Great...the drug cartels get the guns and our officials are only allowed to fire back with bean bags. There is no justification for this!
http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/a … b8a31.html
Ok, that is really interesting. Of course it's the "Obama Regime" who ordered this... clandestine, right? So if a military officer goes nuts and shoots up an army installation, is that also the fault of the "Obama Regime?" I mean, the ATF and the Military are both under control of the Administration...
Or does it mean that someone or some people at the ATF went rogue and didn't follow protocol? I am guessing that may be the case, but it's sounds better if you blame the president.....
You think it was a rogue operation? I guess Janet Incompetano will be telling us soon enough.
Another funny thread. You're becoming amusing with your posts AnnCee.
America's government have been sending weapons to Mexico for decades. It's just not always been common knowledge.
Odd, it goes right to the story for me. Here's the story:
The link is in the OP.
Yeah.... that's what we are all wondering, I expect...
Yeah it is... that doesn't mean the president ordered it or knew about it. I worked for the DOD in the 90's and technically speaking 10 levels up the ladder Bush and Clinton were my "bosses." I assure you they had no direct communication with me....
Buck stops on Bush's desk on this one I suppose. All of Obama's bucks stop on Bush's desk.
Is the president of the United States responsible for his administration? Usually.
Obama? Maybe not. He's an artful dodger when it comes to responsibility. Have you not noticed that?
Actually no, I hadn't noticed he has dodged anything. I am not defending him - neither am I looking to villify him. You and Lady Love have a personal hate campaign against the current administration, and that's cool - Everything bad, or in Lady Love's case "made up," that happens news-wise in the US is the direct result of Obama's hate for America. I mean there are very legitimate complaints to be levied against his administration, but you don't address them - not in any rational way at any rate. The buck ultimately does stop at the president's desk - you are correct - but you assume that everything that happens at every Federal agency happens because Obama calls them up on the phone and orders it. That isn't the way it works in private enterprise and a huge company and it isn't the way it works in government. Now if the president orders or is aware of something like this, then shame on him - let the chips fall hard against him....
We have a president who refuses to enforce the law on the Arizona border. HIS ICE has declared they will be "too busy" to process any illegals Arizona authorities turn over to them. A lawsuit has been filed by the Obama administration against the people of Arizona for a law they passed in order to help alleviate the problems caused by illegal aliens in their state.
Texas farmers are now being targeted by Mexican criminals.
This president does nothing about it and sues Americans who try to defend themselves.
A Mexican illegal who committed a foul murder has been released in the United States.
A rancher was sued successfully by illegal Mexicans he found and detained on his private property.
This administration had a policy that allowed weapons to be walked into Mexico to be used by Mexican criminals.
You know, it's funny - Ron Montgomery on another forum where you spouted the same nonesense set you straight on the following: more money has been spent in the last two years on border security, more deportations in the last two years, and less illegal immigration in the last 2 years than there was in 2005. In fact, it has been declining steadily since 2004. Now you can choose to ignore that or you can choose to accept it. I mean I could argue that water isn't "wet" but I would look like an idiot.
So let me go out on a limb here: You don't like Mexicans, immigrants in general - legal or otherwise, Muslims, democrats Obama,, healthcare reform, financial reform, etc.. Did I leave anything out? Oh Medicare, Medicaid, Department of Education, EPA - well I guess I could go on and on. I might suggest that you create you own nation - take a corner of some God-forsaken region of your state and declare it yours - make gold your national currency, hire a travelling preacher and a hired gun, buy a horse, and shoot yourself an interloper. Put John Wayne on your charter if you want.
And the administration believes the Arizona law is unconstitional - you like to throw that word around. So they have sued. Now the states, including Arizona of course with its tin-foil-hat-wearing govenor, believe the healthcare reform law is unconstitutional, so they are sueing the federal government.
So I guess the questions is this: If a state can sue over a supposed constitutional issue, then what is wrong with the federal goverment sueing over another potential constitutional law? Federal law trumps state law. You may not like that, but it's a fact.
Do you people really believe that the Articles of Confederation are the law of the land? I mean seriously....
Just saying a thing doesn't make it so.
Numbers are down because of the Obama economy, there aren't as many good jobs for illegals.
I resent your statement that I don't like Mexicans. You don't know a thing about me. And the opinions I put forth I put forth with actual evidence, unlike the opinions you put forth.
You want to see the federal stats on illegal immigration that "I am making up..?" Or are you afraid to be just another idealogue with no fact to support their assertions? I mean the facts are pretty damn clear. I based what I said on demostratable facts - not rhetoric. So if you want to deny what I stated regarding border enforcement, find the FACTS AND POST THEM! Try non-partisan sources - it's a good start. The only opinion I posted earlier was regarding your apparent dislike of everyone who doesn't meet what your view of a real American is or what a real American should be.
By the way, you want to dry-up the illegal immigration from Mexico and further south, dry-up the source - ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AREN'T THE ONES DOING THE HIRING OF ILLEGAL ALIENS. You think it might have something to do with American citizens/business people trying to maximize their bottom line?????? Do you think if Americans didn't hire illegals they would be here??? No way in hell.... Careful what you wish for though - illegas and theirl labor have subsidized our food industry for years. You and others hate illegals but you don't seem to mind reaping the reward when it comes to relatively cheap food.
And I resent your hate-filled rhetoric.
AnnCee; You said yesterday that you were going to report me for following you around and lying on you. I have written in the political forum since I started with hubpages and If I'm going to write here I can't avoid you. Did you report me yet so they can explain to you that you are paranoid about me?
"ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AREN'T THE ONES DOING THE HIRING OF ILLEGAL ALIENS." So how much food commodity exports does US agribusiness dump south of the border putting farmers there out of business?
It's a thirty year old problem spanning many administrations. Republicans want cheap labor, Democrats want voters. Both parties are killing the middle class. Well except the Democrats are growing the public employee middle class whose union dues support them.
Excellent point about the dumping of food exports "below cost" south of the border and creating a wasteland in the former farming industry in northern Mexico... NAFTA, correct?
Ha! The pathetic race card, the only argument at a liberal's disposal.
Your Thread is titled:
"Obama Regime Deliberately Sent Weapons Into Mexico"
...but your reference is about a sting operation to nail the major druglords by tracing these same guns.
A bit of a stretch on your part, is it?
Regime? How so?
You're making AnnCee sound like Ann Coulter.
Ok, Like I said, it was a sting operation, not the "Obama Regime" giving guns to Mexican drug dealers because he liked them.
Maybe Obama was exercising his Second Amendment rights...
I didn't say it was Obama giving guns to Mexican drug dealers because he likes them. I am attempting to make the point that his administration is inept in their handling of the situation on the southern border.
I agree with Rep. Lamar Smith who said, “Even with all the money in the world, the administration would not succeed in securing the border because they are not serious about it.”
I must have misinterpreted the title, "Obama Regime Deliberately Sent Weapons Into Mexico"
I guess having more guns on the street in Mexico didn't help. It only works here.
You better get on it and solve it for him then.
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