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What Would You Do If Sarah Palin Became President?

  1. Paul Wingert profile image78
    Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

    Although her chances of winning is next to nothing (I'd rather vote for a sock puppet), but as a worse case senereo, I would tour Canada and Europe for four years and try not to stick out as an American due to embarrasment (very hard to do). It was bad enough traveling to Canada while Bush was in office, even though I didn't vote for him.

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know why Palin is so feared and hated! I think she'd make a great president, way better than Obama! Her chances of getting elected aren't good right now, but that could change over the next year, we'll see. If she is the republician candidate, she will definitely get my vote!

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        Texasbetaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The fear comes from the belief that she doesn't understand much, and doesn't really care to. She tends to spout bumper sticker slogans and never really show an understanding for the essential components that make up the debate. She appears to be extremely reactionary with very little forethought. Further, she tends to be extraordinarily childish in her actions, and plays the "as a matter of fact" role while displaying ignorance...that in particular riles people up quite a bit. It would be like when your 6 yr old starts lecturing you on how to deal with your finances, when they can count past 10.

        1. lady_love158 profile image60
          lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Really? Sounds like Obama!

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            Texasbetaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Curious....how specifically? What would you define as a childish action? I am curious.

            1. lady_love158 profile image60
              lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              How about when he criticised the cop that arrested the suspected burglar of "acting stupidly"... that was childish

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image71
                Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The cop did act stupidly as is not unusual with Boston cops.

    2. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'd move in with Mark Knowles. You just got notice, Mr. Look out.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'd say it would be at least one step up from our current President.

      1. pisean282311 profile image59
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol

    4. fishskinfreak2008 profile image33
      fishskinfreak2008posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "I'd rather vote for a sock puppet". Nice one.

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      logic,commonsenseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Tell you what, if you are embarassed of this country why don't you make several years whether she runs and wins or not!

    6. ecoggins profile image93
      ecogginsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The same as I did when Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II and Obama took office, continue with life as normal. Since we live in a relatively free and open society, who lives in the White House has little to do with who I am as a person and how I live day to day, month by month, year by year.

  2. Pcunix profile image87
    Pcunixposted 6 years ago

    My daughter's husband is from Ireland. I think I would ask them if they'd like to move there and take us with them.

    1. Doug Hughes profile image61
      Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Sarah Palin can't be president. I saw on the Internet that she was born in Canada.

      1. Pcunix profile image87
        Pcunixposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, good.

        Maybe we could put the same thing out there about ALL Republican candidates?

  3. cathylynn99 profile image74
    cathylynn99posted 6 years ago

    moving to canada sounds great in that deplorable circumstance. i cant even believe that toomey is my senator. it's surreal that someone so extremely backward has so high an office.

    1. Barbara Kay profile image87
      Barbara Kayposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I'd consider moving to Canada also. She'd ruin our country.

  4. uncorrectedvision profile image60
    uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago

    I would be hosting parties everyday for four years.  It is a shame so many of you will be out of the country.  Could you make sure that happens and please consider resettling elsewhere, thanks.

    1. brimancandy profile image81
      brimancandyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just think, with all the people who will mass exit, the unemployment rate will plummet, so everyone can work at McDonalds and Walmart when the Palin administration signs a free trade agreement with Brazil. Bush gave her the idea when she heard him say the country would make a brazillion dollars.
      Only she'll need someone to tell how many zeros there are in a brazillion.
      Because she doesn't have a clue!

  5. brimancandy profile image81
    brimancandyposted 6 years ago

    I was going to say moving to Canada as well. But, I think Canada would have so many Americans running for the border, they would have to put up a fence to keep us out. I think if I did move to Canada, I would go to Vancouver. I heard thats a beautiful city.

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    I live in Canada and I would move to Europe if she became President of the USA...

    1. K9keystrokes profile image93
      K9keystrokesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hilarious UW!

  7. Mikeydoes profile image79
    Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago

    I'd do the same thing I did when Bush and Obama were elected.. nothing

    1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Honestly, I am with you.  I really have far too much to do to worry about such things.  I am quite bored with the hysteria.  My life hasn't changed much under President Hussein.  It didn't change much under any president since I was born, oh with the sole exception of growing up.  I don't really remember Eisenhower but I was only one when he left office.  I guess that was the biggest change for me.  When Kennedy was elected it was like a miracle, by the time he was killed I could walk and talk.  I had never done that before.

    2. Mikeydoes profile image79
      Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I really don't trust anybody in politics but the founding fathers. Like you said the hysteria is ridiculous, its all just a popularity contest, nothing more.

      We should try and get one of thefounding fathers to get back into politics and set everything straight smile

      1. couturepopcafe profile image60
        couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Don't we have one in office right now?  There is some new product on the market which depicts the three greatest U.S. presidents - G. Washington, A. Lincoln and B. Obabama.  I couldn't believe this when I saw it advertised on t.v.  Whether I like B.O. or not, that is some stretch of the imagination.

        1. Mikeydoes profile image79
          Mikeydoesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You are right on that 100%

      2. Neil Sperling profile image88
        Neil Sperlingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I agree - the founding fathers of both your country and ours had vision. Trouble is - today the whole globe is in such a mess, vision for today is impossible. They would not have a clue what to do.

        Times have changed globally - too many people - to much wealth in the hands of too few - and we have stopped looking at ourselves as the solution. We continually point our finger to government and big companies, both for help and to blame.

  8. b. Malin profile image58
    b. Malinposted 6 years ago

    I'd probably wish her well...and hope that she chooses a good group of advisors, and is able to lead this country back to being a Strong, Healthy Nation...with people working, and being able to take care of their families, and be prosperous once more.

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And lollipops will fall from the sky...

  9. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    Of course, there is probably a better chance that Britney Spears will be elected President.

    1. brimancandy profile image81
      brimancandyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think Britney Spears would last about a day. The lollipops falling from the sky would crush her at her inaugeration.  Did I mention that the lollipops are actually Lollipop shaped anvils? Sorry, I have a little buggs bunny in me.

      1. crazyhorsesghost profile image86
        crazyhorsesghostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I truly hate to think that we have come to the point in America where we could elect a Sara Palin. It truly is a sad day in America. And it would be an even sadder day were Palin to be elected President.

        And think about this. Many said that there was no way Obama would ever be elected. We need to have a new party that will be for Americans and kick out both the Republicans and the Democrats. Neither party really cares for the average poor American. All they really care about is lining their pockets. I truly believe that there really is no differnce between rank and file Republicans and Democrats. They just keep a political fuss going to keep the American people from ever getting started on the real important issues like.

        1. Sending all the textile jobs out of America.

        2. 14.000 plus Homeless People live in downtown New Orleans.

        3. Another 300.000 former residents of New Orleans can't come home.

        4. There are many many older Americans who can not afford their utilities and their medicine bills.

        5. The average American lives two pay checks from being homeless.

        6.  The fastest growing population in US Soup Kitchens is women and children.

        Wake up America its later than you think. And the average Republican or Democrat is not going to help you.

        They are going to continue to fight a war that America is afraid to win. We have become a country that must be politically correct. I call it Bullshit. We need to kick every career politician and make term limits a law and ban lobbyists from Washington DC. Do those things and you will have a different America.

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
          uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          BUZZKILL!

          1. Doug Hughes profile image61
            Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The founding fathers anticipated the potential need for term limits so they put in a foolproof device to allow for it.

            It's called elections. If you want to term-limit your rep, vote for someone else.

        2. Paraglider profile image90
          Paragliderposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Good post, especially "It's later than you think".
          You're right. It may be too late already.

          1. earnestshub profile image87
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yep! I reckon it might be out of bed already too.
            Obama is doing nicely in our part of the world through Clinton at this time.  Nice to see you as always Paraglider. smile

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I prefer Patti Smith or Paris Hilton over Britney Spears. Britney won't be ready for a few more years.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EKrji0h9A

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1riiDGBdZWg

  10. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    What fun: Palin as POTUS, maybe Britney can be here Veep.
    And Lindsey Lohan can be ... the new Drug Czar.
    This could be fun.  We could hand-pick the entire cabinet.
    I imagine it would look something like this lol


    http://somethingtocelebrate.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/fruit-cake.jpg

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    2. brimancandy profile image81
      brimancandyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You forgot to put in the word balloons that say "Oh Man I'm Totally Wasted!"
      Let's call Paris Hilton make her secratary of state!

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        Silverfox9999posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If  Ms Palin does become President! The very thought of it is preposterous! Sink me sideways. Stinking seaweeds.! Please exile me to Mars or one of Jupiter's moons,please.

        If,..if....if Ms Palin does become President I recommend that Paris Hilton
        be in charge of Palin's Cabinet...the liquor cabinet.

  11. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I would simply stay in Australia and watch as America got what it deserved for voting the loony b*tch in. smile

    People get the governments they deserve and America got it right with Obama, but did not have enough b*lls to support him when he needed it.

    No sympathy. smile None at all.

    America is going to be a basket case now anyway, and it has nothing to do with the current admin.

    The rest of the world would drop America like a hot bun, yet you still hear Americans saying "We don't care what the rest of the world thinks.
    Well get this. It matters so much that the states will not survive if they do something that fundamentally stupid.

    The women is a lying, fundamentalist who talks in tongues.
    A fully qualified religious loony. smile

    1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Clear out your guest room and stock up on sleeping bags and shampoo.  It would be so nice to export liberals all around the world and if it takes electing Sarah Palin to get that job done I say when do I start.

      1. earnestshub profile image87
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How embarrassing reading comments like this must be for Americans! lol

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
          uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Quite sane, thank you for your concern.  I always do wonder why liberals must denigrate rather than engage. It is fine if you don't.  I don't care one way or the other.

          On liberal/conservative non-communication: a monograph

            I have found that if one is chatting with a liberal it is a waste of time to vest too much effort or time in conversation. We do not share a universe of discourse.  Though the language may appear the same conservatives and liberals share no common meanings.  It is amusing - sometimes their exchanges actually look/sound like conversations but liberals simply cannot comprehend what conservatives are saying.  In fact, conservatives understand liberals far more often and far more thoroughly than liberals can understand conservatives.  Witness the following response

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yawn...

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            Silverfox9999posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Send liberals away? It is analogous to throwing the pilot out of the plane!
            America would become a human quagmire without liberals! I do not like every policy of liberals but  they are more compassionate,trustworthy and
            intelligent than conservatives whose only asset is the blowing of hot air
            16 hours a day to add to global warming!.

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          sandra rinckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Embarrassing?  More like terrifying.  From an American Liberal perspective that is.

  12. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Couldn't agree more with your sentiments, Earnest. We DID get it right with Obama. And we are f-ing it up as we speak.

    And if we (Amurikins) don't quit the John Wayne attitude about the rest of this world, we deserve everything that's coming to us.
    Well, I don't think we would ever deserve Palin. Would we???

  13. Valentine Logar profile image76
    Valentine Logarposted 6 years ago

    Work hard to elect a super majority of progressives at the mid-term to keep her and her insanity in check directly after her election.

    Simple.

    Not that I believe she could ever really be elected. Really?

    Looking good in a skirt and high heels does not electable make. When you get down to it she is poorly educated. She quit her job as governor when it got too hard. She is truly not all that well informed regarding the greater world. She is insubstantial.

    I believe that were she really to run it would energize the middle and the progressives and if nothing else people would vote against her.

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      Silverfox9999posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Palin quit her elected position before her term had expired.What would happen to the country if Lobogarboland invades it and Sarah Palin  who is at a meeting with her cabinet discussing ways of countering the invaders  sees a moose and runs after the moose screaming," Ms Paris
      Hilton take charge I will be back after I catch that moose"?

  14. Paul Wingert profile image78
    Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

    To be honest, I can't believe I got this many responses over a stupid question. Stories from the Right suggesting that she's a contender for 2012 is a joke. She's simply babbling idiot with a small following who takes her seriously although she'd qualify as a MILF until she opens her mouth (to speak)!

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      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think she'll run. Besides she's much more beneficial to America spending her time tweaking people you.

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    sandra rinckposted 6 years ago

    Doubt we would even get to that point since the "new Republican Tea Party congress" has already issued their warning shot promising that if things don't go their way then they will use bullets. 

    Should we be expecting murder in the White House sometime soon?

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      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And turn Obama into a martyr? Not a chance. He doesn't deserve anything but contempt.

      I personally would hate to see it for his girls. They don't deserve to loose their father.

  16. Lisa HW profile image85
    Lisa HWposted 6 years ago

    I'm not Liberal, but my reply to the OP's question is that I'd either kill myself or else move to Canada.  UW, can I come stay for awhile even if I'm not a Liberal?    lol

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Of course smile

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image64
        prettydarkhorseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Can I stay with you too UW?

      2. Lisa HW profile image85
        Lisa HWposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks.   That's a relief.  I'd really rather not kill myself.    smile  (Hopefully, that little election, sci-fi horror scenario, won't be happening next time out any more than it did the last time.)   smile

  17. raisingme profile image89
    raisingmeposted 6 years ago

    I am Canadian and I would want to move to Europe or New Zealand or planet Barfia if Sarah Palin were to be elected President of the United States.  I don't know that most Americans appreciate how much the inner politics of their country effect the rest of the world and that being a neighbour of someone with a loud barking dog can be rather disturbing.  It is interesting also, given that we get both American TV and Canadian stations here how little international news is reported in the US and how much information is actually withheld from American citizens.

  18. blondepoet profile image80
    blondepoetposted 6 years ago

    I am still not sure who she is. I know she is US and in politics but I don't read papers or watch the news smile

  19. camlo profile image83
    camloposted 6 years ago

    I'd wonder what is wrong with people if she were elected President ... I wondered the same when George W. Bush was elected.

  20. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    Sure, we can all pool our money (if we have any left by then) and buy a big house...

  21. salt profile image66
    saltposted 6 years ago

    quack! because if she has a gun, she would probably fire herself!
    (not sure if thats funny or not)
    I can see something quaint about sarah palin, yet I would not give her the keys to the white house.

    I might want to learn how to fish from her - but not the keys to the white house. Dont think a fishing boat is quite the same as the international money markets, managing exchange rates, and GDP, employment and health care. Not quite sure how shed go at peace negotiations in the Middle East. Or how foreign diplomats and leaders might get the impression that somehow she was a misdirected local talk show host who had wandered into the wrong room.

    Ummm, and now for the defence department? How do you think Ms Palin would manage our defence forces?

    Maybe itd all be a bit fishy, maybe she could be a puppet? Umm, who do you think would be pulling the strings??

  22. pisean282311 profile image59
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    i dont know for sure...but her interview would be as entertaining as bushs ones...may be i would open website on palinsm..

  23. kerryg profile image88
    kerrygposted 6 years ago

    Well, I stuck it out for 8 years of hell when Bush got "elected." I'm sure I can stick it out for three more until she resigns to focus on her book tour.

    She is one of the most blatantly greedy and self-serving politicians I've seen in years. I really don't think she'll be able to handle a mere $200,000 a year, even if she can figure out how to charge tax payers for the designer clothes. tongue

  24. couturepopcafe profile image60
    couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago

    Don't think Palin is right for the job.  How does anyone feel about Marco Rubio?  I'd like some thought provoking replies, if it's at all possible.  I know many of you love the little jabs and clever insults but I'd like to hear from anyone who has any facts on him.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Marco Rubio is two-faced. Not any more than any other politician, though, I guess.

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    Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago

    What will she do if they don't pass the bills she wants? Quit? One can only hope.

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    Longhunterposted 6 years ago

    First, I would rejoice that Obama was no longer president that he and Michelle Antoinette were vacationing on their own dime.

    Second, I would be watching to make sure she stuck to a more conservative agenda and worked to fix everything Obama has screwed up royally.

    That being said, I don't think she'll run as she's much more valuable tweaking the hell out of all the liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Communists, and all the other left-leaning, American-haters in this country.

    1. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Actually Obama is working on fixing the eight years of Bush's screw ups which will be around for our grandchildren. We did have a conservative administartion and look what happened! Bush got us into a war based on lies, took a balanced budget and turned it into a 4+ trillion dollar deficet, screwed up the Katrina disaster, appointed a bunch of incompetent idiots into high positions that screw things up even further because these morons were good Bible thumpers. The list goes on.

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        Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Considering how many things Obama has screwed up in TWO years, his criminal-laden cabinet, and his zars, your argument holds absolutely no water whatsoever.

        Lets face it. You drank the Obama cool-aide and you can't move past your hatred for a good man. Sad. Really sad.

        It's simple. You don't like Bush because someone told you to. I, like most Americans, have seen what Obama is trying to do to this country and we've decided it's not going to happen.

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image92
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, come on, guys, just say "I know you are but what am I?"

          It's quicker, and a lot more honest.

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      Amie Warrenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Just so you'll know, Dubyah flew his entire family back to Crawford, TX every weekend for the entire first year of his Presidency, until a major newspaper found out and posted how much it was costing the taxpayers.

      Just sayin...pot..kettle...

  27. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Longhunter,
    How can you say "You don't like Bush because someone told you to."
    ???
    No one had to tell us to hate Bush.
    Anyone who was paying attention hated him for stealing the election in 2000 from Gore.
    Too many people were shell-shocked after 9-11 and believed Bush/Cheney's lies (which coincidentally made Haliburton rich) and voted him another term.
    By the time he left office the entire country had seen the light.
    I guess everyone but you.
    That's sad. Really sad.

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      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Good Lord, Mom, you're STILL squawking about the 2000 election?!?!? REALLY?!?!? GET OVER IT!!! I'm from Tennessee and I can tell you you should be glad Gore didn't get in. 9-11 would have had that idiot in a corner crying in a fetal position. He's nothing but a common con man, a crook. Why do think he didn't even carry Tennessee?

      Haliburton?!?!? AGAIN, REALLY?!?!? My God, you bought a case of the cool-aide and you call me sad.

      Can you come at me with anything other than talking points? From your hubs, i know you have the ability to think for yourself.

      All you can throw at me is the 2000 election, Haliburton, and talking points but you call me sad. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!

      Come on, MOM, I have a feeling you're more intelligent than liberal talking points. Please prove it to me.

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image92
        Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Say it with me, Longhunter: "I know you are, but what am I?"

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          Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I'll stick to repeating the truth you obviously refuse to see or maybe you're one as well.

          "Obama is a Socialist hell bent on destroying America!"

          "Obama is a Socialist hell bent on destroying America!"

          "Obama is a Socialist hell bent on destroying America!"

          "Obama is a Socialist hell bent on destroying America!"

          Some here are saying they would like to leave now that the Republicans are taking over the House. HEY, DELTA IS READY WHEN YOU ARE!!!!!!!

          1. Daniel Carter profile image92
            Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Say it as many times and believe it if you want. A moderate view is likely to be closer to the truth, however. Extremists on both ends of the spectrum are usually the most incorrect and faulty.

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              Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Daniel, I would like to know somethings from you and all the other liberals posting here.

              What do you see wrong with smaller government, much smaller than we have now?

              What do you see wrong with government being in our lives as little as possible?

              What do you see wrong with a government that's fiscally responsible with a lot less spending than they do now? This applies to both parties as well as this and the last president!!!

              What do you see wrong with an able-body person getting off their fat butt, getting a job, and not expecting you and I to support them?

              Tell me what's wrong with those things.

              Now, here's what I want, Danny:

              I want a government that's out of my pocket and out of my life as much as possible.

              I expect the government to protect the country without the head of it flying around the world on our dime kissing every foreign leader's butt he sees and apologizing for us. I don't know about you but I've done nothing to apologize for!!!

              I want less spending and for the government to do as we have to do - live within our means.

              I want a government that will close our borders to illegals streaming across it and (this is going to piss a few people off) kick the ones that are here out, including the anchor babies. If they want to come here, they come here LEGALLY.

              I want a leader that respects the office in which he or she holds whether that's the city councilman of my hometown or the President of the United States.

              I want a president that will stand behind the oath he took not try to destroy the documents that established the country that he was elected to lead and SERVE.

              I want the American way of life back, every damn bit of it, and to simply be left alone by an overbearing government.

              Last but certainly not least, I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK. I want the freedom that so many Americans fought and died for so you and I could sit here and debate something as stupid as Obama's American-hating agenda or some person who doesn't have the experience to be president any more than Obama does.

              Now, tell me what you want, Danny, then tell me why you don't want exactly the same things I've mentioned here and more. You and others here seem to be intelligent people. None of you would be here otherwise  and I respect that and all of you here.

              Tell me what you think without ANY talking points. You may be a Liberal and I AM a Conservative but we're all Americans and that should come first - dare I say it - right after each of our chosen Gods.

              Now, I'm going to take a breath and cut back on the caffeine. I look forward to your hopefully honest responses.

              1. Jeff Berndt profile image92
                Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                "What do you see wrong with smaller government, much smaller than we have now?"
                Government must be powerful enough to intercede on behalf of the citizen when the citizen's rights are violated by a more powerful citizen or group of citizens (e.g. a corporation). If the government is reduced to the level that the minarchists want, it will not be able to enforce rulings upholding an individual's property rights against a corporation.

                "What do you see wrong with government being in our lives as little as possible?"
                I like government keeping out of private citizens' private business. Government shouldn't be able to prohibit two women from marrying, for example. (But for some reason, a lot of the teapotters want government to be big enough to stop the queers from gettin' hitched.) Government should stay out of private citizens' lives unless and until they violate the rights of another citizen or group thereof. I think we probably agree on that. But I also think government needs to be able to keep a close eye on corporations, simply because when they decide to misbehave, it can affect a whole lot of people in a big way. The only people who really want no cops on the beat are the robbers.

                "What do you see wrong with a government that's fiscally responsible with a lot less spending than they do now? This applies to both parties as well as this and the last president!!!"
                Nothing. But deficit spending on stuff like infrastructure isn't the same as deficit spending on stuff like blowing stuff up. The money spent on a blowed up bomb is gone. The money spent on a new and more durable highway (physical or informational) allows for a lot more commercial activity, and therefore is an investment in the future. It's important to recognize that, rather than just say "Spending = Bad."

                "What do you see wrong with an able-body person getting off their fat butt, getting a job, and not expecting you and I to support them?"
                I think that's great, assuming there's a job for them to do that will in fact support them, and not turn out into a situation that ends up having them paying for the privilege of going to work. Seriously, the pay from a minimum wage job minus the cost of child care equals a net loss, most of the time. What intelligent person would choose to take a net loss so they can stack boxes or sling burgers while some stranger gets to hang out with their kids all day? Granted, this changes once the kids are in school, but only for about 9 months out of the year. Solve that issue, and you win the Nobel Prize for Economics.

                1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
                  uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Jeff,

                  You are a fair minded person.  A rare creature, indeed.

                  1. Jeff Berndt profile image92
                    Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks, UCV, I really do try to be.

                2. kerryg profile image88
                  kerrygposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Great post, Jeff. smile

              2. Valentine Logar profile image76
                Valentine Logarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I kept on telling myself I was going to come back to this one. I know you have had a couple of other liberal / progressives respond to you, but I don't think you can get to many of us telling you that we aren't all crazy over here on the left.

                So Longhunter, here is what I want in response to your questions.



                Sorry that I somewhat picked and chose your points,but you had already responded to some of the statements I didn't feel like I needed to ask you to reiterate your answers.

                So now you have another progressives point of view.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image26
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Palin

            Oh lord Satan, shall I push this red button.

          3. profile image60
            Silverfox9999posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I hate anybody that becomes frenzied.What is socialism? Many people who  criticise socialism do not know the meaning of socialism! If you hate socialism then build your own roads,bridges,post offices, hospitals, schools etc. Many aspects of socialism are beneficial but there are some who would accept what the govt. hands to them but would fight with vehemence when somebody not so fortunate is the beneficiary of govt. assistance. To some all aspects of socialism are fine ...but not universal
            healthcare. What convoluted logic,conservatives. You need liberals to
            show you morality!

  28. Flightkeeper profile image77
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    I pray for it daily.  It'll clear the entire nation of libs. lol

    1. kirstenblog profile image77
      kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This seems like the best solution. Drive away the libs and then you have no one left to blame when things don't work out and run amok. Yeah, it could work.

      1. Flightkeeper profile image77
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yup, and wherever those libs go, they can be socialist and go on welfare and everyone will be happy.

        1. kirstenblog profile image77
          kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yup, we can all be happy and eat cake big_smile

          1. Flightkeeper profile image77
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Cake?!  No you guys would eat a three bean salad or something.  Cake is caloric, fatty, and unhealthy.  We would eat cake. big_smile

            1. kirstenblog profile image77
              kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I am very liberal with my calories! I just make sure I go for daily walks and stay active big_smile

    2. Anolinde profile image86
      Anolindeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL .. if only they would actually do it!  They said the same thing about how they'd move out of the country if Bush were re-elected, but I didn't see any mass emigration in 2004 (or did I just miss it since I don't live in the US)? tongue

      1. Flightkeeper profile image77
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I know, it was such a huge disappointment.  I still don't understand why with all their bellyaching about how much better it is in Europe, Canada, and other socialized countries that they don't move there.

      2. kirstenblog profile image77
        kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't wait for him to be re-elected. I left shortly after bushes first term, 2002. I think I was probably more liberal minded back then too, I am a bit more center now smile (still glad to have left tho)

  29. CYBERSUPE profile image62
    CYBERSUPEposted 6 years ago

    Born in AMERICA some 79 years ago, I have seen many Highs and Lows in our wonderful country. I served her in wartime and to me it is still "AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL".

    1. adrienne2 profile image81
      adrienne2posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I would totally SCREAM if Palin became President, then keep hubbing. (lol)

    2. K9keystrokes profile image93
      K9keystrokesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      CYBERSUPE, I'm with you.

  30. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    I don't think Palin has a chance in hell. I hope we get a moderate-conservative in. Palin is too far right for me, and I think she's unstable.

    I AM looking forward to her television series about Alaska, however! Maybe after watching that I'll like her on a personal level. I like Obama on a personal level, but I don't think he's a good prez, and Palin wouldn't be, either. On the other hand, I didn't care for Clinton personally, but he was an effective POTUS.

    1. kirstenblog profile image77
      kirstenblogposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I can dig that! Here in London, our mayor is funny as hell. Don't think he should be in politics tho hmm
      Ahhh Boris roll

    2. K9keystrokes profile image93
      K9keystrokesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Habee has given us the winning answer!

  31. Jeff Berndt profile image92
    Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago

    I'd just be embarrassed, and perhaps I'd write a note of apology to the rest of the world, on behalf of America, for our collective stupidity.

    And then I'd work to limit and/or undo the damage she will try to inflict until she eventually gets distracted by some shiny object and resigns.

    1. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol You made me laugh out loud, Jeff. Thanks for that!

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image92
        Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Glad to be of service, Daniel. smile

  32. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Back to the OP.
    I would immediately exercise my Second Amendment rights.
    It would be worth it.

  33. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Oh come on,LL.
    You are free to criticize Obama all you want.
    However, it's flat-out lazy to level the same criticisms at him as are leveled at Palin.
    They could not be more opposite in their approach and delivery.

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How can you say that? She doesn't understand much was his claim, and what Obama does? Obama still thinks that it isn't what he did that caused the drubbing in the elections it was his inability to explain the benefits of it to his stupid subjects! Obama's misunderstanding list would be long if I had to document it all.

      As fare as delivery, Obama doesn't go anywhere without his teleprompter. Anytime he has to speak with out it he puts his foot in his mouth! At least Palin can talk without one.

      Really Obama's intelligence and ability is over rated and Palin has been unfairly mischaracterized.

  34. Neil Sperling profile image88
    Neil Sperlingposted 6 years ago

    LOL -- I would marry her daughter and party with all you Americans who moved here to Canada. (maybe I could get a piece of the pension fund Sarah would have...... LOL)

    Just remember "our tax freedom day is June and yours was April..... but yours will soon be June along with ours.... sad!"

    Oh well - I party hard people so we'll have fun.

    As per founding fathers comment - I agree - the founding fathers of both your country and ours had vision. Trouble is - today the whole globe is in such a mess, vision for today is impossible. They ( the founding fathers) would not have a clue what to do.

    Times have changed globally - too many people - to much wealth in the hands of too few - and we have stopped looking at ourselves as the solution. We continually point our finger to government and big companies, both for help and to blame.

  35. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    I am sure Daniel Carter and possibly others will respond but I will answer for myself. BTW, I am not a Liberal.

    1. What do you see wrong with smaller government, much smaller than we have now?
    I see NOTHING wrong with smaller government. I live in California, where the government is bankrupting the state.


    2. What do you see wrong with government being in our lives as little as possible?
    That sounds like a lovely utopian dream. Unfortunately, it assumes that people will "do the right thing" and "mind their own business" and neither are true. There are areas where we NEED government in our lives.
    I imagine we disagree as to which areas those are, however.


    3. What do you see wrong with a government that's fiscally responsible with a lot less spending than they do now? This applies to both parties as well as this and the last president!!!
    No argument there. Although Conservatives love to label us "tax and spend liberals" that is a misnomer.
    Our elected officials should be able to make a budget, figure out where the revenue is coming from and set spending accordingly.

    What do you see wrong with an able-body person getting off their fat butt, getting a job, and not expecting you and I to support them?
    4. Where exactly do you live? Have you seen the unemployment figures state by state? There are a LOT of able-bodied people who would love to have a job. Who, before the recession HAD a job. I am not talking about generations of welfare families (which I do not want either).

    Tell me what's wrong with those things.


    Now, here's what I want, Danny:

    I want a government that's out of my pocket and out of my life as much as possible.
    5. Do you agree that as a citizen of this country you have an obligation to pay taxes at all?

    I expect the government to protect the country without the head of it flying around the world on our dime kissing every foreign leader's butt he sees and apologizing for us. I don't know about you but I've done nothing to apologize for!!!
    6. Protect our country? Well, then right there you are talking about a government program. And who is going to pay for that?
    The other people who want no government and want government out of their pockets? Perhaps we should privatize this function as well?
    Flying around on our dime? What is that about? Presidents have flown around the world as part of their job function for a long as their have been airplanes. Who would you expect to pay for their trips?
    How about our Secretary of State? Should she pay to do the country's business abroad also?
    As for apologizing for us,the United States has plenty to apologize for. We had a bunch of chickenhawk, arrogant bullies in power for 8 years. Bush et al gave the US a big black eye.
    Obama is attempting to restore our image globally.
    I think you can see from international posters to this forum that America is not viewed externally as favorably as we once were.
    And frankly, Americans who travel abroad and show attitudes like yours are known as "UGLY" Americans. They ARE an embarrassment.

    I want less spending and for the government to do as we have to do - live within our means.
    7. You already covered that above.

    I want a government that will close our borders to illegals streaming across it and (this is going to piss a few people off) kick the ones that are here out, including the anchor babies. If they want to come here, they come here LEGALLY.
    8. You know, this issue seems so Black and White, until you realize you are talking about people's lives. Our borders ARE closed to illegals and Obama sent more troops (National Guard) to help.

    I want a leader that respects the office in which he or she holds whether that's the city councilman of my hometown or the President of the United States.
    9. I will resist the temptation to point out that your sentences is grammatically incorrect. Not even close to a Palinism, but just sayin'....
    We are agreed here. And I believe there are public servants to DO respect their offices. And they are not all Blue and they are not all Red. And the ones who abuse their power make every one of them look bad.

    I want a president that will stand behind the oath he took not try to destroy the documents that established the country that he was elected to lead and SERVE.
    10. Duh.

    I want the American way of life back, every damn bit of it, and to simply be left alone by an overbearing government.
    11. We all want that. Unfortunately, the "American way of life" ain't coming back as long as we tout illiteracy and act as if we are the only country in the world. We can't turn back the clock to 1776 or even 1945 or even 1968 or 1988.
    Sorry.

    Last but certainly not least, I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK. I want the freedom that so many Americans fought and died for so you and I could sit here and debate something as stupid as Obama's American-hating agenda or some person who doesn't have the experience to be president any more than Obama does.
    12. Now you're talking.

    Now, tell me what you want, Danny, then tell me why you don't want exactly the same things I've mentioned here and more. You and others here seem to be intelligent people. None of you would be here otherwise  and I respect that and all of you here.

    Tell me what you think without ANY talking points. You may be a Liberal and I AM a Conservative but we're all Americans and that should come first - dare I say it - right after each of our chosen Gods.

    Now, I'm going to take a breath and cut back on the caffeine. I look forward to your hopefully honest responses.

    1. crazyhorsesghost profile image86
      crazyhorsesghostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great Post Mighty Mom

      First of all Obama is dumb as a rock and I can not believe the American people elected him.

      With that said let me ask you all. Have you even done any research about Palin.

      When she became mayor of Wasilla Alaska population 5469 was in debt to the tune of 0 . When Palin left office they owed 20 million dollars. About $3000 per resident. Come on people think about that one.

      And I'm not going to hunt them all down but she did a lot of stupid things as Governor of Alaska.

      Small non intrusive government would be great but the current political parties are not going to do it. And if you think they are they are, your  lying to your self. The National Debt today is 14 trillion dollars. And guess who did that to you. Good old Republicans and Democrats. Yes both parties. Tea Parties won't work. What might help is term limits on Senators and Congressmen. Ban all paid lobbyists from Washington D.C. And then you would have a different government in Washington D.C.

      In case you don't know the last time the National Debt was paid off was the Clinton Administration. When Bill Clinton left office their was a surplus. Guess who built up that 14 trillion dollars. Bush and Obama. But yet people will get on here and bicker back and forth and get angry about it. When who you all should be mad at is the good old Republicans and Democrats. They are all crooks and its later than you think. Wake up America.

      1. Valentine Logar profile image76
        Valentine Logarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have to quickly answer this one

        You don't graduate Magna Cum Laude from anywhere being "Dumb as a rock". Nor do you become the Editor of Harvard Law. It simply doesn't happen. You may not like the man, may not like what he is doing, neither do I; but dumb? No, that he is not.

        Clinton balanced the budget, however there was still a national debt. Most people don't understand this.

        Obama has not added to the deficit as budgets are 2 year budgets and he has not proposed a budget yet. What is built up, with a small exception is what is remaining from the Bush budget. Most people don't understand this, but it is nonetheless the truth.

        1. crazyhorsesghost profile image86
          crazyhorsesghostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The smartest politician in modern history was most likely Clinton.

          Obama came along at a time that the average American was playing the politically correct game. Read about his speeches while he was a setting US Senator or go to You Tube and listen to them. Listen to his words. And when you do ask yourself , How did this man ever get elected President.

          Programs like say the bail out of the automobile companies , bail out of the banks , and the little checks sent out to a large portion of Americans all add up in that budget. But now Obama and his administration says they are going to stop spending money so I guess we can all hold hands and sing.

          Obama has made many many mistakes and broken promises to the American people. One big one was that he would end the war in Iraq and pull the American troops out. We still have north of 50.000 troops still there. America is still trying to be the police to the world and it will never work. We fight wars while trying to be politically correct. It will never work.

          Afghanistan threatens to become another Vietnam. ( Hey Hey LBJ How Many Kids Did You Kill Today) Do those words bring back any memories. It may not be very long before Obama hears songs just like that.

          And before you start saying how smart he is. In his own book he admits he used marijuana and cocaine. How smart can he be. But wait it is politically correct to support Obama. His administration has made many claims that just simply are not true. Like appointing the first Hispanic to the Supreme Court. Well it wasn't Obama. Look it up it was way back and it was not Obama.

          Obama is Americas way of trying to be politically correct.

          And now the Obama administration is delving into Social Security. Raising the retirement age to 69 is one of their proposals. If they mess with Social Security Obama will not be reelected. Maybe Palin will have a chance after all. Scary thought isn't it.

          You can say he's smart but the real question is why does he not even try to keep the promises he made to get elected. Why indeed.

          I for the record do not support either the Republicans or the Democrats. I think both fine parties should be kicked out of office. And yes the so called tea party should go right along with them.

          I can not believe that the average American does not do any research before supporting the politicians they support. Why not just read their own books and your eyes might suddenly open. The average American politician does not really care for you at all. They hope to line their pockets with more money and they put on their political spin and feed the average American a bunch of lies and half truths.

          Ask Obama why the fastest growing population in US Soup Kitchen lines is women and children. Why? Why do we see commercials begging to send in your dollars to feed children over seas while children right here in our own country go to bed hungry every night. Charity should begin here in American not 6000 miles away.

          14.000 Homeless People live under the Interstate 10 bridge and other locations in New Orleans and 300.000 more people still can not come home to New Orleans. A couple of blocks out of the tourist areas in New Orleans and it looks much the same as it did just after Katrina. But Obama is doing a fine job isn't he. And Bush before him didn't do anything either.

          Wake up America. The politicians spin and lie to you and unfortunately a lot of the American people believe them. What you should be doing is voting them out of office and voting in a party that would care for America first and to hell with the rest of the world until all the problems here in America are taken care of first.

          1. Valentine Logar profile image76
            Valentine Logarposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Not the bail out of the auto industry as the money wasn't free.
            Not the bail out of the banks either.

            In both cases these were loans and in both cases much of the money has been paid back.

            Yes, he used drugs in his youth. Yes he admitted to their use. Guess what? So did many of his contemporaries. Some still do.

            It is not the Obama administration suggesting raising retirement age, it is the newly minted Republicans with their new ideas to cut spending.  It is not Obama and his administration that wants to privatize Social Security, that also is the Republicans.

            It is unfortunate that most don't know all the legislation that has been passed under his watch, he has kept many of his promises. His administration hasn't been good at talking up what has been done under his watch. What the Republicans have been very good at is laying at his doorstep the results of 8 years of bad fiscal management, you have just done the same.

            I don't disagree with you about the wars by the way, it is one of the biggest disappointments of his presidency thus far.

            The truth is I don't believe he has been an effective POTUS. I believe his willingness to compromise his agenda with the Right has undermined his effectiveness and he has sold out his promises to his constituents. But dumb, no I don't believe he is that.

            As for Clinton, yes agreed without a doubt the smartest President in the past one hundred years.

            1. crazyhorsesghost profile image86
              crazyhorsesghostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Obama quite possibly does have some good ideals but with the Republicans controlling the Congress he will never have a chance. The people around him are as much to blame for his mistakes as him. Hilliary is probably the smartest member of his cabinet but she can only do so much.

              The Obama Administration promised to much in order to get him elected and they have a hell of a fight coming up in two years. If they could stay together they might stand a chance but I'm betting we will see some big names leave in the next two years. Hillary may still yet challenge him in two years and that would really be interesting.

              I think myself that America needs a third party that would be for America first and to hell with any other country. But the next two years will be interesting for sure.

  36. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    I am all for banning lobbyists from access to ANY government bodies!
    And yes, Cags. You are spot on about the deficit.
    War is not healthy for anyone!!

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If you ban lobbyists who will write the laws?

  37. Lifeallstar1 profile image60
    Lifeallstar1posted 6 years ago

    I wonder who would have lost the election to her...Imagine how they would feel? Worse than the last kid picked for kick ball.

  38. profile image0
    DoorMattnomoreposted 6 years ago

    If Sarah became president,  I would live my life same as always. I would pay my taxes and work hard and get by.

    1. Neil Sperling profile image88
      Neil Sperlingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      door mat no more you say?

  39. schoolgirlforreal profile image74
    schoolgirlforrealposted 6 years ago

    I never heard she was running, but I don't like her, not sure why I think it's because I don't trust her?

    I don't really trust any politicians , I think they are all ...don't know the word

    oh, dishonest!!!

  40. KeithTax profile image79
    KeithTaxposted 6 years ago

    What would I do?

    Probably laugh, asking: "Why is Bill Clinton at the White House so much?

    Are the Republicans and Democrats that close now?

  41. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    As a matter of fact, Bill is tight with Bush Sr. and I have heard rumors that Barbara likes him better than she likes W!

    I suppose Bill could be interested in Sarah, but she'd have to put on more than a few pounds and wear a beret. lol
    And does that mean Hillary gets Todd???

    1. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wait...I'm tring to get a mental picture of Todd and Hil...NO!!!!!! Mush those huskies!

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image92
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I really wish we'd had Bush Sr. instead of Bush Jr. in office in Y2K. I really think the country (and possibly other countries) would have ended up in better shape.

  42. Ralph Deeds profile image71
    Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago

    I'd apply for a job as a speech writer or even a page in the White House.

  43. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    I'm reminded of a 2008 primary campaign cartoon I saw. Bill was watching Hil speak, and he was thinking,"Somewhere there's a good-lookin' fat chick in a hot tub, and I'm stuck here listening to HER drone on and on about healthcare..."

  44. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    I often wonder how much Bill's philandering hurt Hillary in 2008. He was definitely perceived as a "loose cannon" at the time -- seems to have mellowed out in the last couple of years.

    Was just joshin' about Hil and Todd (sorry for the mental image). Although I bet she'd do well hunting moose from a helicopter and may even know how to clean a fish. She's pretty darned resourceful, that one!

    Me, I keep wishing Sarah would go out shooting with Dick Cheney!

  45. profile image0
    GladYaMetMe!posted 6 years ago

    http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/murdochsdream.jpg

    1. earnestshub profile image87
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol

      1. profile image0
        GladYaMetMe!posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Earnest and thanks too for all of that informative car advice!

    2. Neil Sperling profile image88
      Neil Sperlingposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      LOL - awesome

    3. Ralph Deeds profile image71
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Great job, Wiz! You should have photo-shopped those pictures a bit.

      1. profile image0
        GladYaMetMe!posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks Ralph; let's hope this satire of a nightmare scenario doesn't come true and truly end the American dream.

  46. Jeff Berndt profile image92
    Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago

    I have some questions:

    "I want a president that will stand behind the oath he took not try to destroy the documents that established the country that he was elected to lead and SERVE."

    In exactly what way has the president "destroyed" the Constitution? Please explain that, and pretend I'm an intelligent 5th grader. Use small words, so I'll be sure to understand.

    "I want the American way of life back, every damn bit of it, and to simply be left alone by an overbearing government."

    This is so vague as to be nearly devoid of semantic value. What parts of the "American way of life" have gone away? Which parts do you want to return? Because some parts of our past were pretty ugly, and I'm glad they're gone, and hope they never return.


    "Last but certainly not least, I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK. I want the freedom that so many Americans fought and died for so you and I could sit here and debate something as stupid as Obama's American-hating agenda or some person who doesn't have the experience to be president any more than Obama does."

    What freedoms have been taken from you? Please list them. Are you no longer free to keep and bear arms? Run a printing press? Speak out against the government? Peaceably assemble? Petition the government for redress of grievances? Worship as you choose? Not be punished cruelly or unusually? Not be forced to testify against yourself in court?

    What freedoms of yours have been taken away? A list, please. Naming the freedom lost, and the means by which they were taken from you. I really really want to know.

    1. profile image0
      Longhunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "I want a president that will stand behind the oath he took not try to destroy the documents that established the country that he was elected to lead and SERVE."

      In exactly what way has the president "destroyed" the Constitution? Please explain that, and pretend I'm an intelligent 5th grader. Use small words, so I'll be sure to understand.

      If you'll look at my original statement, it says "try to destroy", the key word being "try." I assume "try" isn't too big for you or are you just pretending to be "an intelligent 5th grader." And, whether you like it or not, yes, I do think Obama and the Dems are "trying" to destroy the Constitution. Given the chance, I think they would tear it up and burn it on the steps of the Capital. I'm sure you won't agree on this one but that's okay. That's still allowed here for the time being.

      "Last but certainly not least, I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK. I want the freedom that so many Americans fought and died for so you and I could sit here and debate something as stupid as Obama's American-hating agenda or some person who doesn't have the experience to be president any more than Obama does."

      What freedoms have been taken from you? Please list them. Are you no longer free to keep and bear arms? Run a printing press? Speak out against the government? Peaceably assemble? Petition the government for redress of grievances? Worship as you choose? Not be punished cruelly or unusually? Not be forced to testify against yourself in court?

      What freedoms of yours have been taken away? A list, please. Naming the freedom lost, and the means by which they were taken from you. I really really want to know.

      I was writing this in reference to a problem we're having here in Tennessee. It had to do with handgun carry laws and I have a Handgun Carry Permit. I realize now this was the wrong forum for that as the focus was far too narrow. My apologies on that one.

      "What do you see wrong with an able-body person getting off their fat butt, getting a job, and not expecting you and I to support them?"

      I think that's great, assuming there's a job for them to do that will in fact support them, and not turn out into a situation that ends up having them paying for the privilege of going to work. Seriously, the pay from a minimum wage job minus the cost of child care equals a net loss, most of the time. What intelligent person would choose to take a net loss so they can stack boxes or sling burgers while some stranger gets to hang out with their kids all day? Granted, this changes once the kids are in school, but only for about 9 months out of the year. Solve that issue, and you win the Nobel Prize for Economics.

      I'm perfectly aware of the present economic situation. I have several friends and family members out of work. But all of them are at least actively looking for a job and have taken lesser paying jobs to get by. I've done the same thing myself.

      That being said, I see people everyday that could go get a job at McDonald's or bagging groceries but won't because they don't want to do that kind of work. They have no work ethic and prefer to live on welfare and food stamps. Every time I go to the store for groceries, I'll see someone paying with food stamps while talking on the latest cell phone then they go out a get in their Cadillac Escalade.

      I work with a girl that lives with her gainfully-employed baby-daddy but is on WIC, a state program that provides baby formula and other food to women, infants, and children. She gets all this stuff free, refuses to get married because she'll loose it all, and, as a result, has the money to party and for skydiving lessons. Surely, you don't think that's right. We've both worked hard to get what we have and I don't like supplementing people like these lifestyles.

      "What do you see wrong with government being in our lives as little as possible?"

      I like government keeping out of private citizens' private business. Government shouldn't be able to prohibit two women from marrying, for example. (But for some reason, a lot of the teapotters want government to be big enough to stop the queers from gettin' hitched.) Government should stay out of private citizens' lives unless and until they violate the rights of another citizen or group thereof. I think we probably agree on that.

      You're right, Jeff, I do agree. I have a cousin who's gay. I personally believe it's genetic for most gays. For some it's not but, either way, it's their choice. I don't care. It's none of my business.

      But I also think government needs to be able to keep a close eye on corporations, simply because when they decide to misbehave, it can affect a whole lot of people in a big way. 

      I agree here as well. I use to work for American General. It was bought by AIG a few years after I left. I know several people who, through no fault of their own, would have been financially crushed and lost everything. These were not management, just worker pee-ons.

      The only people who really want no cops on the beat are the robbers.

      Then we need a whole lot more cops in D.C. because there's a lot of robbers that need to be locked up.

      Have a good weekend.

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image92
        Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "If you'll look at my original statement, it says "try to destroy", the key word being "try." I assume "try" isn't too big for you or are you just pretending to be "an intelligent 5th grader." And, whether you like it or not, yes, I do think Obama and the Dems are "trying" to destroy the Constitution. Given the chance, I think they would tear it up and burn it on the steps of the Capital. I'm sure you won't agree on this one but that's okay. That's still allowed here for the time being."
        Okay, they're trying to destroy the constitution. But that still doesn't answer my question: how? How are they trying to destroy it? What steps have they taken toward their goal? What steps have succeeded? What steps have failed? How close are they to their alleged goal of "destroying the constitution?" Specifics, please. Rhetoric like "They're destroying the constitution" is so vague as to be meaningless, unless you have a specific example or three.

        "I was writing this in reference to a problem we're having here in Tennessee. It had to do with handgun carry laws and I have a Handgun Carry Permit. I realize now this was the wrong forum for that as the focus was far too narrow. My apologies on that one."
        No apologies needed, a handgun carry situation is exactly the kind of thing I was asking about. But isn't your permit issued (or not) at the state level? I don't follow Tennessee politics closely enough (at all, really) to be able to talk intelligently about them, so I defer to your fellow Tennesseeans.

        "That being said, I see people everyday that could go get a job at McDonald's or bagging groceries but won't because they don't want to do that kind of work. They have no work ethic and prefer to live on welfare and food stamps. Every time I go to the store for groceries, I'll see someone paying with food stamps while talking on the latest cell phone then they go out a get in their Cadillac Escalade."
        Yes, I'm sure that's more common lately, esp since a lot of folks who used to be squarely in the middle class have lost jobs, home equity, and value on their investments. Now they're trying to make do on food stamps and perhaps one of those grocery-bagging jobs. Should they have to also turn in the car they bought (and paid for) back when times were better and they had a job that paid a lot?

        "I work with a girl that lives with her gainfully-employed baby-daddy but is on WIC, a state program that provides baby formula and other food to women, infants, and children. She gets all this stuff free, refuses to get married because she'll loose it all, and, as a result, has the money to party and for skydiving lessons. Surely, you don't think that's right."
        Right? Heck, its none of my business. I wouldn't do it myself, but I like being married (and all the privileges that come with it). But since they aren't married, there's all kinds of stuff they don't get to take advantage of, too, like access to each other at the hospital (if, heaven forbid, they should need it) for example. All of the stuff that the gay marriage advocates want for gay couples, this couple doesn't get, 'cos they aren't married. I predict that this will eventually bite them in the arse.

  47. ahorseback profile image46
    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Sarah Palin for president! or Reelect Pres Obama , Guess what liberals and conservatives , IT DOESNT MATTER . American have decided to use the "american idol" mentality for deciding the futures of your grandchildren , Listen to this ! Scanning down through the replies here  , anyone with half a brain can tell not many of you know what a good canidate is !I guess Im just happy that a lot of the responders here dont live next door to me. We as Americans have to get our heads out of seventh grade and  grow up. And canada , I too have been to Canada and had someone say "whats with your president Bush", Guess what folks I dont really care who Canada wants to be my president . Perhaps Canada can solve its own problems. One thing thats starting to burn me is Americans adopting the mentality that somehow you have to appolagize for being Americans , Perhaps if we could get the rest of the world off their behinds and change their on country for the better , we wouldn't have to be everyones big brother , mommy or daddy!

    1. crazyhorsesghost profile image86
      crazyhorsesghostposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have to agree with you on this. Its sad but your right on point.

  48. blackjava profile image53
    blackjavaposted 6 years ago

    What's the big deal about Sarah Palin. You voted for Bush didn't you and look what that got you smile

    1. Paul Wingert profile image78
      Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I personally didn't vote for Bush in 2000 and 2004 and neither did half of the United States. Of couse Palin provides the comedians with plenty of material.

  49. Paul Wingert profile image78
    Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

    In his interviews, Bush faults John McCain for choosing Palin as a running mate for the 2008 election and introducing her to the world. McCain chose Palin to try to appeal to the women voters. All McCain did was insult the female voter's intellegence buy introducing a ding-bat. He'd be better off by using a sock puppet. He was doing very well in the polls while Obama and Hillary were insulting each other in the primaries. Then McCain chose Palin and things really went into the toilet for him. When the smoke cleared it was Obama/"Foot-in-the-Mouth Biden against McCain/Palin, better known as "The Maveric and the MILF".

  50. Joy56 profile image60
    Joy56posted 6 years ago

    i do not know much about her as i am not American, but i saw her watching her daughter dancing.... i hope she is better at what she does, than her daughter is at dancing..... she is really bad.....

 
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