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In general, do women work harder than men for the same pay?

  1. tritrain profile image78
    tritrainposted 5 years ago

    Some would argue that, since women tend to get paid less than men, a woman has to work harder/longer.

    Well, what do you think?

    1. lady_love158 profile image60
      lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Of course they do! Men are only good for one thing... changing a flat! Lol!

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        matgamingposted 5 years ago in reply to this


      2. DTR0005 profile image86
        DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LOLLLL - we finally agree.

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        Home Girlposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        They can take out their own garbage if you remind them nicely (important!) 5 -6 times.

    2. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure some would argue and it wouldn't be true.
      Both men and women both have the exact same potential, with regards to their mind. On the physical standpoint, yes men usually will take a physical labor type job and do it better than a woman, just because of man's ability.

      I would go as far to say that many women work smarter than men, but most do not. There are few women who can match a man with regards to length of time(endurance). If the game is physical, man might win more often than not. If the game is mental, then men will lose more often than not.

      If it's a combination(balance) of physical and mental, then they are evenly matched. smile

    3. Evan G Rogers profile image84
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Before I start, women work very hard. I will never deny that.

      But this entire "women get paid less" stuff is BS.

      First and foremost, almost every non-feminist woman I've met has admitted that they want a rich husband. Openly. They've said it to my face. I know of at least 3 women who have actually said that love doesn't matter and that they want a rich guy.

      Talk about a double standard.

      Second, if you compare income levels of men and women, there IS a gap. But as soon as you take into consideration "are they married, or have they ever been married", the gap almost completely vanishes. The reason the gap exists is because, for whatever reason, women CHOOSE to stay at home, or take worse jobs than their husbands, when they marry.

      "The Case for Discrimination" Talks about this quite thoroughly, and *gasp* uses real census data to back up these claims.

      Think about it men: if you got married, and the woman made more money than you... you might not like it too much.

      Think about it women: do you really want to marry a poor guy?

      The gap is the outcome of marriage.

  2. Eaglekiwi profile image75
    Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago

    I think Women just work smarter smile

    Men on the other hand tend to work methodically for longer  periods.(IMO)

    1. tritrain profile image78
      tritrainposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think I would agree with your opinion on it.

      And together, a man and a woman could make a great team!

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
        Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yep, a smart team is the one that utilises the best characteristics   to get the job done.

        I think too ,that all people should be paid according to their over all contribution. Male and Female.

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    maria2posted 5 years ago

    I think that a woman can think of nothing more than one at a time

    1. RachaelLefler profile image91
      RachaelLeflerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Haha, I was just about to say the exact opposite! I think women can do more multitasking while men tend to prefer to focus on one thing, get it done, than move to the next one. Any mother I know is a champion multitasker!

  4. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 5 years ago

    No, women do not work harder for the same pay.  Very few women go into jobs that require hard work - they are not generally physically capable of doing the job.  I have never seen a female iron worker, sheetrock hanger or even framer for instance.  It simply takes too much simple muscle for the feminine physique.

    On the other hand I think women must all too often work longer for the same pay.  Although highly illegal it is all to common a practice to pay women less for the same job than a man earns. This is changing, but it is a long and slow process - slower than it should be.

    1. daviddwarren22 profile image59
      daviddwarren22posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You have a point.

    2. Beth100 profile image82
      Beth100posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I beg to differ. I know two women welders, three electricians (and masters in their profession), five oil rig workers and two who operate heavy equipment. They do not receive the same pay as the men even though they do the same work, same project and same hours. Why? They're told that based on the union pay scales, they don't fall into the same pay grid. Odd thing is, they have worked just as long, if not longer, than some of the men. Neither they, nor I, have figured this one out. BTW, these women are just as strong, if not stronger, than some of their male colleagues.  They are more agile, flexible and fearless when it comes to their work.  They have more common sense, know their abilities, know their boundaries and are not shy of speaking their mind if their safety is in question.  They are responsible for their own safety as well as their teams'. 

      Personally, I graduated from a class consisting of 21 men and I was the only female. When we began our careers, I was consistently paid less than they were -- same jobs/responsibilities, same years of experience, same success if not better. Not only was I paid less, I was passed over for promotions and had upper management ignore any recommendations I made. The men and I tested my theory -- I presented a recommendation and it was turned down by the Board of Directors. A fellow male colleague presented the same recommendation verbatim (even with the same illustrations) and the recommendation was approved and implemented. Who was credited for it? Not me.

      Even in today's employment market, women do not earn the same income as men. The tide is slowly changing, but it's an uphill battle. Women still have to work harder, smarter and be more agressive than their male counter parts.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        We all know a few women that can work most men under the table, and a few men that are barely strong enough to lift a spoon to their mouth.  The women weightlifters I see on TV can outlift 99% of the men I know.

        This does not indicate that women in general physically work harder than men.  On average there is no doubt at all that men work harder than women.  A few individual exceptions do not change this.

        I do not doubt, however, (and my post clearly states this) that there is a pay disparity between men and women for the same job.  It is not always there (female journeyman electricians receive the same pay as males in my company) but it is there far too often and it is taking far too long to change.

        1. Beth100 profile image82
          Beth100posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Your female journeymen are extremely lucky to have an employer who recognizes that their worth is equivalent to their male counterparts.

          I still believe, in my own experiences and opinion, that women work harder, smarter and endure more in order to reach the same pay level as men for the same work and number of hours.

  5. DonDWest profile image91
    DonDWestposted 5 years ago

    I don't know if women necessarily get paid less, but jobs typically done by women tend to pay less. I should know, because I'm often stuck with such jobs. . .

  6. Disturbia profile image60
    Disturbiaposted 5 years ago

    There is still a wage gap between men and women. Women currently make approximately 80 cents for every dollar that men earn for the same work. In 2009, President Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, which allows victims of pay discrimination to file a complaint with the government against their employers. As for working harder, women still shoulder the major responsibility for domestic chores and child rearing even with a job outside the home. They don't say "women's work is never done" for nothing.

    1. RachaelLefler profile image91
      RachaelLeflerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, that's true. As far as we come at equality in white collar (no heavy lifting) jobs, it's still expected that the woman in the relationship do housework and if she's single, it reflects extremely badly on her if her house isn't tidy, much more so than if she were a man. And child rearing is such an unequal game, but that is slowly progressing...

  7. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Yes, women are paid less..and they are not valued as much either. The jobs themselves are somehow downgraded, imo.
    Like, for instance, I told my boss that I was once the manager of a retail store. He said, "Oh, you were just a glorified clerk."
    When people don't show up for work, we women manage to pull things together, regardless of how it happens. The boss says nothing.
    Our handy-man fixes a washing machine, and you would think he was deserving of a gold medal!!
    It's the mind-set that bothers me. And maybe it's just my age.
    I don't think my daughters have the same experience. Younger men today are more enlightened smile

  8. lady_love158 profile image60
    lady_love158posted 5 years ago

    Men are also good for mowing the lawn... if they're properly supervised!

    1. RachaelLefler profile image91
      RachaelLeflerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'd say men are best for opening tough jars!

      1. lady_love158 profile image60
        lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        True.. but there not worth keeping around just for that!

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
          Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Just remember though:
          Vibrators cant mow lawns or change a tyre wink

          On a more serious note if the best man/woman does the job well ,then they should be paid accordingly irrespective of their gender.

          Traditionally men have been the breadwinner,as many occupations demanded physical labour,that women while capable in many tasks,generally do not excel in.
          Equality, has moved forward in the last 50 yrs (IMO) at the upper end of the spectrum -Numbers of females in the boardroom and holding top excutive positions are a noticable improvement.

          Men and women work differently ,therefore based on true equality should be paid according to skil and not gender.

          1. lady_love158 profile image60
            lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No... but they don't talk back, cheat, or quit before you're satisfied either! Lol

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
              Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ah true enough ,but thank God only some of 'em wink

  9. Maddie Ruud profile image82
    Maddie Ruudposted 5 years ago

    Studies show women are also more hesitant to ask for a raise.  And for good reason.  In a recent study:

    Source: NPR, italics mine

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image75
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Men probably felt threatened ,or at least the insecure ones smile

      1. Jed Fisher profile image89
        Jed Fisherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well the numbers are skewed, the earnings of bazillionaire men who inherited their jobs are inlcuded, but the pennnies per hour prison jobs of two million American men aren't factored in. Also, median lifetime earnings disparity of middle class men and women, women who choose to work make more during their lifetimes. Another thing to consider, the pay of men in careers normally dominated by women, such as nursing. Male nurses make less. And in the military, there is no dispairity in pay but some studies cite the fact male soldiers tend to collect more 'danger' and 'hazardous duty' pay. It all comes down to the individual, demanding the pay for which they are willing to work. It's just something I noticed, during decades of intelligent observation, men and women are diffrent.

  10. dingdondingdon profile image62
    dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago

    It is a fact that women work longer hours for less pay. The statistics bear it out. Women are more than 50% of the world's population, working 3/4 of the world's working hours (and this does not even include childcare and housework, which traditionally women do more of), and own less than 1% of the world's property. 13 of the Fortune 500 CEOs are women.

    What's more, fields that are generally women-dominated (childcare, education, etc) usually oh-so-mysteriously become more male-dominated the closer you get to the top. More women than men are school teachers but more men than women are head teachers. Funny, that.

    1. DonDWest profile image91
      DonDWestposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "13 of the Fortune 500 CEOs are women."

      I think this explains the disparity more than anything. If we removed all the rich CEO overlord class, how much closer is it?

  11. prettydarkhorse profile image62
    prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago

    this will never be eradicated, it might get better with time in some societies. Society will always discriminate people based on age, sex and statuses. I don't know for internet writers, if this holds true - female writers are being paid lesser, might be credibility issues based on topic. At least in the eyes of G adsense we aren't discriminated. (Internet jobs require a non social setting, there is no social relationship and hierarchy unlike when you work in an office where there is notion of patriarchy and hierarchy which are carried on)