In yesterday's poll, Obama and Huckabee tied. I'm surprised!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls … elections/
That is a great Poll Habee. The rest of it is interesting reading as well I reckon.
Huckabee just got caught on tape supporting religious indoctrination at gunpoint, so it will be interesting to see how long that lasts
http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_p … 76700.html
That's not exactly what Huck meant. He said, JOKINGLY, that every American should be forced to listen to David Barton. The audience knew it was a joke - hence the laughter.
I like Mike, but I wish he wasn't so far right socially.
I like Huck too. He was my Mom's pastor for years when he pastored Beech St.First Baptist in Texarkana. I heard him preach a few times, most recently a few years back for the 100th anniversery of Beech St. I remember when he started the ACTS television ministry channel. It is still going strong in the Arklatex. My sister supports him somewhat, but really likes the fact he supports the arts. Regardless, despite what everyone else says, I think he could get elected, BUT most folks are scared that he's too religious.
Open mouth, insert foot or some other apendage..
This is very telling...
I am publicly proclaiming my support for Sarah Palin on the GOP ticket!!!!!
In fact, sign me up - I will sing her praises and even donate money to her campaign...
Huckabee strikes me as someone--like Pence, who is all for show about this religious stuff.
I read a story very long ago about him, and I can't remember the details, but it left me with a bad feeling in my gut. Something about how his kids were raised....guns and cruelty...I cannot recall.
But, I do know he was one of the first Obama-is-not-a-citizen people at Fox.
He just creeps me out.
And the way he talks!! His jaw moves funny, and his chin waggles.
Really? In this clip he says he knows Obama was born in Hawaii.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13u_ukLi … re=related
After having him for Governor, I would not vote for him in a Presidential election. Never liked him then and still don't. Meeting him in person really showed how he could turn on the "showman" in his personality and how he does avoid questions when asked.
He has trouble making up his mind about where Obama grew up, it seems. I would never trust any church leader to be president because of their first duty to the church rather than their office. Especially so in the case of a Baptist or other fundamental preacher becoming president.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRAbA0Qp … re=related
Listening to that Maltzberg clip...only took 30 seconds of it..I can't stand to listen to that bullcrap any more.
BUT--it shows perfectly where all the far-righters here get their info about the world.
Plain as day.
"Obama has spent 100's of millions of dollars".....that's where I turned off, and said...Ah HAH!!!!!!
If you watched my clip, Huck says that was a gaffe. In his book, he talks about Obama's growing up in Indonesia for part of his childhood. You were quick to dismiss Obama's gaffe about "57 states" and his "Muslim faith," so why not give Mike the same break? Politicians are only human. At least, I THINK they're human! lol
Whatcha think about a Mormon president? Never mind...I know you'd never vote for ANY Republican! lol
A Mormon president? Just imagine having 4 or 5 First Ladies for the fashion folks to follow around trying to find out what kind of underwear to promote. Not to mention the trouble it would cause between the ladies wanting to be the "Favorite First Female Fornicator." Who gets the Lincoln bedroom?
Gosh, isn't gross intolerance fun? I'll bet you just laugh your ass off at those folks who stereotype Muslims, huh? Those nazis must have been a jolly bunch too, huh? It's just so much fun to hate and dismiss (and who knows what else...?) based on the irrational hatred of someone else's religion! Smilie faces all around!
Sorry, I cannot judge how much you enjoy gross intolerance. Only you can relate your personal feelings. Yes, stereotyping different religions would be a slippery business, but not when they are all so similar in nature.
But Mormonism are a relatively new cult compared to the old stand by cults of Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. It was founded by a former conman who finally found the mother lode of all marks. Read all about their history, and not just on their sites. Read newspaper accounts of Joseph Smith and his former scams before he became a Saint.
Better yet, read the Mormon bible, or The Book of Mormon. Did you know there was a great civilization in the Americas created by the lost tribes of Israel? Or, that no evidence can be found of Smith's claimed, civilization existence despite its greatness?
What your remark concerning the Nazis was about, I have no idea.
Does your shameless defense of intolerance apply to other areas, or just religion? Anything else you are afraid of enough to hate?
I don't recall saying I hated anyone, SS. Your words, not mine. Just because I think their beliefs ridiculous doesn't mean I hate them. I feel the same about some forum trolls, don't you?
Ah, so you are denying religious intolerance on your part?
I am always intolerant of willful ignorance, SS!
I'll take that as yet another manifestation of your religious intolerance. It's a shame that you hold such a HUGE percentage of the world's poplulation in such disdain.
That's a great response. You're an intellectual giant.
No, really, you are. Who else could formulate a brilliant response such as "who cares what you think?"
Where, exactly, is Randy's " shameless defense of intolerance" actually manifest itself?
Just shift your gaze a few inches upward.
Nope, no shameless intolerance there.
I do see quite a bit in your posts though.
Sometimes people don't 'see' things for what they are when they agree with them.
Forgot to add--I could vote for a Republican candidate for president if I found one less crooked than the Democratic options.
The least crooked will not be supported by Fox news!
Oh, just the biggest crooks, then. I see. Now it really makes sense.
Well, there's a rational, carefully-considered position......
Such extremist, irrational nonsense leaves no room for serious discussion and drives the political process toward the kind of polarization so many people b!tch and moan about.
Just a pessimist. I think they're all crooks. No one is excluded. Get what you can while it lasts. Typical rat mentality. Can't blame a rat for being a rat, Right? And the offspring of a crooked rat will probably also be a crooked rat. Excpt of course, for innovators...those who have crooked rat down to a fine art.
While you, on the other hand, spout the wisdom of the ages! Here's a few more for you, Mr. anonymous helper.
this said by a "hubber" who exists on Hubpages just to create confrontations in the forums! and who has not one hub after 4 months here - we're supposed to take your opinion seriously?
Of course, his/her reputation is at stake!
I'm sorry, I must have missed the mega1 rule. How many hubs do I need before I can have an opinion?
Your account and your usage of said account, is no better than what is described as a "sock" puppet. Since, you've chosen to argue on the forums and not write hubs, with the opinions you espouse on the forums, then you are in fact- all talk which creates nothing but conflict, for self pleasure and not for any productive nature.
Just a thought.
I'm curious about forum posters who don't publish hubs.
Hub Pages is a site for writing and offers a forum for it's members who, presumably, are interested in writing. Why would people with no such interest come here and churn the forums?
There are many sites with forums on any possible subject. Why come to HP if you don't wish to write? Are you promoting something?
Hugh - I agree - that's just what I'm curious about - why do people like ShortStory sign on here? This isn't the first time I've come to a forum with the intent to actually discuss something with others and the whole thread is hijacked by someone who just wants to bash - shameful, and the very reason why I seldom join these discussions anymore. Today, I really don't want to leave it and just run away from it. I want to know - Why is this happening? Are these people paid to do this bashing? Or are they looking for a cheap adrenalin rush? Or is there some reason I don't know about? do they think their cheap shots at others are clever? funny? insightful? I think not!
Why?? Well, there's a lot of articles like this online:
"So what's going on? I'm not suggesting that most of the people trying to derail these discussions are paid to do so, though I would be surprised if none were. I'm suggesting that some of the efforts to prevent intelligence from blooming seem to be organised, and that neither website hosts nor other commenters know how to respond.
For his film (Astro)Turf Wars, Taki Oldham secretly recorded a training session organised by a rightwing libertarian group called American Majority. The trainer, Austin James, was instructing Tea Party members on how to "manipulate the medium". This is what he told them: "Here's what I do. I get on Amazon; I type in 'Liberal books'. I go through and I say 'one star, one star, one star'. The flipside is you go to a conservative/ libertarian whatever, go to their products and give them five stars … This is where your kids get information: Rotten Tomatoes, Flixster. These are places where you can rate movies. So when you type in 'Movies on healthcare', I don't want Michael Moore's to come up, so I always give it bad ratings. I spend about 30 minutes a day, just click, click, click, click … If there's a place to comment, a place to rate, a place to share information, you have to do it. That's how you control the online dialogue and give our ideas a fighting chance."
I'm sure not all forum riders are paid trolls, but some evidently are.
http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/view … p;t=126404
thanks for that, Hugh - very enlightening. I am not saying that all sides of the political community don't use these same methods, I suspect they do, but it is so disheartening to try to discuss anything at all and be derailed = immediately! If I can, I will try to ignore from now on those I suspect are trolls.
I just took a look at RealClearPolitics who sponsored the poll the OP cited - two guys basically - Bevan and McIntyre -two guys in the media business of getting attention and selling ads - who are putting forth their opinions (they call it "selections") and other media pick it up if it says what they want and then we are expected to accept what they say is true. I haven't found anything yet that indicates their polls are reliable, respectable and responsible. maybe they are - I don't know - I am just saying that I try not to let polls influence what I think, or who I vote for.
I thought the poll I cited was conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University??
Right! It was founded by Chris Farley and Angie Dickinson, if I'm not mistaken!
Talk to my wife lately?
LOL to the Chris and Angie thing - NOT lol to talking to your wife!! But hey, what are friends for? I might be crying on her shoulder after I get my results on Monday.
Oh, and BTW - Chris didn't even spell his last name correctly!
Glad you guys can console each other! You've both done it enough to know how!
It was his stage name!
Why certainly there are paid political forum trolls. No one would be humiliated as much as they are for nothing.
Circle the wagons! Pile on! That means all your views are 'right'!
I'm not sure what number you're looking for but if it has something to do with legitimizing your thread hijacking, that train's already left the station.
The level of discourse here is so high it is giving me a nosebleed.
It is deep and insightful how much some people want to talk about why I should or should not be allowed to comment rather than actually commenting on anything even remotely related to the topic.
Not as deep and insightful as a Christina Aquilera film, but pretty close.
Rich coming from somebody always quick to move off topic when cornered!
That's the way to get respect for your opinion, SS. Insulting those who actually do write here really helps your cause. Don't write anything, but don't expect anything either.
There are several of your type here already and some even have a few token hubs trying to justify their existence. You know what we are talking about unless you are completely clueless.
Again, I don't recall demanding respect for my opinion. You seem quite focused on the idea though.
you don't NEED any hubs at all, but why should I or anyone else take what you say as meaningful, at all? - and no one actually NEEDS the opinion of someone who shares no information whatsoever about themselves, even in their profile, who doesn't ever state their own opinion and only posts to confront others. No one NEEDS anyone's opinion, but it would be oh so nice to make a statement here without being attacked for being serious about an issue - such as the polls that we are sucked into - Do you want to discuss those polls or just slam the other hubbers posting here? Why are you here?
Similar to what many said about JFK when he was running for president. Did you agree then?
I don't recall JFK being a preacher or religious leader. Of course, like Swaggart and others, he did like female attention. So he might have made a good minister of some sort!
There was quite the hullabaloo when JFK was running for President along exactly the same lines that he would "make his first duty to the church rather than the office." Almost verbatim.
Consider the company your intolerance puts you into.
Ask any preacher who his first duty is to, god or country, SS. What do you think his answer would be? And once again, JFK was not a preacher by any stretch of the imagination.
Huckabee, like some others, has sold himself to the media (Fox) and pursues his politics nationally on TV - making money and getting alot of free press. I think he is despicable - and so are others like Palin and Gingrich who are campaigning and setting themselves up as experts, making themselves into celebs, when they are really just celebrity candidates - they seem so unreal and have an undue influence on a huge population who watch these puppets indiscriminately. This country's political machine has gotten so plastic and absurd - I don't trust any of 'em! The right seems to be counting on the media to sell themselves - but the left uses it too. And those polls - I can't believe in them and I'm always surprised that others really do believe their results are real. Too bad so much of our lives are ruled by these creeps.
We have the option of choosing between the lesser of two weevils!
Are you saying that anyone who gives their opinion on TV is therefore unfit to run for office?
In my opinion, anyone who's on the Fox payroll is unfit for public office--Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich and any others whose names have slipped my so-called mind.
It's not Fox who pulls the strings. A soulless beast controls it all, and makes all presidents say the same thing, just in different ways, while trying to convince us (Quite well, I might add) that one idiom is opposed to the other. That is why we left Iraq according to the original schedule of the previous admin. That is why they still balk on things which have been decided by the supreme court, which the previous admin,. also balked at. That is why we are in Afghanistan, and, by the way, Libya. That is why Guantanamo stays open...jeeez Louise! Don't you guys get it yet?
Just what we need, more conspiracy nonsense...
"We" who? Are you speaking for everyone here or just your fellow sock puppets?
Wouldn't "we" indicate everyone here? Are you saying you DO need more conspiracy nonsense? Does it serve some purpose for you?
Who agreed with you it was conspiracy nonsense to begin with?
So YOU agree that there is a secret, souless beast lurking in the shadows controlling everything and really making all decisions while elected representatives like, say, the President are just puppets used to fool the ignorant masses? Is that what you're saying?
Obviously, you did not come here to discuss the political opinion polls. I ask again, why DID you come here? if not to bash regular hubbers who participate regularly here in the political forums and have different opinions than yours? hmmmmm?
So, am I not allowed to have an opinion because I haven't published a hub yet, or because I might disagree with you? Which is it?
No one said you weren't allowed to have an opinion, did they? But do you actually expect it to be respected? And if so why?
Wow! Talk about bending words!
I can't wait to read your hubs, they'll be absolutely amazing
Was the question too uncomfortable for you?
I'm sorry, was that supposed to be an answer to my question?
Are you the only one here allowed to avoid questions and change the topic?
Here's the one you ignored first "Who agreed with you it was conspiracy nonsense to begin with?"
Oh, I thought that was a hypothetical question. As far as I know, no one has explicitly agreed with me about that. Of course, I wouldn't wait for affirmation to assume that common sense is, well, common, but maybe I gave too much credit.
And of course I answered a question but get no answer to mine...
I tried to find the question you referenced, post it again and I'll give it a shot!
"Do YOU agree that there is a secret, souless beast lurking in the shadows controlling everything and really making all decisions while elected representatives like, say, the President are just puppets used to fool the ignorant masses? Is that what you're saying?"
Not really. but there is a fair share of manipulating our political decisions by the most powerful and richest corporations in the country. Through some facets of the parties, of course, but through the media also.
Now, another question for you. What is your opinion of political forum trolls?
Don't like 'em, but I notice that most of the time the term is really just used to insult and discredit anyone who someone disagrees with. This is particularly the case when 3 or more people on a forum are engaged in 'group think' and hate anyone disturbing the fun of just reinforcing each other's opinions.
And you have proof this is the case, or just your assumption once again? To myself, a political troll here is someone who offers little to this writing site if they cannot produce a comprehensive and well researched hub once in a while.
Many of us here know each other by past interaction and by reading each others hubs and posts. You get to know at least something about the other people by their writing style and subjects. It's difficult for me to believe you really expect to be considered a voice of authority when you haven't shown any evidence of it so far. Sorry, but there it is!
That post proves my point exactly about the term just being used as a cheap way to discredit anyone that someone may disagree with. The one issue obviously has nothing to do with the other. Someone could write 10000000 brilliant hubs and still 'troll' on the forum. Clearly the term is in use here as a transparent attempt to silence views that one may not agree with. THAT is a kind of trolling, I suppose. At the very least it is a childish way of saying, in effect, "You shut up you! We don't like you so we'll call you names!" Very, very playground.
No. Nothing proves your point, Shorty! You come here with nothing but an opinion. I know you don't like it, but you've got to pay your dues before you will be taken seriously on these forums. And even then, you will be disagreed with on some issues and perhaps even ridiculed.
Did you really think you could just pop into these forums and everyone would say "Hey, Shorty said it was true and that's good enough for me"? Wake up dude! Just say "I get it" and write a few hubs of substance and I will be glad to give you the benefit of the doubt. But for all I know, you may be another former troll who shows up, gets banned, shows up again, gets banned and on and on...................into infinity, it seems. Understand now? If not, too bad. I'm tired of trying to enlighten you on this subject. Live long and pasta!
And there you go again with the assumption that I want, demand, or expect anyone's respect, legitimacy, or to be "taken seriously" by strangers whose opinions frankly mean less to me than you keep insisting mine mean to you. Go easy on the self-importance, champ. I think you are in danger of an OD. Save yourself the time and trouble and don't repeat for the 100th time some variation on the theme that I need, want, or expect any kind of validation from the likes of YOU (fer cryin' out loud). Yes, I come here with nothing but an opinion, just like you and everyone else. Nothing else is required, requested, or supplied. That's how a DISCUSSION works. I'm not sure who the hell you think YOU are that you merit anything more but that way lies delusion and self-destructive egotism. Seems you have a real 'clubhouse' mentality going on. Be advised it is nothing but an illusion of your own creation.
So you are an extremist with a closed mind. Are these qualities you admire in those of opposing political view points, or are they just ok for YOU?
Is a slave a slave if the slave doesn't know he is a slave? What makes you think that you are not deluded...most people are deluded in the U.S. That makes you a pawn, expendable to those of the "Higher Purposes". Do you seriously think that I am one of them? Do you believe that certain people in control don't consider you expendable? Why did Revere ride raising the minute men to the British invasion...yeah, yeah, he wasn't alone (neither am I) and some say he didn't do the ride. If some one warns of a threat (and this is a threat) only because you are under the spell of the mesmerizing snake which is in the midst of our garden.
And.......the conspiracy theory train pulls into the station with a fresh supply of nuts...for snacking on...yeah...
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles … -explained
if I was saying, that I would have said that! I said nothing of the sort and you are reading into and distorting what I said.
so to be clear: I'm saying that people who have regular shows or are regular guests on shows on radio and tv in order to sell their candidacy for public office are "celebrity candidates" and people should beware of them and what they say - especially when they are attacking opposition office holders or candidates. They will say they are "experts" and say anything they want to about their opponents and it seems no one holds them accountable.
If you, and others, have an actual opinion about this - why don't you state it instead of asking questions that distort what others say?
Thanks, Habee for the polling data. That's an interesting site. Here's a link to my HubPages poll--http://hubpages.com/hub/Who-will-be-the-Republican-Presidential-Nominee-in-2012
You may well see a blizzard in Hell before you see me cite Michelle Malkin -
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/29/vi … ce-ambush/
But here's why Huchabee can't be elected. Any time a felon pretended conversion to Christianity, Governor Huchabee granted absolution and CLEMENCY. His release rate as governor was ridiculously high. I quote huffington post -
"Huckabee, who served as governor of Arkansas from 1996-2007, has a history of supporting pardons and commuting sentences of violent offenders. According to ABC News, Huckabee granted pardons and commutations to approximately 12 convicted murderers.
A study by the Arkansas Leader showed that between 1996 and 2004, Huckabee helped to free more Arkansas prisoners than were freed from all of Arkansas' six neighboring states--combined.
In 2004, The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette concluded that "9 percent of the prisoners who benefited from Huckabee's clemencies ended up in prison again."
Huckabee's pardons and commuted sentences as governor earned him extra attention during his bid for the Republican nomination in the 2008 presidential race. In 2007, Huffington Post published documents that contradicted Huckabee's story about the release of convicted serial-rapist Wayne Dumond in 1999. After Dumond was released from prison, he raped and murdered a 39-year-old woman and allegedly raped and murdered a pregnant 23-year-old woman before he was arrested and returned to prison..."
Huchabee can't divorce his political decisions from his religion. That makes him a sucker for any con that pretends Christian conversion.
short story - I just checked your profile you have no hubs and 2 followers who joined 4 months ago? and now I wonder - did you join just to make political non-statements? Oh well, live and learn.
I'm touched that everyone is so concerned with my progress on getting hubs published. Thank you. It's even more moving to see that only those who disagree with my opinions seem to show this concern. It just goes to show that we can transcend our differences to help our fellow man.
A few should be ready soon.
really looking forward to some insightful, profound and meaningful hubs about your wisdom
Wow, that's 4 or 5 posts now about my progress posting hubs. You must really care about me! Thank you. I'll be sure to let you know as soon as I've finished my first one so you can review it for me.
but seriously = those polls they quote on TV - not just on Fox, but every time any TV people quote a poll - why are we supposed to believe them? they seldom say what poll and which people were polled, and if you look at the way the question's wording are skewed, who can give them any real weight?
I mean we have to be vigilant when people are using the TV and Radio selling tools to sell us ideas and political people to represent us - they can, and do, say anything they want. No doubt this is where some of the unbelievably self-righteous arguers get their ideas, people who sign into HP to confront others in the forums. and to campaign against the "far left" - another joke. It makes these political forums meaningless and simply a tool to give the politically naive an adrenalin rush. seriously. Maybe O'Reilly employs these sock puppets?
as if anyone could be serious here!
Actually, if you pay attention, most of the polls referenced do indicate the sample and the margin of error. If people are just too lazy to pay attention and weigh for themselves the various different polls conducted and their sources that's their fault. Hopefully those people will stay at home smoking dope on election day and remain irrelevant.
Please note the above post ON the actual topic.
So when was the topic the smoking of dope?
Shorty doesn't like you referencing his posts like that, John. He's trying to build a rep here, doncha know!
once again a thread on a political subject has been sabatoged and degraded in to a niggling exchange between hubbers who should know better than to pay any attention to drivelers who come here to distract, annoy and hijack. and worse, I have been caught in the trap too. Now I am going to go spit and b**Tch awhile in private and hopefully never again deign to give credence to any more of those jerks who are definitely limiting (to say the least) hub forum talk. have a good evening, people, and try not to get pulled into the sock-puppet jiggle anymore, ok?
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