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President Flip Flop: To Libya and Beyond!

  1. Flightkeeper profile image79
    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago

    President Flip Flop, as a senator, opposed the "dumb war" against dictator Saddam Hussein but supports "kinetic military action" against dictator Kadaffy.  Unfortunately for him, it's not going so well because the rebels are an undisciplined rag tag bunch without a plan.  Now, he has been thinking of arming the rebels but he hasn't ruled out not arming the rebels. lol lol Just like he said that he's going to close Guantanamo but hasn't closed Guantanamo.

    If we thought Kerry was a flip flopper, Obama is a human seesaw.  But no matter, he won't have to make the decisions, he'll just give that responsibility to Hillary, Nancy or Harry, aka The Three Stooges. lol

    1. John Holden profile image61
      John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "the rebels are an undisciplined rag tag bunch without a plan."
      Who just happen to have Gaddafi on the run, he's rapidly losing  support at the moment.
      We are already discussing where he will be exiled to.

      1. Flightkeeper profile image79
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol Is that what your BBC is telling you?  Boy are you in for a surprise.

        1. John Holden profile image61
          John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Why does it disagree with that fount of wisdom and honesty, Fox News?

          1. Flightkeeper profile image79
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Oh dear, can't let go of Fox News can you?  Read this:

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma … ch-gaddafi

            Since it's british, I'm sure you'll have no trouble reading it.

            1. dingdondingdon profile image61
              dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm so amused that you're linking to the UK's most left-wing newspaper.

              1. Flightkeeper profile image79
                Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                What can I say, I try to give information the way leftists can understand it.

        2. dingdondingdon profile image61
          dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You realize the BBC is one of the most respected news sources in the world?

          1. Flightkeeper profile image79
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yeah, and a lot of people use toilet paper too.

            1. dingdondingdon profile image61
              dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't say most used, I said most respected. There is a reason the BBC has a strong international reputation while Fox is a laughing stock.

      2. lady_love158 profile image61
        lady_love158posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Uh no! Kadaffy is not on the run and those rebels some of the fought against America in Iraq! We have no business helping them!

      3. profile image61
        ShortStoryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Check recent news updates.

    2. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      iraq would be opposed by any sensible person...bush ruined usa with his over zeal of iraq...china and iran benefitted from it...bush can be said to have in directly helped iraq and china but guess bush was never known for intellect and having vision....

      Libya is different story...it has united nations support , arab world support...if bush could have learnt from obama a bit , usa would have been in much better position than what it is right now...it is sad that obama came after bush...but in other terms it was god plan to send some one like obama after disaster called bush smile

      1. Flightkeeper profile image79
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You must be listening to the BBC too.  Bush got a coalition, in fact Bush's coalition was much larger than Obama's.  As for the UN, so what?  Is the UN leading the military? No.  In fact, the UN is supposed to promote peace but is unable to do do so without the military might of developed nations.  The Arab League doesn't know what it wants except they want to kill Israel; everything else is always an argument with them.  As for God, if that's the same god that Reverend Wright uses to damn the USA, I'm not sure that it's going to be helpful for good ole President Flip Flop. lol

        1. pisean282311 profile image58
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          get real...usa would need more consensus than ever before...usa is no more leading power it used to be (thanks to bush)...china is soon evolving as superpower and it would have far more say that usa in future...

          on iraq read about kofi adnan's general secretary of united nations  at that time...he said bush's war was illegal and when he says that, chapter ends...usa and uk went alone and entire world criticized it...bush was one arrogant man who took usa down and blowed off republicans ...obama is much consensus man and so genuinely respected world wide...and personally i dont believe in god but if god is real , obama would surely be his man smile

          1. Flightkeeper profile image79
            Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol Yeah, so genuinely respected that he got turned down by the Chinese! lol So genuinely respected that the Brits and the French didn't bother consulting with Flip Flop over Libya; he came late in the game.

            As for Kofi, umm, did he do anything more to stop the massacres in Rwanda? Ummm...NO!

            lol

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              nope...he was in the loop since day  1 in libya...yes usa has lost its clout because of bush and china won't respect usa , since china knows that bush has ruined it and now usa is dependent on china...so ofcourse and it is not about what kofi adnan did...honestly united nations can't do much in any case..usa was super power before it attacked iraq , un couldnot do anything against super power...yes bush did make it as second most powerful country by being in power for 8 years and now usa is where it is...i think usa needs 8 terms of people like obama to come back to where it was...another bush and usa would slip further down...it is scary to think about that...

              1. Flightkeeper profile image79
                Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                In the loop?  Yeah, so in the loop that he decided to go sightseeing in Brazil and Chile instead. lol lol

                1. pisean282311 profile image58
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  and still remained in loop...isn't it great...he remained in brazil, played back seat and operated without causing back lash which usually bush caused around the globe...wonderful efficiency...good job...

                  1. Flightkeeper profile image79
                    Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Funny, you didn't give Bush the credit that while he was conducting two wars, he cut taxes, conducted bilateral trade agreements with several countries and kept unemployment under 8%. 

                    lol lol

          2. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            the US is not the leading power????? boy are you delusional. if it was not for Americas force quadaffi would have killed them all already! Hillary was quitting last week because of Obama's wavering while on vacation again. the french and Brits could not even defeat Libya with out us. they have enough for 2 weeks of attacks.

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              i guess you think leading power only in terms of military...well war needs money + military might + international political support (lobbying)...

              usa is huge military might and none can match it...there is no element of doubt in it...but military might can win the war but cannot serve the purpose...afghan ,iraq,vietnam are examples of that...usa won the war but with heavy loss of men ,money and reputation (especially in afghan)...


              coming to leading power , well i think you are living in good old days...g2 is going to be reality soon...china would get veto power in IMF soon...even sarah palin said china has notes and we are dependent on them...china is rising military , economic and political power...it has 40 countries right now where it has influence and usa/europe clout is declining...obviously usa has been super power since years and decline would be gradual...it would take another ten years ...so still there is time ...usa has always be great visionary , innovative and welcomes change...world is changing and old ways wont work...top brass of usa politics knows that and am glad they are thinking in right direction....

              By the way I am not socialist...i dont belief in socialist or communist concepts...i think it is not natural ...same which i think about conservatives...only thing natural is change

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I will agree with you on most of your reply. We still are the top dog, yes we can lose it and then we all know it is truly over for this country. It can be less then 10 years if we do not fix it now. Glad you are not a socialist, Most socialist really think they are doing good. It has never worked and will never work. that is why I Dislike Obama for the reason, He is a Liar(stupid) and his policies. I just do not understand how all socialist cry racism if you do not like Obama?  and he is half white so what does that mean? is it 1/2 racism?

          3. profile image61
            ShortStoryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The US and UK most certainly did NOT "go it alone," and let's not forget that 'ol Koffi's son was profiting greatly and illegally from black market oil deals with saddam after the first Gulf War. A little, tiny conflict of interest? Hmm?

    3. Daniel Carter profile image92
      Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Perhaps Obama took lessons from Romney.
      Flip flopping is a specialty of his, as well.

      Politics has a special way of inbreeding like that, from what I can see—variations on a theme.
      I'm not much of a fan of either of these ego-maniacs.

      wink

      1. Flightkeeper profile image79
        Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Obama to take lessons from Romney?  Don't think so.  More like Obama and Romney took lessons from Kerry.  I doubt Obama wants to learn much from a Republican although I do hear that he likes to position himself as Reagan from time to time. lol

        1. Daniel Carter profile image92
          Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well now, Kerry, yes.
          "Special needs" and an ego.
          Amazing what a little marketing and gullible media can manage...

          Obama rather thinks himself a Lincoln dressed as a Reagan, methinks.
          Egos are an amazing thing. Probably good there's not much truth in them.

  2. manlypoetryman profile image71
    manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago

    Surely...Oh no....Surely....we can't go and throw out an evil dictator who has massed countless humanitarian violations? That would make us...big meanies...in a "dumb war"!

    1. recommend1 profile image72
      recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I guess the other political spammer is going to take a break for a while as this one takes over ?  or are they the same person I wonder?

      1. manlypoetryman profile image71
        manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Who are you calling political spammer...the minute I rarely show up on political forum, recommend 1 ?

        Just cause someone doesn't state the view you want to hear...don't make 'em a spammer...ya' poor lil' panda!

        (and then start alter-ego BS, too...Plez...we been down that road before...Been there-done that.)

    2. Jim Hunter profile image60
      Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Isn't it strange that if we go to war with Iraq all the world will hate us.

      If we go to war with Libya then the world will love us.

      I like liberal logic.

      1. manlypoetryman profile image71
        manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Logic, Jim? I think you give it far too much credit using the words: Liberal...and Logic together. It is like the polar or universal opposite of "Logic"...but now the Liberal President says it is OK to dispose an evil dictator in a Middle East Country. Now its' Ok...?????

        Whoops...sorry about all the troops I created a bad-atmosphere for before. Whoops...my bad. Today it is OK to go after evil dictators in the Middle East. New Change-New Policy. Whoops, let's just forget about all the ol' stuff, OK?


        Mere words can not describe the total opposite of logic that this now is!

  3. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    @ts there is difference between criticism and propaganda ...huge difference...

  4. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    @flightkeeper

    Flightkeeperposted 41 seconds ago in reply to this

    How odd that what you think is principally wrong under Bush is not principally wrong under President Flip Flop.  As for USAs image, the Arab world already hates the US and uses it to excuse all their problems.  They'll come to hate President Flip Flop even worse.


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    not odd...iraq was done on basis of lie that it has wmd..in his summons blair admitted that they had got it wrong and there was no wmd...

    libya was done after it saw protest on streets...it was call for world body and world body decided to implement no fly zone...

    one was war which could have been avoided and another was decision whether to support libya people or not...

    1. Flightkeeper profile image79
      Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, keep justifying it to yourself, then President Flip Flop won't look so bad.  lol

      1. pisean282311 profile image58
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        i guess you are justifying something which majority of human beings in the world believes was wrong...it doesnot matter what minority of bush supporters believe...in end verdict is loud and clear ...bush was wrong and that is what would go down in history...coming to your definition of flip flop , well if you see from point of view of situation it is not flip flop ,iraq was dumb war and libya has world support...difference is loud and clear for all to see...but you can keep bashing obama and justifying war of bush , if that makes you feel good lol lol ...

        1. Flightkeeper profile image79
          Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, history will decide, Bush will be looked on more kindly and without the libtard hysteria.  I have no problem with that and people will see that President Flip Flop was one of if not the worst president in all all time so far.

          big_smile

          1. pisean282311 profile image58
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            ...i wonder how can man who is responsible for 0.1 million death can be looked upto kindly?...but let history decide is fair thing to say...in end it is mere my opinion and mere your opinion...doesnot count much for historians smile

            1. Flightkeeper profile image79
              Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Oh dear, been reading the BBC again have you?  Let's see Hussein has been killing hundreds of thousands of his people, attacked other countries, but only Bush is responsible for the deaths.  I hope you're not employed as a mathematician. big_smile

              I agree, it really doesn't matter, it's only your opinion in the end.

              1. pisean282311 profile image58
                pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                ...what one person does in his own country is none of usa's business....did iraqi called american , if yes well americans should have gone and attacked but that was not the case...why poke nose in other's business and if one person kills 20 that doesnot justify another person killing 10...it is totally absurd statement to make...

                1. Flightkeeper profile image79
                  Flightkeeperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, you say it's absurd but you don't see that when Obama does it. lol lol lol

                  1. pisean282311 profile image58
                    pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    i think you didnt read entire thing...did iraqi called for usa's intervision no...did united nations which represents 200 countries backed it no...do you see what bush did?...

                    did united nations called for intervening in libya ...Yes...did un backed it yes...do you get it or you dont want to get it ? lol lol

                2. Jim Hunter profile image60
                  Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  If that country poses a risk to our National security or our allies then we are justified with taking action.

                  Bush built a coalition and did what he was supposed to.

                  I say to hell with a coalition. if some country is a risk to us we should take action.

                  Libya was not a risk to us.

  5. Rudra profile image64
    Rudraposted 6 years ago

    Will it be Iran next.

    1. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      nope...it would be suicidal..usa doesnot understand mindset of people out there...it would be more destructive for usa than vietnam..Iran is one of oldest civilizations and too proud as nation...bombs can't win them over...they can be occupied but can't be won...

      1. Jim Hunter profile image60
        Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Its funny that you say that.

        It used to be that in order to win a war you killed the enemy and civilians.

        Now we have collateral damage, the U.S. has not defeated an enemy with this new approach of winning hearts and minds.

        Yeah, Iran would be a walk in the park for the U.S. if we still tried to defeat the enemy.

        1. pisean282311 profile image58
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          nope it wont be...infact usa has learnt that in vieatnam and is learning in afghan...occupying and winning are two different things...and occupying is costlier if you dont win over people...and that side is not profit/loss kinds...they would resist imposer and i am glad slowly world is moving towards that phase of understanding that weapons dont work any more...unless ofcourse mission is to eliminate some ruler...or something like that or bring opposition to negotiation table...for limited goal , it would work but not for longer goals...

          1. Jim Hunter profile image60
            Jim Hunterposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You didn't understand what you just read.

            Thats ok.

            1. pisean282311 profile image58
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              may be....

  6. aware profile image71
    awareposted 6 years ago

    I understand the rational   that Obama cited . The fear is that other leaders  facing  unrest would take  actions similar to Gadhafi to quell it. Igniting  a  Mideast slaughter  of the disenfranchised by   leaders not willing to cede power. I get it. My beef is that before  he decided to wield our fist . He should have addressed us as to the problem at hand.

 
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