                    Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Which wood is that?

    13. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      I think CNN had way more coverage about the birth certificate than FOX did. In fact, I've seen O'Reilly poo-poo his guests who wanted to discuss it. I don't know if Beck has talked about it or not - I don't watch him or Hannity.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So when did Johnny allow you to turn the channel to CNN?  Oh yeah, I forgot it was when he attended the Tea Party Rally!  He would have a heart attack if he knew you watched CNN!  LOL

        1. habee profile image90
          habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Johnny isn't home during the day. He has a job - remember?? After he goes to bed at night, I can watch the late version of Rachel Maddow, too!

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good for you! You are too smart to be a republican!

            1. Buck Steiner profile image60
              Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And not dumb enough to be a Democrat.



              Disclaimer
              Buck Steiner in no way believes habee is the least bit dumb

            2. habee profile image90
              habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Nah, I'm not "smart" enough to be a democrat - you know, like Hank "Guam" Johnson and my ex-husband!

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Now don't go getting on Hank's back Habee, he might topple over! smile

                1. habee profile image90
                  habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Good one, Ernesto!

              2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I didn't vote for Hank.  But did you vote for Sarah Palin?  You betcha!  LOL

                1. habee profile image90
                  habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No, actually, I voted for McCain. And would he be doing a better job than Obama? You betcha! And so would Hillary!

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So you thought you could elect McCain without getting Palin in the bargain?  And if McCain died in office, which was not unlikely, you would have chosen for Palin to succeed him.  I'm not a really big fan of Biden, but damn!

                    1. habee profile image90
                      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      To me, Biden is just as scary as Palin - maybe worse because he should know better. He's a likeable guy, but his lies, plagiarism, and confusion are frightening!

                      My dream ticket would have been a McCain-Hillary partnership.

                  2. rhamson profile image74
                    rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't know Habee I think if McCain were in the White House we would have boots on the ground in Iran right now.  He was champing at the bit to war with Iran even before the election.

    14. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      I am impressed this pathetic topic made it this far. WOW!

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks for participating

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And you're point being? hmm

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That you participated?

            Is that good enough or do you need a more detailed answer?

    15. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago
      1. JON EWALL profile image45
        JON EWALLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        96Randy Godwinposted

        Most of what was in the video looked like 2004 dated material, can you verify.
        What the video showed were supposedly news commentators who were past fox employees.
        We have been viewers of Fox since the 2000 elections, never once have I seen any of those appearing in the video.
        There is a lot more of Fox other than O'reilly, Hannity, Heraldo and Beck to watch for ''fair and balanced'' reporting. Whoever is the moderator Fox in most cases has another guest on with another view. Many times on radical points, guest  refuse to accept and offer to appear on the show.
        Check out the source of who is producing these radical videos.
        If you don't watch Fox regularly, check out Cavuto ( weekly ) and on Sat.the morning business shows (interesting discussions on the economy and Washington legislation )

      2. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's the stuff!

        American shows like this never report news. If you want to know what's really going on tune in to the joint ABC/BBC/Deutsche welle/PBR radio news, and hear both sides of each argument with intelligent questions and answers from the expert bi-partisan panels from each source.
        Then go hear it from Fox CNN or any of these "news" shows.
        Half the time it has been distorted just to be more sensational, or to make political mileage out of.

        Just like the Video does. Just lies to make money with, feeding an uninformed public that prefer it that way! smile
        Ignorance by choice!

        1. Sab Oh profile image61
          Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          roll

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          My point exactly, Earnest!  I didn't post the link for informational purposes but to show there are many links which make some believe what they want.

          One must dig really deep to get correct information these days.  As stated previously, I depend on no one source for political info.  But this is just me, others are satisfied only with those which agree with their viewpoint, right or wrong.

          I am sorry there was so much death, destruction, theft, and greed, because many of us trusted our government not to lie in order to get access to the oil in Iraq.  Others see it as a minor mistake and wish to distance themselves from this tragedy.

          They are still anxious to put the same party back in that allowed this fiasco to happen.  They learned nothing by their bad choices and feel no responsibility for their part in it.

          What will their excuse be next time?

          1. rhamson profile image74
            rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Randy I agree with you that it is incumbent upon the individual to listen to many different sources and determine on their own whether a story has merit or not. 

            The scary scenario from this video is that we may never see what is the story and how it affects us and our families because of some companies bottom line.  And when you have government agencies covering up their own blunders and allowing the practice to continue the lawyers take over and all truth and justice ends.

            With a reported 3 billion dollar investment for the purchase of Fox, Rupert Murdock has a lot to lose if his "news" organizations begin to show cracks in their reporting practices.  I really wonder how many lawyers work for Fox and what other "editing" is taking place on any real news stories by the network.

          2. Sab Oh profile image61
            Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            "many of us trusted our government not to lie in order to get access to the oil in Iraq. "

            And it didn't.

        3. rhamson profile image74
          rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Earnest it is like any other situation in the American culture.  We pay ministers to tell us what we want to hear in church, we elect paid off politicians to represent us and our interests and why shouldn't we pay to listen to the lies we wish to believe with news reporting.

          It almost sounds like a totalitarian mindset doesn't it?

    16. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

      this is the story for those who don't know about it. this happened years ago. the news still hasn't reported to the public about what's put in our milk. we find out from other sources.
      even walmart now has milk without rBGH/rBST.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1pKlnhvg0

      1. rhamson profile image74
        rhamsonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What I have to ask is what is the governments position on it?  Is the FDA afraid some heads will roll or what?  Cover ups are hard to prove and the lawyers know it.

        Look at Watergate and the Iran Contra deal.

        "When a government takes over a people’s economic life it becomes absolute, and when it has become absolute it destroys the arts, the minds, the liberties and the meaning of the people it governs."
        Maxwell Anderson

    17. rebekahELLE profile image92
      rebekahELLEposted 6 years ago

      good question. like I mentioned earlier, it's deep pockets of these multi-national corporations that own us. Monsanto has powerful lobbyists and influence in our federal govt. I don't have time this morning to get into it, but we know money runs the world. if our food and drink has dangerous additives doesn't seem to matter to the FDA. google dangerous food additives. I also wrote a hub about it. people need to be better informed. that's what news should be doing.
      http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/rbgh2.cfm

    18. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 6 years ago

      It's probably not very constructive to indulge untrue delusions. The only ones who seem to believe Obama has supernatural powers are conservatives.

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      Madame Xposted 6 years ago

      If we thought that we would have voted for him hmm

      1. Buck Steiner profile image60
        Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Or asked for a pony

    20. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Madame, you mean pant SUITS!

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        Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No I don't.

    21. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Randy, I haven't heard you speak out about Iraq since Obama was elected. You've said plenty about Bush's Iraq, but now that it's Obama's, you've been pretty quiet. Do you think it's okay that we still have about 100,000 troops there?

    22. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago
      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Got me goin too. I watched 3 of them! Thanks UW. smile

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      Madame Xposted 6 years ago

      Kennedy was a murderer. He deserves what he gets.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Laura Bush is a murderer too...what does she deserve?

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          Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No she wasn't. She didn't run away, drunk, from a dying woman in a car.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Some said she was drunk, but unlike you and Buck, I had rather not make a judgment without knowing anything for sure.  You don't like it when others accuse your side of the same thing, do you?  Surprise, surprise!

            1. JWestCattle profile image59
              JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              ?????? you say this after your comments about Kennedy?  A known and accepted boondoggle of a situation?  How did Laura Bush ever enter into this conversation.  How about that guy that supposedly committed suicide during Clinton's Admin. ?  You all want to put your sharp and analytical minds to work, work on that one.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Known and accepted?  Are you speaking for everyone or just yourself?

                Can't we just speculate and make things up like you guys?  Or can republicans only do that?

                1. JWestCattle profile image59
                  JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  ....uh, hello, you guys are saying Laura Bush committed murder?  Get real.  And most of the country thought, and thinks, Kennedy was the player responsible.  Why don't you hire a pollster for just that question?  To even speak of Laura Bush in the same breath as Kennedy is insulting.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Now you are speaking for most of the country?  Did we elect you too?  I didn't accuse Laura of being a murderer.  I would need proof for that.  You apparently need no proof, just assumptions and speculation.  You are not speaking for me or anyone else I am aware of.  Why not just speak for yourself.

                    1. JWestCattle profile image59
                      JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Oh, sorry, did you set the record straight here already in regard to Laura Bush?  Or did you let the equating of Laura with Kennedy continue and allow it to feed your own rhetoric?  I must be mistaken, as I was fairly sure you did.  And as for speaking for the country, I believe I suggested you foot the bill for a poll regarding Kennedy's part in what was surely murder or negligent homicide, not speaking for the country, just suggesting that you let the country speak......

            2. Buck Steiner profile image60
              Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Some said Kennedy was drunk, mainly Kennedy himself! WTF???

              1. habee profile image90
                habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The officers who responded to the accident said no alcohol was involved. It's on Snopes and other sites.

                1. Arthur Fontes profile image90
                  Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  On Saturday morning, the cleanup began.

                  Kennedy began making phone calls to lawyers. Two fishermen, meanwhile, had spotted the car in the pond.

                  By the time the senator made it to the police station, about 10 a.m., Kopechne's body had already been recovered.

                  From the Boston Globe:

                  http://www.boston.com/news/nation/artic … aquiddick/

                2. habee profile image90
                  habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I was talking about the Laura Bush accident - not Kennedy's!

        2. JWestCattle profile image59
          JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You have now proven yourself in need of professional help, and unworthy of anyone, liberal, conservative, socialist, independent, anyone -- ever --  responding to one foul word or foul thought you utter.

          1. Buck Steiner profile image60
            Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Actually that happened quite a while back, I just can't seem to help myself.

            1. JWestCattle profile image59
              JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Don't tell me I've misquoted the lune of love mychris?  Sorry, if I did, and Buck, you'll just have to 'splain' if so.

          2. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            madame x said:

            "Kennedy was a murderer. He deserves what he gets."

            I am pointing out that Laura Bush is a murderer too...she killed someone, isn't that the correct term?
            Because Kennedy's incident was an accident too...he didn't set out to deliberately kill someone....
            Same as Laura Bush.
            Yet you vindictive Righty's have hounded Kennedy for 50 years.
            Nobody is hounding Laura Bush...unless you'd like us to?

            Democrats wouldn't do that anyway...Reagan was given a respectful death, and even had a statue unveiled of him By President Obama!!!!!

            You all, on the other hand, continue to hound a dead man with no regards for his family or hers.

            I'm glad you don't want anything to do with me, because the feeling is mutual!  DITTO TIMES 100!

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              Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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              1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                  Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Dang it Buck . . . I deleted that!

                  1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                    Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So did I, that was baaaaaaaaaad

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                      Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Thank you

            2. JWestCattle profile image59
              JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, ditto, a gazillion times to you!  And you'd do well to get up to snuff on what constitutes murder, generally it is accomplished with intent.  bye now lovey, hope you expand your horizons, a dictionary would be a grand first start!

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I pity anyone who has you sitting on a jury deciding their fate.  You "don't need no stinking evidence."  Psychic, huh?

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          Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why are you jumping to the conclusion that I would be compassionless if on a jury? An innocent man does not need to pay his victim's family millions over an "accident".

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Think about it Mrs. psychic.  If a wealthy and important person, such as Ted Kennedy, wanted to kill someone would he have done the deed himself?  If he was half as sneaky and low as you contend he would have had someone else do the job for him while he was miles away.

            I cannot envision a scenario where he would plan to arrange the accident with him being involved like it happened.  Nor would he have the circumstances turn out like they did.  Even O.J. had a better plan.  Yes, he was probably drinking and that may have contributed to the accident, but your speculation is just that.  Anything involving him would ruin his political aspirations, as it did.

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              Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Oh for heaven's sake! At FIRST it was an accident. But it became murder when he ran away. What on earth is so difficult to grasp here?

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                yankeedoodleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Ancient history anyway...off topic i think?

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                  Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Uh, what exactly does it look like we're discussing here?

              2. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Wow!  You really don't know the law, do you?

                1. Buck Steiner profile image60
                  Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Well she is damn close, much closer than you are.

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                  Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh spare me. If he had crashed in the pond and done everything he could to save her it wouldn't have been murder. Because he was drunk it was. And then compounded by the fact that he ran away. I may not know the exact terms in law but I fully understand the concepts.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    May not know the exact terms?  Don't have a clue about the exact terms, you should say.  Hey, ask Buck.  A former PO may have a little better grasp of the legal terms and charges than you or I.  How bout it Buck, is your helper correct?  If someone leaves the scene of an accident are they murderers in the eyes of the law?

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                      Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      If that person is in mortal danger they are. If the person who caused the accident is drunk and then leaves, definitely.

                3. JWestCattle profile image59
                  JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Apparently, it is difficult to grasp the fact the Kennedy was in his high male ego prime and acted on impulse, someone died, and his family helped him make it all go away.......and idiots here think this woman's death is somehow equivalent to someone who died in a car accident with Laura Bush? 

                  That is so much bogus crap, and just shows the liberals will use anyone, anything, to try to make a point, and it is so disgusting, so disheartening, and so very detrimental to the liberal cause.  Further, I'm surprised that any conservative here has even bothered to respond to such insanity -- including myself.

            2. Buck Steiner profile image60
              Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              There are all these laws on the books covering vehicular homicide and I don't think one lists as an element of the offense that the act had to be planned!!!

              He by statute committed a homicide!

    24. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

      The results were the same. Two people died.

      One perpetrator you condemn and vilify...the other you pat on the head and pacify; "There there Laura, we know you didn't mean it...."

      You have a double-standard, as with everything else. Like, where's the proof Kennedy never felt any remorse? You said it...you must know, right? Wrong. You just said it cause you felt like it. Nobody jumps on your every word, however, like you do.

      So, when did Kennedy say he felt no remorse? If you knew anything about it, you would know he felt great remorse. His whole political career after that was trying to make up for it. You  may  not know, but at his funeral, there were masses of people he had helped...the ignored of society...he never ignored them.

      But that never matters to you reactionary ideologues.
      Nor the fact that Obama had that ceremony for the unveiling of Reagans statue...with Nancy and her family.
      It was just one of the many nice moments reaching across the aisle that Obama has tried to do.
      At least Nancy Reagan was human enough to respond in kind. She hugged Obama right back.

      ooooooo. Traitor!!!!

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        yankeedoodleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        A moment of agreement and not more agreeing to diagree...maybe both parties can learn from that?

    25. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago

      CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE.  (a) A person
      commits an offense if he causes the death of an individual by
      criminal negligence.

      Leaving a victim inside a car underwater without rendering aid would be criminal negligence!

      Wow, You don't really know the laws!

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        yankeedoodleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps back on topic would help here..Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, all of them...not providing news but their personal opinion, in my opinion. All the stations care about is providing entertainment, improved rating, and making money...just my opinion....

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          Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          These things meander yankee . . . roll with it. It'll come back 'round in due course smile

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          Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Making money, yeah, but even that's secondary to manipulating public opinion for their power-mad plans.

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      Madame Xposted 6 years ago

      Kennedy pleaded "guilty" - got that? GUILTY - to leaving the scene of an accident. Are you saying he didn't know she was left in the car?

      Murder!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I suppose he could have stayed there and just used his cell phone to call for help, right?  Do you remember him saying he tried to get her out?  Or do you just pick and choose things which your party tells you to believe?  Silly question! Of course you do!

        1. Buck Steiner profile image60
          Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Kennedy said? Why would you believe a murderer?

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      Madame Xposted 6 years ago

      Serbia

    28. Arthur Fontes profile image90
      Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago

      If I am not mistaken didn't Teddy go home and sleep a few hours before even notifying authorities.  He left the girl in the river until he had a chance to sleep it off.

      I dunno maybe I am wrong.  I think most people would have seen jail time if their name had not been Kennedy.

    29. Buck Steiner profile image60
      Buck Steinerposted 6 years ago

      Manson killed Shea! You can argue it until the range fed cows come home but you would be wrong.

      So to make a long drawn out thread about killers end, the difference is Bush never conspired to kill anyone, Bush never conspired to kill anyone and one last time, Bush never conspired to kill anyone!

      Kennedy left the scene of an accident leaving a helpless woman to drown and didn't report it until 8 hours later! His corpse should be dug up and hung for being the scumbag he was!

      Remember now, Bush never conspired to kill anyone, so the Manson connection fails miserably!

    30. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

      You people are kidding yourself if you actually believe that if it had been Kennedy and not Laura Bush under those exact same circumstances you would not still be calling him a murderer.

      As for Kennedy's accident, none of us know exactly what went on as none of us were there. And none of us know how we would have reacted under the exact same circumstances.

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        Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I most certainly would not have acted as he did. If you're not certain of yourself, say so.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          She didn't know you were psychic either, X!  Give her a break!

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            Madame Xposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            She assumed no one would know how they would react in similar circumstances. Yes, you can know how you would respond. If you have a genuine care for others, it would NEVER even occur to you to leave the scene until you did everything you could to be sure everyone was ok.

            If UW isn't sure that she cares that much about others, then she should say so and not recklessly assume everyone is as unaware.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              How many times have you crashed a car into the water, X?  After someone stays underwater for a while they drown.  Simple as that.

              You can say what you wish but you have no idea what you would do under similar circumstances.  It's easy to judge others when you are not in their shoes. 

              Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face with a shotgun.  No one was allowed to question him for quite some time.  Like Kennedy, he was trying for spin control after the fact.  He had his political career to consider.  He even got the guy to apologize for getting shot.   

              If I followed yours and JWC's logic, Cheney is an attempted murderer.  If the guy had died (thank goodness he didn't) I would not state adamantly that he was a murderer even though I detest the scoundrel.  So you can't have it both ways.  But I bet you think you can.

              1. JWestCattle profile image59
                JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You are really reaching........

                So, how many drowning victims have you rescued, pumped water out and air in, to their lungs, after what period of time?  Share with us your personal medical EMT knowledge, and whatever else you want to add, so lamely, to this continued defense of what again 'most of the country' considers a screw up of that Kennedy -- I think you should fund a poll -- better yet, maybe there has already been a poll in that regard -- rather than a jury of peers - a poll of peers.....

                Cheney?  You give up on implicating Laura Bush, and now you bring in Cheney as an equivalent situation to Kennedy?  Who started this crap?  It is insane, and shows the utter desperation and stupidity of left wing liberal goobers.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I never implicated Laura Bush in the first place, no matter how many times you say it, it still isn't true!  And you still do not speak for "most of the country" no matter how bad you want to.

                  I never stated it wasn't a screw up either.  But a screw up still doesn't equate to murder.  Ask Dumbya or Buck!  Laura Bush screwed up by running a stop sign by her own admission.  Dick Cheyney screwed up by his own admission.  Ted did the same. 

                  But you seem to think only republicans should get away with screw ups.  I disagree and have no personal knowledge of any of the accidents, just as you don't.  You nor X were there and neither was I.  You have no more knowledge of the facts than I do.

                  For your information, I was once a lifeguard and have saved people's lives.  I also know a car in the water at night is not easy to locate or to retrieve an unconscious body from. 

                  Left wing liberal goobers, huh.  Personal attacks help your cause tremendously.

                  1. Sab Oh profile image61
                    Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    " I also know a car in the water at night is not easy to locate or to retrieve an unconscious body from.  "


                    Pretty much impossible when you are swimming away from it...

                2. Sab Oh profile image61
                  Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  "Cheney?  You give up on implicating Laura Bush, and now you bring in Cheney as an equivalent situation to Kennedy?  Who started this crap?  It is insane, and shows the utter desperation and stupidity of left wing liberal goobers."

                  Sometimes a person starts in on defending a position only to realize too late that it is infefensible. Get the ego involved and he may feel he's in too deep to let it go no matter how ridiculous it makes him look. Kinda funny, really.

              2. Sab Oh profile image61
                Sab Ohposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                ... roll

            2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
              Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Well, we would all like to know we would do the right thing. However, this has never happened to me so I can't say how I would react.  It has nothing to do with whether or not I care about others. That is actually personally insulting to me that you would say that.

        2. JWestCattle profile image59
          JWestCattleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          TO UW and Godwin:  ??????  Laura Bush would not have reacted to Kennedy's circumstance in the same way. Laura Bush is a completely different individual than that particular Kennedy.  Bogus argument. 

          And if Kennedy had had the same accident as Laura Bush -- the view of law enforcement, and the public -- would be completely different -- as she is a woman of integrity, a woman of grace, a woman with none of the baggage of Kennedy.  bogus argument.  Kennedy in the same accident as Laura, which had police involved, would not have had the shadow of murder stalking him, he would just be locked up, if it was clear he was responsible, and no bribes changed things, that he was Drunk or ticked, Randy, and responsible for death of another human by negligent homicide, which Laura Bush was not, and even with clear evidence of guilt, Kennedy would have never served much jail time, if any, that's America at it's worst....

          ......and you people spend so much time attacking the nuevo conservative rich and taxes, when it is the truly old rich that keep you tucked away and down where you are and give lip service to the American dream. Sad.

          (the whole of the country just told me that in a mass email.  smile )

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Uninvited Writer!  I'm glad someone on this thread can READ!

    31. Misha profile image75
      Mishaposted 6 years ago

      While you are arguing guys, Bush and Obama are running away with your money smile

      1. Arthur Fontes profile image90
        Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We do not have any money.  All we have are legal instruments of debt.

        1. Misha profile image75
          Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So you mean - then let them run away? OK, your country, your call smile

          1. Arthur Fontes profile image90
            Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No I am saying with hyperinflation looming over our shoulders the dollar isn't the best investment for the future.  I have seen used vehicle prices skyrocket in the past year.

            Right now I would rather have 10 $2000.00 Honda Civics then $20,000 dollars.

            1. Misha profile image75
              Mishaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              LOL I would rather have $2000 under the mattress than any of your choices. Well, I have them smile

              I expect a noticeable period of severe deflation, before hyperinflation comes. In fact it already started - but this all goes way off-topic smile

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              yankeedoodleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              It all started down hill with Reagan, More with Clinton and Nafta, Bush having us believe give the rich a tax break and they would invest in businesses and new jobs, along with more Nafta antics. They've all failed us, both parties. Now Obama, cursed with having to fix it all. If it hadnt been him McCain would have been faced with the same dilemna. And in the end, all we have are two parties who can accomplish nothing but to disagree...The old ways obviously haven't worked and newer ideas, even if controversial need to be tried if we ever hope to crawl out of this mess.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Very true.

              2. Arthur Fontes profile image90
                Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this



                You can take that back to 1933. The old ways would work, it is the new corporation society that is the problem.  When the people became chattel to cover debt any resemblance of real wealth in the population was lost.

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                  yankeedoodleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I disagree, the old ways worked in their day...To be competive today we need to lead in new technologies. Young people, not my age or the ancients (some in political power into their 90's) can lead us in a new direction towards our future. The plants are gone, and in my opinion not coming back. We need to get back to basics. Technology is the wave of the future, we need to start acting like Americans and not greedy consumers looking for the cheap product at the cost of American jobs. We've already traveled that road, and here we are, boring money and owned by third world countries.

                  1. Arthur Fontes profile image90
                    Arthur Fontesposted 6 years ago in reply to this




                    We can get back to basics with new technology.  Look at the programmers making money coding phone apps.  They are college kids sitting in a dorm.  Small business is what started this country and it will be small business that maintains us in the future.  You really do not disagree.

                    I do not know how to combat greed.

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                      yankeedoodleposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      I agree, the young people have the knowledge to lead. It's time to let them in the drivers seat. Small business is the answer. Big box stores take your money and ship it to off shore accounts. People "think" they're saving money and they're saving nothing. All they are doing is helping to put this country further and further behind the eight ball, owned by foreign interests.

    32. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      Back to the Kennedy thing - I don't think Teddy planned Mary Jo's death. I don't think he could have rescued her in the dark. He did, however, show extremely bad judgment in drinking and driving and by not reporting the accident for 10 hours.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have never said anything different.  But bad judgment was evident in all of the aforementioned accidents, no matter the party.  But some seem to think it's only a crime when Teddy did it.

    33. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago

      Randy, Habee, shades is starting a 30 minute hub challenge in 9 minutes. Wanna play?

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks, Pandora, but we're too busy solving the world's problems! lol

        1. Pandoras Box profile image82
          Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well good to know ya'll are on the job. Carry on, then!

      2. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks PB, but been there, done that!

    34. Pandoras Box profile image82
      Pandoras Boxposted 6 years ago

      jwest, up for a 30 minute rant?

    35. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago

      No, Randy, I'm not happy with the results, except that Hussein is gone. And I think Afghanistan is going to turn into another Vietnam. As I've told you before, I don't think the US should be the world's police.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Bush started both wars, but finished neither of them.  His cronies made a few bucks though which was the driving force for the war in the first place.

        Perhaps someone can clean up his mess for him!

     
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