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Who Pays Right Wing Posters to Attack Barack Obama?

  1. AnnCee profile image78
    AnnCeeposted 5 years ago

    Just wondering.  I'd like some extra money for a Mediterranean cruise.

    1. lady_love158 profile image59
      lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Lol! Obama's such an incompetent millions would do it for free! Doesn't anyone see why people are so opposed to him? The government is 25% bigger since he took office... who's going to pay for that? You and me! Getting rid of Obama and the democrats means more jobs less tax smaller government ... whose interest isn't served by that? Who doesn't profit from that? Well besides the unions and basically government workers everbody else! You don't have to pay me i'll collect in spades when we rid the government of this scum!

      1. bgamall profile image86
        bgamallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You can't just be doing this because you are driven can you Lady? No one is that fanatical are they?

        1. lady_love158 profile image59
          lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You have a one man crusade against banks, capitalism, and think oil is bad and you call me fanatical?? Lol!

          1. pisean282311 profile image56
            pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol ...nice point lady...but remember he had said he wants to change usa fundamentally and people voted for him...so now he is doing what he promised...

          2. bgamall profile image86
            bgamallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes I do. But they are based on my own research and observation and not on talking points that are a form of metaprogramming.

    2. readytoescape profile image60
      readytoescapeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Me too, and I will attack anyone for the right amount of cash.

      I'm Mercenary that way.


      That does raise an interesting notion though, It seems there are at least two political operatives that appear to work the forums on this site heavily.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

      2. AnnCee profile image78
        AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Who's that?

        Good news for you, ready, Media Matters is now hiring.   You could probably find a way in through this link:

        http://change.gov/

    3. DTR0005 profile image86
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I would start by asking Lady Love.

    4. Onusonus profile image88
      Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You should sell tomatoes at Obama's next rally. You'll be rich!

      1. pisean282311 profile image56
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        well shoes would have made him more richer during bush era...but that chance is missed now...let us wait for 2016 and then we would have shoe throwing era back...may be...

        1. Onusonus profile image88
          Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, either that or we will be giving the next looser the Nobel Prize for doing nothing.

          1. pisean282311 profile image56
            pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            oh...that prize would have been given to any one after bush...nobel guys thought any one who becomes president of usa after bush would be any how be more peaceful...it was more of token of appreciation and relief world got as bush went...i guess if mccain would have won , he would have got that prize too...

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              BunuBobuposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Strange but true.
              Obama should win a nobel prize for public speaking.

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            passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I don't agree with a lot of Presidents Obama's . but he is our president and we should pray for him, not distract him and show him hate.

            1. Onusonus profile image88
              Onusonusposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Asking that the Nobel Prize be given to somone who deserves it is not hatred. I simply wish that our presidents be given a gold star for accomplishment instead of good intentions. But that's not the direction our country is headed. All the kids in the class should get a gold star for accomplishing nothing, afterall it's only fair.

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                Texasbetaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                ...says the guy who believes in magical underwear. Yeah, I think I'll get my op/ed from somewhere else.

    5. Jillian Barclay profile image86
      Jillian Barclayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      There was an ad on Craigslist that was recruiting. It was removed shortly after it was put up. I will bet this company has employed or does employ some people who post here.

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Date: 2011-03-28, 1:03PM EDT
      Reply to: job-f922t-2291333753@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Writers Needed to post Right-wing Comments to social media and news outlets

      We are a social media company working for a political organization, hired to help balance the left-wing bias of the major media outlets by supplying a team of writers who will post to newspaper comments, media forums, FB pages, etc. We are NOT officially afiliated  with Harper campaign

      You  writing must be strong, right-wing and use supplied talking points without bogging down in too much detail. You are creating an online persona with a consistent tone. Ideally you can find or make up facts and statistics to stir controversy. Where suited humour, sarcasm and personal insults are welcome.

      You are a news junky who is able to log on to news forums, facebook  pages several times a day. You are able to write comments tailored to new topics while always repeating key talking points.

      Compensation: TBD. hourly rate and volume of online activity. Bonuses for controversial postings that heat up a topic or forum thread.

      How to apply: We are more interested in your writing than your resume. To apply submit a 100 word post based on the headline "Ignatieff Promises No Coalition after Election" Show us that you can write from a right wing character voice, score points, stir outrage and use humour.

      Be sure to include your name, email and cell number so we can contact you.

      Sorry, only candidates who submit the best test post submissions will be contacted for an interview.

      Location: National

      Compensation: TBD. hourly rate and volume of online activity. Bonuses for controversial postings that heat up a topic or forum thread.

      This is a part-time job.

      Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.

      Please, no phone calls about this job!

      Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

      PostingID: 2291333753

      1. dingdondingdon profile image61
        dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "Make up facts when necessary."

        That really does sum Republicans up.

      2. lady_love158 profile image59
        lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh really? Did you answer the ad? Do you know WHO placed it? What's the basis for your speculation?

        1. superwags profile image83
          superwagsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Haha! I knew you must be getting a bung from somewhere!

      3. kerryg profile image89
        kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It sounds like satire to me. I would think the first rule of astroturfing would be never talk about astroturfing. tongue

      4. AnnCee profile image78
        AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh dang!   If you see the ad again could you let me know?  tongue   I hav vey stong righting sckills and a dam good attidude.

    6. tony0724 profile image59
      tony0724posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You mean I could get paid for that ?

      1. pisean282311 profile image56
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        yup...lot of money it seems ...

        1. tony0724 profile image59
          tony0724posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          sign me up then

        2. lady_love158 profile image59
          lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh yeah! I can't believe what they're paying me to convince 10 people on hubpages freedom is good for them! Lol!

    7. ewd76 profile image61
      ewd76posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Don't know, but as long as they pay better than adsensm I'm in.

      1. Hugh Williamson profile image88
        Hugh Williamsonposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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      Texasbetaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Americans for Prosperity, Freedomworks, and TeaPartyNation.com pay bloggers to "control the online dialogue." Ask Lalo - she's one. Those orgs will train you on how to and pay a little, but the only ones who pay a living wage are actual PR firms, which nearly every GOP PAC has, Congressional staffers, corps like Koch Industries, etc. You'd have to get into a PR firm in order to get legitimately paid. You'd have to get quite a bit better though. Your argument are a bit lacking.

    9. donotfear profile image91
      donotfearposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      "Who Pays Right Wing Posters to Attack Barack Obama?"


      Is that a paranoid statement or does a chicken have lips?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well obviously there are chickens with lips!  If I'm not mistaken--and please don't quote me on this--their lips cover their McNuggets!  lol

    10. Christopher Floyd profile image60
      Christopher Floydposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Alright. Okay. I pay the right wingers to attack Obama on Hubpages. I can't help it. That's why they call it a vast right wing conspiracy.  And believe me, once you're in, you're in it for life. Like a gang. Well, okay. I don't pay them myself. The money is funneled to me and I distribute it. That reminds me, have you all responded to that Nigerian email sitting in your junk box yet? Go ahead. Its the patriotic thing to do. Anyway, I pay the right wing bloggers. All of them. Each and every one. And I pay them well. Oh yeah. I pay them each half of what Google Adsense pays. I'm talking big bucks. (I'm hiring, by the way.) So there is your answer. You found me out.
      By the way, for cruises, you really can't beat Alaska. ANWAR is beautiful this time of year.

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol

        And on topic too!

    11. NEWSHAWKER profile image62
      NEWSHAWKERposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Who pays left wingers to attack Sarah Palin?

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sarah doesn't need anyone to attack her, she is perfectly capable of doing that herself. smile

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          ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          obama is the President. Presidents are always 'attacked.' It's part of the job. Palin holds no public office at all, yet the far left cannot stop obsessing over her. Imagine how viscious the attacks would be if a Latino or African American rose to real political prominence and was considered a strong contender for the Presidency. Liberals like to use race, gender, etc. as a weaponl but it has always been about the politics.

  2. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Where are all the jobs the newly elected Republi-cons campaigned on? Oh, I see, they're sitting on them until after 2012.
    How pro-American of them!!!

    1. Jim Hunter profile image60
      Jim Hunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Politicians don't create jobs.

      They clear the path so business owners can do that.

      The path seems to still be obstructed with democrats.

      1. DTR0005 profile image86
        DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Jim... you are absolutely correct - politicians don't create jobs -
        Might want to call John Boehner and remind of that..

    2. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      They're too busy slashing jobs and sending more Americans to the unemployment lines and foreclosures.
      Look at any state with a Koch brothers 'paid-for' newly elected governor.

    3. NEWSHAWKER profile image62
      NEWSHAWKERposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      no jobs will be created as long as President  Obama  and the democrats are in power. by the way do you know why the democrats did not pass a 2011 budget last fiscal year? first time in history! which is why we are fighting the democrats budget battle in a republican congress!

      1. lady_love158 profile image59
        lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Lol! Well said and good question! The democrats wanted this battle because they are afraid to do what's good for this country because that might mean they would have to be responsible for cuts to the people that elect them!

        That are evil cowardly scum!

  3. pisean282311 profile image56
    pisean282311posted 5 years ago

    @ts i also suspect that some hubbers out here are being paid to defame obama...i mean even sarah palin has not been critical , day in day out for obama...none can be so biased unless they are on pay roll and doing their job...

    1. Mighty Mom profile image91
      Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Imagine how pissed their day job employers will be when they figure out how their employees are spending their so-called "workday." They pay them to be productive. Instead, they're on here being destructive. sad

      1. pisean282311 profile image56
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        but if one is paid to be destructive , one is doing the job...daily around 10 topics which are anti obama are started on hubpages...m sure  there would be many more sites where such topics would have been started...so they are doing their job by starting such thread and spreading their hatred and trying to influence opinion....

    2. NEWSHAWKER profile image62
      NEWSHAWKERposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      First of all nobody is defaming President Obama. Secondly, I am making my comments about the President because i disagree with his entire political ideology. I also make these comments on my own computer and on my own time. All Presidents are subject to criticism and praise; so if he cannot be criticized, maybe he should resign. Also i am a naturalized Nigerian from West Africa................. I guess that makes me an Uncle Tom?

  4. literarychimp profile image60
    literarychimpposted 5 years ago

    i pay for some of them myself, nothing is more amusing than watching "American conservatives" become indignant........although the fact that they are serious makes it sad, a tragi-comedy

    1. AnnCee profile image78
      AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'd say the conservatives at this forum and most others I've seen have far better humor than liberals!   Have you looked at DemocraticUnderground?? 

      You're not reading the posts if you think liberals have humor.   They call conservatives names and try to shut them up.

      Conservatives tease and poke fun at liberals around here and they explode like beehives  with buzzing clouds of anger every time. 

      Well except Mighty Mom, she's got a great sense of humor.

      1. Maembe profile image61
        Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Don't worry.  I can assure you that plenty of people are laughing at you.

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          Texasbetaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          ...in almost every single post. Yes.

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    BunuBobuposted 5 years ago

    I was wondering the same thing.
    Why is there so much Obama bashing?
    No matter how bad he may be, he will never really be as bad as Bush who miraculously got two terms.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image91
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "he will never really be as bad as Bush who miraculously got two terms."

      'Miraculously?' So, are you sayingn the Bush presidency was the will of God? wink

  6. BillyDRitchie profile image61
    BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago

    Why are there so many anti-Obama threads started every day?  Perhaps because he is an incompetent President who is in over his head and whose policies will make our nation weaker?

    By the same token, why aren't there more pro-Obama threads started each day?  If the guy is as great as the left claims, it shouldn't be too hard to tout his accomplishments, right?

    1. dingdondingdon profile image61
      dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      To be honest, how many positive politics threads do you see on Hubpages forums anyway? People aren't interested in talking about what's done right. It's like this for Obama and it's been like this for every other politician throughout history. The good things largely go ignored during their term, because it's not an interesting talking point.

  7. recommend1 profile image71
    recommend1posted 5 years ago

    As the little 'cluck' of assiduous anti-Obama posters are so clearly paid to litter the forums - shouldn't HP treat them as spammers ??

    1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
      BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That is a strong accusation, pal.  I guess asking you to back it up would be going too far, right?

      However I do believe that Obama is thin skinned enough that I can totally see him spending government funds to try and chase down posters on lil ol' Hubpages.....

  8. kerryg profile image89
    kerrygposted 5 years ago

    New Media Strategies might be a good starting point, but they got caught, so the Koch brothers have probably moved on. Someone there might be able to point you in the right direction, though. tongue

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Media_Strategies
    http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/koc … ck-puppet/

    If you're good with voices, Premiere Radio Networks hires actors to call in to Limbaugh and Hannity's shows.

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Limb … 5-942.html

  9. Maembe profile image61
    Maembeposted 5 years ago

    I doubt anyone is paid.  The Right has leapt at the opportunity to radicalize their base after the 2008 election and this is the result.  The hatred an vitriol against Obama is unprecedented, but only because of the bad economy Bush left him which allows them to work against the president.  It was never like this during the Clinton admin because the economy was booming. 
    However, I cannot explain how so many ultra-Right wingers ended up on one apolitical forum.

    1. lady_love158 profile image59
      lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The right didn't "radicalize" it's base, Americans are reacting to the far left policies of president Obama and.his bullying tactics to pass socialist unconstitutional legislation through congress over the objection of the American people.

      1. Maembe profile image61
        Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Reacting by becoming more radical.  How do you explain all of the Right wing conspiracy theories popping up all over the place? 
        Right wing commentators are increasing in popularity.  Glenn Beck even got his own Show!  Bill O'Reilly is considered by many to be too far left so they are turning to more radical pundits like Hannity, Rush, and Beck.
        I hear the word "Socialist" and even "Communist" all the time from people like yourself who are parroting these commentators despite not actually knowing what those words mean.

        1. lady_love158 profile image59
          lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Politics is a pendulum and the country was pulled far to the left naturally the swing back to the right will equal the pull to the left.
          I know precisely what socialist and communit mean and I believe I've provided evidence to support my view that Obama is socialist and the democrats are too co opted by the communist party. You can choose to disagree and even find evidence to support your view but you wont change my mind! They are the ones that want more government and I don't trust government they are the ones that want to redistribute wealth confiscate private property and hand it to their voters. You can call it what you want but we all KNOW where they're headed and Americans.don't want anything to do with it!

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Obama a socialst!! lol lol lol

            Lady, you wouldn't know socialism if it jumped up and bit you!

            1. lady_love158 profile image59
              lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              That's what all you socialists say to hide your true intent.

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well, if you think Obama is a socialist then you know little or nothing and understand even less.

                1. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I guess you have not read his books because if you did you would be a fool to say he is not a anti-colonialist/socialist! again placing foot in mouth with using brain. not good John. I'm a democrat and see through him and the people he surrounds himself with.

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    OK, you say Obama is a socialist!

                    Why hasn't he pulled out of the numerous wars the US is engaged in?
                    Why is he sucking up to big business?
                    Why didn't he introduce socialist health care?
                    Why hasn't he closed Gitmo?

                    Why, in fact has he done not one socialist thing in his term in power?

                  2. Maembe profile image61
                    Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Wait, are you saying he should be a "colonialist"?  Isn't that exactly the opposite of what the US was founded upon?

          2. Maembe profile image61
            Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I rest my case

        2. Jim Hunter profile image60
          Jim Hunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "Right wing commentators are increasing in popularity."

          When have they not been popular?

          Rush Limbaugh has had a National radio show for 23 years.

          Beck has been Nationwide for 9 years.

          Hannity has been on since September 10 2001.

          This is not exactly a new phenomenon.

          New would be a liberal talk show that lasts longer than the milk in your refrigerator.

          1. lady_love158 profile image59
            lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Lol! You made me spit out my coffee!

        3. DTR0005 profile image86
          DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Did the desk melt?

  10. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago

    The Koch brothers?

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      more one liners by crapola ralph!

    2. rebekahELLE profile image91
      rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Ralph, Perhaps some aren't familiar with the Koch's agenda.
      http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010 … fact_mayer

  11. Arthur Fontes profile image90
    Arthur Fontesposted 5 years ago

    OMG you think it is possible that there are posters in forums that actually work for either of the parties?

    I would have never thought that possible, in fact I had a hub unpublished that was a fictional story of a person hired to post in forums. 

    Now here we have a whole thread on the subject, hmmmm?

    I wonder if my hub was unjustly unpublished?

    1. LeanChris profile image80
      LeanChrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Nope. And I really doubt that Hubpages would be complicit in such a scheme. Firstly, they are based out of San Fransisco, so demographically speaking, they would be likely to support liberal PACs, but of course, being a business they always support business interests.

      However, the nature of internet media at this stage is vastly different than television media. We are very active and interact with our media, where as television is a one-way flow of information. This interactivity means that opinion and reputation matter alot.

      I don't think HP would risk their consumer base by becoming biased. However, the fact that your story got censored might say
      something.

  12. LeanChris profile image80
    LeanChrisposted 5 years ago

    Traditionally speaking, this country is even further right than it started out. A socialist world would look vastly different from what we have today.

    As your reference to 'socialist' writings in his books, I think one book of his might genuinely be qualified as such. "Change We Can Believe In"

    However, CWCBI was written during the primaries to decide who would represent the democratic base. All politicians seem further left or right, during the primaries, and move more towards the center as the election comes to a close.

    As for PACs paying folks to post negative comments, it is actually happening. I was offered a job by a Tea Party lobby here in Atlanta GA to do the same. I turned down the job, not out of some sort of moral restraint or care, but mostly because I was going to school at the time, and had the Post-9/11 GI Bill to cover my expenses.

    Plus, in the end, I don't feel that the tea party lobby and PAC groups would be large enough to content with the vast amount of corporate control and lobby. The Corporations control what we watch on television to suit their particular brand of two-party conflict.

    So why would they stay away from the Internet? As the new media emerges, they want to struggle to grasp onto it.

  13. LeanChris profile image80
    LeanChrisposted 5 years ago

    As a last point, you can look at the evolution of Youtube. Originally the corporate channels where there, but they had little idea how to make their content popular. They hired optimizers who made their content stand out, and then paid off Youtube to move the 'most watched' and 'highest rated' categories to the back of the line.

    Now? You have to dig to find both categories, and the front page is full of corporate stuff, and anything viral enough to have garnered some amount of cross-media attention.

  14. optimus grimlock profile image61
    optimus grimlockposted 5 years ago

    santa claus does he's secretly a racist!

  15. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    To begin with, many don't realize that, prior to Obama's election to office, a huge wave of chain emails were distributed (and it continues) to create and perpetuate anti-Obama hysteria...

    Yes, I do mean hysteria....when one looks at the subject matter, the extremist b.s., it is obvious what emotions were being targeted...

    I wrote a few hubs in response to these emails...which were being sent to an uncle of mine en masse..... In turn, he would then send them on, including to my parents...

    This is where my animosity towards the "conservative" camp began....

    They lied, exaggerated, and innuendoed readers who don't know any better.....and this created the "anti-Obama" energy that still persists..

    Has anyone here been sent any of these ridiculous emails?

    Concerning socialism vs. capitalism....

    Does anyone know why Los Angeles is called the "Fragmented Metropolis"?

    1. caltex profile image60
      caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      mikelong... just like this email from Huntley Brown that was forwarded to many?   Lies and exaggerations???  Which part?

      Why I Can't Vote For Obama
      By Huntley Brown

      Dear Friends,
      A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an e-mail with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but its worth repeating..

      First I must say who ever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

      Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.

      I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means he leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms he does because he is the leader.

      I can't vote black because I am black I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I wont be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I know Jesus and accepted him as Lord and savior.

      In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.

      We need to follow Martin Luther King's words don't judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don't know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record.

      His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.

      NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

      To beat Ted Kennedy and Hilary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing.
      Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.

      There is a reason planned parenthood gives him a 100 % ratings.
      There is a reason the homosexual community supports him.
      There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc loves him.
      There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the supreme court.
      There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill.
      There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage.
      There is a reason he voted no on partial birth abortion.
      There is a reason he voted no on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.

      Lets take a look at the practice he wanted to continue.

      The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedure
      A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps.
      (Remember this is a live baby)
      B. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
      C. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head.
      D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
      E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.
      God help him.

      There is a reason Obama opposed the parent notification law.

      Think about this you can't give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

      There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years.

      Obama tells us he has good judgement but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wrights sermons. I wonder why now?

      Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28 v 19 - 20 Go and make disciples of all nations. This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you, talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

      Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenants that said they have a

      1. Commitment to the White Community
      2. Commitment to the White Family
      3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
      4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community .
      5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
      6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
      7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.”
      Would you support a President who went to a church like that?

      Just change the word from white to black and you have the tennants of Obamas former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.

      This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can't be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.

      A church can't have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if its a white church or a black church its still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.

      Obama's former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.

      Cone is the man Obama's mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?

      So what does all this mean for the nation?

      In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing judgement.

      Read 1 Samuel 8. When Israel asked for a king.
      First God says 1 Samuel 8 v 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do."

      Then God says
      1 Samuel 8 v 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king
      you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day."
      19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. "No!" they said. "We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
      21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, "Listen to them and give them a king."


      Here is what we know for sure

      God is not schizophrenic

      He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.

      Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

      For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion.

      He might have to nominate three or four supreme court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you.

      I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this.I know I can look the other way because of the economy.

      I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama's positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.

      Since we know someone's value system has to be placed on the nation,

      1 Whose value system should be placed on the nation.

      2 Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?

      Blessings,
      Huntley Brown

      1. Maembe profile image61
        Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Most if not all of it were lies from the little bit I read.  I'd be willing to bet a hansom sum that the author was not black as well.

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          ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          A 'what' sum?

        2. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          LMAO the person who doesnt believe in conspiracy theories doubts the author was black!!! OMG LMFAO!!!! when somethings make perfect sense you just say it is false or ridicule it. you have shown your true colors. lets see you debunk that!! LMAO

        3. caltex profile image60
          caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "I'd be willing to bet a hansom sum that the author was not black as well."

          Do you really want to?!?

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "To begin with, many don't realize that, prior to Obama's election to office, a huge wave of chain emails were distributed (and it continues) to create and perpetuate anti-Obama hysteria..."


      ...and...come on, and...

      I seem to recall a lot of hoopla about obama using the internet to promote his candidacy more than any other candidate in our nation's history.

      And does anyone remember the Red Guard-ish White House site that was set up so 'right thinking' citizens could report those who were speaking out ("spreading disinformation" in newspeak) against obamacare? It was taken down relatively quickly, but it was there. And the email lists that were being compiled? Wonder if those will be dusted off during the next election?

      Lots of dirty hypocrisy to go around...

    3. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This was QUITE obvious on hate-talk radio.
      Only one I even listened to then was Jay Severin.....and he was just as bloviatingly bad as Russsshhhhhhhhh.

    4. DTR0005 profile image86
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You are right about the emails..the hysteria. On a lark, I signed up to get Tea Party propoganda. I get several emails per day. You wouldn't believe the crap- makes the wingnuts on hubpages look sane.

      1. AnnCee profile image78
        AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Why thank you!  big_smile

        1. DTR0005 profile image86
          DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're welcome... But I will tell you this - having read the factless, historically inaccurate "spin" that the Tea Party puts out to its "followers," I am not going to convert anytime soon.

          In all fairness, the Left puts out their fair share of crap too; I am able to dismiss the "crap" on both sides. I hope you can say the same....

  16. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

    Just for the record.  My opinion is, anyone on these forums getting paid to post political threads are scum!  Not pond scum, cause that would be a slur on pond scum.  But a type of slime similar to the the trail a slug or snail leaves when oozing along about their business.  You get the picture!  smile

    But sadly enough, there are always takers.

    1. Jim Hunter profile image60
      Jim Hunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I bet you were paid to write that. wink

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Who exactly would be paying and why?

  17. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Caltex:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 … obama.html

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/0 … -carolina/

    These are just a few....  Every day my dad would receive more from my uncle... And this relation of mine is no idiot, per se.... He was a captain in the Army....he was a land surveyor and city planner for the state of New Jersey, and he helped build a Christian school...

    I even debated him online wia email, debunking his ridiculous claims and calling for him to do basic research before he passed on lunacy....

    Did he listen?

    No...

    He claimed that my "liberal" university education had warped my brain....  I was the brainwashed one....

    How pathetic and sad....

    Let's just say that I don't converse or exchange emails with this man any more...

    What is more sad is that he continues with this stupidity...and he has a lot of people on his email list who receive, and even support this tripe...

    But, Hubpages has these loons too...

    The Loveless Lady thinks Obama is a socialist (which is a buzzword for anti-American)...and if the birthers (another of the chain emails I received that I've hubbed about) hadn't already been totally debunked the likes of LL would probably still claim that Obama is not a naturally born American citizen..

    When I hear "conservatives" bring up these bogus points as reality (as Trump did most recently concerning Obama's birth certificate) it makes them all look like weak-minded, uninformed fools...

    And they want us to then trust them to run this nation?

    How about getting their heads out of their a$$e$ first....

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You don't communicate with your own uncle because of a difference of opinion on politics?

    2. Maembe profile image61
      Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's amazing how the far Right will just repeat the same ridiculous conspiracy theories over and over and just completely forget about all of the others that never came to pass.  Just last week Lady Love or someone else posted a chain email from like two years.

    3. caltex profile image60
      caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      mikelong, I have to admit I am a conservative.  I don't have anything to add to what you just posted as they have been discussed all over pointlessly.  I'll just leave it at that and respect your opinions. 
      I just brought up Huntley Brown's email only because you asked if anyone here was sent one of 'those emails'.  And I just thought I'd ask for you to point out if there were any lies and exaggerations in it.

      1. caltex profile image60
        caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You're uncle... "He was a captain in the Army....he was a land surveyor and city planner for the state of New Jersey, and he helped build a Christian school..."  Wow, he seems pretty respectable.

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          ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          SOMEbody has to be!

          1. caltex profile image60
            caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Can't agree with you more!  smile

      2. Maembe profile image61
        Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And there clearly were several lies and exaggerations.

        1. caltex profile image60
          caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Maembe,
          I did ask which lies and exaggerations on my original post and I have yet to find out what lies and exaggerations you are referring to.  How 'bout you point them out to me since you were courageous enough to say what you just said.
          And BTW, do you still bet the author is not black?  Or are you going to say you really do not care after all?  And you're too busy?  Apparently, you're not because you had time time to point out "CLEARLY there were several lies and exaggerations".  You seem to know and I hope you can enlighten me.

  18. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    I used to think so too....

    Not anymore...


    Short-story...

    No...I will not communicate with someone who is so dim...

    I have tried numerous times to reason with the man...but when I ask him questions and post sources, all he does is respond with a one liner and another chain email (along with an insult about my "liberal education")...  I consider discourse with him, at this point, to be a complete waste of time and energy...

    He is not related to me by blood....and I find it sad that this person is dragging my family into his web of brainlessness....

    Also Shortstory....it is one thing for a candidate to put out information for his or her campaign....  It is another for false information, outright lies, and inflammatory garbage to be passed around under the guise of truth....  Of course, what makes it worse is when the sources are hidden...

    I remember one such email, it was supposedly written by a "concerned housewife".....b.s.....  Another (which I wrote about concerning "birthing" praised the deranged Orly Taitz for her victory in court against Obama's foreignness....and told its readers to look forward to the upcoming trial....  Of course, the poor readers were not informed that Taitz and her tainted troupe had already been thrown out of court, and their case had been dismissed...

    And my poor, simple-minded, no research uncle has the nerve to pass this trash around.... (and the supportive responses he received in return were shocking)..

    Short Story...don't mix apples with automobiles....

    Back to Caltex:

    Yes...I used to give respect to those with rank in the military as well...but after my tour of service, I don't arbitrarily look to such status with any meaning...  There are a lot of idiots and worse in the armed forces..

    As for the email you posted..... By identifying the writer as "Christian" one then has to assume that Obama is the opposite....  This "outsider", "him vs. us", "real Christian" mentality is already greatly suspect...

    1. caltex profile image60
      caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "By identifying the writer as "Christian" one then has to assume that Obama is the opposite....  This "outsider", "him vs. us", "real Christian" mentality is already greatly suspect..."

      I don't know how you came to that conclusion.  I'll respect it just the same.

      BTW, you probably do not realize it - your name-calling only makes the opposite side even much better.

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So you cut someone out of your life because they don't agree with your political views, and you repeatedly and bitterly insult and demean them in their absence. Does that strike you as the behavior of a person of strong character and an open mind? Arrogance is not intelligence, and intellectual inbreeding creates as many defects as the physical type.  Young people sometimes go through this 'angry young man' phase, but hopefully in time you will see that empty, indulgent self-importance and spitefulness are not the qualities you want to be defined by.

      In other words, lighten up! You're not that important! Neither am I! Neither is he! Exchange ideas without letting it consume you.

  19. DannyMaio profile image60
    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago

    HERE I DO NOT NEED TO GET PAID THIS IS FOR FREE!!!

    Wed Mar 30, 11:27 am ET
    President Obama’s approval rating hits a new low
    By Holly Bailey

    After a brief resurgence earlier this year, President Obama's poll numbers are back in the dumps. A new Quinnipiac Poll released Wednesday finds Obama's approval rating at the lowest point in his presidency, thanks in part to voter angst over the economy and his handling of the situation in Libya.

    Just 42 percent of those polled approve of the job Obama is doing, compared to 48 percent who disapprove, according to Quinnipiac. And in a bad sign for his upcoming 2012 re-election campaign, 50 percent of those polled say he doesn't deserve another term in the White House.

    In January, Obama's approval rating was at 48 percent—the highest number it had been in more than a year, though still dramatically lower than his 59 percent approval rating recorded in June 2009.

    What's to blame for the president's slump? For one thing, 60 percent of voters disapprove of Obama's handling of the economy, while just 34 percent approve--the lowest number of his presidency.

    Meanwhile, Obama appears to have taken a hit over Libya. According to Quinnipiac, just 41 percent approve of Obama's handling of foreign policy—a new low. Asked specifically about Libya, 45 percent disapprove, even as voters are virtually split on whether intervening in the crisis was a good idea.

    The number that is sure to cause most concern for Obama's campaign advisers is where the president stands with independents, a voting bloc that was crucial to Obama's win in 2008 and stands to be pivotal again in 2012.

    While Democrats and Republicans are literally opposites when it comes to Obama-- 81 percent of GOPers disapprove, while 80 percent of Dems approve--indy voters have often been more split. But in recent months, the group has increasingly soured on Obama. According to Quinnipiac, 50 percent of independents now disapprove of the job Obama is doing.

    Another cause for concern is likely to be Obama's standing with women, another pivotal part of the president's coalition of support. The poll finds female voters literally split over Obama—44 percent approve, 44 percent disapprove. Meanwhile, Obama continues to struggle among men, who disapprove of Obama 52 percent to 41 percent.

    Interestingly, Obama is faring badly among every key voting demographic, except for voters aged 18 to 35, 47 percent of whom approve of Obama's job performance. But even that is a historically low number, which is not a good sign for Obama as he prepares to ramp up his 2012 campaign.

    (Photo of Obama: Manuel Balce Cenenta/AP)

  20. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    The writer of that piece is obviously trying to paint Obama as "not a real Christian"...

    This is quite clear...

    From the bipolar Christian perspective, if one is not on God's side, what side is he or she on?

    In other words, Obama then becomes a representative of Satan...

    How foolish..

    As for the name calling "benefitting" the other side...

    Not so...

    If I see someone on the street corner trying to convince people that Obama is not a citizen, and I then call the person an ignorant buffoon, that other person benefits not at all.... In fact, I might get more people to "grow cahones" and start calling the idiot out more...

    If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I sure will call it such.... 

    It is then up to intelligent people to figure out which viewpoint is correct...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      wow you have a warped mind. sorry but there are different kinds of christians and to hold the highest office in our country to go to a church that spews that white hate and anger for america"the chickens coming home to roost" I do not know about you but I do not think that I would want someone who went to a hateful church like that for 20 years and dedicate a book to him and then LIE and say he never heard him preach that stuff! maybe you are being mindscrewed by liberal professors if you can not see through that BS. One of my kids said that most of his Professors are Big left wing people, I do not think my son would lie about that. and by the way he went to Emerson college in Boston

    2. caltex profile image60
      caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "In other words, Obama then becomes a representative of Satan..."

      I just never saw Mr. Huntley's email that way.  And considering your response that you are aware that Christianity is diverse, it seems to me that you missed Mr. Huntley's real point.

  21. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    No....I cut him out of my life because he is poisonous.... He is more of a threat than a family member.. he serves no positive purpose in my life...

    As for demeaning him in absence.... I have spoken to him directly, and shared with him links to everything I have written...

    My response to him was so harsh because his responses to my questioning (which you do not see posted here) were harsh...

    "Do unto others".....and I like to be that force of retribution from time to time...

    If someone tries to treat me like an idiot, I will return the favor..

    I am not a Christian, hence the phrase "turn the other cheek" does not apply to me..

    My uncle is, supposedly, a Christian, however, which makes his comments towards me so much more easy to attack...

    The man deserves whatever he gets...

    Arrogance is not intelligence...I agree...

    And there are few more arrogant than this uncle of mine, Ms. Idiot Taitz and the Birther crowd, or many of the "conservative" caste, like Sarah Palin or Dick Cheney (to name a couple)....

    My words can be strong...but that does not mean that they are arrogant... 

    It is easy for someone like yourself to judge from the outside, with no knowledge base...

    But, that is a foolish flaw to follow....

    If you know me, then you can speak...  Until then, your opinions are pointless.. Come out here to Los Angeles and meet with me sometime, and then let us see what you think...

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Reread my post and try to get over yourself a little. You'll feel better, I promise.

      1. DannyMaio profile image60
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        seriously if he doesnt see why the person who wrote that has legitimate concerns and can not see that going to an anti-american white hating church for 20 years and dedicating a book to him and then LIES and says he never heard him speak this way, then what ever college that guy went to should get his money back! I do not think that post was about him being non-christian, it had many detailed explanations of his feelings and concerns. The church part was Anti- American not christian. maybe comprehension is his weak spot? very good post shortstory.

  22. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Short-Story.... I did...and I don't see your point..

    But don't let us continue down this useless path...

    When I point to the chain emails, did I misrepresent?  Do they not continue, and are they not false?

    Are there any from the Obama camp like this?

    Have "conservative" pundits pulled the "Taitz" and use inflammatory rhetoric to "pump up" the base?

    You may disagree with how I communicated my point, but cut to the chase....  Comment on the base content...

    As for Danny...

    I know perfectly well that Christianity is diverse...

    Where have I stated otherwise?

    But the man I speak of champions his particular Christianity as the "real deal"...while the other "Christianity claimants" are false..

    I came from that same background... My great-grandfather and grandfather led a church that believed that they carried the only "true" message...and that all the other "posers" were the spawn of Satan...

    And there are plenty of Christian sects that directly or indirectly brainwash their followers...

    I ran the "Bay to Breakers" run in the Bay Area last year...and the people with "Repent Now" signs, with blowhorns calling us sinners and "hell bound", and calling people "ungodly whores" was astounding...

    We get them on the UCLA campus too.....  They congregate by the gym and commons trying to tell us, sometimes through signs...sometimes through screaming rants, and sometimes through true displays of arrogance (trying to challenge the "non believers to defend themselves..such a cheap ploy)...

    I ran the L.A. Marathon a couple weeks back...and even during that run the Christian extremists came out with their signs and chants...  I call these types imperialists of the soul....

    But, I do know that many, if not most, do not fall into this category... 

    I have no issues with religion, and though I wave no flag myself I will fight for the right of a person to believe what they wish... 

    But when one starts pushing their view onto me...that is another issue altogether..

    As for the Reverand W... I have not listened much to him... 

    I will listen and read, and see what I think...

    And, perhaps, if I decide to pose some questions concerning things he said, you will participate in the discussion...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      that was a very nice post and I commend you for that! yes both sides spew nonsense, yes a lot of fake or half truth things come out on both sides. when you said you have not heard reverend wright that was surprising to me. I really hope you watch some of his sermons on youtube and get back to me I'm curious what you truly think after watching that and knowing our commander and chief went there for 20 years and dedicated one of his books to him and then denied he heard him speak this way. I'm a registered democrat and wanted Hillary especially after what bush did with Iraq. I blasted Bush because we had no right to go there they had no part of 9/11
      I always voted who I thought would be best for us most of the time it was Democratic. I did vote for reagan and thought he did a decent job especially in foreign affairs. I'm sorry Obama is a disgrace to this country as a president. he bows before muslim leaders! they are suppose to bow to him! we are the United States! to me that just showed either weakness or him bowing to a religious leader because he does know the Muslim religion he was raised Muslim in Indonesia. I do not know which one it is but neither are good for the President of the United States. Read his books and I know you would see why he does what he does, I think he is probably a really nice guy but not for president!

  23. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Danny...

    Can you rephrase what you wrote concerning the "Muslim religion"....1) are you trying to pass off Islam as a monolithic whole?  2) did you just try to say that Obama is a Muslim?

    Are we really going down that road?

    If the answers to these questions are "yes", I then wish to hear from the "conservatives" here on hubpages concerning this disturbed aspect of their base...

    If the answers are "no", then I am curious to find out what you actually meant...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Mike it is known that Obama was registered in an Indonesian school and was listed as religion Islam so he know about this religion, That is No secret as he writes about it in his book. so I stated that when Obama met the religious Muslim leader he Bowed to him, so it could either mean that he respects the leader or he showed weakness as a United States President. so either way is not good for a United States President to do. Also his father is Muslim. and I'm not a republican.
      Islam
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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        Islam (Arabic: الإسلام‎ al-’islām, pronounced [ʔɪsˈlæːm]  ( listen)[note 1]) is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله‎, Allah), and the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah composed of Hadith) of Muhammad, often considered as the last Prophet of Islam. In addition to referring to the religion itself, the word Islam means 'submission to God'[1], 'peace', and 'way to peace'.[2] An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim.

      Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable.[3] Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through the prophets Abraham, Moses and Jesus.[4] Muslims maintain that previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time,[5] but consider the Qur'an to be both unaltered and the final revelation from God. Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, encompassing everything from banking and welfare, to warfare and the environment.[6][7]

      Most Muslims belong to one of two denominations; with 80-90% being Sunni and 10-20% being Shia.[8][9][10] About 13% of Muslims live in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country,[11] 25% in South Asia,[11] 20% in the Middle East,[12] 2% in Central Asia, 4% in the remaining South East Asian countries, and 15% in Sub-saharan Africa.[13] Sizable communities are also found in China and Russia, and parts of the Caribbean. Converts and immigrant communities are found in almost every part of the world. With about 1.41-1.57 billion Muslims, comprising about 21-23% of the world's population (see Islam by country),[13][14] Islam is the second-largest religion and one of the fastest-growing religions in the world.[15][16][17][18][19]

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        ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        If he really were a Muslim (he's not) he shouldn't have been bowing to a Muslim leader.

        1. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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            ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Looked like a bow to me. I guess he's not a Muslim then.

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              curious why if he was a muslim that he should not have?

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                ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Muslims bow to no one but God.






                Of course Muslims are not supposed to drink alcohol or eat pork, etc. too and many do so there's more similarity  among the Abrahamic faiths in terms of 'should do' and 'do'.

                1. Druid Dude profile image60
                  Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Nobody has to pay them...they do it out of pure JOY!

    2. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I clearly said that Obama was raised in Indonesia and listed as Religion Islam, so he know about the Muslim religion, his father was also Muslim. I stated that Obama Bowed before a religious leader and that either one or two reasons for him to do this, first is out of respect for the Muslim religion or out of weakness, either way this is not what you expect from the leader of the most powerful country in the world! to answer your question about Islam below is the wikipedia definition.

      Islam
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Page semi-protected
      The Kaaba, in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, is the center of Islam. Muslims from all over the world gather there to pray in unity.
      This article is part of the series:
      Allah-eser-green.png
      Islam
      Beliefs
      Allah · Oneness of God
      Prophets · Revealed books
      Angels
      Practices
      Profession of faith · Prayer
      Fasting · Charity · Pilgrimage
      Texts and laws
      Qur'an · Sunnah · Hadith
      Fiqh · Sharia · Kalam · Sufism
      History and leadership
      Timeline · Spread of Islam
      Ahl al-Bayt · Sahaba
      Sunni · Shi'a  · Others
      Rashidun · Caliphate
      Imamate
      Culture and society
      Academics · Animals · Art
      Calendar · Children
      Demographics · Festivals
      Mosques · Philosophy
      Science · Women
      Politics · Dawah
      Islam and other
      religions
      Christianity · Judaism
      Hinduism · Sikhism · Jainism · Mormonism
      See also
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      Islam (Arabic: الإسلام‎ al-’islām, pronounced [ʔɪsˈlæːm]  ( listen)[note 1]) is the monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur’an, a text considered by its adherents to be the verbatim word of God (Arabic: الله‎, Allah), and the teachings and normative example (called the Sunnah composed of Hadith) of Muhammad, often considered as the last Prophet of Islam. In addition to referring to the religion itself, the word Islam means 'submission to God'[1], 'peace', and 'way to peace'.[2] An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim.

      Muslims believe that God is one and incomparable.[3] Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that was revealed at many times and places before, including through the prophets Abraham, Moses and Jesus.[4] Muslims maintain that previous messages and revelations have been partially changed or corrupted over time,[5] but consider the Qur'an to be both unaltered and the final revelation from God. Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, encompassing everything from banking and welfare, to warfare and the environment.[6][7]

      Most Muslims belong to one of two denominations; with 80-90% being Sunni and 10-20% being Shia.[8][9][10] About 13% of Muslims live in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country,[11] 25% in South Asia,[11] 20% in the Middle East,[12] 2% in Central Asia, 4% in the remaining South East Asian countries, and 15% in Sub-saharan Africa.[13] Sizable communities are also found in China and Russia, and parts of the Caribbean. Converts and immigrant communities are found in almost every part of the world. With about 1.41-1.57 billion Muslims, comprising about 21-23% of the world's population (see Islam by country),[13][14] Islam is the second-largest religion and one of the fastest-growing religions in the world.[15][16][17][18][19]

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm astounded  that you think that the President of the US should put himself above all others!

        I'm just speechless!

        Pure arrogance.

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          cccfreeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          yeah it's pretty bad.

        2. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          that is the difference between the USA and other countries. When you are the leader of the most powerful country you do not bow in submission, respect should be mutual! I knew you were weak John this just proves even more about you.

          1. Maembe profile image61
            Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            One should respect the customs of others.  Humility is not a sign of weakness.

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              who said humility is a sign of weakness? get with the program son! I do not know if you live here in the states but I like to believe we are the SUPER POWER and it is something you should take pride in if you are from this great country. look for Libya the brits and french and other nato partners need us because we are the leaders! they could not do what we do as good as we do it! the french have enough to last for 2-3 weeks and they are done, brits not much more. We are the LEADERS.

              1. Maembe profile image61
                Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You clearly implied that humility is a sign of weakness again with this post.

                Also, I am proud of many of the accomplishments of our country.  We were the original anti-colonial superpower.  Although you seem to dislike the very foundation of our country, I am very proud of what our anti-colonial efforts allowed us, and the rest of the world, to accomplish.

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Bowing is not an indication of "submission." It is a courtesy, no more. I do agree that somebody shoujld have briefed the president on the custom and it would have been preferable for him to have followed it. However, no big deal. I wonder why we're wasting our time on such insignificant issues??

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              bowing is a sign of submission. respect is mutual ralph. if they mutually shook hands, hugged, even kissed on the cheek that is mutual. It shows either a sign of weakness or his respect for a Muslim Leader. either way not good. and if it wasn't wrong why did Gibbs try and spin it and Lie about it? This is the highest office in our country and it is embarrassing. maybe it is no big deal to you but it is to me. I guess when our presidents make mistakes we should say what is the big deal like Bush going into Iraq, what is the big deal? NO he was wrong for going there and invading that country, they had nothing to do with 9/11. this is just one of Obama's blunders. Ralph is it OK for him to go to a Anti-American Church for 20 years spewing hatred for America and dedicate a book to his reverend and then deny it? I want to hear that is not a big deal either that the President of the USA should sit in a seat in a church for 20 years saying the chickens are coming home to roost! that is why he apologizes to everyone for America. we are the strongest country and believe it or not if we were not who we are a lot more atrocities what be happening because many are afraid of us!

          3. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Who say's that he was bowing in submission?

            When you are the leader of the most powerful country you can afford to be magnanimous and not prance around like some little tin pot dictator demanding respect off every body else.

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              ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              He had no idea what to do and was just making it up as he went along.




              Like all of his foreign policy actions.

            2. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              please you have no clue! your from Brittan. here in the states we are the super power! and you have to have PRIDE in America I didnt say he should expect for everyone to bow to him, but he certainly should not be bowing to anyone! again respect is MUTUAL

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                ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Part of the problem is that, as with most of his misguided efforts at bending over - backwards or forwards - to 'humble' America, he did so from the wrong motivation and with no idea of how to do it.

                There is a classic picture of him bowing to the Emperor of Japan where he is just about doubled over to where he could untie his shoes with his teeth and the Emperor has this look on his face like, "What the F is this guy doing?"

        3. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          John how come he did not bow to your queen????

          1. caltex profile image60
            caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            @John Holden - if it were just a regular Joe we were talking about, I will agree it is pure arrogance.  Absolutely!  In this case, however, we are talking about a 'head of state', supposedly the most powerful, that is why a lot of heads turned when this happened.

            @Maembe - yup, humility is definitely not a sign of weakness, but that is not the point here.  Just like DM pointed out, where's the bow for the Queen if that was really the point?  If the bowing were consistent, your argument would have been more plausible.
            BTW, what about the bet you mentioned earlier about the author not being black?  You still on it?  smile)

            1. Maembe profile image61
              Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              My argument was about customs.  If it isn't customary for the president to bow to the queen, he shouldn't bow to the queen.

              1. DannyMaio profile image60
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                it is not customary to bow to a Muslim leader being the leader of the USA, has never been done before! so where is your argument? and the white house tried to deny it! keep drinking the Obama koolaide

                1. caltex profile image60
                  caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  DM, I just posted the same thing you said without even seeing your post!  smile

              2. caltex profile image60
                caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Maembe, I better let you in on this info if you are a stickler for customs:
                It is not customary for a president to bow to the king.  As a matter of fact, Robert Gibbs who was then the WH Press Secretary, had to deny that it was actually a bow when the press asked him about it.  Just so you would know, too, 'the bow' was actually said to be a violation of tradition and protocol, hence, the denial.

                1. Maembe profile image61
                  Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  In that case, he should not have bowed then.  Although unless I'm mistaken, it was a bow-handshake thing and that was the problem.  Etiher way I don't care.  I'm too busy being concerned about actual issues.

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            ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            He didn't bow to Elton John?

  24. IzzyM profile image85
    IzzyMposted 5 years ago

    I usually ignore the political threads, but I'm commenting on this one only to say that I now see that the other thread talking about paid posters was only a continuation of this one.

    Whether we have paid posters or not does not interest me in the slightest, what concerns me is having people using this forum for their own political ends instead of writing hubs.

    Then again, I suppose nothing is stopping them posting, if they are having fun smile

  25. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    To begin with, let us debunk the bowing b.s.

    Nixon bowed to the Chinese premier when they first met....bowing has always been a custom between dignitaries...

    Our presidents kiss and hold hands with the male leaders of Saudi Arabia...there's some great pics of dear old Bush looking like a cheap date...

    There are those who believe that we shouldn't bow because somehow we must project superiority wherever we go...

    What, no bowing because we are 26th in the world in education? 

    Because Cuba ranks higher in terms of healthcare provided when compared to the United States? (those darn communists....or myself according to the dear Lady)

    In my opinion, anyone who talks against the "bowing" is an ignoramous...both because of the held idea and because one wastes time and energy on such drivel...

    If you fall into this category...don't dispair...you can change...

    But for my purpose for writing this statement.....

    Those who call themselves "conservatives" here on Hubpages...It appears that Danny is one of the deluded who cloud your electorate base...

    Do you set him straight, or are you afraid to point out that he is mistaken?

    1) Do you believe that our President is a Muslim?

    2) Do you see Islam as a monolithic whole?

    3) Is the religion of Islam a threat to the United States?

    4) If the President was to be a Muslim, should that invalidate his Presidency?  Do we discriminate against religion and deny him the office he clearly won?  (as opposed to a certain Bush election preceding massive tax cuts and two unfunded wars)

    1. caltex profile image60
      caltexposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      mikelong, I have to say you probably will have a better argument if you quit on the personal attacks. 
      Just imagine your post minus your name-calling and your personal attacks - it will be a lot more respectable and worthy of discussion.

    2. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      obviously mike you do not read very well, I told you I'm a registered democrat! second It would not matter if he was Muslim but be honest about it!
      your boy Obama is a blatant LIAR! did you watch the reverend Wright sermons???? I bet you have but have not come up with anything intelligent to say to get out of that one! Again YES this is the GREAT USA and we our LEADER is suppose to show STRENGTH. a hug, handshake even a mutual kiss is fine but you do not show submissive behavior! I'm sorry if I have my dignity and sense then you and Think highly of our great Country. Like I said and again read his books he was brought up as a MUSLIM in INDONESIA! your president said it in his book! your a strong left wing progressive and I see why your Uncle was hard on you, when someone doesn't think like you, you just use personal attacks. your Uncle was probably frustrated with your foolish mindset as everything you say isn't 100%. right away you assume I'm a conservative and I stated I wasn't a few times and even told you I voted for Hillary in the primary and Hate Bush for Iraq but those go right over your far left Nancy pelosi harry Reid thinking head. I'm a real Democrat not a far left socialist trying to change this great country. also please explain why every state that the democratic party runs these days are bankrupt or going bankrupt and the conservative states are doing much better? these are facts and My party was infiltrated by socialist who want to take down this great country! we do not apologize to anyone! if you do not like what this country is about then move to Cuba and get that great healthcare you believe they have! all I know is when rich people from other countries are very sick they come here to get medical help not CUBA! that just shows your warped perception of our great country.you wouldn't last a month in CUBA!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Rich people from here get great medical care here too, Danny.  But we are not all rich here.  Of course, you know YOU can always choose to leave this country too, and not have to put up with all of the socialists you claim want to bring the country down. 

        Have you ever actually heard an admitted socialist say "Hey, what can we do next to bring our hated country down?"  Do you disagree with all "socialist" programs?  You know, our public school systems, social security, etc.?   smile

        1. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I believe in helping people that actually need it! also social security comes out of your pay so to say it is totally free is nonsense! do we need healthcare reform, yes. This is not what this country was founded on and I'm not the one trying to change it! try twisting another way. and regardless what you say we do get get healthcare here, I was just saying if our healthcare was that bad why does everyone come here for medical services? please do not take things out of context. and last yes just like a thief will tell you ...hey tomorrow when your at work I'm going to rob your home. please you have to be smarter than that my friend

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No, social security doesn't always come out of one's pay, Danny!  Sometimes the one drawing the check never paid anything in, such as in a wife drawing on her deceased husband, or a person drawing more than paid in.  Irregardless, it is a social program.  You didn't mention the school system, I noticed.

            What was this country founded on, Danny?  You keep claiming you read a lot and encourage others to do more reading, so which great programs did the most for this country?  Slavery? Children working in factories?  The Chinese coolies building the railroads?  Americans wiping out 3/4 of the native Americans and taking their land?  This country was founded on greed, nothing less.  Now, tell me what YOU read about!

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              oh please with your socialist nonsense! like i said I believe in helping people, but people who actually need it! and the husband has been putting in and most times for years and that was a long time ago and many woman work today! how convenient to leave that out. It actually isn't something for absolute nothing. as for schools Yes but again a lot of people pay for this also through taxes, My taxes here in NY are 11,400 a year and about 4600 go to school taxes. I'm all for helping the needy but many are lazy and looking for handouts. this country was based on CAPITALISM and grew and became the greatest because of this! anybody who strives hard enough can make whatever they want if they truly have the desire! and you socialist want to penalize these people who risked their money and time because you think it is not fair! that is not what this country was founded on.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Which socialist nonsense?  And those capitalists who imported slaves to do their work for them?  Or hired children to work long hours in the factories?  These are the CAPITALISTS who founded this country, Danny Boy. 

                It sounds really good with the Mom and apple pie myths to back up your claims, but really, you need to do a little more reading about how this country was REALLY founded.  If your ancestors were slaves in a cotton field you might have a different viewpoint.

                1. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  wow another anti-American. I'm of Italian decent and we were abused when we first came here, the Irish was abused the Spanish etc... please that was a longtime ago get over it! as for the slaves who sold them??? do you know history? should the Jews who were slaughtered by the Germans by the millions should feel something is owed to them? no more child labor here we moved on. why don't you go to china they still have child labor, or most middle eastern countries are killing and stoning people! or the African nations causing genocide, would you rather live there? you people are never grateful.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Anti-American?  Anyone who doesn't think like you is anti-American?  lol 

                    And what difference does it make WHO sold the slaves to Americans to treat as they chose?  Does this make slavery right?  As long as someone else caught and sold them it wasn't wrong? 

                    And where did you read most Middle Eastern countries are stoning people, Danny?  And I think you've got it backwards.  You are the one taking up for the slavers and child labor protagonists, so YOU would be better off going to those countries YOU say are so bad.

                    Unfortunately for you, my vote counts as much as yours, Danny.  I know you don't like it, but too bad.  Get over it!  But feel free to go somewhere you can find others of your mindset.  Just don't pretend you know what's best for everyone else.  Those who owned the slaves thought the same.  lol

  26. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Caltex,

    I understand your sentiment..

    I have dealt with too many "Texans" (remember him?), Sab Oh's, and Ladys, among others who's avatars escape me, to hold back..

    From my experiences here on Hubpages....those I am directing my energy towards don't listen to valid argumenation... If one looks into the history of my posts, I think you'll find that I have evolved, or perhaps in your mind, devolved into this..

    The ideas are valid, and worthy of discussion...if one gets offended by "ignoramus" then they need to figure out why that would be..  Perhaps that will generate some kind of energy to do some research on their part...

    Towards Danny...

    And I am a registered Republican...  There are "conservative" Democrats, but there aren't any Republicans who really drift in the other direction...

    You can believe what you wish about Obama and blatant lying...but 1) to try to portray Muslims as threats to this nation is bigoted and nonsensical..to group Muslims as a whole is ridiculous..  2) To continue to drabble about the need for the President to display dominance wherever he goes is misguided... This is not a personal attack...it is simply calling it what it is...

    3)I don't think you've read his book...and while I admit that I have not, I would wager a tidy sum that you are flat wrong....which then makes me think about your "blatant liar" statement and wonder if you don't suffer from a case of projection..

    4) My President?  He's the President of the entire nation...to infer otherwise is unadviseable.. If you are trying to deepen the American divide then may the ill-results of that Pandora's Box fall on you more than those of us who wish otherwise...

    5)Even if Obama is a Muslim....there is no law or precident that could exclude him because of religion.. If you think otherwise I think you need some serious lessons concerning the Constitution...

    Why are states in trouble?

    Do you wish to discuss the effects of globalization?  Are you ready to discuss the exacerbated transnational movement of money and goods, and the inequality that is discussed in Citigroup's memo:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6674234/Citig … ort-Part-1

    Danny, your "if you don't like America then leave it" nonsense is classic nonsense...

    You have shown that you know little of the country you are trying to "defend" in this forum...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Mike I know nothing but your willing to wager a tidy bit on something you admit you have not read? an I'm ignorant? that is the funniest thing I ever heard. go read the books before you spout your nonsense! I still have not heard you mention reverend Wright yet???? I know only you can comprehend everything, anybody else has a different view and they are wrong! I would hate to have known you before you evolved! I believe we are the supreme country and our Commander and Chief should act like one and not a wimp! like i stated but you obviously conveniently missed I said a handshake, hug or mutual Kiss is fine but not a BOW! if you want your president to be a wimp your in the wrong country! as far as if he is Muslim I again stated it really would not matter but be HONEST about it! you seriously have comprehension issues, please read my posts again and take off your far left BS. oh and was your president Bush and you stood by him when he was president? I would bet a tidy bit you did not!
      as far as states go on the entire country, again and please read a few times so you do not misquote me again, I said why are states that are run by democrats in much more financial trouble than states that are predominately republican? could it be they do not tax to death? we as a country have trouble because many companies are leaving because we tax them to death and in order to make a profit they relocate! if they do stay in the states they move to Texas etc... where it is more business tax friendly. say this is not true and I will put you on the phone with my brother who moved to Texas for that reason! NY was just too expensive and taxing eating up everything. I did not give you any nonsense to research and look up I said read his books and watch Wrights sermons which is him in his own words spewing white hatred and anti-American thoughts! if this is not a valid argument then your the one who has the real issues.

  27. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Wow... Troubled...I think that is what you are...

    I will research Mr. Wright in good time...  But, I think that you have a lot of reading to do yourself...on so many fronts..

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      ditto for you my friend

  28. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Delusional Danny....

    What else can be said...

    I'm wondering, what is with the Aztec calendar for your avatar?

    Out of curiosity....


    Danny, I really feel for you....  With views like yours, it makes sense that you seem so perturbed...

    I don't know what your background is, but it is clear that you don't know a lot about international relations....

    Your ongoing need to see Americans "dominate" others is childish, foolish, and completely egotistical...

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Was there any point to that post other than to personally insult him?

    2. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      your the delusional one, once again attack when you have no clear proof! I see you have so much time but still refuse to answer the logical question about reverend Wright and his Anti-American Church that you savior went to for 20 years! you will avoid the truth because it does not make your case look good! I actually feel for you that you have to attack when you have nothing solid to go on except some fools making up some stuff over the internet. most are true though but you have your socialist views from your Liberal professors that brain washed you as your uncle said! I did not say I want us to dominate everyone, I said I do not want THE PRESIDENT of the USA to BOW to anyone, once again you put your Socialist spin on things that were not said because it does not fit. as for the Aztec sign I did a hub on 2012 with the Aztecs and used that calendar. I did not want to have a silhouette and just used that until I upload a pic. is that sufficient enough for you? my background is of Italian decent parents came here legally from Italy and worked very hard. I have 4 kids all college age and above and I'm 45. I have a lot of experience in International affairs as My business works mainly with Europe and Asia. I have had a few business's and grew because of this great country and the opportunity it gives everyone, one just has to be motivated to get what they want and not look for handouts. I totally believe in helping people but not making them rely on the Government! lazy people  that are capable of working deserve NOTHING! Sorry I think your Uncle was right about you! and whatever school you went to I would ask for my money back they did not do a good job!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The same can be said for those who educated you.  I hope your parents were decent!  LOL!  Or did you mean descent?  I certainly hope you don't have to correspond by mail to many business people in your line of work.  lol

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Who cares what ignorant preachers say in church?  I went to church for years and found out most preachers are dumb as a post!  I didn't let them affect my life and I hope Obama didn't either.  I suppose you agree with everything your present or past religious spokesmen have said?  Get off of this stupid Rev Wright thing. It's a dead end for gaining you any credibility!  Not that you have a chance of obtaining any at this point.  lol

        1. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          now lets just look at what you wrote, I hope Obama didn't either. so you are not sure? why? because he dedicated a book to him after sitting in the pews for 20 years? This is an Anti-American thinking church! would you dedicate a book to your pastor after you call them dumb?? so your Obama dedicated a book to a ignorant preacher and this does not show anything to you? and you question my ability to correspond to business associates? I do very well you should be so lucky. but I would not expect anything different from socialist who have there hands out looking for the government cheese.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Who have "there" hands out?  Goodness man, I suppose those you communicate with do not care about your ability to use proper spelling and grammar.  Rant on, on one cares dude!  lol

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              funny how you now judge proper spelling and grammar but make a mistake yourself! on one cares dude! good one

              1. Maembe profile image61
                Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                There's nothing wrong with grammatical mistakes.  Your posts on the other hand, are often borderline unreadable.  You obviously are in need of liberal college instructor to brainwash you with his or her grammatical knowledge and writing skills.

                1. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  thank you, when you socialist are beat clearly attack!  Is that suppose to hurt my feelings? Does it make you feel special now? nothing Intelligent to say so distract and attack. How about you going to a psychiatrist to clear your brain from the over-load of Kool-Aide

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          ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You went to church for years, but if you heard things there that were down right offensive to you would you have continued to attend?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Sure I would if I were running for political office.  It is a requirement to act religious in this "God founded country' if one is to be elected.

            I've been to few churches which don't have their own religious nuts preaching there.  They are all cut from the same cloth, IMHO!

            Even the criminal Bush went to church, didn't he?

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              ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If you were running for political office that would be a compelling reason NOT to sit there soaking up hateful venom from some charlatan, as obama's issues suggest.

              And, what 'crime' are you referring to in that childishly gratuitous comment at the end of your post?

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                What crime? Are you kidding? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld all have to watch their step when traveling abroad lest they be arrested for various crimes including violating the Geneva Convention against torture, among others. Bush also arguably committed crimes against Americans by authorizing violations of FISA's prohibition against spying on citizens.

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                  ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  He committed no crime in regards to any of the above mentioned. Thousands upon thousands of legal experts far more learned than you or I have not been able to prove any such 'crime' in any serious way despite similar partisan political motives and the fact that successful prosecution would make them instantly and wildly rich and influential. They can't. You can't. Some silly europeans will play make-pretend over it, but nothing will come of their self-indulgent posturing and you know it.

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No, I don't know it. Some of the greatest legal scholars have said that Bush violated the Geneva Convention by authorizing waterboarding. Bush admitted in his book that he authorized waterboarding on the advice of a couple of third rate lawyers in
                    Cheney's office and John Yoo. Yoo's memos on waterboarding were manifestly deficient.

          2. DannyMaio profile image60
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Shortstory, God can you believe that answer?" sure I would if I were running for political office"! wow we are In deep shit! if we have crazy people like this, God truly help us and I'm not that religious.

  29. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Was there any point in your response?  Did I address my post to you, Short Story?

    Are you Danny's defender now?

    He's a big boy, and if he wishes to spout such nonsense he needs to be able to stand up to scrutiny..

    If one can't stand the heat in the kitchen....perhaps one shouldn't try to be a cook...

    As for insults....Danny's ideas are completely insulting...to Americans, to people from other nations, and to those who have any sort of intelligence at all...

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So, because you find his "ideas" insulting that gives you the justification to personally insult him? Do you take this approach with everyone you disagree with, or just him and your 'Uncle'?

  30. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Short Story...I am sure Danny will commend you for his defense....for he appears incapable of mounting a real one of his own...

    His ideas are insulting, and I don't understand the quotation marks around your use of this word...

    Danny's words are insulting...he is running around calling people "unAmerican"...and such..

    Why do you not counsel him?

    Why do you only seem to focus on "insults" when they come from one direction, but not the other?

    At least show that you are realistic....if you come after me, also go after Danny...

    If this isn't the case, however, and you do more to shelter than to assist this person, then your own flaws are here on display...

    To call the need for Americans to display dominance as childish, foolish, and egotistical is not an insult...it is fact...

    That wasn't a slur against Danny, per se, but towards anyone who suffers from this national superiority complex syndrome..

    Do you not agree?  Or are Americans just the biggest and the baddest and the best of the whole world, and all others need to prostrate themselves before us?

    I don't know how many here have travelled internationally, but many Americans go abroad and carry this nonsensical elitism with them...and this is why Americans find themselves mocked so much...

    If you are unfamiliar with the mockery....travel, you will see it...

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So, his opinions are "insulting" but yours are "fact"? Is that it? You want to give that one a little more thought.

      You say your insults were not "a slur against Danny, per se" yet you directed them at him very clearly and specifically. So, we know that bit of backtracking is untrue.

      Finally, do you honestly have no idea how ridiculously arrogant and self-important statements like "I don't know how many here have travelled internationally" sound, implying as it does "well I have, you ignorant rubes!"?

      Gotta tame that ego man, it's doing you no good.

  31. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    There he goes with his insults again... Short Story...are you going to set him straight?  Are you going to question the insults that Danny throws....or are you just a partisan critic?

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Are you seriously defending your own actions with "But, but he's doing it too!"? Are you really going there? Come on now, you know better than that.

  32. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Are you simply going to continue with your one-sided remarks?

    How petty and ridiculous you are....just like what you showed in the "Ebonics 101" thread...

    Really?

    No words of advice for Danny?

    How ridiculous...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      LMAO, I pose real answers and questions and you try and think your way is the mighty way and I'm delusional? Son I travel way more than you to other countries as I stated for business! you are a little whipper snapper that your uncle tried to open his eyes most things you accused me of were totally false you took them out of context. I clearly said I do not think the president of the USA should bow to anyone, I did not say I want us to dominate everyone! you see what you want which is delusional. Again answer the question in a normal sensible way about Reverend Wright and if you agree with his views and think that the president of the USA should have been attending a church like that for 20 years and dedicate a book to him and then deny he heard him speak like that! if that is not an intelligent question and deserve a normal answer you better demand the money your parents spent on your education because you are brainwashed young man. again your smart uncle was right!!!

      1. Maembe profile image61
        Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Get Off My Lawn!

        1. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          YEAH another bright one! good come back! what a joke. never can answer real questions! you do not deserve the lawn! you people want everything handed to you!

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "How petty and ridiculous you are" - another personal insult.

  33. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    So, Short Story, are you saying that 1) you have travelled abroad, and 2) you have not seen this elitism that I mentioned? If you are offended by my words regarding international travel, then that is your own problem...

    Or do you just continue to avoid direct questioning...

    Again...continue defending Danny...and standing idly by as he continues in his obviously misguided rants...

    Evidently you two have something in common...

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think the point of my post was made quite clearly. Why are you avoiding my question and asking these?

  34. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Good, Danny....

    I believe you....

    Keep ranting about the need for the President to display all powerful strength "because we are the superpower" (as you put it) and "the president is a Muslim".and those of us who know better will just keep shaking our heads...except for a certain few who are more bent on protecting your views than showing your flaws...

    On a side note, as I asked you before, what is the relevance of the Aztec calendar? This is not an insult, just a curiosity..

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      you obviously do not comprehend well! I clearly wrote it if you actually opened your socialist liberal teaching eyes you would see it! again I never said I want the President to display all powerful strength I said I do not want the president of the USA to bow to anyone! you see what your clouted delusional head sees. I never said Obama was a Muslim you are the delusional one who said that because you can not comprehend the English language and again you should demand your money back! also you just conveniently leave out the reverend Wright issue I brought up and clearly refuse to answer in an intelligent manner but I'm delusional. I also guess after the last ass-whipping the democratic party took was delusional also, they were filibuster proof and now almost the other way around. ah and yes I'm delusional. since the last election Mr. Obama has made other numerous mistakes and making things harder for them. Please ask for your money back if you can not answer any of my questions and you just rant and think your the ole mighty right one, please do not respond back.

  35. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Delusional Danny...

    As I have said before, the Democratic party is not some monolithic whole....  There are conservative Democrats who side with Republicans...but the opposite is harder to find..

    You claim to be a Democrat yourself...and you prove my point.. Just imagine if your Democrat self was in the Congress....who would you have sided with?  Was there ever such a reality as a filibuster proof majority?  No......

    Why you can't see this, I don't know...  It makes me doubt your claim to be a Democrat, however...

    What you want from a President has little bearing on reality, and shows naivity on your part regarding international relations...

    Don't respond back?  Now you're going to order me around?  You are revoking my right to speak?

    This shows a great deal about your flawed character...

    "Oh no...personal insults"

    You insult yourself and are too blinded to see it...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      just look how you never answer one of my questions and change what i did say! I'm a democrat and now you even want to say I'm not and I'm blinded? GOD you are brainwashed. I never said you weren't allowed to speak and ordering you around. I said do not respond to me! see to me is the key word that you do not comprehend. you are the flawed character my friend, I would never regardless if My uncle was right or wrong do what you did! your a sorry excuse of a person. keep insulting and not answering questions and refute real logic and spew your liberal professors views that you do not have a mind of your own! also your right we real democrats have been siding with the republicans because of your irresponsible ways and socialistic agenda! that is why most democrats lost in the last election. wait you will see what happens in 2012! still avoiding the reverend Wright issue and I'm really surprised that you claim to be so intelligent that you did not watch the news and see this and make a logical determination with your own brain instead of taking your liberal professors views and word for it? strange but I'm the delusional one.. your a joke read your rants without any real"meat and potatoes" seriously get your money back! that school gave you the shaft

  36. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Now you're going to teach me family values?

    You have no idea what has transpired between myself and my uncle..

    You can keep your Dr. Phil moments to yourself...

    At least I have a degree in psychology...I can't speak for your own educational background...

    As for the dear Reverand...I will get around to him... 

    But, I have answered you continuously over your baseless statements about Obama's "Muslim"ness...

    I have spoken towards your obvious fear and bigotry towards Muslims as a whole,

    And I have repeatedly shown that your "America the all powerful..bow before me" logic is severely flawed...

    But you continue you rants without batting an eye...which says a lot...

    If you cannot see how I have answered to you on all of these points you need some serious help...

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      again your putting words in my mouth I continually stated many times but I guess your Liberal professors passed you because you were an easy target that you can not see I never said that. You have no refutable responses so you keep insisting I said things I didn't just to make you feel better. I have no fear over Muslims I have Neighbors and friends and even business associates I deal with that are Muslim, Where did I say this? I never said everyone should bow before our president. you said that I clearly stated and we can not change what we wrote here and it clearly states many times that I do not want our President to bow to anyone! again just in case for the 12th time you do not get it RESPECT IS MUTUAL!!! what part of that is so hard to comprehend? all you do is rant and never answer questions legitimately. why in do time will you answer the reverend Wright question? I guarantee you if you knew 1000% that you could refute it you would have! of course my questions are baseless but your liberal professors views are not...of course not! you make me laugh please go back and read every post from both of us and you will clearly see how delusional you are! and show me how you answered mine, all you did was say mine was baseless without any proven facts. maybe you can give these questions to your liberal professor to answer and get back to me...is that what your trying to do with the simple question of the reverend Wright? you do not have a brain on your own? keep twisting peoples words when you do not have an educated logical answer or just attack them for not seeing things your way. I'm so happy someone like you may teach more kids with your degree in psychology!

  37. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Danny....

    I do not have to look at Reverand Wright when you tell me to...

    As I said...when I post about what I find, I encourage you to participate in the conversation...

    I love the continued use of "liberal universities/professors" etc that is used...

    1) It assumes that I only get my information from direct schooling....which is a very careless and flawed thing to do...

    I derive my insights from diverse sources...the few years I have spent at university provide only a portion of my perspective...

    2) "Liberal education" is used as a slur, instead of representing what it actually is..

    Education is a pretty liberal thing...especially for the multitude of us poor folk who lacked the familial wealth and connections to be among those who are "traditionally" educated...

    Public education is quite a liberal thing.....and this nation has benefitted tremendously from it..

    Danny...you try to call against my "insults", but it is you who ceaselessly call hubbers who disagree with you "anti-Americans" and worse (as if there could truly be something worse than a traitor)...

    Stop using words like "liberal" as a slur, bastardizing its true meaning... Stop attacking others as being not really equal members of this nation, and perhaps people like me won't respond with force...

  38. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    To which question are you referring?

    Are you denying that there is a track record of Americans who behave like "holier than thous" when they travel abroad?

    Are you saying that many Americans don't suffer from a superiority complex?

    1. DannyMaio profile image60
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      who cares about how others act? why are you constantly changing the subject? we are talking about the Commander and Chief! not the average joe. who cares about what other people do and how they act over seas. sure many people suffer from superiority complex but we are not talking about anyone other than the president. stay focused. seriously you really have a hard time comprehending sentences.

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "To which question are you referring?"


      This one: Do you honestly have no idea how ridiculously arrogant and self-important statements like "I don't know how many here have travelled internationally" sound, implying as it does "well I have, you ignorant rubes!"?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Why didn't you answer his question?  smile

        1. lady_love158 profile image59
          lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You lefties always with your demands for answers... but you never answer questions yourself just distract and change the subject! Someone must be paying you!

          1. DTR0005 profile image86
            DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Got in a little late in the game didn't you, Lady... well better late than never
            !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm looking forward to doing just that as soon as he answers mine. After all, I asked first.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah....right!  smile  Cause that's what's important, right?  lol

            Are you a writer or is this your political forum posting account?  Just wondering as you have no hubs listed.  Why are you afraid to post under your real name?

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              ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It's rude to answer a question with a question, so the least he can do is answer mine first, no?

              I notice this trend of "I don't agree with you, so let me see how many hubs you have and try to discredit you that way." Huh????

              LOL @ "afraid." So, do you believe that we have people here whose real names are DTR0005, Druid Dude, and the like? This is just another silly distraction.

              What next? You gonna tell me you don't like the color of my shirt?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Just wondered if you were a writer or not.  If you have no hubs and aren't a sockpuppet, why are you here on a writing site?  I didn't say anything about discrediting you because you had no hubs!  There are other ways of being discredited here on the forums.  lol

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                  ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm working on a few. Be patient. I haven't had the time to devote to finishing them because I've been writing (among other things) to pay the bills. Forum posts take about a second and help me procrastinate.

            2. recommend1 profile image71
              recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Because he is already totally banned twice.

  39. Maembe profile image61
    Maembeposted 5 years ago

    I'm more inclined to believe that there are paid liberals posing as Righties and trying to make Republicans look ridiculous.  They are definitely succeeding.  I honestly couldn't make up some of the stuff that people say on here if I tried.

    1. DTR0005 profile image86
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Actually, that was my original thought. I can't think of anything that would make Conservatives look more "knuckle-dragging," than Lady Love's posts. It would make sense that she was paid by the Left to make the Right look ignorant.

  40. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Short Story...if you want to be ridiculous keep going...

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Does that mean you won't answer my question?

  41. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    It's a lot easier to dismiss the leftist crap because it's so much harder to find in the first place. Liberal media, indeed.
    Whereas the Tea Party crap has a mega money machine behind it.
    Just imagine how pissed those those poor duped citizens are gonna be when they figure out who's really holding the teapot. roll So gullible. It's sad.

    1. DTR0005 profile image86
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      MM, you want a real scare, sign up to get the Tea Party's mailings (emails.)

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Why waste time with their emails, DTR0005? We get the complete, unabridged Tea Party rant right here on HP every day!

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      logic,commonsenseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'll bite.  Who does control the teapot?
      Do you have actual, factual data?  References?  Besides, moveon, msnbc, NYT, etal?

      1. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi logic,commonsense
        There are many, many articles that discuss the Koch Brothers and Koch Family Foundation backing of the Tea Party Movement.
        I can list them for you if you like.

        However, to me, the most compelling is a documentary by an AUSTRALIAN filmmaker. Why would a non-American take it upon himself to choose such a topic? And come to the conclusions he comes to? What possible ulterior motive could an Australian have?

        http://conference.freepress.net/session … revolution

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          logic,commonsenseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Good questions.  What is the motivation of the Australian?  Hard to believe, but there are left wingers in Australia as well.  Not to say that is the case, but it would not suprise me.  There is always someone out to 'gotcha', no matter who you are.
          Are corporate interests that support the Tea Party movement?  I would not be suprised to see that there were.
          How many corporations have donated to Obama and the Democrats?  More that that have donated to the Republicans and Tea Party combined. At least when Obama was elected.  How about the film industry?  Left wing extremists?
          As long as the Tea Party focuses on fiscal issues, and downsizing government, they will have traction.  It's when some factions veer off into social issues that they lose the 'silent majority'.

        2. DTR0005 profile image86
          DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Cuz all non-Americans are communists - silly lady

      2. DTR0005 profile image86
        DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Logic,
        About two years ago, just messing around on the internet, I started looking into the Tea Party. The first thing I did was look for the money trail. I think you can agree that nothing survives without funding. Americans for Prosperity is the chief fund source of the Tea Party. The Koch brothers dump most of their money into American for Prosperity - that is a fact and that is the direct link - one of many. Koch Industries is one of two of the largest, privately-held companies in the US - the other is Cargill.
        Koch Industries has major interests in the following: oil refining, chemicals, agriculture, defense contracts, and health care.

        And a blind man with a cane could see the attraction: keep the oil flowing, get the EPA on your back about pollution(chemicals), keep agricultural subsidies flowing from Uncle Sam, keep war a poppin' overseas, and make certain health care reform doesn't happen. And that's exactly how the Tea pArty made its mark. And these are all big winners for Koch Industries.

        I mean seriously - you can't see the correlation here? The "freedom loving, constitutionlism, return-to-basics" is a smoke screen - this gets the people in the door, it gets people mobilized.. It's the cookie, the free toaster that grabs your interest. Meanwhile, and this is true of all polictical movements, the puppeteers pull the strings from above and you are along for the ride - your vote and you ability to make noise.

        1. AnnCee profile image78
          AnnCeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I'm sure the Kochy monster will pay for my cruise.  big_smile

          1. DTR0005 profile image86
            DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Another brilliant response...thanks! Of course you can't factually deny any of what I just wrote, so you do what you accuse liberals of doing - on a daily basis - deflect and ridicule.

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'm sure Koch donated just as Soro's does to 100 Times as many socialist programs! Soro's made out very well with Obama and the South American deal. Soro's bought millions of shares of Petrobras and made a ton!
              Actually Soro's is heavily involved in funding many many more Socialist agenda programs hands on. Koch just donates....Big deal. how about the Unions they give the Democratic Party 100's of millions of dollars and you think it is fair that they get them elected and negotiate on the opposite side of the table??

              http://hubpages.com/hub/AMERICAN-INVESTMENT

              1. DTR0005 profile image86
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Danny, union membership in the US is down to about 11%. In the 1950's during the good ole "Ike years," it was around 33%. You guys talk about how much money the "evil unions" spend and how much influence peddling they do, but the smelly fart in the room is this: the money doesn't seem to be getting them anywhere, does it? And if you believe that unions ultimately bite into business' bottom line (and they do) then it would appear that business is winning the war - continuing to practice union busting (and they are) as the percentage of union labor has steadily fallen over 60 years.  Since Ike, there have been 6 Republican presidents and  and 5 Democrats. Neither side appears to be very successful in buying the White House - it's virtually a dead heat.

                1. lady_love158 profile image59
                  lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Unions are shrinking everywhere... except in the public sector where union workers ar more than 37% of the workforce! The question is if unions are losing influence everywhere else why aren't they losing influence in government?  The simple answer is it's a corrupt system and you know it and everybody knows it! This is the base of the democrats power achieved on the blood sweat and tears of REAL American workers the kind that actually produce the wealth of this country and are actually accountable for keeping their jobs all while they support the blood sucking parasites of public sector union workers!

                  SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!

                  1. DTR0005 profile image86
                    DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    !!!!!!!!!!! -

                2. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm not really against private unions, it is the public unions that I do not like.

        2. lady_love158 profile image59
          lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Correlation isn't causation. Just because Koch contributes to Americans for Prosterity doesn't mean he is the founder of the tea party. The Koch's are conservatives as are most of the Tea Party so it makes perfect sense for him to support that group. It's amazing that you can see so clearly the logical connections you've drawn here but you can see that the American Center For Progress, Media Matters, Hufpo, NPR, and the Tides foundation are all supported by Soros and are connected to Obama through OFA.

          1. DTR0005 profile image86
            DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Professor Love,
            I never said the Koch brothers "founded" the Tea Party. I said they "paid" for the Tea Party, funded it. And to deny that is to deny that little round thing in the sky at night is the moon. If you "fund" something, chances are you have a real good say in what people do with your money. The Kochs' daddy and grandpappy started the John Birch Society. Before the term "libertarian" came back into fashion, the Koch brothers referred to themselves as "Birchers." Are you lost yet?
            So Birchers, in effect,  fund around 90% of the Tea Party. If you read Bircher literature from the 1950's during McCarthyism (which I guarantee you haven't or won't) you will find it identical to the Tea Party's literature of today. All you need to do is take out the term "Red Manace" and substitute the term "progressive Democrat" and, honestly, the platforms are identical. The Tea Party isn't a grassroots movement - it's the ressurrection of the John Birch Society.
            The Bircher movement and McCarthyism, incidently, are not known as "bright times" in American history. How do you get around the bad press, at least initially before everyone with some knowledge of history catches on? why you change the name. And as anyone who would be attracted to this extreme form of conservatism isn't very bright to start with, the sheep come running to the slaughter. And you my Lady Love, are classic Bircher material - at least based on your words. Armed with a 9th grade appreciation and knowledge of history and an internet connection, the Tea Partiers are off to change the world all the while not realizing that the Koch brothers and their ilk would just as soon wipe their asses with that Constitution you so proudly proport to defend. The Kochs are all about positioning themselves to rake in the cash - if that weren't the case, why would  they be spending so much money to kill every possible piece of legislation that might "hurt" their bottom line?
            As for the Kochs and Soros, they are neck in neck on spending their money - only positive thing I see with Soros is that he doesn't try to hide WHY and WHAT he is spending his on. Soros makes no bones about his positions -the Kochs tend to pull the strings from above the curtain.

            1. lady_love158 profile image59
              lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So according to your logic the Koch's are Butchers because their father was. That means Obama is a communist Muslim because his father was right?
              Still the Kochs have never denied creating Americans For Prosperity but THAT is NOT the Tea Party. Actually the tea party is composed of many disparate groups and is a true grass roots organization.

              1. DTR0005 profile image86
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Actually, the Tea Party is the John Birch Society dressed up in tri-corner hats. The Kochs are Birchers, self-professed Birchers - I don't call them Birchers, this is how they refer to themselves,  the Kochs fund the Tea Party, the Tea Party holds EXACTLY THE SAME BELIEFS as the Birchers - EXACTLY. Try reading Professor - neither organization makes or made any bones about what it is about. The Tea Party is the John Birch Society. The problem is its members and supporters are too ignorant and poorly-read to realize it.
                Hate to burst the bubble of originality that the Tea Party thinks it holds ownership tof, but the Tea Party isn't new, it isn't original, it isn't anything other than the John Birch Society of the 1950's.

                Your logic is faulty - this isn't guilt by association, this is guilt by admission.

                1. lady_love158 profile image59
                  lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The John Birch Society mission statement:

                  To bring about less government, more responsibility, and —with God’s help —a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and Constitutional principles.

                  Gee the sound terrible!! I think I'm going to join!! Lol!

                  1. DTR0005 profile image86
                    DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I get their Literature Professor Love...
                    What their mission statement is versus what they actually preach or espouse are two different things.
                    A Mission Statement is simply a soundbite, a synopsis -
                    The Nazis' Mission Statement was "To Return Germany to Its Rightful Place of Honor in the World...." - Doesn't sound too bad at first, does it?

            2. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Soro's does try and hide. your right maybe not as much as Koch but he does hide. I do not like any kind of extremism and will personally be against any such action. McCarthyism or socialism is bad.

              1. DTR0005 profile image86
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well Danny, for someone who says they don't like any kind of political extremism, if you have anything good to say about the Tea party, you are in fact supporting extremism. You can't get any more extreme, and you know this, than the Tea Party.

                I will argue with, break bread with, work side-by-side with any Republican - I have no respect for the Tea Party. I don't disrespect their members because ignorance is an excuse, I do however disrepect the movement because it's history repeating itself - we've been there and done that.

                1. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm not a tea party guy, the only thing I like is the fiscal responsibility and less government. This country will give anyone who really wants to live better and have wealth that opportunity.
                  My family came here from Italy and we struggled and was POOR. I have a few houses and live very comfortably, paid 75% of my kids college bought them brand new first cars. I left 25% because I do feel they need to learn responsibility but not drown them selves when they are starting out. Hopefully they will be successful and have enjoyable lives. So my beliefs are that if you truly work hard and learn responsibility you can have a fruitful live but always look to help people that need that helping hand, and again not so that we enable them to rely on help but to make them self reliant.

  42. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Of course I would! I would be terrified not to continue going! Fire and brimstone scare the crap out of me (which I believe is the intent).
    I don't want to be condemned to h-e-double toothpicks, do you???

  43. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Why do they even bother with writers' sites like Hub Pages? We're too smart to fall for the same old party lines.
    Thaat kind of "Obama is evil" drumbeat, drumbeat, drumbeat just turns us off to the message.
    Might work (does work) with mindless viewers who believe everything they see on Faux News.
    But seriously, has ANYONE here been swayed -- even the tiniest bit -- by these obvious plants? roll

    1. recommend1 profile image71
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Might Mom  -  "But seriously, has ANYONE here been swayed -- even the tiniest bit -- by these obvious plants?" - don't you mean vegetables ?

  44. Mighty Mom profile image91
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    The fiscal issues are pretty much impossible to disagree with!
    So why is the vocal minority of the TP not only veering, but domineering on the social issues?
    I am heartened to hear there are some TPers who want to focus on the real work and not let moral micro issues dominate the conversation.
    There are plenty of us left of center who believe in cutting government waste.
    We're also waiting for those JOBS to materialize!

  45. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    S.S....that was more of a statement or at best, attempted rhetorical question on your part...

    Whatever connotation you wish to derive..it is up to you..

    Now how about answering to some substantive, relevant questions I've asked?

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      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's not an answer. You first, then I'll answer yours.

  46. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    I heard on Miller's show that the right-wing psy-ops people are also the ones doing a lot of the LEFT wing attacks on Obama!!!

    He's getting it from all sides....from the same source!

    But they said you can always tell the imposters..they all use the same talking points.

  47. Ralph Deeds profile image70
    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago

    A pundit on CNBC speculated yesterday that Bachman and Donald Trump are "Obama plants" on the GOP's list of potential presidential candidates. I took it as a joke, but I'm sure Obama would be delighted to run against either of them or to have them run on a third party ticket.

    1. lady_love158 profile image59
      lady_love158posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sure either of them would beat Obama. Remember in thus election Obama is now a known quantity he now has a record he will have to defend he will now have to actually answer questions from the press. Obama wont be able to hide behind friendly one on one interviews or his staged events and teleprompter delivered drivel.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Trump is a clown with a bad plug job, and Bachman doesn't have a firm grip on reality.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          They seem like the perfect republican candidates as they mirror their constituents mental abilities.  lol

        2. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ralph how is this guy a clown? you wish you were him and you know it! he has accomplished so much in his life an works very hard and your jealous...admit it! right away you have nothing substantial to say so just attack and make comments about his hair. I'm sure your personal features are just perfect! Bachman is very Intelligent has a great heart she adopted over 20 kids and is a wonderful woman. I do not agree with everything she stands for but that does not mean she is stupid. It just shows how intelligent you are.

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            OK then, Trump is a clown with perfect hair.

            Better?

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              yeah only you would say something as dumb! God you are not worth the time. LMAO

          2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You are a nasty character.

            1. DannyMaio profile image60
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ralph I'm a nasty character but 95% of your post are bashing people? you constantly throw one liners out there with no factual basis.

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I'm "guilty" of bashing Tea Baggers, but, unlike you, I try to avoid bashing fellow hubbers.

                1. DannyMaio profile image60
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Basing is Bashing, and does nobody any good. That is fine you do not like the tea party. but why bash??? does that make it any better? actually I do think you realize how powerful they are from the last election and your frustrated. relax you will get you SS check.

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Danny, get real! You say "bashing" does nobody any good so why are your posts constantly bashing!
                    Hell, even your post complaining about Ralph "bashing" you ends with you "bashing" Ralph!

                  2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You mean like this one from LOL?

                    "Libs are the biggest liars and hypocrites going! All they do is attack, ridicule, distract, and dinigrate and when that doesn't work they call you racist! Now you know why I call them evil!"

                    You seem to be offended only by bashing from the left. Although you claim to be a registered Democrat, you sound more like a Tea Bagger or at best a Reagan Democrat.

                2. Jim Hunter profile image60
                  Jim Hunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No you don't.

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    True, there are a couple of exceptions, including yourself and a couple of other provacateurs. :-)

            2. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ralph, don't you mean "your a nasty character" lol

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Ha!

              2. DTR0005 profile image86
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You caught that one too John...lol I wasn't going to go there, but BRAVO!

      2. bgamall profile image86
        bgamallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        People are now gravitating away from the Tea Party, now that it is for cutting unemployment insurance and has been corrupted by Beck and Palin. Some Tea Party people have good ideas but they are not front and center.

        1. DannyMaio profile image60
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          keep believing your nonsense! where is that proof? I guess the last election did not speak volumes? It was a a$$ whipping and your President is making even more mistakes that even his party is starting to go against  him! this is a fact, did you know not one time in history has a president lost rating after a war started! they always go up as Unity kicks in, strangely his is down. Interesting. keep spinning BS

  48. AnnCee profile image78
    AnnCeeposted 5 years ago

    Oh dear. .   the magic pixie dust has worn off?

  49. mikelong profile image83
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Short Story...if you have nothing of purpose to say to me, at this point, keep your pettiness to yourself...

    1. 59
      ShortStoryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      At least tell me directly if you do or do not intend to answer my question. You seem to have several methods of avoiding discussion on a discussion forum.

      1. DannyMaio profile image60
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        that is all he does, just twist and change subjects with no real logic. he focuses on the few things that are false and makes it as though everything else is false too. he doesn't answer questions, he just poses a question to a question or just attacks when he does not have any real answers. His Uncle tried but it was useless. I really believe he should demand his money back from that college.

  50. lady_love158 profile image59
    lady_love158posted 5 years ago

    Libs are the biggest liars and hypocrites going! All they do is attack, ridicule, distract, and dinigrate and when that doesn't work they call you racist! Now you know why I call them evil!

    1. DTR0005 profile image86
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Libs are the biggest liars and hypocrites going! All they do is attack, ridicule, distract, and dinigrate and when that doesn't work they call you racist! Now you know why I call the evil!

      Cauldron... please meet the witch.

 
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