jump to last post 1-5 of 5 discussions (7 posts)

The Truth About the Irish Economy

  1. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 6 years ago


    Yesterday, 30th September 2010, the Irish Government was forced to admit that its lies and spin about the Irish economy were just that.

    Yesterday the Irish Government were forced to admit that they had got it totally wrong about the bank bail-out that they had guaranteed two years ago. The Irish Government had to buy Allied Irish Bank yesterday with monies from the national pension reserve fund. The Irish Government were also forced to admit that the final bill for bailing-out Anglo Irish Bank could be in excess of 35 Billion, leaving the Irish Tax payer will exposure of at least 65 Billion Euro.

    American companies that have exposure of at least 220 Billion in Ireland watched on in silence yesterday to see if Ireland was going to sink or swim. As it stands Ireland is in more financial difficulty than Greece or Spain were at their lowest point. While Greece was bailed-out by the European Commission the reality is that Ireland is in so much debt that it will take the IMF to step in and take control if the Irish Government does not deliver sustainable economic projections.

    The Irish Government have to date brutalised the workers in Ireland with levies, tax increases and a myriad of other stealth charges, while at the same time they have allowed the wealthy in Ireland to continue with business as normal. The Irish Government, property speculators and bankers, are all equally guilty of treason against the Irish nation. These three groups of people, collectively known as the Golden Circle, have left over 450,000 Irish people unemployed, 50,000 Irish people homeless or on their way to being homeless, children are being refused life saving surgery as there are no resources, yet this same Government could spend over 50,000 Euro on a drunken session in Galway two weeks ago.

    The Irish Prime Minister, Brian Cowen and his Ministers have become the laughing stock of the modern world, the result of which is that the international monetary markets are demanding higher interest rates for our borrowings as the Irish Government is no longer trusted by anyone with a brain cell in their head. Ireland needs a new Government, a Government that can be trusted and in turn restore faith in the Irish economy. Brian Cowen and his bunch of economically stupid Ministers must be removed from office as they never were and never will be fit for purpose.

    Back ground:

    Writing in Saturday’s (22nd, May 2010) Irish Times.com, Prof Kelly, who originally predicted the economic crisis, said the open-ended guarantee of banks’ liabilities and the Nama bailout will leave the Republic with a “a worse ratio of debt to national income than the one that is sinking Greece” by 2012.

    For too long the Irish people have been inundated with the wall to wall lies being pushed out by Government spin doctors and other intellectual mouth-pieces about the ‘financial crises in Ireland. These intellectual mouth-pieces are nothing more than begging dogs at their Fianna Fail masters table. Intellectual mouth-pieces who are untouched by the very financial crisis who’s reality they blur with their self serving statistics and tabloid pleasing sound bites.
    In America those to the right have tried to suggest that Liberal Democrats held the banks at gun point until they handed over all their cash to the underclass and other undeserving sections of American society who could not wait to get into some real debt. The problem with this right wing theory is the fact that Congress was under the watchful eye of right wing Republican prudence at that time. The lie that the little people were the core cause and beneficiaries of multi-billion dollar fraud and corruption is easily exposed.

    To understand Ireland’s financial crisis it is essential to look at the American model. The financial crisis that has dominated political and banking institutions around most of the industrialised world in recent years was and remains of Herculean proportions. When I say most of the industrialised world I mean that countries such as Canada were able to avoid the flaming pits of financial ruin. Canada was able to do a number of things right that both America and Ireland done real bad. Canada limited leverage, Canada protected consumers, and more importantly Canada ensured that unfettered capitalism and greed were not allowed to ride rough shot over the people. Canada unlike Ireland and America regulated the financial institutions rather than simply pay lip service to regulation.

    Irish economists Gregory Connor, Thomas Flavin and Brian O ‘Kelly have taken some considered time to look at the realities that brought both the USA and Ireland to their financial knees, from the research of Connor, Flavin and O’Kelly it quickly becomes clear that many of the core causes of America’s financial crisis are not present in the Irish situation. Similarly many of the core causes of Ireland’s financial melt down are not found in the American situation.

    After two years of listening to the Government’s spin doctors and intellectual mouth-pieces telling us that our financial crises was simply a mirror image of the American crisis we now establish that this is at best untrue. Ireland was driven into a real estate cul de sac by the Government, the banks and the property speculators. In many cases this triangulation is firmly joined, with even the Irish Prime Minister opening a property portfolio in Ireland and further a field. The mantra of the Fianna Fail government and their cheer leaders was to, “spend, spend, spend, buy, buy, buy”, just as British Prime Minister, Thatcher had done in the 1980s.

    Young educated and hard working Irish people were lead into a financial cul de sac from which they would not be able to return. Property prices in Dublin out stripped property prices in many of the Major cities in America, this inflated property market was then meet with a banking crisis not before seen in Ireland. This banking crisis brought on by an inept Government and failed regulatory system of checks and balances. The Government blinded by its own self serving had become nothing more than a performing monkey to the cheap financial lending houses of main land Europe.
    The Government now try to blame the ordinary people for the financial crisis, the very people who will for generations pay for this Government’s miserable failures and unending greed. The Irish Government constantly tell the people that they were elected to lead the country, yet they deny that leadership when their boom and bust policies are exposed to reasonable critique. Ireland’s financial crisis was not about ordinary people being greedy; it was not about big financial debt obligations, it was simply the tale of an inept Government being lead by its own self serving and excesses. The Government failed to regulate the finance institutions in a professional and transparent manner, it allowed unprecedented loans to be made to corrupt property speculators, it allowed banks to boost their own books by corrupt and criminal practices and now the same Government is to rob the Irish people once more in order to bail out their banking and property speculator pals.

    Ireland had some things in common with the financial crash in America. The authors of the new report point to four main causal similarities.

    1. In both countries property experts believed that while property prices were historically high, they would continue to rise, A case of wishful thinking rather than empirical evidence.

    2. In both countries there was a wash of cheap money. America was a wash with cheap money from China and in Ireland, Germany and other Euro zone countries provided the cheap capital.

    3. It was easy and made easy for big players to take big financial risks. Those who were in charge of the big financial houses knew well that they could do as they pleased. Directors could borrow tens of millions from their own banks without being held in check. Banks could transfer billions between each other to boost their accounts. Bankers knew that even if the shit hit the fan their multi-million Euro bonuses and pension packages would be safe. In America billions of dollars was paid to bankers for their ‘performance’ before their financial institutions went into liquidation.

    4. The other main cause was inept Government and their failure to provide financial regulation. This failure was due mainly to what is today described as the relationship within the Golden Circle. This circle or triangulation of corrupt Politicians, Bankers and Property Speculators meant that the very people charged with regulating the financial system were the very worst offenders, A bit like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.

    In America ideology played a major role in the direction of the economy, in Ireland this would not be the case. In Ireland it was more like a drunk winning the lottery. Ten years of unprecedented wealth in Ireland meant that the greedy got greedier, the haves had more and the have nots continued to have nothing. There was no trickle down economics in Ireland. While in America many politicians believed that ordinary people should own their own homes, politicians aspirations had little or no impact on the incentives offered by lenders. In Ireland the opposite was the case, the lending institutions became reckless as their loan books had government guarantees and first time home buyers and second property investors were wooed with incentives and feel good Government encouragement.

    While America ignored the lessons of Reaganism and Thatcherism, Ireland simply spent like a drunken sailor on home leave. Ireland was and remains absent of any Financial or political ideology, setting aside domestic sectarianism and historical nationalism. Ireland’s present economic philosophy of cut and burn fiscal rectifism is simply a longer journey up a similar cul de sac as the philosophy of boom and bust. Biffonian Economics can best describe the Irish Government’s present financial naval gazing. As the Irish Prime Minister, Brian Cowen (Biffo) buys time in order to take up a lucrative political posting in Brussels.

    It is clear that the Irish Government were the architect of the present financial crisis in Ireland. It is clear that America had similar yet different financial road signs as it drove off into the economic abyss. It is clear from the lessons of both America and Ireland that the Regulators are every bit as important as the regulations. Limiting both leverage and securitisation helped Canada to keep its head above water, yet, if these measures are entrusted to people who are beholding to the wrong doers as was certainly the case in Ireland, then it is not enough. The regulators must have the civic will and statutory power to stand up to the politicians, the bankers and the corrupt speculators.

    Consumers must be protected for they are the oil that drives the wheels of free enterprise, financial checks and balances must be over seen by an Independent, professional and able bodied watch dog. We can not return to a time in the not too distant past when those charged with regulation were nothing more than begging dogs at the table of the Golden Circle. We have failed to learn from the failures of Thatcherism and Reganism and if we do not deploy independent and prudent regulators armed with statutory instruments (similar to the Criminal Assets Bureau) we will continue to repeat the mistakes of the past and the present.


    1. weholdthesetruths profile image61
      weholdthesetruthsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know who wrote this, but sadly, whoever it has no idea what's going on in the US, nor the cause of the banking and credit crisis, nor why "managed capitalism' as the left wants is just the last step before complete financial meltdown.

  2. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 6 years ago

    So True smile

  3. theirishobserver. profile image61
    theirishobserver.posted 6 years ago

    weholdthesetruths - perhaps you could explain your version of the truth rather than just dismiss this version of events - thanks - smile

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image61
      weholdthesetruthsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There are no "versions of truth".    T here is truth and there is not truth.    Sadly, this bit has no connection to truth at all.

  4. CASE1WORKER profile image85
    CASE1WORKERposted 6 years ago

    I am afraid that i could not follow all the argument- however what is clear is that the  man in the street is being made to pay for the governments ineptness. Just as we will be doing but in our case I believe that Gordon Brown was pulled out when we had a chance- at least this lot will be honesst for a little while until the power corrupts

  5. Cheeky Girl profile image85
    Cheeky Girlposted 6 years ago

    I have visited Ireland in the last year with my partner, it's in poor shape, as we plainly saw (even my partner wrote about it in her first hub.) Ireland is known well for being "soft touch" when it comes to rules and regulations. But Irish people curiously seem to tolerate a lot of stupid governance there too. Why is that? A friend told me about cars that have some penalty tax incurred on them, which effectively double-taxes every vehicle in the country. And the cost of everything in Ireland is so high, yet no one could ever tell me why? And properties are over priced by a huge amount or they were until the prices collapsed.

    No one is buying in Ireland. What are people and businesses going to do for money? No raises, extra taxes and more levies on people's salaries? No loans available? No lending happening still. A country has to spend its way out of recession. Ireland's population cannot do that. And why is one in every three houses in Ireland lying idle and empty? How did it manage to over-build so many properties? I also know that there were people who warned the country it was sliding down a steep slope? Why did the Prime Minister at the time (Bertie Ahern) suggest that the guy who cried "Wolf!" commit suicide? Is he a total idiot?!

    At one point within the last decade, Ireland became the 7th richest country in the World. Now Brazil is having the boom that the Irish had. The 8th wealthiest country out there I think. It's unemployment fell to 6.1% and its building 100,000 new houses over the next 3 years and couples only have to repay them to the tune of Eur20 a month. (Checked this on France24.com)

    Standard & Poor see Ireland as a Basket case, and as for Anglo Irish Bank, it's worth, according to S&P, nothing whatsoever. Ireland is not like America and America can solve its problems better as it has more than one economy, actually it has three economies. America will pull out of recession. Slowly, but it will happen. I know Americans. They invented Capitalism.

    Ireland has serious issues, and Governance is highly evident in it's lack of planning and foresight. I do not know of any country who's people would allow such a thing to continue. Except Ireland, where nothing happens, and the people don't seem to care enough to do anything about it. Not even change their Government. Ireland needs new management, and after that, it needs all new rules, and if it can't manage its own financial affairs, they will be managed by someone higher up the food chain, like Brussels maybe. No one is taking responsibility. It makes me glad that Britain is not part of the EU Currency System, having your own currency can have its advantages in tough financial times. No one can tell you not to print more sterling. Whereas Europe can stop the Irish printing more Euros, now as it is using that currency. For what its worth, you have my sympathies.

    Cheeky Girl.