What if, as Donald Trump alluded to on the Today Show recently, President Obama has pulled off the biggest scam in America's history by being elected President of the United States without being a United States citizen?
What made you think we needed yet another thread about this? It's been done to death by all the usual suspects.
jeezus tap-dancing christ.
Google "obama's birth certificate" and see that it has already been shown to the world.
Then type in "Donald Trump's Birth certificate" and see that they look similar.
Then realize that it's a complete waste of time to worry about this crap.
Now let's look at how the president just destroyed freedom for those individuals held up in Gitmo, and how he declared war on a foreign country without an act of congress.
Those are a BIT more important than a god damned sheet of paper.
I find it very hard to believe that someone could be elected President without being properly vetted.
That said, I do not understand Obama's decision not to release the birth certificate, except for my own suspicion that it in fact lists him as Caucasian since his mother was white......
Because presidents of countries don't respond to tabloid claims.
The tea baggers really need to get a clue and put forth some real issues to tackle like the 113 trillion dollar deficit and the pending default of america.
Thanks for that! I have heard many people say that they believe he was born in Hawaii (thus making him perfectly eligible to run for president) but that they thought he was covering something up. For the life of me I could not think of anything that could be on there to cover up other then if he was born in the states or not. It's not likely to say he was born with a forked tail and other demonic characteristics so couldn't get what people were suspicious of, this sort of makes sense. Not lots of sense mind you, we all know he is half white, no big state secret there but if the whole black thing was an important thing for him/the party, then I guess I can see something to cover up.
It could also show the name of Barry soetoro, and then link him to receiving foreign aide for college? he also has not released any school records, essays etc... very strange. I do believe he was born here but hiding something and I think everyone needs to know. not like the fools who are saying he doesn't have to show anything! he is not your garbage man he holds the highest office in this country.
The short form certificate of birth has been examined and validated by the governor of Hawaii in 2008. Hawaii's birth records are inconsistent if you go back to the early years of its statehood (Hawaii became a state in 1959), and attempts to consolidate and simplify birth records have only made things worse.
For one thing, the entire birther premise is illogical. Why would Obama's mother travel 10,000 miles to a third-world country with poor health care to give birth to a child, only to travel back to Hawaii within 5 days (with the newborn infant) to fake documents and make it appear that the child was born in the state? Embarrassment because the child was mixed-race? Doubt it, since she married his black father in a public ceremony months earlier.
The final part of your post is just flat-out wrong. The birther premise (that Obama was not born in the United States) would only prevent him from being eligible to become president. He did not need to be born in the United States to be a United States citizen. He was a U.S. citizen by default because his parent was a U.S. citizen. That's what makes the birther premise so illogical. The only reason Obama's mother would have had for faking documents to make her son appear to have been born in Hawaii would be so he would be eligible to become president some day. Given that he was born a mixed-race child before the Civil Rights movement really took off, I doubt his mother was seriously considering the possibility that he'd have a chance to be president.
McCain was also not born in the US, but in Panama. Funny how the birthers didn't point that out.
He was the child of two U.S. citizens born on a U.S. military base.
I'll let you figure out the rest.
And it was brought up, by democrats, too stupid to figure out what it meant.
Actually, no. He was born off the base. Check it out.
Born on Coco Solo Naval air station.
Nice try though.
Are you still doing this Jim when you know that two separate newspaper articles reported the Obama birth and that that is proof in and of itself?
Am I still doing what?
I believe Obama was born in Hawaii.
I believe he is a citizen.
The question is does the original birther believe it?
You know, Hillary Clinton.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … /born-usa/
Born off base at the Coco Solo Family Hospital.
Not that I care.
If he had been elected I wouldn't have batted an eyelash at any of this crap. But if you had any consistency, you would have.
From your source
"First, both his parents are U.S. citizens. The First Congress in 1790 established that children of U.S. citizens "born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
Not to mention, the Panama Canal zone was sovereign U.S. territory.
Whether he was born on base or off is irrelevant.
And nowhere in that article is their proof that McCain was born off base.
You were making the case he was born on base. If it wasn't relevant, what was your point?
I stand by my statement.
He was born on base.
Can you provide proof he was born off base?
If not why are you posting?
I was born off base and my birth certificate does not reflect that.
Nor should it matter, two citizens are out of country for reasons of government utility, whether its a taxi cab, a local hospital that is better equipped than the Base,or the floor of the latrine. One is more "natural born" than the other in a way that actually matters to you?
The height on my drivers license is the one I filled in.
You fail to see the relevance?
Let me spell it out for you.
The guy thought it made a difference that he was born off base.
I corrected him and said he was born on base.
He posted proof that he was born off base, because you see it mattered to him.
The only problem is his proof was nonexistent.
Now run along and find a thread easier for you to follow.
There was a bit of a controversy about that. The difference between the McCain issue and the Obama issue is this:
When McCain (or his representatives) explained that yes, he was born outside the boundaries of the US proper, he was born to US parents one of whom was serving, yadda yadda long story short, he counts as a natural born US citizen. And the folks asking said, "Oh. Okay, then." Like intelligent people do when someone explains why their concern is a non-issue.
The Obama birthers didn't do that when Obama (or his representatives) showed his birth certificate.
they did and he showed everything just before the election...where were you? the democratic party brought it up and he disclosed.
Would people actually be questioning this if he was NOT African American.
I surely doubt it!
he is half white! why do people forget this?? The reason for me is that he went to that church for 20 years and lied and said he never heard reverend Wright speak like that but he dedicated a book to him and said prior and in the book that he is his mentor. Wright is Anti-American remember GOD-DAM- AMERICA! he associates with known communist and socialist. In his book anyone who reads it can clearly see why he does what he does, apologizing to other countries etc... This is the Highest office in the nation and believe everything should be open with someone like this. Would you vote for someone who was part of the KKK into president? I would not! he preaches transparency but all his records are sealed...something smells.
Come on now, let's be honest......if John McCain had won and there were similar questions about his birth certificate, you can bet the left would be falling all over themselves for him to simply produce it and end the discussion (and rightfully so).
There is nothing wrong with the American people wanting to know that their President was born in the country he is leading (or in Obama's case, "ruling")
Can't believe this is still being talked about, but it shows the brilliance of Obama as a politician.
As more people show themselves willing to abandon reason in this debate, Obama has provided the same documentatin that all presidents have provided. He is letting more and more people marginalize themselves as ideological sychophants, and if he does choose to put it to bed on their terms, they will have a huge mountain to overcome in a pursuit of any kind of political significance. They are playing into his hands.
Why do we think the woman who worked for the Hawaiian government and has seen the long form verified its authenticity? There is no evidence that she has benefitted by this testimony, and she stands to lose her reputation if it is found out she is lying. She had no authority to release it for public consumption, but has stated on the record that she has seen it, twice, and validated it.
The birthers, on the other hand, have released multiple forgeries in an attempt to undermine the president, each time being found out as the clumsy amateurs that they are.
You're being set up, guys, and it will be a hard fall with brutal political fallout.
Just so you don't think I ran away I will inform you that I am going to work now.
Please entertain the rest with articles from Politifact.
We all know how factual they are.
Pres. Obamas sister is pretty! "She calls Trumps birther rant a shame!"
"In her first prime time interview, Maya voices her opinion about the way Donald Trump has handled the Obama birthplace rant. "Well, I think it's a shame," she says. "And I think that my brother should definitely be president for a second term."
"I think that it is time for people to put that to bed, to put it to rest completely." She says there is a tremendous amount of proof Obama was born in Hawaii.
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/0 … me/?hpt=tv
Yep, all except for that pesky birth certificate....
Which has been produced. You can keep pretending it hasn't, or keep pretending it's not an "official" birth certificate, but it only makes you look foolisher and foolisher as time goes on.
1) like I care what any liberal thinks.
2) You know as well as I do that this would be just as much of an issue for the left if it were a Republican in office. At least be intellectually honest enough to admit what is oh so obvious.
Honestly, if someone had come out and said Bush wasn't born in America I wouldn't have cared that much. I was more interested in his policies and decisions than where he was or wasn't born. But then he's white and I'm not a racist, so...
Oh, so demanding that our President be qualified to hold the office is now racist? Must've missed the memo on that one....
No, but ignoring his birth certificate when it was presented in 2008, and then ignoring the guarantees from numerous officials that it is real and insisting he must have been born in Kenya is fairly racist.
Can you please show me a single post where I accused the man of being born i Kenya? I didn't think so.
In fact I am on record in numerous threads stating that I believe he is a natural born US citizen.
And no, his birth certificate has not been presented.....
I was not specifically referring to you. I don't know you, I don't know whether you're a racist or not and in fact you surely know about it better than I do.
His birth certificate has been presented. Go and look at it on Wikipedia if you like (here's the URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Barac … Hawaii.jpg and yes, the live birth certificate does count, numerous Hawaiian officials have already confirmed this). Hawaii's director of public health has also made this statement:
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008, over eight months ago."
Sorry but the link you provide shows the birth certificate of an unnamed female!
Unnamed female? Maybe there's something Obama isn't telling us....now THAT'S a conspiracy theory worth reading....
The link I get says Obama, but there are no signatures, no footprints, it's not a birth certificate.
Strange, when I went back it was indeed Obama's certificate!
It is a certificate. Hawaii does not release "long form" certificates. How many times do Hawaiian officials have to state this?
What, intellectually honest enough to agree that it is a none issue, that he has in fact shown his birth certificate?
"2) You know as well as I do that this would be just as much of an issue for the left if it were a Republican in office. At least be intellectually honest enough to admit what is oh so obvious."
Nonsense. There was an issue with McCain's place of birth, if you'll recall. When it was explained that yes, he's a natural born US citizen and here's why, the Left said, "Oh, okay then" and let it go like people who will listen to facts and are willing to learn from them.
Make up your mind: is intellectual honesty important to you, or isn't it?
That's because there was nothing to argue. If McCain had won the Presidency and been pressed for truth (which we all KNOW he would have), he would have provided the proof.
Obama has not done that. I personally believe he was born in Hawaii as he claims, which makes it all the more mysterious as to why he doesn't just end the discussion....
How many times does he actually have to produce his BC before you deign to notice it?
Perhaps once, which he has yet to do......
"In 2008, the Obama campaign released his birth certificate, certified by the Hawaii Department of Health, and posted a scanned image of it online. The posted certificate states. The certificate also states, "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding". Frequent arguments of those questioning Obama's eligibility are that he has not released a photocopy of his "original" or "long form" birth certificate, but rather a redacted "short form" version. It has also been claimed that the use of the term "certification of live birth" on the document means it is not equivalent to one's "birth certificate". These arguments have been debunked numerous times by media investigations, every judicial forum that has addressed the matter, and Hawaiian government officials—a consensus of whom have concluded that the certificate released by the Obama campaign is indeed his official birth certificate."
Thanks to Dingdon on another thread.
Then why can nobody seem to come up with it?
My ex wife has been delivering babies for 25 years, she's worked on more than her share of birth certificates. I'm pretty inclined to believe someone in her position who tells me "That is not the birth certificate"
If this were a conspiracy to hide the fact he was not born in Hawaii it would have to include the State of Hawaii Vital Statistics bureau who posted the notice of birth almost 50 years ago.
Do you really think they were involved?
I don't think there's anything for him to hide. Which is why I find it fascinating that he allows the subject to keep gaining steam when he could so easily deflate it....
Kind of takes his detractors off of what they should be railing against.
This is not the issue to attack him on.
His utter incompetence is where they should be hitting.
I wouldn't agree with utter incompetence but every thing else you say on this has my vote.
"Perhaps once, which he has yet to do......"
That is false, as has been demonstrated again, and again, and again.
Continuing to pretend that this silly assertion has not been proven wrong is evidence of deliberate mendacity or stark staring stupidity.
I might say the same thing about your apparent inability to recognize what is and is not a birth certificate......
You could, but it would just be the equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "Is not, is not, lalalalalala I'm not listening."
And once again, it's brought home to me the futility of trying to teach a pig to sing: it wastes your time, and annoys the pig.
the question surrounding Pres. Obamas BC is "moot"
How enjoyable to read all the responses above. Being a Libra myself, I enjoy hearing both sides of an issue. I do not believe this issue is going to go away any time soon.
I would never dispute the arrogance of Donald Trump, but that does not dim his ability to make billions of dollars. And if he runs, he will probably get elected. Americans love actors and billionaires.
President Obama has already got the job, if he has the real deal birth certificate, why not just show it and put the issue to rest once and for all?
Trump is a circus act, and he'll never get elected president. His ability to make billions of dollars stems from him inheriting a huge sum of money from his father, who was also a real estate mogul. Trump has built huge companies, mismanaged and bankrupted them, then built them up again. Boom and bust may be what Trump prefers for his personal finances, but it does not fit in with the economic goals that this country should have. We're talking about a man who tried to argue in court that his company didn't have to pay its creditors during his most recent bankruptcy hearing (this was in 2009) because the global financial crisis was "an act of God".
and we're talking about a man who makes issues out of nothing at all, LOL.
If you really wanted to make the whole 'Born in the USA' thing universal Arnold Swartznegger would be ineligible to be Governor as he did of California. Get with it gentlemen!
The laws governing California's gubernatorial candidates and those governing presidential candidates are not the same.
And the Terminator, Govenor S., has ruined Cally for nee ya and is going after court reporters' jobs and wants access to pension plans.
Is this still alive? I mean the post, let us divert our attention to more productive things
Obama told ABC News's George Stephanopoulos that he was born in Hawaii and "doesn't have horns," stressing that birthers just makes the GOP look bad in the long run.
"There's been an effort to go at me in a way that is politically expedient in the short term for Republicans but creates I think a problem for them when they want to actually run in the general election, where most people feel pretty confident the President was born where he says he was, in Hawaii," Obama said.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic … z1Jb8kPJ00
Seriously, even an ordinary citizen applying for a job, they have to check the SS number, credit check, criminal records etc...how much more to the highest position in the land, are our intelligence, political and interest group parties that stupid to let him run for Pres. without verifying this??
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