Tuesday's Mid-term Elections---maybe there's hope for the USA...

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Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago
I want the REPUBLIC back on-track! Maybe, just maybe, honest decent-minded people will once again have a voice in their Government. Maybe, just maybe, our Representatives won't shut out their constituents in town hall meetings like the Democrats did this past summer. And if they were to try it, we know we'll shout so loud they'll have to hear us! Republicans can hold their elected officials responsible, while apparently no Democrat even tried to hold their leadership responsible for their corrupt ways.
November 2 !!! Time to take back the HOUSE, and hopefully the Senate too!
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All we can do is wait.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I want the REPUBLIC back on-track! Maybe, just maybe, honest decent-minded people will once again have a voice in their Government.
  
  [Not likely, the teabaggers seem poised to win.]
  
  Maybe, just maybe, our Representatives won't shut out their constituents in town hall meetings like the Democrats did this past summer. And if they were to try it, we know we'll shout so loud they'll have to hear us!
  
  [And if that doesn't work, the teabaggers are advocating armed insurrection.]
  
  Republicans can hold their elected officials responsible...
  
  [They have no record of doing that, instead their record is full of international blunders, anti-constitutional shenanigans, and sex scandals.]
  
  November 2 !!! Time to take back the HOUSE, and hopefully the Senate too!
  
  [House yes, Senate not bloody likely. The good thing about their new roles (public officials rather than rabble rousers) is that they will no longer be able to run away from reporters. They will have to explain their positions (without referring to crib notes) and defend them. Their time will be incredibly short, their support comes from the oldest 20% of the population. Actuary tables will explain why this is a death sentence (pun intended) for teabaggers.]
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that insurrection talk is scary. I actually heard some local Tea Party idiots at another poker table talking about that if "they" (meaning us lyin, thieving' liberals) "stole" (meaning outvoted their disgusting choices) the elections, they would need a "revolution"
  
  It feels like 1860 all over again.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No different from Obama saying there would be "hand-to-hand combat" if the Republicans gained power. Well, yeah, actually a bit different, because he was talking about if Republicans legitimately gained power, whereas if Dems won by corruption, it would indeed be legitimate cause for a revolution.
  
  The thought of "1860" sounds no more radical than 2010 Chicago thuggery talk coming outta the mouth of the U.S. President.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh come on - these people are actually calling for revolution, not using rhetoric.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, when a Tea Party person says something, you perceive it as sincere? While, when Obama says it, it's not sincere?
  Are you on the wrong side or what? LOL
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Congress is obviously not going to duke it out physically. That's rhetoric.
  
  But when someone says they need to have a revolution if they lose an election, that is quite a but different.
  
  Your Tea Party pals can be very, very dangerous people.
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  Texasbetaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't act like a 5 year old Brenda, that is ridiculous. With regards to what side who is on, you want to go back to what go this country in this position. Obama was given 2 years to fix everything in the country, with Republicans in the Senate stopping every single action including appointing assist to the assistance to janitor, and you blame Obama. This is pathetic. Years from now, when my kids ask me what happened to the country, I will respond, "Idiots."
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am so unaccustomed to hearing sense from Texas. It is so encouraging! Are there more of you down there?
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  Texasbetaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My man, there are a few, but mainly in Austin. I very much appreciate the kind words.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm.... you might want to think, speak, and behave in a more adult manner yourself, Texasbeta, instead of judging me as immature.
  
  By the way, years from now, if my kids and grandkids ask me what happened to their Country between 2008 and most of 2010, I'll tell them it started going to hell in a handbasket because it let liberal fools into positions of authority, elected by those people who blindly followed a group of egotistical socialites and socialists.
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  Texasbetaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your logic is childish. One calls for a clear call to arms if they don't get their way, if the democratic process setup by the founding fathers, the ones they so often quote but don't understand, fails them. Do you see the irony? Every single thing proposed was threatened with a filibuster down to common appointments on menial staffs by your Republicans, the very Republicans who got us into this mess, ignored Bin Laden, repealed all legislation that prevented us from falling into a recession every 12 years (like Glass Steagall), started a war for nothing and sacrificed American lives for absolutely NOTHING, deregulated the wall street market to the point of well...our recession, let inspectors of virtually every energy industry regulate themselves thus falling into 4 of the worst mining disasters in American history during the Bush watch, and the worst oil spill we have ever encountered. I can go on forever...you want to PUT THESE PEOPLE BACK? We haven't cleaned up the World Trade Center from 9 years ago, but you expect the unemployment to be fixed in 18 months with absolutely NO business allowed to get done because your Republicans are blocking anything they can, because they care nothing about the country, the economy, American lives, nothing...except for their re-election. If they can keep f&$king it up, then the black guy will get blamed. Seriously, that is pathetic. I pray your grandchildren will have library cards. Oh wait, if you get your way, nobody will right?
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  plzzzrposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Is this where all the pantywaste, bedwettin, liberal socialist pieces of human debris come to complain about the election ?
  
  I should fit right in.....I'm a homosexual hairdresser living in Austin Texas.....(you know where the liberals live)
  
  Libtards are funny.
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  JayDeckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda- Do you really believe that Obama saying that a Republican win will mean Dems and Reps will be engaged in "hand to hand combat" in the Congress is the same, in tone and meaning, to Sharron Angle making a thinly veiled threat that "people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies" and, essentially, suggesting that Harry Reid be shot first.
  You cannot honestly believe it and still be a thinking person, which means that you are either dishonest or an idiot. In either event, you'll fit in well with the new regime.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm...let's see....you just called me dishonest and an idiot, correct? Gee, did you REALLY MEAN that? LOL
  
  Way to show that liberals don't really mean it when they mock conservatives. You're apparently a great representative of Democratic respect for the opinions of others.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you a great representative of Christian respect of others?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely I respect others. But I've never claimed to be a "great representative" of anything except hardcore Christian values (which includes above all, forgiveness).
  
  I'll let you deliberate upon that.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm chuckling more than deliberating, actually.
  
  Have you ever considered running for office?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Heavens no. I'm not the typical prototype. I think my tendency to dress in sweat pants and uncoiffed hairstyles might be too distracting for most people. haha
  
  But, come to think of it, it would be quite a test of tolerance and diversity, huh?......
  
  edit:
  I'll qualify that with one statement---I might actually consider it in a couple of years on a local level IF a certain woman who won a local Town Council seat on the Republican ticket doesn't adhere to the actual Republican Platform....
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "It feels like 1860 all over again."
  
  You really are old.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not that old, but I have been reading Ronald C. White's "A. Lincoln" recently.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  And in 2012, this wonderful republican will take the oval office, and the republic will be restored.
  
  Thank you, Jesus!
  
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We will take back both houses of congress! Republicians that attempt to compromise with the socialist left, will be voted out and replaced in 2012!
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I love how Obama and Dems talk compromise, while the GOP wants gridlock.
  
  Hope the Dems learn their lesson...
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no! We don't want grid lock! We want spending cuts and tax cuts! We want freedom and those are the bills that will be sent to Obama, it is he that will be the one creating the grid lock if he vetoes anything!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The right tried to spin it that way in '95. How'd that work out?
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What would you cut from the budget and how much does the CBO say that will save us?
  
  How much more of a tax cut do you want? I'm assuming you're in the $200k+ income range, since the Obama cuts for everyone below that are BETTER than those proposed by the Republicans.
  http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-k … obama.html
  
  How does the GOP plan on paying for the tax cut for the $200k+ income earners?
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
all I'm going to say is be careful what you wish for..
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Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago
Hmm.... I just wonder.....if the Republicans actually regain some power, will the nasties who spout crude threatening remarks like Bill Moyer and that comedian lady (er...woman; what's her name?) and all those lefties who are getting by with saying whatever insult comes into their tiny hearts at the time....I wonder if they'll stop their carp......
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  junkoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator has a master plan...
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I believe He does.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but you also believe in Republicans...
  
  You might want to diversify just in case.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you think that. And when things don't go well, it's either Satan or Mysterious Ways or it's because if the homos or the abortions or the atheists, right?
  
  Such a convenient view.
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  junkoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If that was so I would have told you so. Pcunix, you don't know how I think. Do you and I'll do me. I have a good view, you have a view too.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry - I meant to reply to Brenda, not you.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  NO ONE CAN STOP THE CARP!
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Flightkeeperposted 13 years ago
Brenda, just because there are more Republicans in the House and Senate doesn't mean that things will be okay. If anything we have to watch them like a hawk to see if any of them are RINOs. Then we still have to watch them and see that they don't pick up Dummycrat habits while they are in power. It's a never ending struggle.
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Flightkeeperposted 13 years ago
Brenda, the other thing that we have to watch out for is the Libturd crack-up. Once it sinks into their thick pea brains that they have lost their power there's going to be all sorts of crazy yelling and accusations even though most of the crap that's being pulled in the elections is done by Soros funded thugs.
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  JOE BARNETTposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i dont think there will be any loss of power. what "IS" going to happen though, is when the president requests a proposal for a solution to a problem that's been presented to him, the republicans now, will actuslly have to work "with" him and that's all he ever asked for, or show america that they truly do nothing. they shouldn't want that, so they will now work together with the dems. but,either way it's a plus for the democrats. as far as a huge repealing of obamas policies? not gonna happen . . . the president has veto power!
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  sam3mposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do conservatives ever question what Republican candidates or Fox News says? Unprecidented numbers of filibusters, even on bills which the GOP has initiated, voting against Democrat initiated bills in a bloc, not a single Republican in agreement with the other side. Doesn't that perk your curiosity? Do you think there's a GOP plan?
  Although, they've done a great job in the Big Lie technique, with huge numbers of people prepared to vote against their own interests. I've seen footage of thousands of Teapartiers demonstrating against Obama's higher taxes. Those mature, well-educated individuals have to know that they're now paying lower taxes than they were in the previous administration. They also have to know that the expected tax increase in January effects only those making more than $250,000/yr., and the 4% increase is only on the income over $250,000. I can't imagine that any of the sign-carriers earned more than 250K/yr., but they were told "Higher taxes!" and they bought it.
  Where is the intellectual honesty of a conservative like William F. Buckley? What is your stance on immigration? is not a trick question. I don't have a problem with conservatives. My problem is with the clearly unqualified candidates we see so frequently.
  Let's not do this to our country. Question politicians, don't intimidate those who don't agree with you. If you're a racist and/or just dumb, be quiet about it. Don't vote.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it's so nice to read a voice of reason here, very well said.
  
  yes, question a party that has had a plan to block any progress as soon as Obama was elected. how can a thinking person not see their agenda?
  
  I say, be careful what you wish for, those who think electing tea party and right wing republicans is going to solve our country's problems. that's fairy tale thinking.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Once it sinks into their thick pea brains that they have lost their power "
  
  Oh, please. The Dems never realized they had any power in the first place. Why do you think they couldn't manage to pass a decent health care reform bill? They were paralyzed by some stupid need to get the approval of a few people who thought any health care bill was bad (never mind that a majority of the voters approved of the health care agenda in Nov. 2008).
  
  Oh, well. C'est la vie...
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "The Dems never realized they had any power in the first place."
  
  That would be one reason to get rid of them.
  
  If they aren't smart enough to know they were the ones in charge why should we believe they are smart enough to run the country?
  
  Oh, we never did believe they were smart enough.
  
  Never mind.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, D is the lowest passing grade.
  
  Honestly, I'd rather have a rather disappointing ally in charge than a really effective adversary.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Considering the anti-intellectual strain in the Right, it's odd that you mention "smart".
  
  Isn't it those pointy head liberal college professors that get the Right all riled up every so often?
  
  Oh, but that's 'book smart". I keep forgetting that.
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  Jim Hunterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Oh, but that's 'book smart". I keep forgetting that."
  
  Say it with me now.
  
  J-O-B-S
  
  Three letter words are so hard.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where are the jobs, Jim? The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy are still in effect. The billionaire bankers have recovered their losses and are handing out millions in bonuses. It seems like the rich are doing just fine, but they sure as heck aren't creating any jobs with that wealth, are they?
  
  Nope. But we cannot tax 'em because they need that money to create jobs. In India, of course, but let's not quibble - jobs are jobs.
  
  J-O-B-S
  
  That's a four letter word, Jim.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  JayDeckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's just too funny.
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  Texasbetaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Democrats tried to push a bill that would strip companies getting tax subsidies to send American jobs overseas, but the Republicans blocked it. Hey man, if you can't see the Republicans are the wall blocking jobs, then you are too lazy to look or a flat out liar with an agenda. Choose your poison my man.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And which president gave us job-killing NAFTA - along with the help of RINOs?
  
  After the auto industry got $80 billion from the government, they sent jobs to Mexico, made possible by NAFTA.
  
  Read about it here: http://www.economyincrisis.org/content/ … obs-mexico
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  Texasbetaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So wait, your entire party pushes for NAFTA, makes it a campaign issue, Clinton signs it...it screws us and now you just call them RINOs and vote the same guys back in while abandoning any responsibility? Seriously? OWN IT. NAFTA was a primary campaign issue of the Republican party at the time. It was a scam like everything else they do
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong, Texas. I don't always vote Republican. Unlike SOME people on these forums, I don't think everything the Rs do is right, and I don't think everything the Ds do is wrong. I think both parties are largely controlled by special interest and big money. And BTW, I voted for Clinton! We need a viable third party of moderates - NOT the Tea Party.
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  JayDeckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Habee- Not only was NAFTA promarily negotiated by George H. W. Bush's Whitehouse, his son offered a tax break on repatriated funds usually levied on American corporations operating abroad when they bring money back to the U.S. They said it was to create jobs. What it did was allow American based multinationals a windfall to investors and a boon to their stock value. In effect, it rewarded American Corps for exporting jobs with little or no effect on domestic job creation.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Flightkeeper you're right. In both posts. Yep, we should expect the worst from the sore-loser Democrats AND keep the RINO's out of the Party. But I think it can be done! I'm thinking positive! YES WE CAN! haha
  Not only that, but YES WE MUST!!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you want the party to consist solely of racist, homophobic dimwits?
  
  Wow, sounds like a winner.
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  Jeff Berndtposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Yep, we should expect the worst from the sore-loser Democrats "
  
  Wow. This statement is so priceless, I had to call it out.
  
  Isn't this just amazing? How on earth can someone make this statement with a straight face after watching the way the Right has behaved over the past two years?
  
  If we could tap the power of the confirmation bias behind this statement, we could get off foreign oil forever.
  
  One more time:
  
  "Yep, we should expect the worst from the sore-loser Democrats"
  
  Sore-loser democrats. Priceless.
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Reality Bytesposted 13 years ago
This election will be a romp. Democrats will win every seat available.

So if you are a Democrat, You do not even need to cast your Vote. Your numbers are overwhelming.

Besides, the election has neem postponed until Wednesday.

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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
You laugh, but that is a ploy they are using. Billions and billions spent on Democrat bashing. If you lose, it will be because of that.

America does not like bullies.
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  Pcunixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, the money. Here in MA we have the unabashedly gay Barney Frank. Of course the conservatives hate him. My mailbox has been stuffed with expensive attack brochures in the past week.
  
  He's unlikely to lose, but boy have they spent money trying to change that!
  
  And the idiots around me say it's a "grass roots" movement Yeah, right. Grass roots well fertilized by the Kochs.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then Americans must HATE democrats! 21% of all dem ads during the midterms are attack ads on republican candidates, while only 11% of republican ads are attack ads on their opponents.
  
  Money spent? DNC: $782 million. RNC: $515 million.
  
  So, who's the bully?
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree that America hates Democrats. Look how they have been treated.
  And I do not believe those numbers. It defies what I see and hear on a daily basis.
  How cam Dems spend more, when all that secret Chamber money is controlled by Karl Rove?
  
  And if you don't see what bullies the Baggers are-it's because you are on their side. They are straight up bullies, and liars. imo
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not to disagree , but what I see on TV here is the opposite. Raese for Senator and Manchin for senator trying to replace Robert Byrd.
  
  Raese ads attack Manchin all the time while there are few attacks agakisnt Raese. I am going by what I see on TV, not a poll or anything like that.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure in some states and cities there are more attack ads by Rs - I'm talking about the total of the entire nation.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand and know. As I said, not to disagree. I posted a prayer request in the religion forum if you don;t mind going over there and read it.
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SirDentposted 13 years ago
Personlly, I am so sick of politics it isn't even funny. It seems it has been going no stop for 6 years now. Campaign ads almost constant.

I say we round up all the politicians and gas them to death.

Pinto beans anyone?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Campaigning for 2012 starts this Wednesday.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can believe that.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yup--that's when the Chamber really gets rolling. Lies and more lies and demonization like you've never seen before.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha Sir Dent.
  
  Hey, I'm veering off the subject here for a minute, but would like to ask you to say a little prayer for me. I had to go to the emergency room the other day 'cause both my hands locked up on me and started aching so bad I couldn't do anything! Doc says it's probably carpal tunnel but all the tests aren't back yet. I've got splints on both hands so won't be sticking around here much right now. I'm on painkillers but shouldn't be using the keyboard much, and hubby will kill me anyway if I do. haha
  
  Anyway, here's hoping for a good Election Day tomorrow. God help us!
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Consider it done Brenda.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
  
  Now, I'm off to watch the Glenn Beck show (much to Ron's chagrin I'm sure! LOL)
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You could have your husband take dictation and type your rants for you.
  
  Seriously, I hope you feel better. I've had carpal tunnel surgery and am doing much better since then. If you end up needing it, do some research and find the best surgeon possible. A botched procedure can cause incredible damage - bad enough to keep you away from the keyboard forever.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oops! Just saw this!
  
  Thank you Ron!
  Yeah I've heard some horror stories about the surgery, one from the daughter of a friend of mine.
  
  I'm very glad you're doing better after your surgery!
  
  Hey, we may argue but I like you, and you surely do have a soft heart. Thanks again.
  
  See ya.
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Pcunixposted 13 years ago
I liked this: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/th … ag=nl.e550
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not bad.
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sydneh234567890posted 13 years ago
haha no pinto beans i need a break on that. but the thing is i just came form school so how did you get sick? i mean i never ever been sick! it is weird i got the message but i never need the money and i need you to roll up some gas for my truck and pack it all up. and take it away so i need you to crash it up and that is even funny but never did that.?
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fettyposted 13 years ago
Where do your figures come from? I am writing a hub about the undisclosed funds being used for this election and I'm not even close to your figures. Help me out here, thanks Habee.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just type in "campaigm money spent on midterm elections." I found several sites.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Dems ARE airing more negative campaign ads, while Reps' ads are more focuses on issues:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 04044.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/ … 5929.shtml

Lovemychris, I'm not a Tea Partier. I don't just take up for people and ideas that I agree with. I prefer the truth. I think in many elections, the Rs have had more attack ads, but during these midterm elections, the Ds have more attack ads. It's a fact. I don't agree with bullying from either side - whether it's from an SEIU thug or from a TP loon.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not true in Michigan! Habee, I'm beginning to think you're a wolf in sheep's clothing!
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why, Ralph? Because I seek the truth? I'm tired of the bashing - from both sides. But the extreme left can't fairly be depicted as sheep among wolves! lol
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Is this not the same type of bashing that Habee wrote about?
  
  I edited this because it needed it.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Something important to keep in mind Habee - where is funding coming from besides the DNC or RNC? From the WaPo article you linked to:
  
  "The data show that Republican candidates have been able to run more positive ads because they've received help from parties and outside groups that are attacking on their behalf. Once outside spending by parties and interest groups are factored in to the candidate spending, both liberals and conservatives are running the same share of negative ads. Ads on the left are still more focused on personal characteristics over policy, however. "
  
  As for Dems attacking on personal characteristics, well... if your opponent is Christine ODonnell or someone like her, the personal characteristics are the easiest to attack - you should always attack your opponent's weak points.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Republican candidates have been able to run more positive ads because they've received help from parties and outside groups that are attacking on their behalf."
  
  Exactly!
  
  They say they are a "neutral organization" and really they are Repub. Just as I heard on the news that the Baggers will align with the Republican party!!!
  
  WHAT? I though they said the were anti-Repub as well. They are not, nor hav ever been. A big sham.
  
  And we will LOSE for it.
  
  Corporations win.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lovemychris, what I hate about the TP is that moderate Republicans (yes, there really are some) are being shoved out. I think they're having a detrimental effect on the GOP and will end up ruining the party.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, William. HOW is O'Donnell getting as many votes as she's getting - in a deep blue state?? It's crazy, I tells ya! When you have to go on TV and say, "I am not a witch," you should throw in the towel at that point. How could anyone support her? Look at her "record."
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Habee, I'm still not sure how Bush got reelected so I don't have an answer for you. We'll see how she does I guess.
  
  I'm not too hopeful for my nation's future tho.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There's no way she'll win, but the fact that she'll most likely receive a significant share of the votes is scary!
  
  As for Bush, at least he didn't have to say that he wasn't a witch - or in his case, a warlock! lol
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habeeposted 13 years ago
Found another article stating that the Ds are using more attack ads than the Rs, and this study focuses on attack ads against conservative women. BTW, the Daily Beast is a liberal site:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and- … n-sluts/2/
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readytoescapeposted 13 years ago
The Election today will gauge the distance we have traveled from the original intent of the framers of our Republic.

It seems the people of the nation have traveled different paths since the end of World War Two. And in doing so, as a nation we no longer seem capable of the noteworthy deeds of the Great Generation, and propelling the American dream as individuals and as a nation.

In this country now there appears to be two completely different philosophies.

The first group and arguably the most vocal and belligerent, appears to be the liberal progressives masquerading as democrats whose platform and goals, under the guise of “compassion,” materialize as a cradle to grave society that must be controlled and administrated by an elite oligarchy regulating every aspect of American life.

The second group, that had been silent for quite a while, are those that abhor unwarranted governmental interference and a bridle on individual and State Constitutional liberties.

These two groups seemly are divided by the differences in the philosophies below,

“From the people to the Government”

or

“From the Government to the People”

The choice today is which direction we will travel from this point forward. To choose the latter you surrender liberty. In choosing the former you accept personal and governmental responsibility.

Though this post will invariably stir harsh criticism, particularly from those that have chosen to be a part of the first group, the difference remains, and the choice you make today is as simple as above.
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  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with this post for the most part. Indeed, we will see what direction we will travel in the future after today's elections. The problem is that we will still be divided no matter who wins or loses, because ultimately, it is the people who always end up losing.
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  William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As an environmental activist, I'm regularly called a socialist and a big government liberal. The truth is, in my day to day activities I'm usually in opposition to government agencies, trying to get them to do their jobs and enforce regulations and laws as they are supposed to do.
  
  Your dichotomy is a false one. Liberals are not about the government controlling the people, they are about government being under the control of the public - and thus working in the public interest.
  
  Think about it.
  
  Public means "for the people." Public education, for example, means education that is controlled by the people and administered for the people.
  
  Yes, our government can be out of control, and it may need to be reined in.
  
  But let's not go too far in the opposite direction, in which the only power is private power, held by individuals. We need a countervailing force to prevent the wealthy and/or unscrupulous from controlling everything.
  
  As long as that countervailing force is under the control of the people, we have a functioning democracy. The problems come when the government serves the interests of private power.
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  readytoescapeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The problems come when government serves itself and believes that it has the right to control everyone and everything.
  
  The premise above is in general terms, as an informed and educated man you well know that.
  
  The specifics you use as examples are good ones. Let’s take education, are our public schools teaching the 3 R’s for the benefit of the students or are they concentrating more on indoctrination of politically correct ideals? The debate of this question alone would take pages of this forum. But the question is what is the real function of the schools, to teach academics or philosophies?
  
  Your work as an environmentalist is most likely worthy, but how far do you go with environmental protection? The complaint you make is a result of agencies being too large and having been granted too much power. Do you want them to wield it over a broad spectrum or should it be focused to particular situations? Again another argument, but one not solved by continually adding regulation and governmental regulation.
  
  Think about it, each time you increase the size of government, whether it be by law regulation, agency or department, what will those things do? The only thing a government can do is issue mandates and rules that they must control to be able to “govern.”
  
  So that each time this is done you effectively have handed your liberties to yet another governmental body.
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habeeposted 13 years ago
I guess I'm somewhere in the middle, though right of center. I believe in some government programs. I don't believe, however, that the gov. should take care of us from cradle to grave. And I think we have far too much gov. intrusion into our lives now.

I support Social Security, public education, and Welfare and food stamps when properly administered. I believe in helping the helpless, but I don't agree with helping the lazy.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
They are going to slash and burn public services, so the privates can have more wealth. Please tell me when we were supposed to exist to support the wealthy?

Robber Barons have won the day.Have for a real long time. And any time you TRY to make a teeny teeny inroad, you get the backlash of fury.

This truly is not the America of my youth.
People used to care about people..now it is only their bank account.

And I will NEVER understand how someone can say "Don't take my money for the gvt!", but have no problem with CEO's and business owners taking it for their sole, unitary PROFIT.
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Pcunixposted 13 years ago
I went down to vote about 10:00 AM (Eastern US). Very, very heavy turnout. First time I have ever had to stand in line 3 times - once to check in, once to wait for a booth and once to check out.

It's going to be a BIG election.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I heard a man on the radio say this was the most important election of his generation....
  Because it will determine if his generation has any chance at all.
  
  We need gvt help. We need gvt.
  These kids are looking at a very bleak future if everything becomes privitized...because then the only goal is profit.
  And the only people with a chance at a decent life must be born into money.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. I went to vote this morning, and a precinct worker told me that 10% of registered voters had already voted today. She said they had only a 10% turnout for the entire day during the last midterm election! There were a lot of minority voters, too - more than usual. The dems might not do as badly as everyone seems to think.
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psycheskinnerposted 13 years ago
As a foreigner living in the US I can't say that either side impresses me. The campaign advertisements for all of them have be fear-mongering clap trap containing no real information. Are you allowed to vote 'no confidence'?
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
When do impeachment hearings start?
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The minute Frank Luntz and Rasmussen tell the GOP heads it will help them in 2012...
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Televized on Fox, with commentary by Beckles and Klannity...oooooh, Repubbie's DREAM.
  
  Then, should someone mention Bush and impeachment, and Obama's decision to "go forward, not back"...they can say, well, you know how those "other" people are.
  
  chuckle chuckle...wink wink....
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Which spending will you cut?

I already got a tax cut....do I need another one?

Freedom? Oh really--will you keep your State off my ovaries?
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  readytoescapeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your Ovaries?
  
  Will you keep your oppressive regime out of my liberties, my rights to work, my right to bear arms, my doctors office, my schools, my paycheck, my retirement, my electric bill, my SUV, my MacDonald’s, my twinkies, my refrigerator and on and on.....
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah right....what is more desirous of liberty than my own body?
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  readytoescapeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have had that "liberty" upheld since 1973
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, and 5 Baggers want to end it. Read amendment 62 out of Colorado....jail time for using contraceptives. No abortion even if raped. Tea-Bagger proposed it. Is running for office. Buck.
  Kansas has very strict restrictions on women and their reproductive rights..it has been an on-going campaign since 1973.
  
  I don't take it lightly. And where there's smoke there's fire. Baggers want to force me to carry a fetus to term. By order of their state. ONE who wants that is one too many.
  
  End the 14th amendment? States rights? You know how that sounds to some?
  
  Backwards, that's how.
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  readytoescapeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you worried about States that you do not live?
  
  If you supported the Constitutional rights of the States to govern without interference from the federal government this would not be an issue on a national level, and if abortion is your only decision making paradigm you could easily move to a state where restrictions are to your liking.
  
  Though I’m pretty sure you still have the option to keep your legs closed everywhere.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Though I’m pretty sure you still have the option to keep your legs closed everywhere."
  
  This is just the type of attitude displayed by the Republibaggers in Massachussetts.
  
  One of them is running for Rep. When he was a policeman, he helped his friend cop cover up a sexual assault on two girls.
  
  His supporters are blaming the parents and the girls.
  
  Like I said....out with the old. This thinking is dark-ages. Goodbye Repubs.
  Never darken our doors again.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Though I’m pretty sure you still have the option to keep your legs closed everywhere."
  
  Wow, real classy. You've just exposed what this is REALLY about, and it isn't protecting fetuses, is it?
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here's my plan... democrats would be taxed 100% (including democrat senators and representatives, democrat presidents also would not get paid) and be issued government housing, food stamps and a clothing allowance of course the clothes would be standard issue made by union workers as would the housing. Democrats would be forced to live in centralized communities where a physicians assistant would adminster government health care Everyone else would only be taxed at 15%, be free to liev where they want, buy what they want and do what they want.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Another classy one. Must be election-day anxiety bringing out the crazy.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny thing is democrats are always in favor of bigger government, and higher taxes. They favor government being the agent to distribute wealth equitably. You know there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't force everyone to do it that way. So democrats, put your money where your mouth is...don't take any tax deductions...happily turn over your cash to the government if you trust and believe in them so much... this should be especially true for all the rich democrats like Al Gore and John Kerry... why should they have multiple houses and fly on private planes? Why don't they set the example and redistribute THEIR wealth? If you can answer that satisfactorily to me, I'll become a democrat!
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense.
  
  The GOP loves big government - more wars, more security, more intrusion into people's private lives. Your most recent president grew both the military and non-military government. The Republicans just have no interest in paying for what they want; they just take on debt and then blame it all on the Democrats when they assume power.
  
  And you persist in using strawman arguments. Are Dems arguing for communism? The Dem income tax rate structure is more conservative than Reagan's.
  
  Sure, you can continue to delude yourself into thinking that Dems want to control your life or your income more than the Repubs, but maybe you're just applying a little wishful thinking and hope to join the ranks of Rupert Murdoch pretty soon?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's an outright lie. Kennedy was famous for cutting taxes. Taxes under Obama are less than under Bush. Reagan championed the largest tax increase in history - but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of posting your nonsense.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah Kennedy was the last democrat with any common sense! By the way, Obama lowered income taxes but he raised all kinds of other taxes and more tax increases are on the way to pay for his huge entitlements while cutting the deficit. Consider too all the uncertainity Obama created with his policies which is why no one is hiring and why unemployment remains high. You can't escape the truth because we're living with the repercussions of the policies Obama shoved down the throats of Americans...higher bank fees, taxes on medical devices like wheel chairs and defibulators hips and knees, stents etc higer tobacco taxes higher insurance fees and on and on! He's a disaster! I'll take Kennedy anyday over Obama!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You have parroted the Fox talking points well. Absolutely no truth in them, but you did your duty.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You completely misrepresent what the Democrats support. Letting the Bush tax cuts expire for those making over $250,000 is not socialism, no matter how much you want to frame it that way.
  
  I'm perfectly fine with Kerry and Gore and any other wealthy person keeping their multiple houses and flying on private planes.
  
  I know your paranoid imagination dreams up all kinds of scary socialist-infested nightmares that don't even come close to reality, but sane people recognize them for what they are -- fear-induced fantasies.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  They're not dreamed up, they're broadcast to the minions daily.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, you're right. I should have identified them as Rushbeckity's fantasies.
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
Boner:

"The ultimate measure of whether we have a functioning House is not bipartisanship. Our focus shouldn't be on working across party lines for its own sake," Boehner said in a recent speech at the American Enterprise Institute where he laid out his governing philosophy and proposed reforms.'

in other words: "My way or the highway.I don't govern for all America, just MY America. Lobbyists!"

Weren't they crying about Obama not inviting them to the table? Weren't they?
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psycheskinnerposted 13 years ago
Wow, what a nasty way to phrase your reply. I guess I know what audience the nasty politcal ads are aimed at. Some people like that sort of thing....
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
The pundits all predicted the Rangers would win the World Series and we saw how that turned out (btw, if you happened to watch the ridiculously biased Fox commentary the Giants' victory is especially sweet).

I believe this will be the week of pleasant overturns.
We'll see how much Americans really go for that negativity.
Here comes the sun, little darlins!
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Greek Oneposted 13 years ago
I thought that my American friends had come to the conclusion that the only solution to the issues they face is to violently over through the government?

Are you guys saying that you are STILL having elections?

Judging by some of the stuff I read on here and see on TV, I thought the militia units were already formed?
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
They pay the taxes that are in the law books....
Difference is, they don't want to make others pay more, so they can pay less!
I distinctly remember this as an issue last time around! Bill Clinton was going around campaigning, saying, "I don"t need a tax cut, but Bush gave me one."
I'm sure he does plenty good with his time and money, but that's not the point! The point is, if you take that money out of circulation, you have to make up for it somehow...from other people...which happen to be the middle class!

AND the poor.....FICA takes care of SS..it's more than the fed and state taxes combined....and FICA is capped at $120,000. You can earn 5 mil, and only pay FICA on $120,000 of it. Now, with all the boomers coming up on retirement...who do you think will have to make up for that FICA that the uber rich aren't paying?
If they had to pay FICA on all their income,we would have no problems with SS!!! And it would not kill them to do it. But it IS killing middle class and poor to have to make up for what was given to the rich as a tax-break.
It is an a**-backwards system that the Repubs have in place... A gvt geared toward the wealthy!
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you say they aren't paying? They paid the maxium! This is what I don't get democrats think the rich should pay more, they already pay more! Why should they pay more? Especially when 47% don't pay anything! How is this fair?
  The democrats demonize the rich and yet it's the rich that risk the capital that creates the jobs that employ most of us! They aren't the bad guys! Yet the rich democrats think the rich so pay more...so if that's what they believe, then pay more the government won't turn it down! But NO! They don't do that! They're generous alright, with other people's money not their own!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No they don't.
  
  They pay state and federal on 5 mil. They only pay FICA on $120,000 of that. Middle income pays FICA, state and federal on ALL their income.
  Poor workers pay FICA only---but it is MORE than state and federal combined.
  
  So,in reality, as a percentage of their income, the uber rich pay less than anyone!
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody, poor or rich pays more on FICA, everyone is subjected to the same limits, so make more money!
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
One could easily flip that idea on its head. How about all these "nonpartisan" 60+ers who think AARP is too radical put their money where their mouth is. If they don't accept their Social Security checks or their Medicare... imagine how much more money would be in federal government's coffers.

Oh yeah, and after turning back your Medicare, GOOD LUCK getting health insurance coverage from ANY carrier. They won't touch you. But "Obamacare" is evil. Yeah, right.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know the difference is that social security and medicare is MY money... all I want is to have it back!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You use all your input up in 4 years. It was in Newsweek many years back....an article called "Greedy Geezers". After 4 years, it's welfare. Not to mention, the women of that generation, many of whom never worked...they still collect. It's welfare, only no restrictions and no matter how wealthy you are.
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  lady_love158posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Fine then end social security all together and let me keep my money!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is just what Angle wants to do...and the Dept of education, healthcare,,etc.
  BUT--she wants to force me to have a baby...what if I can't afford it? She won't help. What should I do....give it away? have it and then give it away? or live on the street?
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  rachellrobinsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You could always try keeping your legs together.
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Great points mm.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
And higher taxes on tobacco is a bad thing because....?
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habeeposted 13 years ago
This thread is getting pretty nasty. Hey - we're all in this together!! How can we expect our leaders to work together when we can't even discuss issues without becoming mad, snarky, or sarcastic? This is EXACTLY what the politicians want!
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  lovemychrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This is EXACTLY how it's been since Obama was elected.
  You have the right to blame.
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Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago
Common Dreams published the transcript of a speech Bill Moyers gave this past Saturday night as part of the Howard Zinn Lecture Series at Boston University.

It's rather long but we encourage you to read the whole speech.

Here's the final paragraph:

But let's be clear: Even with most Americans on our side, the odds are long. Money fights hard, and it fights dirty. Think Rove. The Chamber. The Kochs. We may lose. It all may be impossible. But it's OK if it's impossible. You heard me right. I've learned something about this from the former farmworker and labor organizer Baldemar Velasquez. The members of his Farm Labor Organizing Committee are a long way from the world of K Street lobbyists. But they took on the Campbell Soup Company - and won. They took on North Carolina growers - and won, using transnational organizing tactics that helped win Velasquez a "genius" award from the MacArthur Foundation. And now they're taking on no less than R. J. Reynolds Tobacco and one of its principle financial sponsors, JPMorgan-Chase. Some people question the wisdom of taking on such powerful interests, but here's what Velasquez says: "It's OK if it's impossible; it's OK! Now I'm going to speak to you as organizers. Listen carefully. The object is not to win. That's not the objective. The object is to do the right and good thing. If you decide not to do anything, because it's too hard or too impossible, then nothing will be done, and when you're on your death bed, you're gonna say, ‘I wish I had done something.' But if you go and do the right thing NOW, and you do it long enough good things will happen-something's gonna happen. Shades of Howard Zinn!"

I hope you will join all of us in the Common Dreams community in defying the polls and the cynics by going to vote. We can’t give up ”because it's too hard or too impossible”.

Here's a link to the whole speech:

http://act.commondreams.org/go/2948?aki … 2T&t=1
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
It's difficult to have respectful discourse with anyone who either has no grasp of the facts or who willfully misrepresents the facts.
It might be an interesting exercise for the OP to offer a single source of information, ask all posters to go and read that piece, and comment solely based on what that piece says.
Hard to do, since we are all so full of spin from the spinmeisters and piss and vinegar from screaming at each other across the divide.
But I think it would be really, really interesting to see if we are able to engage in critical analysis (remember that concept from high school/college?).
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lovemychrisposted 13 years ago
"You could always try keeping your legs together."

Or YOU could mind your own business.
Or would you like them to have a gvt worker keep track of all the times I don't keep my legs together?

I know it would cost tax-payer money, but for your causes...it's worth it.

I mean---you have the god-given right to my va j j and my uterus and my private sex life, don't you?

Of course you do...you're morally superior!!!
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  rachellrobinsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well in your little world I suppose that the morally superior kill innocent babies and call it choice. You are enlightened because you can sleep with whomever you want, guy, girl, both at the same time and if something unfortunate should happen like you get pregnant well that is as easy as a trip to the doctor and that inconvience of someone else's life is taken care of. Why have morals, why have standards, why wait till you love someone before you have sex when getting rid of a life is that easy it really is the better way to go.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Well of course people who are in love and even married NEVER experience unintended pregnancies. Never ever.

I could repost the very extensive global statistics I posted today on TheIrishObserver's thread about "Is abortion murder" but I could just as easily respectfully request you go look at it there.

This thread is about the midterm elections and hope for the USA.
Stick to the topic or please don't post your narrow-minded, condescending moral superiority. It's not appreciated, rachellrobinson.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
lovemychris: Isn't this the second time today you've been told to keep your legs together??? What's up with that, anyway?
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habeeposted 13 years ago
See, Tex, when you make statements like everything the Rs do is a scam, it's hard for me to take you seriously. ALL politicians screw up - even liberals.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you, Habee, but I believe the Republicans of the last 8-10 years have reached new heights of incompetence and maliciousness that will be very hard to top.
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Pcunixposted 13 years ago
MA seems to be remaining Democratic - doing our part to save the Nation.

Down here in the, um, less sophisticated part of the State, I'm sure the voting was much different, but fortunately they do not reflect most of the population.
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I just moved to Missouri, and I like living here, but the politics here are disheartening after coming from Oregon.
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SirDentposted 13 years ago
Looks like Manchin won Byrd's seat in the senate. I hope Rahall retains his seat in the state senate.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
Wow, PP. Talk about culture shock!!!

Glad to see that thug Paladino didn't get elected at New York's governor. I wonder if he's gonna threaten to "take Andrew Cuomo out."
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  PrettyPantherposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I love the country. It's beautiful and peaceful here. We left a larger city to start a new and simpler life and have not been disappointed. I wake up to the sounds of birds and cricket, not traffic. So far, I have remained uninvolved in the local politics, but then, I've only been here about a month.
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
I'm not crazy about Rubio's views, but I do admire the campaign he ran and his lack of arrogance in his acceptance speech. I even heard him say that just because he's elected doesn't mean he'll get what he wants, in contrast to Rand Paul's arrogant, nauseating acceptance speech.

pretty, I used to live in Columbia years ago, I loved it, it's a university town.. but overall, MO is conservative.
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  habeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rubio seems like a class act so far - especially for a Tea Partier. lol
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rubio does have a great way of speaking and I believe he's sincere.
  
  And Rand Paul's speech was kinda cocky, but I loved it and it was about time a Republican took a good swipe at the Democrats' unwillingness to even read Bills before they shove 'em through. And he did make sure to say he would "respectfully" approach the Senate body.
  
  I gotta quote this, though, 'cause it SO rocked!====
  
  "..Deliberate upon this!"
  
  I laughed; so cool; much better and more respectful than Pelosi's offensiveness and much better than Obama's "Buck up".
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