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Gun Control?

  1. Cagsil profile image77
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Hey Hubbers,

    If you're an American, then please weigh in on this topic. I'm considering writing a Hub on the topic and wondering what people have to say on it.

    As for me- Gun Control is a myth. It's kinda like the "War on Drugs", just a horrible idea, when completely thought out.

    Now, we all know that Guns don't kill people and are just a tool used. Outlawing them isn't possible because of the U.S. Constitutional Second Amendment.

    So, stripping people of their rights isn't an option. If you're against gun ownership altogether, then do not waste your time posting to this thread. It will not be greeted with any kind of warmth.

    Gun Control can never happen, because by all accounts it is an individual responsibility. It isn't a task for any government agency, nor should any government agency be tasked or create instill any sort of Gun Control. It would be just another layer of government B.S., meant to drive fear into citizens.

    I can understand the having strict laws in place, with regards to obtaining a Gun, but I advocate for ensuring people are educated about them beforehand. An uneducated individual, who is so ignorant about a Gun, should not have one. And, if caught with one, then stiff penalties should be applied. And, no I'm not talking about putting them in Prison, because that will only make them worse, if the Prison systems are not re-vamped.

    So, please weigh in. It would be greatly appreciated. And please keep a civil tone. It is a request, so tread at your own risk.

    Thank you in advance.

    1. AnnCee profile image79
      AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think gun control is very important.  That's why I shoot regularly and keep all my guns well maintained. 

      Control your gun.  http://images.zaazu.com/img/male32-male-smiley-ok-smiley-emoticon-000074-medium.gif

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        cool

      2. carolinemoon profile image59
        carolinemoonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, a matter of discipline.

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, it's a matter of discipline, but that discipline comes from education and experience. wink

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      Digsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Statistically, violent crime is less pervasive in communities where ownership of firearms and the right to carry are most prevalent.  I think that prior to purchase, a prospective owner, if they pass required background and criminal checks, should complete a firearms safety course, to include laws governing lawful use, before taking full possession of the weapon. 

      Digs

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Much appreciated Digs. wink

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Your first point is not supported by any data, in fact it is just the opposite according to the most comprehensive studies.

        I totally agree with the second.

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          Digsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ron,

          While I can appreciate your skepticism, check out "justfacts.com--a resource for independant thinkers," and review the government statistics yourself.  A city by city compilation of violent crime stats under restrictive gun possession laws are juxtaposed to stats compiled in the same cities after those same laws were overturned or liberalized allowing greater citizen access to responsible gun ownership.  While there maybe some conflicting data (I don't know where), I think you will find that the national trend runs counter to your assertion.  However, I would appreciate knowing the source upon which you base your premise.

          Thanks--Digs

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Digs, thanks for the link.  It certainly seems to have some useful data.  I have not as of yet seen the study you referenced, so if you know where within the site it is posted, I'd love to see it.

            You referenced "communities" in your first post, but "cities" in your second.  I'll assume you are using these interchangeably.  The problem with choosing any particular city or cities as evidence for or against the efficacy of gun safety laws is that the cities often border states that don't have similar laws.  Washington D.C. is a prime example.  Virginia has some of the weakest gun regulation in the U.S.

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              Digsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ron,

              Try "justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp  That should take you directly to the data I referenced.  Yes, I tend to use cities or communities interchangeably.  Chicago and Miami are two cities also used for statistical comparison.  This particular website also provides gov't data concerning States.  Happy hunting.

              Digs

    3. marketingskeptic profile image77
      marketingskepticposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree that it's a myth.
      People should just stop caring about the whole issue altogether. Who cares if people want to carry guns? Let them do whatever the hell they want, since it's not like gun control will actually stop the people who want to own guns. If public safety is the concern, I would suggest increasing law enforcement in major cities:

      During winter break, I went to San Francisco - saw this guy haul a woman up by her neck and slam her against a car. And not a single cop in sight! Seriously, where are they when you need them? To top it off, this was on a major street in BROAD DAYLIGHT. Like wtf...

  2. resspenser profile image84
    resspenserposted 5 years ago

    Gun control is a good Weaver stance!
    See my hub Have Gun, Will Carry for my view.
    It's complicated, mostly by fools. But then so is the world, I guess.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol

      However, I ask that you post the link, so I can read the hub. And, it shouldn't be snipped, it's not self-promotion. I'm asking for it, because it is easier than going through all your hubs for it. smile

  3. Ivorwen profile image84
    Ivorwenposted 5 years ago

    I learned to shoot and care for a gun at a young age. 

    I was also taught to respect guns by being shown what they can do.  I saw more than one animal die, and I was allowed to examine the damage done by a bullet. 

    My boys are being taught the same. They know how to handle a gun carefully, and they have been there when we have shot the next 'freezer filler'.  With each death they witness, their basic respect for life grows, along with their carefulness.

    I also think this goes beyond guns.  We apply the same principles to bows and arrows, throwing knives, swords and any other weapon they find interesting.  I personally think that learning these things is an important part of their education, and I know that I am not alone. 

    Our local public school has been teaching the kids archery.  I don't see why shooting couldn't be taught as well.  (haha -- I know that is a can of worms!)

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good to know Ivorwen. I'm glad to hear it and yes that would open up an entirely different subject, if you wanted to talk about schools teaching students about Guns. However, I would go as far as that it would have to be done in a Professional atmosphere, such as a Gun Club of some sort and by a Professional Shooter/Handler. wink

      Thank you again. smile

      1. Ivorwen profile image84
        Ivorwenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, I would agree with that!  The archery is being taught by professionals, who have all the targets and such at their disposal.  smile

  4. leonardobapex profile image61
    leonardobapexposted 5 years ago

    One of the reason why government imposed gun control is to regulate the possesion of gun among those who wish to have one.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting. I thought that is was why Gun Laws existed. Not Gun Control. hmm

      1. leonardobapex profile image61
        leonardobapexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Gun Control is under Gun Laws. It's for the safety of the masses. The preservation of life.

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh okay.

  5. Hokey profile image62
    Hokeyposted 5 years ago

    I grew up on the northeast coast of North Carolina and we were taught hunter safety in 7th grade. All kids did it there. You learned about guns, knives, bows and other devices. When you finshed the course you got your hunters safety patch, a certificate, and a field trip to go skeet shooting. Education and personal responsibility are definately where its at. Not for the government to decide. Besides it would only create another unenforcable series of laws and a an even greater black market. You know the saying. "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Hokey smile

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      conniepaceposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hokey I agree with you educate them and then let  them be responsible for their action.  The government trying to micromanage everything is entirely out of control.  Their will be people in every situation that will act stupid.. Those are the people the government should be concerned about.  Let people be responsible for their own actions, that is what the constitutions says.

  6. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Guns don't kill people?

    Let's see....if you shoot someone with a gun, and they die.....that person is not really dead?

    Oh--I know. It happened by magic.You willed it to happen with your mind.

    Ehhhhhh. Guns kill people.

    Little children die all the time by guns.

    A gun is a deadly weapon.

    They go to war with guns...to what? Pretend they are actually fighting?

    Give me a break. sad

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hey LMC, your statement shows that you like to spread distortion. But thank you for your input.

      1. AnnCee profile image79
        AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Nailed it. smile

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          cool

        2. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, I could have said "President Obama will knock at your door and take away your gun."...but that's more your style of distortion huh?

    2. uncorrectedvision profile image61
      uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If a conservative doesn't like firearms he doesn't own one.  If a liberal doesn't like firearms he doesn't want you to own one.

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for the input. lol lol

        1. uncorrectedvision profile image61
          uncorrectedvisionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Enjoy, it will be(beside this one)my last activity of any kind on Hubpages.  They changed their rules and I don't care for the changes. Have fun.

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Good luck on your future endeavors. smile

          2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Don't let the door...

      2. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Can you show me where I said you can't own one?

    3. Michael Willis profile image75
      Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yep...I saw that Gun jump out of the car and fire itself and kill that person. Nope...no human involved. Guns Kill!

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

        1. Michael Willis profile image75
          Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Looking forward to your Hub on this subject.

      2. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's just as ridiculous for you to say guns have nothing to do with killing.....that's what they are made for.

        1. Michael Willis profile image75
          Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          A gun can only KILL when used by another source to fire it! SO it is as ridiculous to place the blame on an inanimate object.


          So next we need:

          Knife ban! ---People are killed by stabbings.

          Baseball bat ban--people have been killed with a bat.

          Vehicle ban---people are killed in and by vehicles every day

          Medication Ban---people are killed by mis-use or overdose just as mis-use of a gun.

          All heavy objects ban---hits to the head can kill someone.

          Over-eating Ban--government can now bring you food to you as prescribed to make you healthy by Government standard.

          And sooooo many more.

          If someone has been killed by it...Ban it immediately!

          Take "Responsibility away from ALL humans for their actions!" It's always the fault of someone or something else."

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            cool

          2. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Once again----who said anything about banning?

            Why are you so defensive about this subject?

            1. Michael Willis profile image75
              Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I am not the one defensive...stating the reality of the real reason for killings by guns! People kill With guns, not the gun itself killing. Simple fact really!

            2. Michael Willis profile image75
              Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              My Dad was killed by a gun! Do I blame the gun.  No, of course not. I blame the person who was the idiot. He could have killed my dad many other ways if he chose, other than a gun and I would still blame Him, not the object used to kill him.

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So, we can't blame drugs for drug addicts anymore.
                And drugs should be as legal as guns. True freedom!

                1. Michael Willis profile image75
                  Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You keep ignoring the point! If a person is not using the illegal drugs or a legal drug they can still kill. Human responsibility!!!!!!!
                  By what you are saying then No One is responsible for their Own actions if they can blame it on a Gun or Drugs!

                  1. lovemychris profile image80
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No,what I am saying is you can blame everything BUT guns.

                    You can make drugs illegal,
                    Prostitution illegal,
                    Abortion illegal,

                    But you will still have the right to own a gun.

                    Your gun rights trump all others.

                2. Michael Willis profile image75
                  Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Bottom line...If you don't want a gun...then do not have one. That is Your Right.
                  If I choose to have a gun...that is My right. And I take that right. I enjoy hunting for food when it is season to and will continue to do that. I will be able to defend myself and family if need be.

                  1. lovemychris profile image80
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    This is exactly how I feel....about ALL rights! Not just the right to own guns...and many gun-owners are lacking in applying these same rights to others.

              2. habee profile image90
                habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                My dad was killed by a gun, too - his own .38. He shot himself at the age of 85 due to his failing health and constant pain. He could just as easily have used pills. If someone is determined to commit suicide, they don't have to have a gun to do so.

                1. lovemychris profile image80
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm all for the right to take your own life too.
                  Why are people forced to suffer?
                  Living Will. Everybody needs one.

                  1. habee profile image90
                    habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Wow, LMC - we agree on something! lol

                2. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree with lovemychris and habee on this one, We have more mercy for our animal than we do for our own eople suffering of pain.

                  Youth in asia people are highly not liking to use a gun.

          3. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Michael Willis

            Blame on an inanimate object.

            That make no sense we need Knifes - for cooking. Baseball bat -for sport Vehicle - to travel by. Medication -for physical energies,

            Over-eating -just blame yourself, Banning over dangerous unhealthy food is actually a very good idea, since American are the most obese nation in the world, it's killing people far more than every mentioned combined.

            Why do we need a concealed hand gun designed to kill people

            In order of most deaths by guns

            1st For suicide
            2nd To kill someone we know or realationship
            3rd most important to kill the criminals, in which authority do more killing than criminals

            1. Michael Willis profile image75
              Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes it does make sense when someone Blames objects for killing instead of the person!
              Follow the conversation and you will see that instead of taking my words out of context. Anyone can do that.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You put guns in the same context with what we do need

                Knifes,  Baseball bat, Vehicle, Medication, food,  I just took the gun need out of your context.

                1. Michael Willis profile image75
                  Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I put Guns in the Same Context that Objects do not Kill themselves! It takes a human to use them to kill.

                  I will re-post it here so you can read it again.


                  "A gun can only KILL when used by another source to fire it! SO it is as ridiculous to place the blame on an inanimate object.


                  So next we need:

                  ( In the English language the subject here has been established. Someone has to use the Gun to kill, not the gun itself.
                  The word Next is including the next list of suggested objects in that same Context)




                  Knife ban! ---People are killed by stabbings.

                  Baseball bat ban--people have been killed with a bat.

                  Vehicle ban---people are killed in and by vehicles every day

                  Medication Ban---people are killed by mis-use or overdose just as mis-use of a gun.

                  All heavy objects ban---hits to the head can kill someone.

                  Over-eating Ban--government can now bring you food to you as prescribed to make you healthy by Government standard.

                  And sooooo many more.

                  If someone has been killed by it...Ban it immediately!

                  Take "Responsibility away from ALL humans for their actions!" It's always the fault of someone or something else."
                  _______________________________________

                  As for 'what we do need"...people can live without all of these if necessary.
                  Knife...yep
                  Baseball bat....yep. What part of this is a necessity???
                  Vehicle...there are people who do not own a vehicle and survive just fine.
                  Medication...people can live without the mis-use or overdose of medications. (Why would you say this is necessary???)
                  food...You are wrong there bud!!! I said "Over eating."

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    If you’re really saying - guns don’t kill people, people kill people

                    You can also say - it’s not military that kill people, its politician that kill people

                    You’re just shifting the blame for military or politician and when they are all people too. It’s all of the people to blame for people are the true leaders of the problem and votes.

                    If USA is the offensive murder and War champion of the World then blame it on the American people and their carelessness in handle the problem.

                    I have been trained hand to hand combat and can defend myself pretty much any object, accept a gun. Unless the idiot can’t even pull the trigger right also.

        2. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Are you against the manufacturing of Guns? If so, then you must be against OPEN Free Markets America operates for an Economy also?

          To discriminate against one is to destroy Free Enterprise. wink

          It might be helpful if you thought it out first, before forming an opinion or belief on the subject at hand. It affects and effect more than apparently you realize.

          Responsibility comes with Life. Learn to live with it. wink

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            AND yet again.....where did I say against anything?

            BUT--I will say this:
            Yesterday Billie D Ritchie told me that he had the right to fight against something he didn't believe in.....he said he had the right to try and make it against the law.


            Does that apply to everything BUT the second amendment?

            1. Aya Katz profile image89
              Aya Katzposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No. Actually, that doesn't apply to anything. The idea that we get to vote and take other people's rights away from them is wrong. You don't get to vote about what somebody else does with his own money and time. You only get to decide what you do with your money and your time.

              Laws that violate this maxim are all unconstitutional.

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you. I agree.

  7. Daniel Carter profile image91
    Daniel Carterposted 5 years ago

    I grew up around people who were very pro NRA. Guns everywhere, for target practice and hunting. And I saw and understood all the reasons, and still do. What is important to me is the perception that people gain about guns. Liberal perceptions are that they are a danger and shouldn't be available to the public. If that reasoning is so sound, then we shouldn't have gas stoves in the kitchen, or own cars, either.

    Perceptions and education are the two things I believe influence guns and gun control more than anything else. Education including facts, how to use correctly, dangers, benefits, etc., should be as common as driver's training for 16 year olds. I think education were the norm, we could get rid of erroneous perceptions, establish some facts, and become far more informed and educated in how to use firearms correctly.

    And, for the record, personally, I never enjoyed guns like my family and friends, and I don't own any. But that doesn't mean that I take a liberal stance. If anything, I feel much more moderate about the subject.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Daniel. smile

    2. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      LOL I own a BB-gun tongue

      But I too support the right to bear arms. I know all well what happens when population is disarmed. smile

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you for posting Misha. Much appreciated. smile

      2. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Misha

        Disarm people of hand guns and I promise you  the population will do better and People will be happier

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Do you copy? After the stats I linked you to, posting such posts proves you don't hear anything that does not fit your opinions. I think I'll ignore you from now on, as not worthy a talk...

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Who is worthy, when a gun is pointed at you, only the bully is worthy, have it your way.

        2. wilmiers77 profile image61
          wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Castlepaloma,  carrying guns on body without a permit was outlawed 100 years ago. Most everyone that I know is happier with their gun for home protection. They would be very unhappy if someone tried to take their protection. My gun is for stopping a big bully at my doors and windows.

          Lets keep it real. I would be naive to rely on the police for complete protection for my family. Please read Micheal Willis' discourse on the counter productiveness of authorities taking citizen's guns.

          The reality is that all citizens need protection at this time. Taking guns favors the criminals.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            wilmiers77
            I gave my comments about 4 posts down from Michael related post.

            A hand Gun is easy to conceal under your coat into almost any venue anywhere. Or place where many people can get at it, along with the criminal scouting you out...

            A BIG dog will won't eat its own owner; why not try that. Unless the owner is meaner than the criminal. Since authority kill more people than the criminal do, that’s possible too

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You know it's amazing that you like to quote statistics, but when you cannot, your argument falls apart.

              What you fail to understand is why the statistics you quote are what they are and that is in relation to education. Your last post about the US and it's record, only reflects that you rather not address the underlying problem, which is education.

              And, all your bickering in this thread also shows you are not in favor of educating people about them, just want to eliminate them altogether. Which would be premature, beyond reason.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                1.This thread is the first, I have experience where statistics are not allow,

                2.I said to you before I do not give arguments and debates is not my style it has too much angry, I am a lover not a fighter.

                3.Who own the supreme title on education, the military complex or the RNA or politician. We  learn from many parts to understand a whole, why limit info to only gun interested people, we are all in the same boat.

                4.Sometimes I repent myself because sometime people refuse to hear, like I am not against anything, yet it’s obvious when harm is on the line, I speak up.

                5.Gun Control is a myth? I am not allow to give statistics, so please imagine all privately-owned firearms military, law enforcement mafia criminal and illegal guns. Then add it all up and the guns would be almost as many as American citizens. If American bans all gun law, the closest thing to hell on earth will be for sure to happen.

                6.When did I say eliminate guns altogether. Why not Educate people about hunting animal with a gun not killing people with guns. I did address the underlying problem of education, I posted Canadian gun laws, yet no bites at all, So what the hell! American love blown things up beyond reason.

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Statistics are false mostly, that is why I don't want you using them to cloud up the underlying message of education of people.
                  Then why are you in this thread? Because that's all you are doing is arguing/debating. American rights says that's all you are doing here.
                  It would be best if parents educate their children. I noticed you left them out of your list.
                  Not limiting anything. It's the people like yourself, who are not interested that are causing problem for those who are. Why? Because you choose to be an annoyance, just to make waves.
                  But, you were heard and it's apparent that you lack any understanding of rights of the individual and free enterprise of the global markets.
                  Gun Control is about individual responsibility, which is something else you failed to grasp out of this thread, as of yet. If you don't want to own one then don't by one. But, stay out of the way of others to do so.
                  Your statement about ridding the world of all guns and the world would be a better place. Are your words are they not?
                  No one educates people about killing people with guns, except for Military who train people to expert or marksman with regards to target shooting. So, please cut the drama.
                  You posting Canadian Gun Laws are irrelevant to this thread, considering this is about America and not outside it.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Studies for my museum work is more base on the average Statistics from the highest to lowest, and more times it comes out true or I would not have a job.

                    Arguing/debating is your style; please do not impose it on my style of challenging  issues, confronting problem and some disagreement. Yes I do disagreement with gun law being canceled, no angry in me. Most people worldwide do not like American guns that make waves worldwide.

                    I have no gun in my family and friend relationship circle, so children do not enter into it and no criminal record among us, we are living proof it works. This thread is not designed to be friendly for me or most of these people who dislike guns.Most people do not like guns or wars, you are greatly outnumbered worldwide


                    You state I lack any understanding of rights of the individual and free enterprise of the global markets. I have two of the largest business of their kind in the world for 20 years and have been a millionaire for long time, so you do not know me.

                    You think I said - Your statement about ridding the world of all guns and the world. You just prefer to ignore better gun law like in Canada and learn something new rather bad habits.

                    .

        3. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          your an azzhole! sorry but to say something so stupid like that is ridiculous. many criminals here in NY have guns and crime is heavy in some areas. If all criminals knew they were the only ones with guns they would rob everyone and everything! please shut your trap you sound like a liberal fool, that is why i changed parties because of jerkoffs like yourself.

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Danny, maybe you should learn how to mind your manners. Disrespect as in what you displayed, is unacceptable in the forums and I wouldn't be surprised if someone reports you for your abusive post. Get a grip.

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              cagsil,  that reply was for castlepaloma. sorry could not help myself. that fool castle keeps spewing BS and taking over your question. and just for the record I did not think it was that bad. I thought I was soft actually.

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You wouldn't happen to be a right-wing Christian, would you?

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Right-wing Christian? Oh please. Don't start up with religion. This isn't about religion. wink

                  1. lovemychris profile image80
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No, but by his nasty calling of names, I just assumed he was, given the others like that around here. Had to ask, that's all.
                    But...I would hate to see THAT guy with a gun, to be honest with you.

              2. Cagsil profile image77
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Danny, just be careful. What you think isn't bad, can be subjective to someone else, which is why they would report you. And, if the moderator of the forums agree, then you will be banned from posting. That's all.

                1. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Cag, again sorry I just hate when people after to act like that and try to ruin your hub. every time you wrote something that made sense he went off course. anyway who cares and I have seen many post and even hubs with much worse. I actually changed the letters to one word and the other really is not a curse. anyway if they want me out so be it.

                  LMC NO i'm not a right winged christian. I;m actually a registered Democrat. I'am catholic but not religious at all. and you know what that say when you assume! you make an ASS out of U and ME. And I will not be voting for any socialist especially Obama. I wanted Hilary but that did not happen.

                  1. Cagsil profile image77
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey Danny, this is the forum. Castle couldn't ruin the hub, because it's not even written as of yet. But, I'm sure he will certainly try to detract from it, when it is written. lol

                    However, all is good. And, yeah I know, he keeps going off on some other direction with his comments. That's why I told him to lay off the statistics, because it was actually meaningless to the content of this forum thread. lol

  8. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    I wrote a hub on Gun Control yesterday.  you can see it as my most recent hub

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Barry. I've read your hub and left you a comment.

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Good hub Barry

  9. Aya Katz profile image89
    Aya Katzposted 5 years ago

    I support the right to bear arms. Even on board planes. I wrote a hub about it a long time ago: The Right to Bear Arms in Flight.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Aya, would please post the link to your hub, so I can read it and comment. Much appreciated. smile


      @Barry, I'm going to be writing the hub. Thank you again. smile

      1. Aya Katz profile image89
        Aya Katzposted 5 years ago in reply to this
        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're welcome and thank you for posting. I've read and commented on your hub. Again, much appreciated. smile

  10. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    Thank's Cagsil.  Please go ahead though and write a hub on the topic the more debate the better as far as I am concerned.

  11. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    So  Authorities World-Wide are wrong in not allowing firearms on Aircraft. -quite a novel idea.

    1. Aya Katz profile image89
      Aya Katzposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes. Very wrong. Read the hub.

    2. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Authorities are almost always wrong, and there is nothing new about that smile

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's not so much them being wrong, but they're continued spreading of fear which is wrong. wink

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You say that very authoritatively.

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That's the "almost" part tongue

  12. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    Aya Katz

    I have read your hub which was produced some 12 months ago.  I have read the comments placed by Ralph Deeds and have nothing further to say but concur with his comments.

    1. Aya Katz profile image89
      Aya Katzposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, well. Can't win them all.

  13. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    As i suspected your opinions reflect the tone of an number of articles I have read on the topic over the years which seems to stall reform on gun control

  14. Naomi R. Cox profile image61
    Naomi R. Coxposted 5 years ago

    Hi Cagsil, I feel like some of the others on here feel. If a person passes a back ground check and is educated on guns, they should be allowed to purchase a gun. I was taught about guns at a young age and my sons were taught when they were young also.
      People say guns kill people. Here's something for them to think about, a gun will lay in one spot, just a cold peice of steel until someone picks it up. That gun can't fire until that person loads, points it and pulls the trigger.
      People should follow gun laws, I have no problem with that. All I have to say is that if the government tries to take my gun, the only way they will get it is by prying it out of my cold dead fingers.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated. smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I am not against guns or anything, it just natural to control your own domain.

        I hope I can weight in,(North American) Canada per capita (yet half) is the second greatest murder rate next to the USA,.  I wrote a few hubs related to war, murder and guns. if only you want American opinion on guns, that relate to murder and war, then your result will end up one-sided and then why bother.

        Cagsil your not big on USA 85% part religious, why are you so soft on guns? Guns, Gods and Gays, what strange partners.


        1.If own gun owners do not understand, the first cause of death from protective guns is suicide, go ahead shoot yourself, where it breeds it leads in the news.

        2.If gun owner do not know,  he is more likely to kill someone he knows,  like a friend, family member or neighbor rather than a criminal,  put fear into your circle of relationships, I say go ahead, it’s your business, not mine.

        3. IF the 5% USA population of the world want use 50% of the world war
        budget and wants to fear monger the world with missile and guns then that my business because the world is my family. I would not give so much control for authority because they also have killed more people than the criminal have. Keep it civil, I agree, to have 200 countries with USA Military base in them, is like high noon, state of fear, there many other ways to be civil?

        To degrees, control on drugs and guns is a must. Most crimes are related to drugs and hand guns are designed to kill people, not for hunting deer. The only revenge a deer has, is when you run them over with your car, then the deer is the third deadliest animal next the mosquito for killing man.

        If individual, were well educated about Guns, then they would not be so insecure. Bye a protective dog, because even though the dog is a greater meat eater than man, he will teach you to be more merciful to mankind.

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You start out your post like this, yet having read your post before I posted, all I can say is okay, with a few side notes.
          Murder? War? No! I didn't say anything about those. The topic is about "Gun Control", which also leads to me to see that you really didn't read my OP. And, that I disagree with. Simply injecting your opinion, without first reading what was written. You disrespect me and those people you call family.
          Why am I soft on Gun? I am not soft on Guns. I am HARD on responsibility. Unfortunately, your bias skews your vision and understanding of the two.

          As for you statement Guns, Gods and Gays, what strange partners. It shows how little you understand freedom and right to choice. Not to mention, your lack of respect for people's individual right to life, which I see as living their life, however they see fit.

          Meaningless statement. Has nothing to do with Gun Control by Government. The first cause of death from protective gun is suicide? Actually, your first problem is to identify what caused the gun to go off, in the first place. Guns do not do junk, until someone takes action first.
          Gun Owners, the real ones, not punk on the street, already know the hazards and dangers. The punk on the street does not.
          Nothing in this statement touches on the subject? WOW! roll
          Gun Laws. Gun Control is limited to an individual.
          Untrue. The above statement shows you didn't read through the thread. If you had, then you overlooked Ivorwen's post, which I would suggest you re-read.

          Other than that- much appreciated for weighing. wink

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I read your thread first

            OK, Fair enough you choose to block out all 45 countries, the USA has Invaded since after the second World War.

            Ok since we are only talking about domestic guns, gun for killing your own fellow American. When you add up all those death rates within the USA, it’s at a much higher rate than killing all your troop abroad since 1946, anyways.

            Two time elected President Bush quoted (he never takes back a quote)

            Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we

            Nothing ever truer, came out of Bush’s mouth.

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Interesting post. You quote Bush. lol lol

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Bush is jobless now.

                He will always have a career as a comedian just from his quotes alone

  15. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    By the comments posted here so far.  You seem as a nation prepared to accept that the approx 30,000 deaths in the US (that six times the number that were killed in 9/11 which you were prpepared to go for war for) ) Except this is on an annual basis.  In other words you are prepared to defend the fact that the 30,000 deaths per annum is a necessary and acceptable price in order to keep retain & own firearms

    1. Misha profile image74
      Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Sorry Barry, I don't follow you. Can you rephrase?

    2. Hugh Williamson profile image88
      Hugh Williamsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I quit the NRA years ago because I believe their "no regulations, nohow" policy actually endangers my 2nd Amend. rights.

      Most people favor tightening the gun laws, e.g. the gunshow "grab-and-go" law which arms Mexican druggers and U.S. criminals. The NRA isn't going to deny the majority forever and I worry that the coming regulations (and there will be new regulations at some point) will really clamp down on gun owners rights.

      The gov't licenses lots of things -- cars, drivers, bars...etc. They don't take them away, they just license them.

      I know other gun owners that feel this way also.

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No regulations = No laws? If that is the case, I wouldn't support their position either.
        You're probably right.
        This I would not agree with. Those who have permanent suspended licenses for driving would argue. Since when do cars have a license. I know the driver is required to be license, but not the vehicle. It has to be registered, if that's a license, which by definition, it's not. As for bars, I've seen alcohol licenses been revoked. And, many people cannot get them to begin with.
        This is not a doubt. wink

        Much appreciated. smile

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You and many other people including GHW Bush.  The NRA doesn't speak for a majority of Americans; not even a majority of it's own members.

    3. wilmiers77 profile image61
      wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      barryrutherford, are you willing to give up your auto? You know that they kill many more people than guns per annum. They are dangerous weapons. There are sociologist working to stop private ownership of automobiles...for only a much more safer system of public transportation.

      There is a risk to most every activity on Earth. Guns get respect. There is a "Don't even think about taking over my household" attitude instilled in criminals when they consider the probability of encountering a gun. The number of criminals that change their mind is never reflected in stats. The removal of guns from citizens could open a whole new flood gate of crimes perpetrated against households. ARE THERE STATS FOR THIS?

  16. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    Digs Wrote

    "Statistically, violent crime is less pervasive in communities where ownership of firearms and the right to carry are most prevalent.  I think that prior to purchase, a prospective owner, if they pass required background and criminal checks, should complete a firearms safety course, to include laws governing lawful use, before taking full possession of the weapon." 



    Wow! show me some peer-reviewed research which shows that violent crime is less pervasive in communities that have firearms

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Back again I see. Do tell, motive?

      I realize you are looking for a debate on this issue, I gathered that from your hub and your posting to this thread.

      So, I guess you now have my attention on the matter. As my OP said- those who think that Guns should be banned would not be given a warm welcome. Thus, this post.

      What exactly are you trying to do? Create communism for the planet? I mean, please tell.

  17. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 5 years ago

    LOL People are scared Ray, and fear never leads to rational thinking smile

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well Misha, I'm simply advocating responsibility for a weapon that has and can do a lot of damage. Banning or any attempt to do so, would not be required, if more individuals were actually responsible with regards of the usage of said weapon.

      I advocate for freedom. Thus, it includes self-security, whichever form it comes in. Protection of oneself can be done in many ways, nowadays. There are plenty of things that are just as dangerous as a Gun. All of them require responsibility. wink

      1. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh absolutely, I am with you here. I was talking about people opposing the guns altogether smile

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          cool

      2. barryrutherford profile image36
        barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The troubling Question is IF people will be more than responsible.
        The record shows they wont and as such America will continue to pay a very heavy price for gun ownership

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          IF? The first step is education. Wouldn't you think? There are plenty of people in this thread, who have shown you, that through teaching their children, the responsibility can be understood. The more people who did this, then you get better results.
          The record can show whatever you want it to show, depending on what perspective you went into it with. As for you, the negative is a place you live. It is not in my case, because the potential for learning is unlimited. People have to see that, understand that, and apply it. They recognize the responsibility behind Gun Ownership, maybe they will choose not to buy one versus owning one. Those who OWN them, usually have an understanding of them. It's the negative view from the street punk that clouds the issue. The street punk is uninformed, uneducated and has no understanding of the responsibility that comes with the weapon. They barely have a understanding of the concept of taking a life.

  18. wilmiers77 profile image61
    wilmiers77posted 5 years ago

    Cagsil, at last I can agree with you and at 100%. Please continue to develop as you are developing. I support you 100%.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated. cool

    2. barryrutherford profile image36
      barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      nothing like blind faith

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, it's called having faith in the human species. Which, you obviously have none. wink

  19. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    Cagsgil
    I dont expect a warm reception but whilst I see mis-information posted in a forum thread I am entitled to make a comment just like everyone else. Unless of course you decide to buy out Hubpages and censor comments...


    p.s. Communism has nothing to do with gun control

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Government dominated rule does. Which is what your HUB is about.

      And, I don't mind you making a comment. But, persistence of the view of your HUB in your words, and tone, is my business.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      barryrutherford

      Maybe these guns slighter are right.

      Allow guns to be sold everywhere for every age. Let the government sponsor for every child a nuclear war kit for Christmas. Allow Family feuds to worry about their own shadows. Let see if the world wants to even visit them, if even one gets angry and looses it.

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's amazing that you haven't a clue. Your words work against you, as does your own attitude(tone). WOW! roll

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I have traveled 49 states, worked in most of them.

          Maybe you have not traveled around the world enough and viewed what I have seen, Americans ask me often enough if I have a Canadian flag they can have, so they put on their back pack for less troubles.

          I am not against anything so why would my attitude be; just why do the kinds Americans have to be so hassled everywhere they go too.

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Apparently what you said, then what I said, went completely over your head. lol lol Good to know.

            As for my traveling around the world, so I can have your type of experience, actually isn't required, for the subject at hand. But, I do appreciate the input. hmm

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Words will not be needed, when a bully pulls out a gun at you.

              I never try to go over anyone head, I try to simplified things depending on what level of a thinker or experience that person may have with the topic, you usually do that.

              1. Cagsil profile image77
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well then, I guess I'll let your actions speak for themselves. lol

      2. Misha profile image74
        Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html

        May be you get a grip on reality first, before getting all worked up over nothing smile

        Even more interesting stats are here: http://www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, legal doctors are the worst drug pushers. The worst thing about a gun is fear of the gun, any fool can pull a trigger or a nuke red button rather than using the art of love and kindness.

          1. Misha profile image74
            Mishaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You can fear a gun as much as you like, stats confirm that guns are way safer than many other things in life that for some reason you don't fear and oppose. Fear is always irrational. smile

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I was over my fears by eight years old and became among those 10% fearless people in life. Confronting every bully or issue that a cross my path, I have traveled to war zones and have had a gun cocked to my head and fear would only work against me in handleing that situation also.

              The greatest Warrior in History Alexander the Great said war solves nothing , it is the same for your greater civil war at home toward the great suppression towards your fellow American

  20. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    Cagsil

    look forward to reading your Hub on the issue

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated. smile

  21. Adventure Colorad profile image88
    Adventure Coloradposted 5 years ago

    I don't believe that gun control can truly reduce crime.  Criminals will continue to find guns and use them illegally.  If they don't care about breaking the law to begin with, it won't matter that using a gun makes the punishment more severe.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Appreciate the input. wink

    2. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Adventure Colorad

      I am not allow to talk about all the much lower crime rates in other countries, I f US has 25% of the world's prisons, I promise you, throw out gun laws and will increase crime rates and the death penalty to no end.

      Killing someone to prove to us, that killing is wrong, is somehow contradicting

      I guess killing each other is a vicious circle all of you must continue until you’re good and really sick and tire of harming each other. Good luck.

      1. Adventure Colorad profile image88
        Adventure Coloradposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Castlepaloma, I appreciate your view and I assure you I am not advocating throwing out all gun laws.  There is a difference between regulating gun ownership and taking away a right that is granted to those of us from the US by our constitution.  I had never heard that the US has 25% of the world's prisons, so I don't know if that is true or not.  But when you try to compare us to another country, there are many factors to consider, including, for example, size.  Compare the US to pretty much any european country and I think you would find that the physical size of the US warrants more law enforcement, prisons, etc. 

        As far as capital punishment, I disagree that it is wrong, but that is an entirely different subject.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Just throw out hand guns; they are design to kill people up close.  I may not dig killing bambi, so what,  deer guns are OK because deer thrive well enough, Poor bears do not have much of a chance from poacher, it’s like Iraq X 50.

          Canada is bigger in size in area with less guns and prison per capita.
          I thinking we are talking more insecure manhood size like shape like a bullet. Napoleon" or "Short Man Complex

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol

          2. Adventure Colorad profile image88
            Adventure Coloradposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not sure how bear hunting is like Iraq.  I certainly don't agree with poaching, but any hunting that is done by a licensed hunter is controlled by the local wildlife agency for the health of the animal population and yes you can use handguns for hunting. 

            I won't argue that Canada is larger and fairly peaceful, though the population density is also generally much lower. 

            As far as trying to insult gun owners in general I am not sure why you think name calling will reinforce your views.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Adventure Colorad

              Teddy Roosevelt was our greatest conservation President. He created the National Park System, National Forests and the National Wildlife Refuge System. In all, Roosevelt is credited with conserving 230 million acres during his presidency. He said he would not shoot a bear as it would be a better symbol of pride and courage the scavenger Bald eagle.

              A few centuries ago there were more bears than people and a bear could went weight up to one ton . Then was the early American native who were once more populated then European were, The new Americans wiped out the natives (down to 2%) in the greatest genocide in human history. It’s not through the direct kills from the gun that mattered, it’s the over control and suppression of fear of gun that matter. Today the fear rather than the control by love first, controls your country USA.

              Today, people have had with fearing their Government police, military guns or any thug or man with a gun. Personally I will not allow any man, bully or group to own me.

          3. Adventure Colorad profile image88
            Adventure Coloradposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Oh and maybe I am just biased because I carry a firearm everyday while working wink

  22. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    2125

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      ?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe 2125 is when it safe, not to look over your shoulder

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It could be anything, which is why I put the question mark. To see if he would clarify the post. hmm

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        As of that post, the number of Americans murdered with guns since the Tucson massacre.  The mass murders make the headlines, but we have the equivalent of a Virginia Tech bloodbath daily in the U.S.

  23. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    My father was a hunter, target shooter. gun collector, and gun dealer, so I grew up with guns. Dad taught my brother and me about firearm safety and respect for guns at an early age. We would never have even thought about "playing" with a real gun.

    Hubby and I own guns, and I very much support the 2nd Amendment.
    Here in my neck of the woods, just about everyone owns a gun or ten, and we have very little gun-related crime. Hunting, skeet shooting, and target shooting are still very popular in the South.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciated Habee. smile


      @Michael, thank you. smile

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      What does that mean to you?

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I thought that would be kinda self-explanatory. lol

        I believe that law-abiding citizens have the right to own legal handguns, shotguns, and rifles. I am all for background checks, even at gun shows. Also, I'm not sure why anyone would want/need semi-automatics that hold 30 or 40 rounds. I've killed many doves (which ain't always easy to hit) with my 12-gauge pump that holds only 3 shells. My .308 deer rifle held only four rounds.

        I also think it would be a good idea for new gun owners to complete a firearms safety course.

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Now you're seeing the complexity of the issue.  The reasonable restrictions you mentioned are fiercely opposed by the NRA whenever they are proposed.  You say that you support the second amendment (I and the supreme court agree that your views are supported by the 2nd), but many within the NRA would claim that you are starting the slippery slope toward total confiscation of all privately owned guns.

  24. CYBERSUPE profile image60
    CYBERSUPEposted 5 years ago

    I am a game hunter and have been for some 63 years. Gun control laws will only work when those buying guns realize that with the Rights to own a gun comes Resposibility as well.

  25. Evan G Rogers profile image83
    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago

    If you think that we need gun control, then you clearly haven't seen how horrible the government is at controlling ANYTHING that it makes illegal.

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree.  Society sucks and always will.  We should each just live in an isolated shack with no rules whatsoever.  The magic hand should be our only guide.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Got one of those, it's beautiful

      2. Evan G Rogers profile image83
        Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        if you think that two people can't agree upon rules without one having a military backing it, then I pity you.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Our deep opinion has very limited merit here because this thread does not allow you to use any statistics here. Only LEARNING/EDUCATION and RESPONSIBILITY about USA guns. Plus according  to some no face top big gun, the one and only super power in this World. Who else, the USA Military Complex, so learn to shut up and get into the front line with your gun.

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Another statement that is completely meaningless with regards to the topic at hand. Good job.

            1. Evan G Rogers profile image83
              Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              yeah, what did that even mean?

  26. Bill Manning profile image72
    Bill Manningposted 5 years ago

    I totally believe we should be free to own guns. I grew up in the sticks of Vermont where everyone hunted.

    I also think anyone should be able to own a handgun for self defense.

    HOWEVER (here it comes) just like you have to pass a test to drive, you should have to pass a test to see if your responsible enough to own a gun.

    Indeed, back when I first started hunting in Vermont you had to pass a hunter safety course first. Same should be true to own a handgun.

    I DON'T think the mentally unstable, convicted felons, kids or anyone else who can't pass a reasonable gun safety test should be allowed to own guns.

    Not that it would stop them anyways from getting a gun. Which is why outlawing guns will not work. You can get them anyways, same as drugs or anything else not allowed. hmm

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      HELL of a vicious circle- your post presentation

      A. If you can convince me those felon (world Champions inmates), mentally ill, (20% of Americans) underage kids (35% Americans)
      or
      B. What is the skill test for a gun? Lock/load, Aim, Pull the Trigger and Kill.

      Most people already knows what's right and what's wrong, YAHOO!! HELL!  What the hell !, LETS ALL  play a game yal… it’s called High Noooon!

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        roll

        1. Bill Manning profile image72
          Bill Manningposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I see you disagree with me Castlepaloma, that's cool.

          The USA already has a few of those things I mentioned above in place. Or at least in certain states. I just added a few of my own things I think should be added as a requirement to owning a gun.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Even if Americans had Canadian type gun laws, I would not be so concern for Americans.

  27. wilmiers77 profile image61
    wilmiers77posted 5 years ago

    barryrutherford, I am not sure what you mean by "blind faith". My definition of blind faith is believing without knowledge of the foreseen. But, I have my knowledge, beliefs, and experiences concerning gun control. It just so happens that I am "In Agreement" with Cagsil 100%. Let's keep it real. I would be naive if I depended on the police completely for the protection of my family. As far as stats go, my extended family of hundreds of cousins has never had a gun accident in over 150 years beginning in Indian Nation. It is unheard of in my family of thousands of distant cousins. I attribute it to education by our parents about a dangerous gun, and about a protective gun, and how to put food on the table gun. 

    We are in a continuous wrestling match with the gov't for our freedoms, privacy, and priledges. Common sense dictates that if the guns are taken from the citizens, and doesn't have to be considered by the gov't, quess who goes up in this continual wrestling match?

    lovemychris, people kill people. If the gun is guilty of murder lets put it on trail and charged it with murder, than imprison the gun.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Research on gun use shows gun owners most commonly use their weapons either to kill themselves or someone else. Gun account for 55% of suicides and 40% of homicides in the US ...

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Again, statistics are USELESS in this thread. The thread is about advocating for LEARNING/EDUCATION and RESPONSIBILITY!

        Get over it already.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You mean there is no statistics in involved in LEARNING/EDUCATION and RESPONSIBILITY!

          Sounds like we are jury by a Firing Squad

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No kidding.

          2. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Must be nice being blissful. hmm

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  29. Michael Willis profile image75
    Michael Willisposted 5 years ago

    To the OP of the Thread here are some thoughts for your Hub research:

    1. If the Government sets Legislation for Gun Control, how will they enforce it?
      -The Government will need more and bigger Guns to try to take away a Constitutional right of Americans.
      -Will the U.S. Government send the U.S. Troops into every American home and siege all guns and expect people to just hand them over?
      -Will the Government be able to handle the criminals that have guns? (If I hear a yes on this one I will assume someone is on an illegal drug!)
      -How will the Government be able to prevent the gun smugglers and black-market guns from reaching people? Especially the criminals.
      -How will The Government keep all Americans safe?

    2. If the Government sets Legislation for Gun Control, what will be the penalties?
      -Prison? Prison over-crowding is already a major issue as is. Taking away guns will Not decrease the population, but greatly increase the problem since Americans will not give up their rights to guns without a fight.
      -Fines? If people want their guns, they would either just pay the fine or end up in prison.
     
    3. Results of Gun Control
      -More people listed as criminals since Americans will fight for their rights.
      -Government vs Americans Freedoms: With the unrest between the American citizens and the U.S. Government as is now, it would add even more fuel to the distrust and outbursts. I would expect to see more violent confrontations.
      -Criminals such as gangs, mafia, drug cartels and corrupt politicians will have free reign over the American public if Americans cannot defend themselves.
      -Statistics may drop for Guns in killings, but the "Crime" itself will not stop. Criminals will still have guns. Criminals will find other ways to commit their crimes.

    Just some quick thoughts for you Ray. There are many more you can use for your research on the topic. I am just popping a few ones here for you.

    Posting these for the Subject of the Original Post as you asked!

    And a side note: It would be nice if we all lived in a world where guns were not needed. A world where Love was the theme and everyone was so thoughtful and kind. Peace ruled over all.
    But that is not "reality!"

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Michael. smile

  30. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "lovemychris, people kill people. If the gun is guilty of murder lets put it on trail and charged it with murder, than imprison the gun."

    Fine--why is cocaine illegal then? Heroine? THEY are not the problem, people using them are--so why are people thrown in jail for possessing them?

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Quit making comparisons to other things. And, try to stay on topic.

  31. wilmiers77 profile image61
    wilmiers77posted 5 years ago

    Ditto. I am in complete agreement with Micheal Willis. Thanks Micheal for stating your comments probably better than what I was thinking.
    Castlepaloma, lets keep it real. Your op words are suicide and homicide. Believe me, the persons will find another way to commit the save acts.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Violence will never stop violence, killing will never stop killing. You’d think the USA would have learn from this abuse with the highest murder rate and War rate in the world from the last few decades, this is for sure real.

      There is a solution, look at guns like a cocaine addiction or oil addiction; do not fear your Government your Government should fear you, like they do in Europe (not allowed to give statistic). Slowly wean yourselves off the gun addiction use your healthy innovation and people strength instead.

      1. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And maybe you should consider understanding what RIGHTS are to begin with and what Free Enterprise is also.

      2. Cagsil profile image77
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It's not a gun addiction. roll

        Guns are not addicting. wink

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          With the USA record it is,

          No other country comes close to your record.

          1. Cagsil profile image77
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            WOW! hmm

            Nice judgmental post. lol

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It's fact, not judgement, show me other wise facts without using stats.

              Most of your USA members on line have visited you and me to judgement day, 

              I bet we are not going

              1. Cagsil profile image77
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                roll

      3. wilmiers77 profile image61
        wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Castlepaloma, persons that murder and persons that are criminals is a very small percentage of all gun owners in America. You seem to be attributing violence to everyone that owns a gun.

        Also, thanks for acknowledging the threat of violence that is faced by law abiding citizens in America. Yes, it is real. Might you think that the overwhelming majority of citizens should have a gun for protection?

        Gun laws are need such as taking a mandatory safety course and undergo a thorough background check. Gun control should never go past these requirements. When citizens feel secure in their bodies and homes the practice of having a gun shall begin to decrease proportionally.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Do you think it is wise to cancel gun laws?

  32. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Guns are inanimate objects which you people say should not be blamed for killing people.
    Drugs are inanimate matter which are blamed for addicting people and lead to arrest and imprisonment for possessing them.

    ERGO--we DO say that inanimate objects are guilty!

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      LMC, your comparison of the two is meaningless. In America, one is a right and the other isn't. wink

    2. Michael Willis profile image75
      Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Drugs enter the body of the person and has mental effects on the Brain.
      Guns...smoke a gun or insert it through a needle. Duh!

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Killing a human is a mental illness and the fear from guns is much worst.

        Gun owners most commonly use their weapons either to kill themselves or someone else they know and lastly the criminal.

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          A mental illness? What planet do you live on? As for the fear from Guns, the fear itself comes from knowing it can kill you, if the person wielding it decides to pull the trigger on you.
          Other issues are involved, which is part of the problem. So, quit repeating yourself.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Doing whatever you can do,  to make this world safer and healthier is part of everyone's job.

            I am the fearless type remember, if anyone throws fear or Intimidation at me, it only bounces off.

            Tell me what would be more mentally ill than killing someone because I can't think of anything more harmful, can you?.

            What's worst than turning your life over to game over.

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Interesting that you say that, yet many would disagree.
              Irrelevant.
              It is not a mental illness someone. It's not right, but dressing it up as mental illness is pathetic.
              Letting people like you tell me how to live it.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I don't tell anyone how to live; I can't see through your eye balls or know everything in your brain or anyone’s.

                My daughter wants me to teach how to be artist, the lowest paying profession in the nation. I did not hold a gun on her or allow any guns in my relationship circle at all; she is doing it because she loves it and artist is a strong part of the nervous system to society, there is freedom for you.

                Guns are not a needed, it mainly increases danger and assume power. If you kill anyone, something dies inside your soul, that's why there is many suicide afterwards from any sort killing . Because love for yourself becomes much less, it becomes a low energy as mental illness is a low energy.

                To me this is a simply discussion of one kind of cause of death and more so about the misuse of it's power. Your thread is designed to be one sided on guns, I will defend anyone who is too frighten to face gun happy people.

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Gun happy people? Again, you fail to understand rights and free enterprise . You would rather oppress people and business. This is evident by your own words, even if you didn't directly come out and say it.

                  Again, like I said before, you've no ground to stand on. hmm

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I can point out many beautiful things about American and i am not putting down the US.  Yet you don't need guns for rights and free enterprise. There many other countries who are better example of rights and free enterprise and being civilized to it majority of people than the USA.

                    How many Americans would have this kind of experience of understanding when only a small amount of Americans own passports to find out?

    3. wilmiers77 profile image61
      wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lovemychris, there are illegal drugs and there are legal guns.
      The drug addict can always get drugs and the criminal can always get guns even if they become illegal. Please don't associate the overwhelming majority of gun owners for protection and hunting with the small criminal element and the murders of passion.

      If no guns than a long knife shall be used. If no knifes than a long hat pin shall be used. If no long hat pins than a baseball bat shall be used, ect, ect,...get my drift...

  33. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    I'm just trying to show you that saying guns don't kill people is ridiculous.

    btw--drugs could be a part of my pursuit of happiness...who is to say what makes me happy? I gotta go to jail for that.
    1st amendment--yeah, but there are 7 words you can't say in public. Stern was fined big time for his speech.

    Gun rights trump all others!

    And it's thanks to the NRA--3 most powerful lobbies: the NRA, AARP and AIPAC,.

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      LMC, please whatever you do, quit with the notion that the gun itself kills. It requires a human to load it, aim it and fire it, before it kills. It is just a tool/product created.
      At the present point, government has the say with regards to drugs, mostly because they are actually more dangerous than guns. Which is why making comparisons to between the two is meaningless.
      I'm sure there are words you cannot say in public, simply because the government wants people to be respectful and responsible with their actions(uttered words).
      Untrue.
      Those screw ups cause more problems than worth. However, guns handled by educated and responsible people, are most commonly used in self defense or protection.

    2. wilmiers77 profile image61
      wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lovemychrist, in reading your comments, you appear to ignore the need for people to protect themselves. Look at the real world! The world is still dangerous. The social settings of the mega-rich is very organized with policing activities intensified. Why? The world is dangerous. They can afford the best of protection.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not saying people shouldn't protect themselves, I'm saying any fool can go to Arizona and buy a gun. I'm saying any drug lord can come to Arizona and buy a gun. I'm saying that a little 5 yr old kid took his fathers blank pistol to school and put it to a little girls head.

        We are gloryfying it and it stinks!
        And your right to own appears to trump our right to be safe from fools.

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          LMC, it isn't being glorified in any manner. I'm advocating for better responsibility when it comes to Guns. If some idiot left their gun where a kid was able to take it to school, then that person should be held accountable. That's all.

          Better education and more responsibility is key to making things safer. wink

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            He was a police officer, and they found him not guilty of anything. Got a reprimand.

            So, when does the making things safer begin?

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well, if you're expecting an immediate turn around it isn't going to happen, but first a foundation must be laid, so as to move forward with it. smile


              As for your other reply, I certainly hope he does own a gun, but is responsible with it more so than the criminals in his neighborhood. lol

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well, I hope a neighbor doesn't get on his bad side.

                And a foundation should have been demanded right after Giffords shooting.....in fact, Brady did after he got shot--and that was a HUGE fight.

                I think we have been bullied into complacency by the NRA. No one says Boo to them.

                Geuss it's up to the gun owners to do it themselves.

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  LMC, I'm not siding with the NRA and it's pit bull lobbyists. Just to let you know. smile

                  But, something needs to be done and it begins with the individuals themselves. wink

        2. wilmiers77 profile image61
          wilmiers77posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lovemychris, do you think that the authorities can keep fools from getting guns, knifes, long hat pins, ect., ect.,...?  If so, than they should also be able to keep tons of dope  from crossing our border daily. 

          We are facing a paradox, a desire for a peaceful society and the reality of our present state. As citizens feel more secure in their bodies and homes, gun ownership shall decrease proportionally.

  34. stclairjack profile image80
    stclairjackposted 5 years ago

    heres a thought, bet you wish hub pages had a way for the original poster of the topic to ban someone who stalks the conversation for no other perpose than to rant wildly off subject and instigate ill will with horrible grammer and equaly horible manners.

    i'm just sayin',...

    re; the "original question",....

    i grew up in and still live in the rural mid west,.. we all own at least a squirel rifle,.. and yes, i eat squirels,... quite good at hitting them with a handgun as well, due to my RA not alowing my shoulders to bear the weight of a rifle much these days.... so banning hand guns would deprive me of my ability to continue to hunt. unlike the rabid uber NRA gang, i advocate a gun owners licence program,.. i know a great manny who could not pass even the lightest of tests to be considdered a responsable gun owner,... and as to those claims that its a slippery slope,... well of you to finaly realize the incline when half way up or down the mountain side that is the nature of democracy,...

    the overall problem in the gun debate is that those of us who are responsible want others to be as well,... we want our fellow citizens to be ..... "good",.... but we have created a culture that can no longer define "good",... all is relative or subjective,...

    expect only more inapropriate(not bad, that would be judgemental) behavior from america on this subject and a bevy of others,...

    i patiently await the stalkers (Castlepaloma) inevitable ranting and raving attack.    -poorly spelled as always -jack

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Much appreciate your input. smile

      1. stclairjack profile image80
        stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        had a thought,... should some one define what is a right Vs a priveledge?

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I've done so, if you're interested. My hub "Controversial- Rights Versus Morals". As for privileges? That is filled with so much ambiguity it's not even funny. However, I would think once a right has been defined, then a privilege wouldn't exist. lol

          1. Michael Willis profile image75
            Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            A Right is whatever "I" want...A Privilege is what "I" allow for others. big_smile

            1. Cagsil profile image77
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Actually, a privilege would be something that is bestowed onto others, either by you or someone else. However, as I said- it's filled with ambiguity, such as conditions/rules. wink

              1. Michael Willis profile image75
                Michael Willisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                True, I should have used the word bestowed. lol

                1. Cagsil profile image77
                  Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  wink

    2. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      stclairjack

      The man with a gun is much more of stalkers, and then I could ever be.

      Having a gun causes more harm, than not having a gun that has been proven worldwide. Beside; I don't care one sidedness on any topic that involves more harm. I can't imagine, running out of ideas to kill some one

      A man has more courage, not to kill than to kill.

      1. stclairjack profile image80
        stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        ok, my self controll no longer having the better of me,...

        arent you in canada at the moment?, you write (such as it is) as if you are A) from canada and B) think that canada has the moral social and economic upper hand on everything,.... so do tell,.... how is pres rosevelt, theodor, "our" president?????,.... i belive he was an american president, not canadian,.. so back off, you cant have him! ha!,.... he was also an avid hunter and very well read and well spoken,... i find it laughable that you would site as an example someone you share none of these things in common with.

        wanting to be open minded, i even cruised your prophile and tried reading some of your hubs,.... is there some kind of language barrier here,... or is it just sad that i dont speek artist?

        as an artist myself, i'll have to bone up on this language, but i'm not too crazy about the labotamy that it looks like it requires.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          stclairjack 

          Are you world friendly? President Roosevelt would be, and he created protective National Parks in which, I have much in common with. Most of the USA wars were just offensive wars; World War Two was an honorable defensive war, who today, has guts to confront the elite rich, like he did.

          I don't know how many other languages you speck, most of time I am speaking another languages, often in a jungle. Writing English on these hub pages is the most I have written in English ever and getting better.

          I have made half of my income in the USA and most of my relatives live in the USA and have many American friends there too, so I have some stake in the America.

          1. stclairjack profile image80
            stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            you have much in common with a park?,.. oh i see,.... protected by others, and full of,... well,... full of,... yourself.

            i enjoy a good spirited debate, realy dig an intelectual throw down,...you do not provide this.

            in short sir, you are rude, dismisive and not nearly so open minded as you might envision yourself,...... one has to wonder how you must be able to function in even the least chalenging of social settings,... i doubt that your attitude winns you manny friends or comrads,... good luck and god love you,.....,.... some one has to.

            the offer of the "what if" conversation is withdrawn, you have more than adequately demonsatrated that you lack the intelectual curiousity and integrity to participate.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Rings no bell or whistle here, you’re more likely talking about yourself.

              My intent is to have friendly enough conversations and balance a few things out, you sound up set, sorry for that anyway

              1. stclairjack profile image80
                stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                just now popped back in and found this,... on the contrary,... rather than upseting or offending me in any way,... you have been a huge source of laughter for the last few surfing sessions,.... those who know me well, know that i pray on my knees and i curse standing up,.... and few moments in my life bring me to my knees,....

                dont worry your little head, you did not offend or upset me in any way,.... your are in fact the most fun i've had in a week or so,.... bring it on my fellow contrarian! ;-)

                1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Glad for no hard feelings, Cagsil could not handle me and kick me off this thread.

                  Checking out another thread on Capital Punishment, these kinds of topics are the hardest.

                  1. Cagsil profile image77
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hey Castle, I told you to go away because all your talking points were meaningless to the thread.

                    I don't have the power to actually throw you out or kick you out of a thread. roll

                    If I did, then you wouldn't even be on the forums at all, much less this thread. Because, if your banned from one thread, then you are banned from posting altogether. But, I guess you've assumed you understand things, yet fail to see you don't actually do. roll

                  2. stclairjack profile image80
                    stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    believe it or not, you and i stand a very good chance of being on the same side of the capital punishment issue,... although i'm sure our reasoning and the way we might make the arguement would be greatly different.

                    point this conversation out to me.

  35. barryrutherford profile image36
    barryrutherfordposted 5 years ago

    wilmiers77

    If I were a criminal I would have no hesitation in invading a home in the United Staes with a weapon.  The reason is from statistics collected over 15 years my chances are you will have 0.2% per cent chance of using it against me.   I suppose the time & difficulty in getting the gun out (i assume in many states they are meant to be locked away)loaded, cocked and used against me,  So as a criminal if I was that would not be a serious factor.
    Of course there are many risksinvolved in everyday activities.  But thwe one activity that stands out as being prevetable is the use and possession of firearm which are accidentally discharged by children, by suicidal people or by angry people.  They do not resolve a dispute successfully as the outcome is always lose lose...

  36. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 5 years ago

    http://www.conservapedia.com/images/8/85/No_Weapons_Allowed.gif

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol lol

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        like oil addiction, you will have to change sooner or later. The USA will slowly wean themselves off the gun addiction , you can mark my words.

        1. Cagsil profile image77
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Like oil addiction? Oh WOW! You'll say anything won't you. lol

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            GW Bush said he dose not have to anwser to anyone, he is the President of the USA . I took the OIL addiction quote from him, funny again, coming from a oil man.

        2. Onusonus profile image86
          Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You think Americans are going to give up theit guns? Have you ever been to America?

          1. stclairjack profile image80
            stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            some folks live in thier own little self made utopia,... and he claims to have a stake in america,..... but he claims to be a mystical open minded artist too.

            1. Onusonus profile image86
              Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well people are allowed to think what they want.smile

              1. stclairjack profile image80
                stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                amen

          2. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Onusonus
            You think Americans are going to give up their guns? Have you ever been to America?

            Casgil wonders why I sometime I repeat myself, Onusonus you already know better , I posted this answer on your thread, it had something to do with, you were going to get a gun.

            I have made half of my income in the USA and most of my relatives live in the USA and have many American friends there too, so I have some stake in the America.

            I won 172 international artist award and broken 21 world record of large scaled sculptures, over 36 years. Did about an I/3 of all these in the USA, stclairjack- can you match this record?

            1. stclairjack profile image80
              stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              i give,... yours is bigger,.... feel better?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                As long as it’s not shaped like a missile, the greatest threat to mankind, no disrespect to bullet people.

                1. stclairjack profile image80
                  stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  dodging the double entandre,.... bob, weave,.... duck,.... very howard stern. ;-)

              2. stclairjack profile image80
                stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                you know, i've got the time to give this some thought now,...

                re;,... "I won 172 international artist award and broken 21 world record of large scaled sculptures, over 36 years. Did about an I/3 of all these in the USA, stclairjack- can you match this record?"

                i have peers that respect me, friends that trust me and loved ones that care about me despite all good reason,... i have one guitar of many that hasnt fallen prey to my arthritus yet, and those at the local watering hole know my name and what i drink without asking, and there is always a pool table for me there. my paintings hang in anonamous homes enjoyed by anonamous folks,... my songs are enjoyed by plain folks who have good enough taste to tell me when one sucked,.....

                i hope at least as much for you.

            2. Onusonus profile image86
              Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Dude, I'm not trying to mock you but the thought that Americans will ever get rid of their guns is far fetched. If you got arid of all the guns in America you could build a bunch of skyscrapers, but you'd have to pry the guns from their cold dead hands first.

              1. stclairjack profile image80
                stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                you cant mock him,.... he's imune to it,..... its akin to playing checkers with a dog, you'll win the game but he's still gona sh** on the rug. ;-)

                1. Onusonus profile image86
                  Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That's pretty funny, I'm totally using that one at work tonight.

                2. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  stclairjack

                  Don't you have any decent insults, that one is just meaningless crap?

                  1. stclairjack profile image80
                    stclairjackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    ok, how 'bout this one,...

                    a wise man seeks knowledge and understanding with his brother, and a fool will always mock what he does not understand.

                    hows that?

              2. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Onusonus

                I never said rid of your guns, I would not be allowed on this thread if I ever implied that, I might be shot by some, just kidding

                I presented a solution of Canadian gun laws. It has been ignored here on this thread. A long with not looks at  and shot down on Onusonus thread.

                Hunting is just fine just not poaching and trophy hunting of rare animals
                If you’re not owned by the rich enough now or if you do not fear your Government enough now.  Try canceling all gun control, and then see what happens then.

                I’ll be hidden in a jungle with my family watching the bloody news on my satellite laptop. Because all of the most dangerous animal combined would not be a fraction of what dangers you will be experiencing.

                1. Onusonus profile image86
                  Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Ok, I just assumed that Weaning ourselves of our gun addiction meant geting rid of them, you are obviously implying something different.
                  We do have laws about fully automatic weapons, and as a result the only people who own them are criminals. Of course I don't forsee myself getting into any infractions with somone who has one simply because I don't live in a high crime area.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Washington City or State?

  37. mcrawford76 profile image89
    mcrawford76posted 5 years ago

    What if; every citizen of the world was not only armed, but was well trained to use a firearm. How many crimes would be eliminated?

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting thought. Much appreciated. smile


      I guess that would depend on a bunch of other factors. lol

  38. lightning john profile image61
    lightning johnposted 5 years ago

    If you do the research, most criminals target people that are older look weak or are defenseless.  They are cowards, because if they know that a person might be armed they will not attempt it.
    I am a responsible licensed gun owner.  I would never want to use a firearm against another.  But I will before I become a victim.Lj

    1. Cagsil profile image77
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      smile

 
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