This is NEWS? It's been known for centuries. War is real. Threat is real. Torture is real. It's always been real and continues. Documenting it in this way won't make it go away. Prosecution won't make it go away. Prove otherwise.
Well, a prisoner is never held by his own choice so I guess anything and everything is torture now. By this reasoning, the circulation of blood in your body is torture, since it is an involuntary function.
And? An article in the New Yorker citing "anecdotal evidence" is proof of what now? No one ever said it was 'fun,' but it is not "torture." If you want to stretch definitions to such ridiculous lengths then why not say that any kind of confinement is torture? Depriving someone of their liberty is torture, repeated questioning is torture, paying a fine is torture, not eating your favorite food everyday is torture, not driving a new car is torture, watching 'The View' is torture (ok, that one really is). Would you prefer your hero be kept in a general population setting? Can you guess what would happen to the likes of him in such a setting? Kinda defeats the purpose of a suicide watch.
America has always endorsed torture. Torturing an American citizen with in the borders of our coutry is what the country endorses now. What crime could possibly justify toreturing an American citizen by our government? Telling the truth about our government to the majority of freedom loving Americans who support and fight for the right to be lied to on an hourly basis, God Bless The Faux News Network. Our government kills 1,000,000 innocent people and Americans get pissed because someone told them about it. God Bless American and please pray that the entire country removes it's head from the ass it so loves to kiss.
If Manning is really suicidal, then the suicide prevention measures are for his own good and justified. If this is being done as a type of punishment, then it's obviously improper.
I don't see that his atty. has made the case for the latter. Sleeping under a blanket w/o shorts is hardly a gulag punishment. If he should succeed at suicide, the facility would be blamed, as they should be.
This is quite a far cry from "It's official! The US now embraces torture!" which is an exaggeration at best.
Any incarceration facility is responsible for taking all steps possible to protect it's population -- this includes suicide prevention. Quantico did the right thing by taking these precautions if Manning is considered at risk by statements he made. It's in the WashPost story.
This is about proper confinement procedures, not politics.
The thread is about personal opinions -- the referenced article, which I addressed is about the question of whether Manning is being protected or punished by the Quantico personnel.
His lawyer's assertions haven't been validated so injury prevention procedures should be and are, in place. If Q did NOT do this, they would be at fault for the results but they are, at worst, guilty of being overcautious with their high-profile prisoner.
A State Dept. inquiry has been ordered to determine whether Manning is being deprived of his rights.
Lalalalalalala it's not torture lalalalalalala I reject your reality and assert my own lalalalalalalalala.
You haven't addressed anything anyone has raised. People have said the guy is being tortured. They've shown examples of how he's being tortured. They've provided background about why what's being done to him is torture.
And the best the opposing side has been able to do is basically say, "Is not, is not, no backsies, and besides, he deserves it"
If you think extended solitary confinement isn't torture, how about you explain why you think so, and perhaps provide a link to some studies that show that it's not torture?
Suits are o'k, they are for dress to impress. I'm opposed to fraudlent people in suits. Don't concern yourself, I notice you ask a lot a questions of liberals is it because you are ignorant and really want an answer or are you trying to be smart.
Ignorant according to webster means (lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified). I should have used another word, ignorant can be misunderstood. I'm ignorant of the word circular, what's the meaning of the word circular?
Oh, but I do know; apparently you do not. In Texas, Cameron Todd Willingham was executed as an innocent man; so perhaps your "I'll just not commit a crime" comment was asinine and insulting to everyone behind bars everywhere in the world. Had you thought of that?
Then you should also avoid being accused of committing a crime. Not everyone locked up has been convicted, and not everyone charged with a crime is guilty. If DNA testing has taught us anything it's that even a shockingly high number of people convicted and executed for committing a crime were not guilty.
And if he were placed in a general population and beaten or killed? If he were to off himself in his cell? What would you say then? Is "punishment" now to mean anything and everything the way some want to imagine "torture" as meaning?
Urm, I would think that the risk would be far greater with sex offenders, killers, and a whole host of crimes than giving away a few secrets which is far more likely to gain the approval of the general prison population than its condemnation!
For profit prisons in the U.S. is a cancerous entity in our society represented by such corporations like the GEO group and the Vanguard group. You can bet everything that you own that Mr. Manning would be a hero to the prisoners of any prison.
"President Obama today signed an executive order [that was Mar 07/11] that will formalize the indefinite extralegal detention of terror suspects without charges as a permanent aspect of American life, while announcing that he intends to use this on detainees “who continue to pose a significant threat to national security” but against whom there is insufficient evidence to actually charge them with any crime."
The Post article cited a blog which speculated that the guards would probably mistreat him moreso now that he complained. Sourced from a blog, mind you, not from any legit news source. That makes it an editorial and not an unbiased piece of reporting.
Quantico is different from other prisons in that it is a military detention facility. Manning is a military EM, in a military prison, accused of using his military job to divulge classified information.
Should he have more privileges than military personnel who haven't been accused of a crime? I can't recall my superiors ever asking me if my apparel and accommodations suited me.
Evidence indicates that he is being treated fairly.
How long will he have to sleep in the nude before he breaks?
The case against Manning is pretty strong. Assange has bigger problems right now than facing the music in the U.S. He's probably slick enough to avoid being extradited anyway, so Manning will be left to take the rap. Assange can keep his skivvies on when he sleeps, for now.
"How long will he have to sleep in the nude before he breaks?" What's the temperature I wonder? From what I have heard he is in solitary confinement and has to sit upright on his bed all day, and and every-time the guard says 'Are you all right", he has to say "I am alright". But I may be wrong. It is not like pulling finger nails. But as a test, maybe you could try it for a day or maybe even 7 months.
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