In my humble opinion, the Arizona immigration law is not racist. I'll tell you why. Yes, and this cannot be argued, most illegal immigrants in Arizona are Hispanic, but the law targets illegal immigrants, not illegal Hispanic immigrants.
As a worker in a bank, I help illegal immigrants all the time (I know because I can see if they have an SSN or ITIN). While most of these illegals are Hispanic, I have helped many Asian and Indian illegal immigrants as well. That law targets them too.
Additionally, the Arizona law does not permit the random checking of papers. They can only be checked if there is already another offense being committed, so the hysteria that random Hispanics will be stopped that the ignorant masses seem to be worried about is a null point.
I'm a libertarian, but when it comes to illegal immigration, I want them out, and that goes for illegals of every race. I don't care if they're from Europe and white as snow. Their cost far outweighs the benefits. Yes, they pick the fruit and clean our houses. Well if somebody breaks into your house, do let them stay because they did the dishes. And how would you feel if the whole neighborhood came down on you demanding you accommodate the robber?
What do you guys think? Keep it civil, please.
From everything I have read, the law in Arizona is about the same as the law in every other state, and the federal law. The only difference I see is that they are making a point of enforcing it.
IT'S THE GREATEST LAW PASSED IN FIFTY YEARS! and to those that don't understand it? As-well,as the 14th AMENDMENT,get out the history books and start reading! BUT, the history book has to have been printed in the 50's or earlier! IT WAS TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN OF SLAVES BORN IN AMERICA! SLAVES WERE FORCED TO COME TO AMERICA,ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS,THEY CAME HERE KNOWING!, THAT THERE BREAKING THE LAW WHEN THEY CROSSED THAT BOARDER! SO,all you bleeding- hear-ted butt-wipes, ROUND UP YOU'RE ILLEGAL FRIENDS WITH ALL THOSE ANTI AMERICAN DAMN-O-CRAPS WHOSE IMMIGRATION REFORM IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR AMNESTY! NO MORE FREE RIDES! ALL FOR THE MIGHTY POWER OF THE VOTE! The truth is, that they don't give two craps about you ,or anyone else in this country! HISTORY PROVES THAT! There only care is,THE PARTY!
It's a wonderful law. Too bad Arizona was FORCED to do this in the first place.
It's not an immigration law.
It's simply a law to enforce existing ILLEGAL immigration laws.
When I go to the bank, dmv, insurance office... etc. I show Identification. Does that make them racist? Hardly.
There is nothing in the law that is profiling... that's all media hype. The law addresses profiling very specifically.
I believe that people who live hundreds of miles away from the Mexican border tend to think of the citizens of Arizona to be a bunch of backward thinking racists.
I don't think a person from New York would be reading to much about a drug war that's going on in Sonora and wouldn't realize just how big of a problem it is.
People living on the border hear about what goes on in Sonora and realize that the people we want to keep out are not the 'tired poor hungry' of Ellis island - but dangerous warlords and drug soldiers.
Border control ICE only deport the worst of the worst back. If you're only crime in being undocumented - then nothing is done to you.
Right now there are 300 men holed up in Tubutama - the story read like a Hollywood movie at http://borderreporter.com/2010/07/ice-c … eam-first/
While problems with illegal aliens might be more visible in Arizona at the moment, don't assume that people in New York and other states don't share the same concerns. There are similar problems in the Northeast. The hospitals and school systems are overburdened with people who use the services but don't contribute to the system. Gang activity and criminal behavior have resulted from an influx of illegal aliens from Central America. Hit and run accidents that leave pedestrians dead or severely injured are on the rise as a result of unlicensed illegals fleeing accident scenes to avoid detection.
I'm neither a racist nor an alarmist and I tend to see both sides of every argument. In this case I would support Arizona's effort as long as it is enforced fairly.
Obama who's aunt is an illegal alien and I don't think has ever lived near the border obviously doesn't share the Arizonians concerns. The promise of more security to Arizona has not materialized.
When I was looking at this site, I checked the 'Most Educated State' list. Vermont came in #1 as the 'Most Educated'. Guess which state got the dunce cap of #50. Yep, Arizona.
Just a thought Doug. Perhaps it is the number of undocumented people holed up in Arizona that is keeping them at the bottom of this list.
My apologies for not including a link.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/edu_be … ated-index
"DEFINITION: "This fourth Smartest State designation is awarded based on 21 factors chosen from Morgan Quitno’s annual reference book, Education State Rankings, 2005-2006. Featuring four new factors, this year’s award de-emphasizes spending for public schools and instead measures states based on student achievement, positive outcomes and personal attention from teachers." - Morgan Quitno Press
Doesn't have anything to do with the performance of illegal aliens.
Let me see if I have this right.
Arizona passes a law that you disagree with so the population of the entire state are dunces?
Is that right?
Isn't that what conservatives think of states that allow gay marriage?
I do not think every citizen in states that allow gay marriage are dunces.
If I'm not mistaken there has only been 1 state that put the issue up for vote and it was voted down.
Of course the liberal elite in that state said that those voting against gay marriage were morons.
But that's the usual M.O. for the left.
...but the illegals do go to the public schools, so they are a part of those statistics...right?
If you click on the particular state, you will see the statistic on reading scores, math score, writing scores, grade level, # of bachelor's degrees. It's a very skewed listing because it basically favors the northeast and midwest because it has a strong higher education structure and industries that require advanced degrees like financial companies and banking and other knowledge-based industries instead of manufacturing. Meanwhile Arizona, California, a lot of the southern states, Texas, another border state and where there is a large presence of illegal children who speak another language as a primary language, and where there is a huge drop-out rate for this group will definitely affect the statistics. It's really a kind of bogus list. But what else is new
When I lived in San Diego, people close to the border had to put up with these illegal leaving diapers, and "ripped" clothing near their property. If they are here illegal do you think they are not bring diseases over also, because they have not been properly immunized? Isnt there and outbreak of SmallPox here in the USA non like they seen in over 50 years? If you break the law that is a gaurantee ticket back to mexico, but if you worked, and but your time to good use. welcome to America we need you.
Wow! A topic that's never been discussed here before.
The Arizona law is spot on. If the Feds don't want Arizona to enforce the law, they need to start enforcing it themselves.If there is an instance of racial profiling it can be addressed in the courts. Enforcing the immigration law trumps "political correctness" and the fear that someone will think they are being racially profiled. If someone decides that most of the illegal immigrants in the neighborhood are white ladies (or most of the terrorists for that matter) I would be perfectly willing to show my ID when asked. I have nothing to hide (aside from a little abdominal fat)so I would not be offended at all. We need to get over this irrational fear that OH! NO! we might offend someone. Deal with it people!
The AZ. law is a great thing, and many more states should be passing one just like it any time.
new maps (see in the link below) suggest that if a state wants an educated workforce that creates a strong middle class and high tax base, it might want to avoid high immigration.
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/node/ … id=1076012
I do't see how a law which only affects illegal immigrants is racist. The only reason it is being portrayed as racist is because most of the people wo will be affected are mexican illegals.
As alegal immigrant I can see why people find it hard to imigrate legally. It is time consuming, expensive, and awkward.
However all this means is that the immigration process needs fixing, it doesnt give people a right to migrate illegally in to another country.
Soli, it is much more than this.... Undocumented aren't the only ones who will be affected... At least in this nation there is a nasty track record across the board concerning profiling...
You fell victim to this yourself...."Mexican illegals"... Are undocumented Mexican? Or are some of them Mexican.... How many Hondurans, Guatamalans, Salvadoreans, Chileans, Thai, Armenians, Russian, Israeli, and of other diverse national origins are there?
How do you identify "Mexican?"
A former roommate of my girlfriend is from Argentina...(who pretty much have all come from Europe by the way). She is blonde haired, blue-eyed, and speaks perfect English... Her clothes are top of the line, and her family is well off....they are not on food stamps, welfare, medicare, and they pay property taxes, sales tax, DMV fees......
When she gets pulled over is she going to be asked for her papers, or her phone number? (cops are notorious, at least the guys, for hitting on the ladies). If she is walking down the street is she going to be suspected of potentially being undocumented, or will the potentially male cops be checking out her physique?
Who is being asked for their papers? Who is being targeted?
This issue also does a few careless other things...
At UCLA last week some former students were showing film about a sweatshop that was raided by federal agents. Undocumented, these women lived in basically a prison... The suburban house had its window's blacked out and shaded from the inside, there was barbed wire atop the surrounding walls...and there they lived making cents per day making clothes for Robinsons May and several other stores (I wonder what country their tags say state as the place of manufacture).... These women were not collecting welfare....they were not on food stamps...and they were not committing crimes, at least not of their own free will.... They came not realizing that they were going to be considered criminals...these women had no idea what they were getting in to.... At least for them it was making clothes.....what happens to those who deal with worse "job duties?"
But the freedom to pay the Walmart price demands that others are not free.....and the illicit sex trade somehow is less of an interest than turning neighbor against neighbor..
These undocumented are left out of the whole depiction...and this is, in my mind, the model more fitting the norm of undocumented experience than the stereotype put forward by nativist "patriots." Who is the criminal? Who should be punished?
The attack on the undocumented is comparable to complaining about a tree root that has infiltrated part of your sewage line when the "pipe" leading from further down the line and clear out to the street was made of folded roofing paper...which has basically disintegrated...
We have bigger problems, and there are real criminals to capture to bring a halt to business supported illegal employment.....and spend funds and mobilize more personnel to crack down on human and weapons trafficking..
I will leave out for brevities sake the undermining roles of American businesses and other interests throughout the Western Hemisphere...driving dischord, discontent, and population displacement...
The discourse of the undocumented in the United States creates ambiguous identities and legal concepts that are then used to target an entire population, regardless of reality..
It is interesting to point out how the support for this law came from the predominantly white and upper class regions in the north..whereas different ideas are prevalent along the border itself, which has been drawing less and less people for the past 3 to 4 years regardless....
Cognitive dissonance can be a butt-kicker....
What you're describing are the unavoidable failings of human nature. All kinds of laws are abused by Americans-DAILY. This doesn't mean there's something wrong with the laws....
You make a good point regards other pressing issues though-in fact it's a pet peeve of mine. The huge threat for America is the smuggling in of terrorists, and yes, many have come in already-more are coming.
As you say human trafficing and weapons smuggling are also problems. The solution? Seal up the border. Failing that, Arizona is simply doing what it can to put a dent in a problem that's right in front of their faces.
"Sealing the border" is a false idea.... Many undocumented persons did not cross the border literally... They came in with visas of different types, and have overstayed..or have been brought in through a variety of means...including in containers loaded on ships...
Arizona was not "forced" into this issue.... Political pandering at its basest level is...... How far have we come to sink back so low....
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