People who live in glass houses, even if they are the Trump Tower, should not throw stones.
This is from TIME online (also saw it on CNN). The writeup was so good I had to copy it in its entirety.
So should Trump put his birth certificate where his big mouth is... or what?
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/29/bir … egitimate/
Birther Backlash: Turns Out, Donald Trump's 'Birth Certificate' Isn't Legitimate
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/29/bir … z1I18Yk600
You know what they say about karma, Donald.
After making a to-do about President Obama's so-called failure to produce a valid birth certificate (really? still?), Donald Trump graciously went out of his way to put everyone's mind at ease by producing his own.
(More on TIME.com: Birther was a top buzzword of 2009)
However, Politico is reporting that the document Trump has produced isn't an official document, merely a hospital "certificate of birth." Whoops! An official birth certificate can only be issued by the Department of Health, reports Politico, and "would have the agency's seal and also a signature of the city registrar - neither of which the Trump document has."
The document Trump produced reads "Jamaica Hospital" at the top and the date of birth of a Donald Trump. It's possible the document is from the Jamaica Hospital in Queens, but who can know for sure? He doesn't have the official document in his hands.
Sure, Trump's birthplace may be somewhat of a mystery. But NewsFeed doesn't think we'll ever answer the true, years-old question — what, exactly, is up with the hair? (via Politico)
(More on TIME.com: See Trump not running for president)
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/29/bir … z1I18M9tkO
Trump isn't president, so there are no requirements for him to release that information to the public. Last I checked the Constitution, he could state his opinion without accountability.
Time for everyone to get over this. Even if there was proof Obama was not born in the U.S., it would drag out in the courts til 2012 when it would be a moot point since he won't be reelected.
For betting purposes, I'd like to know which of the clowns from the GOP circus is going to beat Obama in 2012?
Does it matter?
Any clown would be better.
WELL Said DB Cooper! You NAILED IT! It is really a circus pack with looser clowns. The Obama tank will crush them come 2012!
Jim, your statement show that you have NO commonsense, it is FREE, go get some!
So what you're saying DB Cooper, is that it's okay for the Pot to call the Kettle Black...because the kettle is definitely black and the pot doesn't fit in the Cabinet?
"2012 when it would be a moot point since he won't be reelected." He will be reelected and there is nothing anybody can do about it.
I'm pretty sure there is something specific the voters CAN do about it. If he keeps on the way he's going he'll make it rather likely too.
The voters can if they open their eyes.
WELL Said! I believe he will be reelected because he have unique qualities ALL the others are badley lacking.
I suppose he could be lying, but I just heard him on the radio other day saying he had it on his desk while doing the interview (with one of those NPR lefty-clones).
Of course there is no requirement that Trump produce his birth certificate for any official purpose.
But given as he has made the Obama birth certificate a personal crusade, and given that he more than likely wouldn't be butting his stupid hair into this issue unless he had designs on running for POTUS himself, one would think he'd come to the debate armed for bear.
My point in posting this news from the TIME news site is to show that it's not just the "NPR lefty-clones" who are seeing the irony in this story.
THANKS for posting Might Mom. I fully get the point. Trump started this mess that is turning out to be a total train reck on whatever little credibility he have left.
NO BODY ask Trump to put his birth papers in the public spot light. Look's like He smoke and drink rum one night, wakeup the next morning and decide he was going to prove his Birther point once and for all, only to produce a piece of paper that is NOT authentic and further muddy the situation for him.
BOTTOM Line: Trump is runing for president and is doing this to appeal to the GOP Birther Base to get him thru the process. The propblem is, should he emerge victorious this will haunt him in the general election and he will end up like Sharon Angle in Nevada.
FYI Interesting to note. Donald Trump has never had a taste of alcohol in his life because he watched a brother waste his life to alcohol.
It's clear this is a very painful subject for Democrats. It'll be nice when its all over.
YES IT WILL ANNCEE. something so simple yet he spends millions? has to be hiding something! like I said maybe it says Barry on the long form? maybe he used Barry for student aide as a foreign citizen? I do not know what he is hiding but definitely hiding something and we should know!
It says Soetero on his birth certificate because he was adopted by a man named Soetero and in Hawaii the name change is mandatory.
He is Something Soetero, not Barack Hussein Obama. He probably decided when he was a pot smoking teenager to rebel and go with Barack Hussein Obama instead of his legal name. He should have made the name Obama his legal name a long time ago. I don't think it matters legally what his name is. But I guess he just doesn't want to deal with it.
Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King Jr. but his name was changed when he was adopted.
You know what honesty and clarity is good for the soul. It is painful and harmful to live with secrets.
Lot of ass-u-me-tions you make there.
But anything to suit your agenda.
I assume his parents followed the law which says an adopted child takes the name of the adopting party.
I was talking about this one:
"He probably decided when he was a pot smoking teenager to rebel and go with Barack Hussein Obama instead of his legal name. He should have made the name Obama his legal name a long time ago. I don't think it matters legally what his name is. But I guess he just doesn't want to deal with it."
You assume quite a lot there.
If you say it enough does it make it true?
Nice how you threw in the pot-smoking, rebellious teenager...
Kind of reminds me of Russsshhhh's oldie but goodie:
"Pot-smoking, draft-dodging Philanderer-in-Chief"
Ahhhh, the original President-Basher. Such a great American. NOT.
And btw, have you read TranceFormation of America?
LOT of stuff in there about ole Gerald Ford.....not nice stuff either....speaking of secrets and good for the soul and all that....
Geuss it works all ways, but I'd keep the assuming out of it if I were you.
It is all anyone can do when we have a president that spent millions to hide something! It will come out eventually and all you koolaid drinking socialist will hide under your rocks. anybody with even the slightest bit of commonsense knows he is hiding something to spend millions not to produce a 10.00 piece of paper! go read the huffington or politico news and drink your kool aid
What's with these millions he's supposed to have spent hiding his roots?
Funny how you're the only one who seems to know about them!
Perhaps you can tell me who else was involved in the plot to make a Kenyan Muslim President of the US, nobody else can.
he has paid attorneys to fight all the lawsuits about this! can you not open your mind even a little and do some research before spouting off??? do you know how much attorneys cost to fight lawsuits? Mr. Berg a lawyer from PA filed a bunch and instead of showing a 10.00 piece of paper he is fighting it? if this makes sense to you or any other fool than I would love to sell you a bridge! he is hiding something, he has more then one name more than one social security number to many things that are unknown and if someone wants to hold the highest office in the USA he needs to be honest! would you Mr. smart man hire attorneys and fight to not show your LONGFORM birth certificate or just show it? can not wait to hear this
There is a very subtle but important difference in defending a lawsuit and fighting a lawsuit. If you are sued, even frivolously, you can either defend it - and that costs money, or you risk a summary judgement.
So I can sue you for something really stupid and, in our great nation, you will be forced to spend money defending it.
That's how it works. If I say your cat offended me and I sue you (provided it doesn't get thrown out as frivolous to start with) I have to pay an attorney to defend the suit.
Where is it documented that Obama has spent millions on legal defense?
OK, if we assume you are correct, Who are his co-conspirators? There is no way a man acting on his own could hood-wink the whole state mechanism into believing he is something that he isn't.
Again John I'm not really saying he was not born here, he may or may not be. but you have to admit why go through all this for years and countless sending attorneys to court to stand by legal rights to not just show the dam papers! truly does not make sense, he is hiding something and because he is the president I believe they are just protecting or trying to protect the honor of the US or it is just things that make him look bad which we have a right to know about if he is president. like I said maybe he used Barry because he has Indonesian citizenship to pay for college on a foreign scholarship?? who knows or maybe something else, you have to admit it does not make any sense to go through all this nonsense... JUST SHOW THE LONGFORM.
Factcheck asked Hawaii for the long form. They were told Hawaii does not make copies of them.
false, many people showed their longform it states doctor who delivered etc... please without this you can not get passport, DL etc... heck can not even register for little league
See for yourself.
"The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/bor … e_usa.html
of course they will not give a response. many people from hawaii have shown longform birth certificates. believe what you want, you already accused me of being a right wing religious freak which I'm not . I'm a registered Democrat from NY and not very religious. I voted for Hillary in the primary loved Clinton and After the Bush mess I thought Hillary would have been just what was needed. Instead we have someone who lies more than Clinton with monica (which I believe was a personal issue) When he did not come clean with reverend Wright and said he was in the church for 20 years and never heard wright speak like that and he dedicated a book to him was a smack in the face to EVERY person in the USA. I really do not see why he doesnt put this to rest? any normal person has to think he must be hiding something. just doesnt make any sense to go through all this for a simple piece of paper and as always the truth will come out.
Nope...Think Progress and Veterans Today, thank you. Politico is a rogue operation.
Huffpo...since she bough out AOL, or whatever happened--I don't go there.
Anything ELSE you want to assume, like you know me?
Okay, i was with you until you got to your "bottom line" statement. First of all, what exactly are you basing this idea that Trump even wants to be President? This is almost as absurd when there were rumors that Rush Limbaugh wanted to run for political office as well. By the way, how did that rumor turn out? Don't answer that, as that's a rhetorical question. Anyways, Trump is one of the most powerful businessmen in America right now, and he's a multi-billionaire. Therefore, why would he want to run for a job where makes potentially less money, and has less power than he has right now? Trump has way more power in this country than O'Bama does, and he doesn't have to worry about public opinion when making controversial business moves. Whereas O'Bama he has to some degree answer to Congress and the American public. Therefore, I doubt seriously Trump even wants to be president, as I would imagine that would be a huge step down for him. Not saying that the President's job is a joke, but lets face it. Big corporations and businesses are the real leaders of this country, as they have the most money and the most power. that's just reality.
What does his "hair" have to do with any of this?
politico???? LMAO OK everyone believes them! JOKE! Watch Donald Prove his is real! watch and weep
Can't wait til he has to cower to the rightys on "how gay marriage will ruin the institution of marriage", and then they find out how many times he's been married!!
Oooohooooohoooo, that should be a hoot!
OH, and how he cheated on his wife....eeegads, the horror.
err, I should say normalcy of the Republicans. Gingrich? How many times?
btw---I never remember anyone ever asking for Bush or Clinton or Reagan's birth certificate.
You all listened to Orly Taits...maybe you should look her up....just sayin.
Right across the top of the birth certificate provided by Donald Trump are the words:
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH CITY OF NEW YORK
BUREAU OF RECORDS AND STATISTICS
CERTIFICATE BIRTH REGISTRATION
As seen at link provided by Huffington Post, a source you lefties might approve.
Pretty silly though, releasing the hospital thing.
Mine has a stork and little black footprints on it and looks very official indeed.
I think it was faked AnnCee, Trump's birth certificate - all a forgery. Frustrating isn't it? loll
Now that The Donald has produced his 'LEGAL' Birth Certificate', all those Band-Waggoners who were salivating at the 'ILLEGALITY' of Donald Trump's Hospital Birth Record, had better take some time to realize that this is exactly what The Donald had intended, all along.
Those folk, so quick to judgement on the 'Legality' of Donald Trump's Hospital Birth Record, have been asking the Country, to accept, for the past 2 years, the same Birth Record, so far supplied by the Obama folk.
These are no longer 'Freudian-Slips', these are 'Freudian-Panties'. Get a hold of the 'Panty-Waist' & pull-up- hard & quick.
Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/29/bir … z1I1Pdc89y
Good point. Great point. Two karmas, three likes and four exalts for you.
Dude.. it was a joke. I don't care where the hell Donald Trump was hatched. I mean I realize this is a personal crusade for some, but can't you find some other "deconstructive" anti-Obama topic to harp on? Take Lady Love's lead if you need a suggestions.
Trump brought this up to test the waters - see if he could get a rise out of the Tea Partiers - and it worked. Truthfully, Trump is Tea Party material. I am quite sure the "Party" will be able to overlook his shitty personal life, his questionable business dealings - his hair loll... Trump is the Ross Perot of 2012 - if he runs.
Honestly I am all for running him. Add Palin or Bachmann in the mix and the Dems are guaranteed to take it all in 2012.
Bro, I dont even like Trump! the only way I would vote for him is if it was him and Obama, then again I would vote for Mickey Mouse instead of Obama. I wanted Hillary. I happen to love this country and feel like we are being taken for fools! I want this man exposed he lied when he said he did not know wright spoke that way even though he went to the church for 20 years and dedicated a book to him? that insults my intelligence. he is no leader. seems like a decent guy but no leader and has proven this time and time again.
Bro, I don't particularly care for him either - all I have ever said on here is that HE IS NOT THE ANTICHRIST. And when you read the forum posts, as I know you have, that is exactly how he is painted.
"Get a hold of the 'Panty-Waist' & pull-up- hard & quick."
"Why do they call it a wedgie?"
"Because the underwear is pulled up from the back until... it wedges in."
"They also have an Atomic Wedgie. Now the goal there is to actually get the waistband on top of the head. It's very rare."
Trump was 'born' as the Junk Bond King of the 1980's. Up until then, few knew who he was. Now we all know selling junk bonds was illegal but like most businessmen who did it never went to jail.
"OK, if we assume you are correct, Who are his co-conspirators? There is no way a man acting on his own could hood-wink the whole state mechanism into believing he is something that he isn't." You are right. Maybe not exactly appropriate to the discussion right here but as far as I am concerned his co-conspirators are more like than not the CIA. In this case it is not only quite possible, it is the rule.
But why the CIA?
Big business getting a puppet elected would make far more sense.
That rumor has been going around a long time. As has the one that he is British MI 5 (is that right?) MI-5.
okay, never mind. I just found out that he is interested in running for office after all. I apologize.
That's AWESOME, Danny!!!
Where in NY? I'm from Long Island (not exactly Democrat territory).
Dix hills Long Island. I was brought up in Ozone park Queens. no this is the only place republicans out number democrats! well Suffolk county is big right wingers.
I don't know about all of Nassau County, but the north shore where I grew up was very Republican. I keep a very low political profile on Facebook when communicating with my former elementary/high schoolmates
I was wondering if you perchance were in Anthony Weiner's district. Not even close!!!
seems like a big difference! doctors, people signing off official seal like other REAL certificates I have seen, Very simple show the dam thing and get this over with.
Not sure what the Hawaii document is from. No signatures, no legal stamps. Looks like a blank document typed in Obama's info.
Michelle's comment exposes just how ambiguous the whole Obama nativity myth really is. His Kenyan grandmother calls him a son of the soil. Newspapers in Africa say he is Kenyan-born. One of his friends, Tammy Duckworth said he was born in Indonesia. His mother's whereabouts at the time of his birth can't be confirmed. The state of Hawaii uses doublespeak to claim Obama is legit, but without specifically saying his alleged COLB is genuine. Why?? They refuse to authenticate his certificate number despite having statutory and discretionary authority under vital records laws and the state's sunshine laws. The state of Hawaii has even lied about it's own disclosure rules to avoid dealing with Obama's birth questions. There's strong evidence Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and may have legally retained his adopted surname and Indonesian citizenship into adulthood. The state of Hawaii has procedurally admitted that Obama's birth records were amended and thus, what he presents via jpg has to have been forged. Then we can get into the natural born citizenship issue which precludes Obama because of his British/Kenyan father. The list goes on and on. Let's just get all the truth out and not have to guess.
Being in an Obama-trance with heads in the sand does not serve this country well. It's time to wake up and quit carrying water for a fraud.
this seems real interesting!this links directly to archive.org and is clearly linked through the Kenyan paper's website and has been archived.with I might add -AP clearly marked on the story.
http://web.archive.org/web/200406271427 … 060403.htm
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