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The Beginning of the End of the Tea Party

  1. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago

    "..._Worst of all, this is a vision that says even though America can't afford to invest in education or clean energy; even though we can't afford to care for seniors and poor children, we can somehow afford more than $1 trillion in new tax breaks for the wealthy. Think about it. In the last decade, the average income of the bottom 90% of all working Americans actually declined. The top 1% saw their income rise by an average of more than a quarter of a million dollars each. And that's who needs to pay less taxes? They want to give people like me a two hundred thousand dollar tax cut that's paid for by asking thirty three seniors to each pay six thousand dollars more in health costs? That's not right, and it's not going to happen as long as I'm President.

    ...There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. There's nothing courageous about asking for sacrifice from those who can least afford it and don't have any clout on Capitol Hill. And this is not a vision of the America I know."

    President Barak Obama

    1. earnestshub profile image89
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is the most articulate intelligent president America has seen for a long time.
      Most of the developed world are well pleased America has a decent honest man in the seat. Australia loves him, as he actually knows something about us and other countries apart from America.
      I believe he will see another term.

      1. DannyMaio profile image61
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I guess you think Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Swiss, China are not developed countries? These countries think he is a joke! The man knows nothing about running a country, Foreign affairs are a joke as just stated, Bows down and weak to Muslim Leaders. I have an Idea why don't you make him your President! NOWAY he gets a second term! I guess you are blind also not seeing what the country said in the last election.

        1. Doug Hughes profile image60
          Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Danny - Obama is not running against himself. You have to come up with a candidate. Right now the front runner is a gazilionare, birther, real-estate tycoon who has never held office. The other front runner is a Mormon the evangelicals won't accept who passed Obamacare on a state level before Obama was elected. In short - you got nuttin'!

          1. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            either has Obama and he makes Bush look good! Trump would be a very good president! all the fools who say he has declared Bankruptcy and can not run his own companies do not have the slightest clue what they are talking about, you use the laws to succeed and that is what he has done, he starts different companies and in the end he comes out smelling like roses! If Obama ran a business like he runs this country he would have been bankrupt in 5 months! you people are wishful thinking and talking BS that the TP is imploding, I laugh when I hear that. they just caused the biggest defeat in over 70 years and gain so many seats and you guys talk $hit. funny

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              They have basketball games and elections for the same reason - to see who can put more points on the board.

              The TP was elected to do a job - and they aren't doing it. There have been no moves by the House to create jobs. They have gone after unions and  women (Planned Parenthood) and public broadcasting. It's like they are pursuing a vendeta - and to hell with the country.

              They stepped ona mine today - they went after Medicare. That's where the GOP base is. Obama will fight to preserve Medicare and the GOP voted today to throw seniors to the lions.

              Big ooops.

              1. MPChris profile image80
                MPChrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I agree. The Senior Vote, and those about to become seniors, might see this a bit differently than your 30-something who wears a tri-corner hat.

              2. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                They did not go after woman, stop the BS they didn't look to shut them down only stop giving taxpayer money! the same with NPR that is a one sided news organization and you want tax payers money to fund this? please if Fox received federal funds you would be screaming. Believe what you want you know the TP is here to stay! where is that bet Mr. know it all? I just found a air France ticket from heath-row to Paris and a train tick the same time, was not my last trip but from 10/09 make a bet big shot know it all.

              3. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                obviously you do not read very well, Show me where in the budget that the seniors will not get SS or medicare? the system is broke, do you understand that? they are revamping for people 45 and younger. please read and do not spew that MCNBC/ socialist nonsense. Obamas budget actually takes away part of medicare how come you did not mention that?

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh come on Danny, you don't even know the difference between Americans and Brits. How can you cope with anything complicated.

                  1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    John.. isn't the airport in England Heathrow - not heath-row. To his credit Danny spelled Paris right. If you were reading off the ticket, couldn't you spell it right?

              4. DTR0005 profile image84
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I can well imagine the gray-haired crowd getting dresses up and heading to the polls in 2012.Going after Medicare was a big oops.

            2. Barbara Kay profile image85
              Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It's fine to talk against Obama, but it is getting too obvious that the Republicans just want to line the pockets of the rich at the expense of the poor.

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                that is socialist nonsense! this country was built on you can also make millions if your hungry enough. there are too many lazy people looking for handouts! I helped my South American Landscaper get a mortgage years ago, this man was so hungry he has 3 houses 2 he rents out and lives in the other, has broken English and living the American dream. this man works his tail off landscaping and in the winter he does basements and snow removal. that is someone who deserves what he earns. We became friends and he thanks me for helping him. this is what America is!

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Danny, your landscaper is poor, he owns three houses! Probably about the size of the rich persons garage!

                  1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The idea that in America anyone can become a millionaire (which is true) has been spun to the concept that everyone can become a millionaire (which is false).

                    The idea that those who don't become rich in America are defectives unworthy  of assistance is cruel and a slight on the ideals this country was founded on.

                2. Barbara Kay profile image85
                  Barbara Kayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you a millionaire? I bet not or you wouldn't be hanging out here.

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Obviously you have bad impressions of people. why wouldn't someone who has struggled when growing up and made it through hard work not be a regular person? why wouldn't someone who is a millionaire be on here? Please explain, I would really like to hear this.

            3. I am DB Cooper profile image68
              I am DB Cooperposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Trump runs many of his businesses poorly. His greatest asset is his name, which he sells out to other businesses to give them a mark of prestige and luxury. He knows he can make huge gambles because he'll never personally go bankrupt as long as he has his name to sell.

              Trump is a millionaire because of hard work... by his father, from whom he inherited his fortune. I'm not sure how any of Trump's business "skills" will apply to leading this country. Trump's idea of showing off American exceptionalism is gold-plating the White House.

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Trump knows how business works and has made tons of money. he used the system well, He never claimed bankruptcy personally, just some businesses. He is a Leader, what ever you feel about him he is a leader and knows how to get things done. If he was such a bad businessman why is he a billionaire? you do not get to that level without being smart. Yes his father gave him the start but I know many people who took over their fathers companies and went under and are broke now. He built it up to a astronomical level. He would be much better than the last two presidents.

                1. I am DB Cooper profile image68
                  I am DB Cooperposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Well of course he never claimed bankruptcy personally, that's part of the reason why people incorporate their businesses. Trump tends to separate his businesses so if one fails the others won't have to pay for it. His most recent business bankruptcy was in 2009. He tried to claim in bankruptcy court that this particular business shouldn't have to pay its creditors because the worldwide financial crisis was "an act of God".

                  Trump inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his father. His personal wealth has fluctuated from the millions to the billions, back and forth since then. Stable growth is not a term I would use to describe his finances. He has tried (unsuccessfully) to sue anyone who estimates his personal wealth below $500 million, as he believes it damages his image and the Trump brand.

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                    CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I agree with you 100%. Just what our country needs, a man who has filed bankruptcy more than once for president. When a real working American files for bankruptcy our credit is screwed for awhile but if you're a corporation or rich you get a slap on the hand.

        2. recommend1 profile image71
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You are quite wrong - most everybody outside the US either likes him or has no opinion except that anybody is better than Bush.  It is the US itself that is the laughing stock, with foreign policies exposed as cynical attempts at controlling world trade and oil,  your politics and media the most inherently corrupt in the 'developed' world.

          Most people outside the US cannot imagine how one man could possibly sort out the mess, especially with the primeval level of political awareness in your population, the dumbing down of education and the habit of living in constant debt that is as enslaving as iron chains.

          1. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ok I do travel to many countries and speak to people. Please I know from experience. The UK many laugh, France even more, Swiss a lot think he is a joke, Italy and Germany see him as weak, China also.

            1. Maembe profile image60
              Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The only thing I've heard from Europeans is that he's too far to the Right.

              1. DTR0005 profile image84
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I have heard and read the same thing.

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                  CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  There has also been a lot of protesting with the Europeans fighting for some of the same things we're fighting for like higher taxes on the rich. You can go to US Uncut & see what other countries are protesting.

              2. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I deal with many in Europe(business people) and it is totally the opposite. they feel he is weak. Many said they have great confidence he is a socialist. Like I stated if you read his books(even though he did not write both of them, the first is done so Professionally and the second could not have been done by the same person) they clearly show his mindset. his record as a senator was far left and of course he can not get everything done right away without having a chance for another 4 years. He is definitely not to right or even close to center.

                1. lovemychris profile image79
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So what the hell are tax cuts for trillionaires???

                  Socialism?
                  Let me guess.....communists believe the rich are deserving of even more of the common fund?

                  Actually,....come to think of it.... it IS socialism!
                  So you see--I geuss he IS a leftist.
                  He believes in socialism for the rich. Just like you. smile smile

                  I think you are bluffing.
                  Nobody liked the cowboy politics of Bushco and Marshall Cheney.

                  Obama is very much in the center. You are just too far right to understand.

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    WHAT TAX CUTS? YOU want to RAISE the riches taxes who already pay 70% of all taxes! You do not seem to realize that if you tax these people they will not hire and probably fire people to make up the difference and they will not expand either! they may even leave or move the company to another country like many have already! THAT LINE IS A SOCIALIST LINE!!! tax cut for the rich! be honest you want to tax them more! like I said they pay 70% already how much do you want them to pay???? I guess you are blind and did not see S&P downgraded us to NEGATIVE from stable! you people better wake up!

                  2. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi love,

                    Trillionaires? Today that is funny. But with the coming inflation it will be normal.

                    I understand that J. Carter is a very strong Obama supporter. he is so thankful that he is no longer the worst president in US history. From my perspective the Obama presidency is the second Carter term.

            2. thisisoli profile image64
              thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Danny, again, i am English, nobody liked bush, and we were all glad to see Obama get elected. We were actually stunned to see Bush get a second term. 

              From the way you speak I actually doubt you travel as much as you say you do, and if you have travelled to those countries you must not have actually spoken to the people.

              If you are seeing anti-obama statements in the paper then chances are you are looking at a paper owned by an American.  If you actually talk to the British people - you will soon find out what they think.

              From my own experience travelling around Europe, which I have done extensively, the sentiment is exactly the same.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I felt the same way.
                The first time driving in my car and hearing Obama speak, I was stunned too; "Is that our president?"

                ...Being so used to the spit and anger and putting people down unintelligent hehe eheh hehe talk of Bush.

                I couldn't believe we actually had a calm, intelligent funny man in that position.

                But not to worry--the Baggers have stepped in where ElBushbo left off. *sigh* sad

                1. DannyMaio profile image61
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I did not like Bush either, you heard me state this a million times. and talk is cheap!! you can buy his lies! and the first one started when he said he did not hear reverend wright speak that way after going to his church for 20 years and dedicated a book to him and said he is a mentor! Sorry I do not want an Anti-American has my president who believes in wealth distribution! that is socialism and that was not what this country was founded on and what made this country great! why don't you move to Europe if you want that? we were never built on those ideologies and don't want to change what made us great. as far as your other post I can show you a list of democrats 10 times larger getting free $hit from the taxpayers! you conveniently left those out!

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Look at you!
                    Calling out Reverand Wright, while at the same time calling your president anti-American!

                    Oh, and the one I saw call him that too--was Oliver North.
                    This one, of ALL people! After he lied to Congress,shredded documents, and was involved in an illegal war which was funded by gun and drug smuggling. FACTS, not conjecture!

                    And he still walks the streets!

                    You have a funny way of defining anti-American.
                    As per ususal, it's ideology uber alles.

              2. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Now your going to tell me I do not communicate with people in Europe? Son I travel a lot and deal with many business people in London alone. Swiss and Germany a lot also. France, Italy. China and Japan. Like I stated 7 out of 10 people in London Canary Wharf area think he is not very good. I will be back in London the last of June or July, would you be willing to bet me if we take a survey outside the train station at Canary wharf? I'm talking about business people not students of people who take from the government for a living. Even John an admitted Socialist said sure those people don't like him, they are the bankers etc... put your money where your mouth is.

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Danny, I have no objection to you quoting me, however I strongly object to you twisting my quote to suit your agenda.

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    oh so now your denying you said that? I can clearly go back to you stating that of course the people that work in canary wharf believes like that? are you sure you want to go there? you did not state that?

              3. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi this,

                A Brit who emigrated to the US told me that GB is clearly a socialist country. Was he wrong?

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, he was wrong.

                  Although the UK does have some aspects of socialism that the present right wing government is trying its hardest to eradicate, fundamentally we are a capitalist country.

                  You only have to look to your own businesses which have branches in the UK to see that there is no way we are a socialist country.
                  Feel free to come and set up a business in the UK, you'll find the government may not go out of its way to help you but neither will they tell you that you can't do it.

                  Personally, I think we have things about right here, I could not bear to live in the US and be faced with the poverty and abject squalor that many of your citizens are forced to live in.

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Our citizens do not have to live in the streets, we have section 8 welfare, medicaid etc... most people who live on the streets are drug and alcohol addicts or mental issues. we also have shelters and food centers. You have no clue what you are talking about! I seen homeless in the UK, why? like I said our poor have air condition, cell phones TV and many other things many other countries do not have.

                  2. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi John,

                    Thanks for your thoughtful points. As I have time I shall do more research. Perhaps we can continue so I gain a better appreciation of your country's economic model.

                    You did write this, "Personally, I think we have things about right here, I could not bear to live in the US and be faced with the poverty and abject squalor that many of your citizens are forced to live in'

                    Do you believe your view of us is about right? If your belief is true then why would so many people work so hard to get here legally and illegally?

        3. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Actually been following American politics for 35 years. smile
          I suppose you would prefer the talking in tongues Pailin and the goof with the dead rodent strapped to his head. lol

        4. earnestshub profile image89
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Where did you come up with that? If you are a typical bagger I doubt you would even know where those countries are!
          Obama is well liked by all of them.

        5. John Holden profile image59
          John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Danny, one right wing journalist does not speak for the whole of Britain.

          1. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Right just one! you can go on youtube and pull up pages, but I guess in your world it is one! My next trip to the UK i will bring back the papers and scan and download for you, just one.... god!

            1. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Oh well, you obviously know far better than I do how my fellow country men think, why should I bother arguing with you!

              By the way, would you like countless refs on youtube to how stupid Americans are? I don't believe them, but they are there.

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                they say that also, and yes we do have some very stupid people here! It is true, look at our news and you can see it clearly. I was talking about Obama you know the person who holds the highest office in our country, not some random people. and the youtube ref i was speaking about is your news doing the reporting!

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  OK,put up then,lets see your youtube effort then.

                  1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Why do I doubt that Danny as ever been out of the US....

                  2. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this
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          CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The Tea Party keeps talking about the 2010 Elections while neglecting the present. Polls show TP support is down. We will never vote a TP into the White House now that everyone can see the racist & hatred in them. Koch Bros have to pay the TP & GOP to do their dirty work. Go to kochbrosexposed.com & watch what they & the Walton Family (Wal-Mart) have in common. Oh, Michelle Bachmann, stay out of the bushes!

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Eh, they neglected the 2008 election too! wink
            Kind of like horses with the blinders on.
            Run Run RUUUN.

            Don't look behind. Just Forward. Don't see the mistakes. Just make them again and again and again.

            And that sounds like a good video. smile

          2. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            keep believing the nonsense! you and everyone else said the same thing in November, how did that work out for you? expect even more the next time because Obama keeps making things even worse! take those blinders off. It truly is not too hard to see. And I'm not a TP member or will ever be one! I'm a true conservative democrat. The Democratic party has been infiltrated by socialist, and as I stated the TP is trying to infiltrate the republicans. stop watching MSNBC it will do you good.

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              CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              you don't know what i said in 2010 but i will tell you, i told people the tea baggers are all working for the koch bros & if they voted them in they would regret it, hello present day your support is down, fyi msnbc is real news & fox is sci/fi news

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                If you think MSNBC is real news I truly have nothing to say to you! LMAO

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                  CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Spoken like a true TP & Republican, if we don't agree with you. Everyone knows FOX is a joke!

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    sorry I'm not a TP person and actually a democrat. when someone disagrees with your nonsense they are wrong! sorry I speak the truth, MSNBC doesn't have the lowest rating for nothing! they are biased way more than FOX. fox leans right no doubt but they have real people from both sides and speak much more truth than MSNBC and some other stations! you do not get high rating for BS. face the facts. stop lying to yourself.

          3. sn53Anon profile image61
            sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Clake,

            You wrote, " We will never vote a TP into the White House now that everyone can see the racist & hatred in them."

            I have seen the local footage of Tea Party rallies. They were positive, civil, and clean. They even picked up their trash before the left the rally. Are you sure you didn't (briefly) dip into the democratic play book for your comment?

            1. lovemychris profile image79
              lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Look who's talking!
              CLASSIC righty-spew...even down to the "we picked up, you dirty slobs."

              Cult of Superiority.

              1. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi love,

                Did you have a different experience?

                1. lovemychris profile image79
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I haven't been to any rally's, bagger or otherwise. But another righty poster mentioned the same thing you did, after she read it on a right-wing blog.

                  Torch--pass it on. "dirty slobs" socialists" "anti-American" "lazy" "not born here"
                  ...it's getting quite predictable, really. That's why I suggested you have lunch with the Queen! smile

                  (she's used to being bored to sleep)

                  1. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi love,

                    So you haven't actually seen any rallies. I have. We have had several Tea Party Rallies in the town I live in. I watched a minute or two on a local news station. They were clean cut, civil, and yes, they picked up the trash.

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              CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi 53anon,

              If what you say is true then why is Bachmann & other so-called TP presidential candidates catering to hate groups & they don't care who knows it. What happend to going after Wall Street , the bank bailouts & jobs? So far its been about abortion, NPR, EPA, Gay marriage, cutting Medicare, SS, Education, busting unions & workers rights. Can't leave out the e-mail that TP from CA set depicting our President Obama as a monkey. I'm sure  African Americans really loved that. Need I say more!

              1. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi CLake,

                You write, "why is Bachmann & other so-called TP presidential candidates catering to hate groups. . ."

                Who? Specifically?

                Why do you think anyone concerned about the excesses of government should go after the targets of socialist/Marxists?

                I do not understand why you believe that conservatives, in or out of the Tea Party, should have any concerns about targeting the same groups of people that you do.

                I completely agree in destroying the government unions. They should be made illegal. Today is a good day to do so. Tomorrow is okay if it is too late to do it today.

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                  CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  How about the conservatives in Iowa who hate Gays & pretend to be Pro-Life. If  you claim to be Pro-Life why does your party want to cut benefits for seniors &  the poor. For someone who supports this party how are you missing all the stupid bills they passed in the House & not the Senate. I see you didn't respond to the ?'s about what the GOP & TP ran on in 2010. What happened to going after Wall Street, bank bailouts & jobs, jobs, jobs? I love how you turn a blind eye when polls are not in your favor.

                  1. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi CL,

                    You wrote,  "How about the conservatives in Iowa who hate Gays & pretend to be Pro-Life."

                    How about them? Are they major figures in a political party?
                    How do you know they are conservatives?
                    How do you know they hate anyone?
                    How do you know they are pretending to be pro-life?

                    "If  you claim to be Pro-Life why does your party want to cut benefits for seniors &  the poor."

                    Are you asking how if I can prefer that women not kill their babies, I can, at the same time believe that people have responsibilities to take care of themselves? is that the question you are asking?

                    "For someone who supports this party how are you missing all the stupid bills they passed in the House & not the Senate."

                    What specifically? Which bills are stupid?  Do you believe that all bills that originate in the House will be passed in their Senate version? Has that ever happened in the history of this country?

                    "I see you didn't respond to the ?'s about what the GOP & TP ran on in 2010."

                    Perhaps I did not see anything to respond to. If you reply to this with your specific complaints I will happily look into them. The Tea Party, by the way, is not a political party. They did not run any candidates.

                    "What happened to going after Wall Street, bank bailouts & jobs, jobs, jobs?"

                    That is the class warrior in you. I am not envious of others. Read carefully. My issue is the return of this government to a constitutionally-based limited government. i do not embrace socialism as an economic model because it fails every time it is tried. I do embrace free market capitalism because it has generated more wealth for more people in more places than any other economic model ever devised. It works every time it is tried.

                    "I love how you turn a blind eye when polls are not in your favor."

                    Which poll, specifically, are not in my favor (whatever that means)? What are the trends? Are they generally downward as for the boy president? What questions were asked? Can we see the poll internals or are we forced to rely upon interpretations by people who are not likely to have our interests in mind? Post some links and I will gladly review them and give my response.

        7. Ralph Deeds profile image69
          Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Our resident "Democrat" spews his anti-Obama venom.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            He really blew his cover when he said he liked Bachmann...

            mmmmmm, no. That one does not pass the smell test.

            1. DannyMaio profile image61
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I blew my cover? You just prove yourself with almost every post! Why is thinking Bachman is a good woman bad???? She adopted like 20 kids and does a lot of wonderful things! everybody should be as caring as she is! I do not agree with everything she says but as a human being she is Incredible! She is extremely smart and has a wonderful heart more than I can say for a lot of other people. Sorry If I do not believe in socialism! It is a disease that destroyed many countries, It really doesn't do any good. Like I told socialist John show me a country that thrived on Socialism! I will be waiting. You do not pass the smell test in my view.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image86
                PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                First, let me say that I do admire those who take in foster children; it is not an easy job and they money provided from the government to assist does not usually come close to making up for the time and effort required.

                That said, as LMC pointed out, Bachmann is all for cutting programs that help the disadvantaged raise their own kids but is willing to take money from the government to help her raise someone else's kids.  If she were living by her principles, then she would have taken in foster kids without asking for government help.  Same with the farm subsidies she receives.

                She's a big hypocrite.  Maybe she's a nice person, but she's a hypocrite.

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                  CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Bachmann divided her own family & that's what  the TP will continue to do to our country.                                                     From the MinnPost.com:
                  During the battle in the Legislature over Bachmann's proposal to ban gay marriage, her step-sister Helen LaFave emerged to publicly announce that Bachmann had divided the family with her polarizing views on the issue. LaFave wrote this letter to the Star Tribune:
                  For someone whose dream job has always been that of a wife and mother, state Sen. Michele Bachmann seems to have made an odd career choice. The Jan. 1 photo depicting her vacuuming in heels is just as confusing. Perhaps what she really meant to say is that her dream job has always been that of politician and actress. — Helen LaFave, Minneapolis
                  This is just  one of Bachmanns memorable moments. Go to the MinnPost for more.

        8. thisisoli profile image64
          thisisoliposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Danny, first off, most of the British people I know, myself included, are more than happy to see Obama in charge.

          Secondly, why do you use socialist as a dirty word, all developed nations are socialist to a degree, don't you have public schools, public roads, city controlled garbage disposal? What happens if your house catches on fire? You get mugged?

          Civilization NEEDS socialism, because socialism is co-operation between the people to provide centralized utilities and protection which are essential to the wellbeing of the country.

          1. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            yes to a small degree but socialism as a whole does not work. Capitalism is what made the USA a great nation and why so many want to come here. I also do not consider schools, firemen, policemen socialism because we pay for those things through taxes! actually where I live the firemen are volunteers. they do not get paid. I have home taxes on my house that are 12,400.00 a year and they break it up like 5500.00 school taxes, 3500.00 police 2000.00 garbage etc... so where is that socialism? Everyone around the world benefited from our Capitalism as we came up with a lot of great new technologies, advancements in medicine etc... without Capitalism We would have never become so strong. look at china they have about the same amount of land as we do, they have 3Billion people and there GDP is like 2T a year we only have 300 million people and our GDP is much greater! the further we go towards socialism the weaker we get. I do not want this. Anyone who wants to put in the hard time here and take some chances there is the opportunity to be rich, successful and not depend on anybody. I prefer to have that option.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
              Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              There are virtually no pure capitalist or pure socialist economies. Nearly all are mixed democratic welfare capitalist systems. The only argument is over what regulations are needed to insure that the system works fairly in the interest of all citizens. Even Cuba is gradually exhibiting signs of adopting some free market ideas.

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                yes because socialism doesn't work!! never has and never will! can you deny that everyone benefits from our capitalism? like I stated even our poor lives much better than other countries. The world benefits from capitalism. eventually all this technology gets cheaper and then other countries get it also.

                1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                  Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both." Louis D. Brandeis, 1941

                  "Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society." Oliver Wendell Holmes, 1927 in a dissenting opinion in Compania General de Tabacos de Filipinos v. Collector of Internal Revenue, 1927.

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    yes to a small degree not what socialist want! of course we have to pay some tax but not 50-75% of what is earned! if the socialist have their way they would take almost everything! we need to contribute to protection of foreign invasion and maybe some other smaller factors. that is all the government should do.

            2. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Oh Danny "we do something therefore it cannot be socialism"!
              And you do not consider [it] to be socialism because "we pay through taxes"!

              I totally despair.

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                We understand that government is for protecting from foreign invasion. the other is state. yes we use roads police etc... this is understandable but not all the other nonsense. Yes a safety net for people who actually need it but not to rely on it.

          2. sn53Anon profile image61
            sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi this,

            You wrote, "Civilization NEEDS socialism, because socialism is co-operation between the people to provide centralized utilities and protection which are essential to the wellbeing of the country."

            This is completely false. Socialism is an economic model. It puts the state in the role of master and the citizen in the role of the slave. I recognize that in England you are Subjects. In the United States we are citizens. I would never want to live the squalid life of a Brit under the oppressive heel of a socialist state. Nor do I want the chains of socialism to shackle my children, nor my children's children, in order to buy the votes of this greedy, grasping generation.

            The right choice is the obvious choice. Free market capitalism has generated more wealth for more people in more places than any other economic model. Just say "No" to socialism. It feels good. Try a bit of freedom. Once you get over your fear you might embrace it.

            1. lovemychris profile image79
              lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              God, what a tool--I see in my shed smile

              1. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi love,

                Not over your fear of freedom just yet? Take your time. I will be here to help you when you are ready.

            2. DannyMaio profile image61
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              very nice post! glad to have you on board. Just a little heads up, these people will twist everything around so beware! and they want freebies so you will be talking to the wall. Capitalism is what made this country and even the world a better place.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Mirror programming. Very good.

                1. DannyMaio profile image61
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  SPEAKS THE TRUTH, I know it hurts but feels good to me. open the mind and the truth will follow!

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Your truth is anethema to me.
                    Open mind, insert propaganda. But I will pray for you to see the light.

              2. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Danny,

                It is okay. I enjoy bringing the fight into the enemy's camp.

                1. JamaGenee profile image89
                  JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Danny, having been at HP for close to 3 years now, I can tell you you wouldn't be the first to set up a separate account for the purpose of having an ally in a forum where you had none otherwise. Nice try, now go write some hubs as your alter ego and let the grownups have a real discussion.

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    now you throw out BS comments about having an alternate account? This just proves what kind of fool you truly are! why don't we show everyone what kind of A$$ you are , Send HUBPAGES an email and ask them if I have any other accounts! This totally proves you need to grow up and take responsibility for yourself! what a dam shame you have to accuse someone of opening another account... Yeah I need someone to help me? with what? fools like you who accuse people of things they no nothing about? You just proved your stupidity. GO ahead ask hubpages if any other account is on my IP address! I dare you! I want everyone to see what kind of fool you truly are! NO real facts you put out just HALF TRUTHS!

                  2. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi Jama,

                    Do you believe that Danny and I are one? Do we have a similar writing style? I don't believe our writing styles are even close. Writing styles are very difficult to conceal over a long period of time. Since I have been posting now for several days I am certain that you can do a cursory examination yourself.

                    Funny though.

            3. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              In the UK we are subjects, not because of socialism, but because we are the opposite, a monarchy.
              I'm laughing at the image of Brits living under the oppressive heel of socialism, we aren't a socialist country!

              1. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi John,

                You wrote, "In the UK we are subjects, not because of socialism, but because we are the opposite, a monarchy."

                You have a long history of being subjects, not a free people. In the US we have a history of being citizens. Just as your history of being the property of the state has fitted you for wearing the chains of socialism easily, our history make American citizens unfit to be state property.

                "I'm laughing at the image of Brits living under the oppressive heel of socialism, we aren't a socialist country!"

                Oh, but you are. Who runs your health care? The state. Who regulates every facet of your almost private enterprises? Is that not also the state? When you want to do any trivial thing to whom do you go to beg for permission? Is it not one or more government bureaucrats? Do you not redistribute wealth in your country?

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          Sophia Angeliqueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          @Danny.. Excuse me? Britain, France, Germany, etc. think Obama is a joke? I don't know which planet you're living on but  most of them believe that Obama is the first decent president America has had for four decades.

          I was curious whether you were European to say that and see that you live in New York. I have European nationality (and South African) and have lived and worked on the continent, and what you say simply is not true.

      2. sn53Anon profile image61
        sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi ernest,

        You wrote, "This is the most articulate intelligent president America has seen for a long time."

        He has a good teleprompter.

      3. Sustainable Sue profile image91
        Sustainable Sueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        He is articulate, but note what's happening with the actual administration. The wealthy are still getting the tax breaks. The oil companies are still getting their licenses to drill deep-sea wells. Education is still getting cut, and now the EPA is under attack. At least there's some money coming out to support Green Technologies.

        Obama speaks and the people listen, but the government does not. He's a very articulate front man. And that's apparently all he is. The political machines are putting up people against him that help to polarize this country, but they're all essentially front men. That means we, the people, need to take action.

    2. DannyMaio profile image61
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      DREAMING AGAIN? don't you wish. I think it is the end of the socialist Obama

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Somebody pointed out recently that we are all socialists in that we believe in having the government provide defense, public schools, roads and other services. Nixon was more of a socialist than Obama.

    3. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is the most ignorant president we have ever had...by far.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Your opinion means so much to the world!  We thank you so much, you should be king of America.  No, really.  Why don't you save us all  lol

        1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
          weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          And your opinion means what to the world?    At least mine is correct.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That's merely YOUR opinion.  Youdon'tholdthosetruths too well! lol

            1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
              weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sure, it's my opinion, but my opinions ARE FACTUALLY CORRECT.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Once again, merely your opinion.  Nothing to show it's any more factual than what anyone else opines.  Sorry! smile

    4. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The fool.   There is no money to waste on pointless, politically favored, but financially disastrous and pointless spending on windmills, etc.

    5. Evan G Rogers profile image82
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Obama makes the mistake that "America" can invest in anything.

      Only individuals can act, everyone knows this. But using the term "America" makes one sound more grandiose.

    6. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Doug,

      You quoted President Obama, who made these misleading statements, "Worst of all, this is a vision that says even though America can't afford to invest in education or clean energy; even though we can't afford to care for seniors and poor children. . ."

      So do you and the Prez believe we will no longer spend money in this country to educate?
      So do you and the Prez believe we will no longer spend money on clean energy (whatever that is)?
      So do you and the Prez believe we will no longer spend money taking care of senior citizens?
      So do you and the Prez believe that we will no longer spend any money taking care of poor children?

      If we go from spending 3.6 trillion dollars (1.6T of which we must print (think inflation ala J. Carter, or borrow, therefore crowding out the potential for new growth in the private sector) down to a mere two trillion dollars, do you and the Prez believe that means we will no longer spend on any of those things? If so what do you think the two trillion dollars the government spends will go?

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There's a story that Richard Nixon was the kind of guy.. if you were drowning 20 feet off shore, he would throw you a rope 10 feet long and say he met you half way.

        Privatizing Medicare will reduce benefits to seniors by 25%  net. There will be death panels for real but they will be part of the private sector insurance industry protecting the profit margin.

        There's one class of people who won't be affected - people so rich they don't NEED Medicare. The Ryan plan gives them a tax CUT!

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Doug,

          You wrote, "Privatizing Medicare will reduce benefits to seniors by 25%  net."

          Fascinating. No current senior will see any change to their entitlements. But future generations will not be shacked to this failing system.

          "There will be death panels for real. . ."
          Obamacare, the unconstitutional takeover of 1/6th of the US economy already has death panels.

          "...but they will be part of the private sector insurance industry protecting the profit margin."

          The nice part about the private sector is that the individual consumer gets to decide. If you don't like the deal go to one that you do like. And if you think there is money to be made then get into the market and make the money.

          Just don't be a spoiler who demands that the government mug me in order to give you my stuff.

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ah yes, the wonderful "free" market that lets you chose just who  will rip you off.

            1. DannyMaio profile image61
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              So negative! I never heard you say one positive thing ever. must be depressing to feel like you do. Have you ever heard John positive brings positive energy, negative brings negative.

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So it's OK for you to constantly criticise my country and me, that's obviously positive, but let me say one word of criticism of capitalism and I'm entirely negative!

                1. DannyMaio profile image61
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I like the UK. I like everybody I deal with in the UK. I never said I didn't like the UK. I also Don't dislike you either, I do not agree with your ideology.

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    But that doesn't stop you constantly criticising though does it?

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      apachetomtomposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Do you really believe anything this man says? Just wondering.

    8. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The boy president, Barry what's his name, said this, "...spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts..."

      What does this imply? Does Barry mean that all of the wealth of the individuals in this nation belongs to the government? I think so. He believes we are his chattel to do with as he pleases.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think we can dismiss with your claim of never insulting anyone now?

        As if it wasn't obvious anyway.....my good man.

        I'll take some honey with that arsenic waitress.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi love,

          Do you refer to Barry, what's his name, the boy president? The boy who would be king? Let me go search for his name. Soetero. That's it. Barry Soetero. Or, Barack Hussein Obama.

          I admit that I am having fun with Soetero pages. There are many hundreds of them.

          Oh, is he posting here? Have I ever made fun of one of his posts? Nope.

          But this is a political thread and skewering the boy president is legitimate, in my opinion.

          1. Mighty Mom profile image89
            Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Why do you refer to him as the "boy" president?

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Mighty,

              He reminds me of a child who had not yet matured into a man. It is all about him. He behaves as if he is a king. An inept king perhaps. But a king nevertheless. A boy king had a Regent. This boy president needs an adult to guide him. Unfortunately, for us.  he chose Saul Alinsky.

              Here is more: http://latter-rain.com/ltrain/alinski.htm

              1. Mighty Mom profile image89
                Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for answering my question.
                But do you think that Saul Alinsky influenced or influences Obama more than say, his law studies at Harvard? Or his current cabinet?
                Also, by your criteria, could we not suggest that George W Bush could have picked a better mentor than Dick Cheney?
                Millions (finally) think so.

                And not to get too het up over that old separation of church and state thing, but quoting a fringe sect of Christianity called latter rain? Really???
                My favorite (a button toward the bottom of the "Latter Rain" explanation section:

                Help To Prepare A Holy Bride!

                I was afraid to click it, lest I end up on their mailing list *shudder*

                1. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi Mighty,

                  LOL. Yes. S. Alinsky had two very great successes. H. R. Clinton and BHO.

                  I believe that anyone who becomes a rabble rouser, which in polite company is called a community organizer is a radical. BHO clearly is. He cannot hide the major influences of his past. They all slant toward radicalism, socialism, and a hatred of white American society. That is where his roots are.

                  Ah, GWB. What can one say? I liked the most important thing he did. And I intensely disliked the second most important thing he did.

                  I have to laugh about latter rain. It was one of a half dozen web sites I looked at. I selected it because it did the best job in the first two paragraphs of establishing what Saul Alinsky believed.

                  1. Mighty Mom profile image89
                    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well I must confess I am relieved. I was seriously starting to worry that being swayed over to your so-called "good" side would require me to convert religions as well. Whew!

                    HR Clinton. Well that is interesting, isn't it? So one way or the other, Saul Alinsky was destined to have a protegee in the WH in 2008 (assuming, and it was pretty much assured it would be a Dem).
                    I read HR Clinton's book, but it's been awhile. I know she comes from solid midwestern Methodist (I think I have that right) stock and was imbued with a sense of giving back early on. I don't recall mention of SA, but then I would not have been watching for it (this being well before Obama).
                    And how interesting that she started out as a Republican but changed affiliations -- gotta love those thinking Wellesley women smile

                    Now you know you've hooked me. I HAVE to know to which Bush accomplishments you refer. Do tell.
                    Please.

          2. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            He's your president. If you choose to degrade and deride him, that's your perogative.
            Just don't come around here telling me what a great American you are.

            Or is that wehold who does that?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LjsoYOz … re=related

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi love,

              And so, more often than not, I refer to him as President Obama. (in a whisper...But he is still the boy president) Or Barry Soetero.

            2. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi love,

              Have I ever said I am a great American? I strive to be a great American. That is why I intend to join my local Tea Party organization.

      2. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "He believes we are his chattel to do with as he pleases."

        Evidence, please.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Pretty,

          I offer as evidence his belief that tax cuts must be paid for. Only one who believes that all wealth is his, and therefore all wealth creators are his, would believe such nonsense.

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
            Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Ryan's proposing that the tax cuts for the rich be paid for by the poor.

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Ralph,

              Would you please explain to me how that works? If the government does not force me to pay, say, $1K, do you believe the government is going after some poor guy (or maybe two or three of them) to insist they pay?

              If your income was $100,000 per year how long do you think you could spend $150,000 per year before you would be in very serious trouble?

              Can you see the difference between what would happen to you as an individual and what will happen to us as a nation?

              BHO has been spending between 1 and 2 trillion dollars that we do not have every year. he knows that he will be out of office when it all comes crashing down.

              Do you know the US is in danger of a credit rating adjustment, downward. When that happens the interest we pay on borrowed money will go up. If you plan on buying a house you had better do it soon.

              Are you old enough to remember President Jimmy Carter? He is the worst President we have had in at least a century. He and BHO are like peas in a pod. BHO's first term is J.C.s second term. Imagine 21% inflation...
              That is where we are heading.

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                More likely 21% unemployment. Reagan, Bush I and Bush II put us in our current hole by cutting taxes and increasing expenditures. Bush passed a big bucket of shit to Obama--two long wars, an unpaid for Medicare drug plan (which was a gift to the drug companies) and a big tax cut for the richest Americans.

                1. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Isn't it wonderful to have President Bush? At what point do you think the boy president will man up?

                  I am surprised you did not include Eisenhower in your list of reasons why this president is unable to lead.

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    HUH?

                    What does that mean exactly....what kind of logic are you using? Twisted Logic?

                    You just gave me the name of my new band: Twisted Logic. Thanks Anon!!

                  2. Moderndayslave profile image60
                    Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You actually feel Bush was "Running Things"? Did you see the film footage of him at that school in FL on 9/11?

          2. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            That is not evidence; it is your opinion.  Everyone has one.  By the way, your description of a Boy King sounds so familiar....

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Pretty,

              Yes, of course it is my opinion. I offer it as additional evidence that he believes that he is a monarch and we are his subjects.

      3. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        He means when the Bush tax cuts expire, those making $250K+ will pay more taxes.

        Get used to it.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Doug,

          If the Bush tax rate cuts ever expire everyone who earns income will pay more.

          May I ask you a personal question? What is it about the slavery of others that so appeals to you? Why is it so important that you steal from me and from others who have created a good life for you?

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Is paying your electric bill slavery? If you don't pay, they will 'steal' your deposit and cut off services.

            People at the top benefit MOST from our democratic,  free-enterprise system. It's not just that the richest 20% take HALF the total earnings. They benefit from a court system, they benefit from police and fire protection. They have the most expensive property. Their businesses benefit from the public infrastructure. Public schools and grants for higher education give the rich the labor pool they need to get even richer.

            In total utter stupidity, the rich have decided they don't want to pay their share. The society that made their wealth possible - they now curse. If they succeed in bringing down this country, they have the most to loose.

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Doug,

              You wrote, "Is paying your electric bill slavery? If you don't pay, they will 'steal' your deposit and cut off services."

              Of course not. The electric company sets a rate. I buy power from them which I use to benefit me. They don't care how much money I earn. They don't insist that I work two days a week so they can redistribute (that means steal) my labor to others.  The government does. The government takes two days out of every week of my life, stealing my labor, therefore my hours of life.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                My boss takes my labor and time...and in return, I get a paycheck.
                Your country takes money from you, and in return,you get to live in a great country....what's the problem?

                Can I tell my boss how much to pay me?
                uh, yeah...and he can kick me to the curb!

                Can you expect all the benefits of a country without the price?

                Grow up--you always toot America's greatness, but seem to think it all comes for free.

                And btw--we are SERIOUSLY slipping in the greatness dpt.

                1. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi love,

                  If your boss is smart he is paying for you to solve his problems. You are selling your ability to solve his problems to him. you are trading your time and brainpower for a medium of exchange.

                  Can you tell your boss how much to pay you? Sure. All you have to do is begin performing at a value greater than you are providing today. Then in a while show him how valuable you are to him. And ask for the money.

                  if he does not give you what you are worth then go find someone who will. I have nearly 70 engineers who work under me. Some were very surprised to discover that I was all too happy to tell them how to become a top performer and command more dollars.

                  Of course the dirty little secret is that most of us are actually overpaid. Very few of us actually work the whole time we are at work.

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Speak for yourself!
                    And no, I'm not paid enough. In fact, with the cost of living and the price of everything, you have to make a darn good amount just to stay above water.

                    This has changed in only the 3 generations my family has been here.
                    Grandfather: blue-collar job, yet still able to provide a decent life--although grandma had to work part-time too.
                    Father: White collar, much better off. Mom stayed home.One job sufficed.
                    Kids: No way in hell can only one parent work. Sometimes both people have 2 or 3 jobs!!

                    Not greedy or anything, but the cost of living has sky-rocketed. Oddly enough, my goodness--at the same time the top 2% has gotten so very very rich!

                    Such a ball of malarkey they throw.
                    My grandfather would not recognize America if he came back from the dead. That's how much the Robber Barons have ruined this country.

                  2. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    In an ideal world. . .

                    Rather more common is the employer in the UK paying his workers (all skilled men) just above the minimum wage who when asked for a pay rise said "no money, can't afford it" and when they pointed out to him that their requested pay rise was actually less than his new fitted kitchen had cost him, sacked the lot.

                2. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi love,

                  You wrote, "Can you expect all the benefits of a country without the price?"

                  I do not expect many benefits. I expect the government to do what our Constitution says and no more. I do not expect the government to determine the kind of toilet I may legally flush. I do not expect the government to determine the kind of light bulb I may legally illuminate. I do not expect the government to pick winners and losers, to bail out corporations or unions. I do not expect the government to be my enemy.

                  And yet it is.

                  "Grow up--you always toot America's greatness, but seem to think it all comes for free."

                  No. I expect the country to get along without so much government.

                  "And btw--we are SERIOUSLY slipping in the greatness dpt."

                  Why do you think that is?
                  Have we intentionally damaged our culture by importing poverty from Mexico?
                  And Muslims from the Middle East?
                  And millions of others who come here with no intention to become Americans?

                  Perhaps our politicians do not have their country's and our interests at heart.

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Ahahaha...you take the cake!

                    Sorrry Anon, this is the 21st century, not the 19th.

                    I'm living in it, not pretending it's still 1860.

            2. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Doug,

              I believe you are confused about a few things. You wrote, "People at the top benefit MOST from our democratic,  free-enterprise system."

              I would argue that the most productive citizens provide the most benefits to society. It is we who create the goods and services that you want, and are therefore willing to pay for. We do not benefit from so nearly as much as we provide benefits to...

              "It's not just that the richest 20% take HALF the total earnings."

              And here is your second point. The government takes. Thieves take. We earn. We provide goods and services that people want. That is the difference. We do not take from anyone. If you want a product we provide it. You pay us what the product is worth to you. That is how free market capitalism works. The really nice part is that if you see me making money in one part of the market you can emulate me and get into that same market. You can offer a better product to the same people, at a lower price. And then you can become one of the hated rich.

            3. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Doug,

              You also write this, "In total utter stupidity, the rich have decided they don't want to pay their share."

              How much, exactly is my share? Isn't two days of slavery enough for you? Would three days of slavery to you be enough? No? Four out of five days? The trouble that tyrants always get into is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

    9. Sustainable Sue profile image91
      Sustainable Sueposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      BTW I'm an environmental activist, not a Tea Partier.

    10. 2besure profile image83
      2besureposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you Tea Party, for helping President Obama win a 2nd term! Hoooooaaaaaah! hooooaaaaah!

    11. Apostle Jack profile image60
      Apostle Jackposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Personally I don't see what they have accomplish.Still corrupt and unrighteous of all parties  concern.Money and power is the focus.We the people is a by-word.

    12. M@ggot profile image61
      M@ggotposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What your drive by headline on the TEA Party has to do with an excerpt from another Obama speech baffles me....The TEA Party has set the debate. EVERYONE even Obama is talking about entitlement reforms and smaller Government.The End of TPM? LOL...

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah--funny isn't it? When NOBODY wants their platform at all!

        Ask the majority of Americans!

        They WANT the rich to pay more taxes
        They WANT medicare
        They WANT their healthcare

        TP goes against what people want....there is something else going on, what, I don't quite know.

        I KNOW it is a huge psy-op, and they get all the press....could that be the whole answer?
        I don't think so.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Unruly mobs of thugs are like that. We will roll you back and defeat you.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's 80% of America--dems and repubs and indies alike.

            You support a feudal minority.

  2. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Right on, Mr. President!
    Who says he's not a leader?
    I am sooo glad he has publicly state he REFUSES to extend the Bush tax cuts. He's drawing his line in the sand.
    If the TPers want to throw a tantrum over it, they are the one who will look bad.

    I have also read recently that the demise of Glenn Beck is another strong signal that the TP is fizzling out.
    There are lots of good signs if you look for them.
    I guess that's the problem with "Express" trains. They go super fast without making any stops until the final one -- whiz, whir, blur... then GONE!  :LOL:

    1. Jim Hunter profile image59
      Jim Hunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Who says he's not a leader?"

      Most anyone who listens to his dribble.

      Except for those who have a hard time thinking for themselves or supporting themselves, they love the guy.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image89
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        He has been widely criticized for not taking a strong enough stance. I think he's been biding his time and giving Boehner and his boys enough rope. They're definitely hanging themselves now with Medicare. Poor Paul Ryan doesn't even know he's the fall guy. Boehner too. But he took it on. After only 3 months I want Pelosi back!

    2. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      he's not a leader at all.   The man's a liar, dishonest, stupid, ignorant, and an adherent to a wide array of radical ideological stupidities.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        And you find liberals offensive?
        You are not objective in the least.

        1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
          weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I am wholly objective.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Rescind the tax cuts for the billionaire's and remove the cap on FICA.

            So--what about this, then?

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi love,

              You wrote, "Rescind the tax cuts for the billionaire's"

              What does this mean to you, exactly?

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Clinton-era tax rates.

                and it won't even hurt.

                1. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi love,

                  Shall we return all of our tax laws to the Clinton era policies?

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    No-just the top ones. They are the ones who benefitted from Bushco.
                    Leave the rest of us alone.

                    Now your turn, since wehold never answered.

                    How much are you willing to pay for the priveledge of living here?

          2. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Vouching for your own objectivity really helps your credibility out too!  lol

            1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
              weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              It wouldn't matter if I held every credential known to exist, you would still still insist I know nothing and am assorted versions of perverted, maladjusted, criminal, immoral, etc, etc.   

              So, no, my comment is not mean to change your mind, what's the point in speaking to a concrete block?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I've never suggested you were guilty of any of the referenced slurs you posted here.  Nice try though, too bad you have to resort to such tactics, but you have nothing else to offer. 

                And yes, a concrete block would be a good choice for you to converse with.

    3. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Mighty,

      You wrote, "I have also read recently that the demise of Glenn Beck is another strong signal that the TP is fizzling out."

      Demise? Is he dead? As he kicks off his newest project will you then speak of the meaning of his resurrection? Will you mirror the Prez in his comments about Easter (...there is just something about His resurrection that puts everything in perspective) as you wax eloquent about Glen Beck?

  3. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago

    I have always believed that the Tea Party was a front for very rich Americans who don't want to pay taxes.  Not that the teabaggers will be eager to admit that they've been suckered. But Paul Ryan took the wrapping off the Tea Party package.

    Here it is in unmistakable clarity. HUGE tax cuts for the rich and a redesign of Medicare that is a gift to the insurance industry which eliminates all the security seniors have under a system they overwhelmingly approve. A system that will be gone in all but name.

    The republican party is now a front. A facade. A joke. Conservatism does not mean being a tool of the rich. Independents may or may not vote for Obama in 2012. That will depend on how quickly a 3rd party will emerge. But independents and a lot of conservatives are going to jump ship on the republican brand. We know what's in it for everyone in the bottom 90%.

    1. DTR0005 profile image84
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I hope you are right.

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        From the LA Times...

        March 30, 2011 | By Michael Muskal | Los Angeles Times

        The “tea party” movement, born out frustration with Democrats and Republicans, is viewed unfavorably by roughly half of Americans, putting the conservative protest group in the same political boat as its older, more established rivals, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Wednesday.

        According to the survey, 47% of those surveyed said they had an unfavorable view of the tea party, a collection of different groups that are loosely united in their view of opposing big government, taxes and spending. The number of those who see the tea party in a negative light has increased 21 points since January 2010, when the group was becoming a significant force in fielding conservative candidates in GOP races around the country.

        1. Doug Hughes profile image60
          Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          That 21% bump in unfavorability includes a 5% bump since the GOP took over the House. But here's the kicker.

          The poll was taken BEFORE the Ryan plan announced that an integral part of "less government"  means throwing seniors under the bus.

          1. Jean Bakula profile image97
            Jean Bakulaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The rich paid higher taxes during the Reagan years. There's no reason why the wealthy should be able to have all kinds of tax cuts, while people who make considerably less have to suffer. The conservative right in the US only cares about their money, they don't care about the country. And all these teabaggers keep shouting about the Constitution, but then they don't even know what it says. Most of them appear so dumb they probably can't read.

          2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
            Vladimir Uhriposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Soviet propaganda is working. How can somebody trust on polls?

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You look to the source of the poll for accuracy. CNN and Galup do scientific polls with a large sample and unbiased questions and a statistical margin of error listed. A lot of rightie and a few leftie organizations solicit 'poll' responses on biased questions from a select audience.

              1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
                weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                LOL, with the media lying a blue streak, and endless propaganda (false, of course) by such as yourself and your millions of paid minions...  It's a small wonder you can tweak the polls.   

                But the polls that matter are the ones you WILL lose.

      2. mcimicata profile image62
        mcimicataposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I hope you are right too!

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor."

    3. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You have to think that, because the truth - that the TEA Party is simply the natural reaction to mass stupidity in Washington DC -  would mean that you're part of the mass stupidity.

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It might have been that once upon a time, but it's that no longer. It started as nonpartisan but it's been co-opted by the partisans on the right. And now it's part of the problem, because while the Tea Party is great at pointing out the bad things the left does, it's also great at pointing out the any things the Left does and spinning them to look like bad things. It's also a great smokescreen for the bad things the Right is trying to do.
        The Tea Party isn't some benevolent grassroots effort to improve the US for all. Not anymore. It's now a giant spin-factory and smokescreen, deftly wielded by its corporate masters to get most of America to vote against the interests of most of the population, and to protect the interests of the wealthiest 1%.

        1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
          weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          And you're a paid liar.

          1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
            Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            is this the new insult style for hubpages?

            Just claim that the person you disagree with is a paid forum poster?

            This seems to be the way that everyone is responding this month.

            1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
              Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I'm still awaiting my check from the DNC.

              1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                As am I from the Federally Funded National Anarchist Foundation...
                ...
                ...
                wait...

                1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                  Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You just checked the mail?

            2. lovemychris profile image79
              lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I don't recall anyone calling Ann a liar.
              Truth-out does it near-about every-time.

              1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I don't care what truth does.

                I've noticed a sharp increase in the number of "your a paid forum poster" comments, and the claims are completely unbacked by evidence.

                It's the new "shout racist" defense card when you can't back up your own claims.

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't you also think it's delivered with the tongue rather firmly in the cheek?

        2. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Jeff,

          You wrote, "The Tea Party isn't some benevolent grassroots effort . . ."

          The Tea Party has never been benevolent. Unlike the boy president who started a war in Libya and then walked away, the Tea party intends to have a regime change in the US. Democrats and Republicans-in-name-only are going to be replaced, over the next few elections, with conservatives who will return us to a constitutionally-based limited government.

          1. 60
            CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Everytime you use the word boy I picture you as an old sugar daddy with a 20 yr old boy toy.

    4. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Doug,

      You wrote, "HUGE tax cuts for the rich. . ."

      The tax cuts are for everyone who pays taxes. The rich pay the most. So when rates are reduced they get to keep more of the money they earned, of the wealth they created.

      Are you always for slavery, for plunder,  for rape? How is your stance any different than that of the thief on the corner? or is it just better for you when the state does the stealing on your behalf?

      "and a redesign of Medicare that is a gift to the insurance industry which eliminates all the security seniors have under a system they overwhelmingly approve."

      Doug, now there you go again. The Ryan plan makes no changes to people who are about my age. But it will free the younger men and women from a failed system. I almost want to ask you the really big question, 'are you a fool? Or a liar?' but I am way too polite to ask you.

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Regarding the first lie. The Ryan plan does not cut all taxes. It targets the top bracket only.

        "Yet the Ryan plan would not only retain the Bush cuts for those who earn more than $250,000 a year; it would increase the cut for those who make more."

        http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 … wont-work/

        Regarding the second lie...and I quote from the same article -

        "Critics on the left are up in arms because Ryan’s proposal to force Medicare recipients to buy private insurance will raise the amount those now under 55 will pay when they are old enough to get Medicare by an average of $6,000 a person.

        In other words, critics say, we are trying to cut health care costs—and supposedly reform it through more privatization—on the backs of future elderly Medicare recipients. But the Ryan plan won’t reduce health care costs. As Peter Orszag, the former White House budget director, told me recently, the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office calculates that overall health care spending will go up as Medicare recipients are forced to buy private insurance, since private insurance has far higher administrative expenses than Medicare. Health care expenditures, as Orszag nicely puts it, are not being reduced on the backs of seniors, they are. being raised on the backs of seniors."

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Doug,

          You wrote this, "Yet the Ryan plan would not only retain the Bush cuts for those who earn more than $250,000 a year; it would increase the cut for those who make more."

          I downloaded and read the Ryan blueprint. The blueprint says the we should consolidate the current brackets (six, I believe) down to three with the top bracket reduced from a plundering, looting, 35% rate down to 25%.

          His blueprint also broadens the tax base so that many of the plunderers and looters will now pay their fair share. Wouldn't that be a novel approach?

  4. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    From
    Op-Ed Columnist
    Tea Party Tailspin
    By CHARLES M. BLOW
    Published: March 4, 2011

    TEA PARTY TAILSPIN


    THE TEA PARTY IS synonymous with anger. Anger defined it. Anger fueled it. Anger marred it. Anger became its face and its heart. But anger is too exhausting an emotion to sustain

    A poll released Thursday by the Pew Research Center found that a
    nger at the government among Tea Party supporters fell by 40 percent from September 2010 to this month. Furthermore, anger among Republicans fell by more than half, and anger among whites, the elderly and independents fell by 40 percent or more.

    On the other hand, the percentage of Tea Party supporters who said that they trusted the government always or most of the time doubled from last March to this March, and the percentage of Republicans saying so nearly doubled. In fact, the percent of both Republicans and independents saying so is now higher than it has been since January 2007.

    Less anger? More trust? What happened? The midterms happened, that’s what.

    Elections have a way of cooling passions, especially when voters get what they want. Electoral success not only satisfies, it pacifies. The enormous gains by Republicans during the midterms assuaged much of the country’s grief. The pressure began to subside. The novelty dimmed. The urgency evaporated.

    Yet Tea Party leaders are still sniping from the sidelines, holding politicians to overreaching promises made when the electorate was still stewing.


    Judson Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation, wrote a post on its Web site this week saying the House speaker, John Boehner, looks “like a fool” and should face a primary challenge in 2012 for not pursuing enough spending cuts this year.

    For these Tea Partiers, any concession is a crime worthy of expulsion.

    A September Pew Poll found that only 22 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party admire political leaders who make compromises. This is not the way the rest of the country feels. Fifty-five percent of Democrats and 36 percent of Republicans said that they admired politicians who compromise.

    Staunch Tea Partiers seem to be guided by the worst kind of fundamentalist political extremism — immutable positions derived from a near-religious adherence to self-proclaimed inviolable principles. This could well be their undoing.
     
    If Tea Party leaders continue to operate as if anger is still a major part of their arsenal and Republican politicians continue to feel pressured into untenable positions, Democrats could enjoy their very own Charlie Sheen-ism come 2012: “Winning!”

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This person is desperately clinging to lies, hoping to create a self fulfilling lie.

    2. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Admiring compromisers?    I understand when liberals admire compromise between right and wrong.    But, a third of the GOP loving wrong?   Makes about the right amount of sense.

      Of course nobody likes a compromiser.    They're a traitor to the nation.

      1. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        From CNN - Scientific poll on exactly this topic. And it explains why TP stands for toilet paper.

        "In a sample of 1,1,89 random respondents polled from October 21-26, 2010, 75 percent of likely voters -and 66 percent of Republicans -said that, if the GOP wins control of Congress, the party should compromise some of its positions to get things done.

        Seventy-one percent of all voters, and 79 percent of Republicans, said that Obama should compromise given the possibility of a GOP takeover."

        1. Mighty Mom profile image89
          Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, as we all know, CNN is a liberl media propaganda source smile.
          Surely that poll did not include ANY voters of the TP persuasion. They would never agree to the GOP compromising on ANYTHING! Because they are right and we are wrong.
          Compromising on their rigid beliefs? NEVER!
          Give me liberty or give me death! (In other words, compromise over my dead body -- and no, I am not inciting violence against TP members of Congress here roll)

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            We're gonna see more and more stormtroopers on the HP forums. The tactic seems to be to blanket the forum with post after post. LaLo and this wahoo. The other technique seems to be to try to shout down all opposition.

            For the moment, I'm glad he's here to discredit his own position. There is a point, however, where the idiocy will chase away any moderates interested in honest debate. It is for them that I bother to post.

        2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I love the way that we've been so conditioned to think that when Congress doesn't vote on new bills, everything thinks they're doing nothing.

          brilliant. Orwell would be proud.

    3. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The very self-serving idea of admiring those who compromise was top notch humor.

      One does not compromise with a party intent on the destruction of the country as a capitalist nation. One fights. One fights at every opportunity. One fights with all of the tools one has. Wherever the enemy is we take the fight to him. We do not compromise. We win. We defeat the enemy. We destroy the enemy.

      Only a fool or a knave admires compromise with an enemy such as this nation has running the Senate and the Executive branch.

      1. Mighty Mom profile image89
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well then, I guess half of Republicans are fools or knaves.
        The rest are just heartless.
        Stand by your principles even if it means shutting down the government. Nice.

        "In the weeks leading up to the budget showdown, the Pew Research Center found that 50 percent of Republicans wanted their elected representatives to “stand by their principles,” even if it meant causing the federal government to shut down. Among those who identified as tea party supporters, that figure was 68 percent. Conversely, 69 percent of Democrats wanted their representatives to avoid a shutdown, even if it meant compromising on principles."

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Mighty,

          you wrote, "Well then, I guess half of Republicans are fools or knaves."

          About half. Perhaps a little more or a little less. They will be replaced in future elections.

          "The rest are just heartless."

          Or as I might say, responsible adults willing to make difficult choices. See, that is the difficulty of giving up your childish ways. You have to be willing to make choices.

          "Stand by your principles even if it means shutting down the government. Nice."

          We agree once again. Perfect.

      2. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sn53anon - Love your hubs.

        Does it get crowded under that bridge?

        1. DannyMaio profile image61
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          you have the nerve to talk about HUBS? you have 6 in 14 months? This person joined 2 days ago! you have serious issues. I will pray for you. I would think you would try and at least give a real educated answer, guess that went right out the window.

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You know when I first looked at your hubscore, I figured you for a troll, too. Normally, a score that low indicates no hubs. My apologies for the mistake.

            1. DannyMaio profile image61
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              yours is much better? you have been on for 14 months and you have 74 i have been on 2 months, and just a few weeks ago I had 72, now 53 sorry been busy and have not been writing hubs, But I never claimed to be a writer, I like to read. This site is for reading also, with out them it would be useless! I don't do this for money either. Your such an angry mean spirited person. You must have a horrible existence? I feel sorry for you.

              1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                This is the characteristic of Wingnuts that astounded me.

                Dishing it out is fun, but being on the receiving end provokes squeals of "mean-spirited".

          2. JamaGenee profile image89
            JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Danny, it's called QUALITY over QUANITY.  You should try it sometime.

            1. DannyMaio profile image61
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If  you actually read the whole post and who started it this comment should be for your BOY DOUG! He was the the one saying something about someone not being worthy because they had no HUBS... I guess your foot went in your mouth on this one also! SAD!

        2. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Doug,

          I suppose Hubs are my responses? I am glad you love them. I know I do. I relish taking the fight right into the enemy's camp.

          If you mean something else I suppose I shall catch on. Or not. It is, after all, my choice, isn't it?

      3. Doug Hughes profile image60
        Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        On the subject of compromise Sn53anon wrote,

        "Wherever the enemy is we take the fight to him. We do not compromise. We win. We defeat the enemy. We destroy the enemy."

        I commented about this attitude 2 days ago - about the time dimbulb created his hubless profile.

        "We're gonna see more and more stormtroopers on the HP forums. The tactic seems to be to blanket the forum with post after post...The other technique seems to be to try to shout down all opposition."

        Thanks for proving my prediction.

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oh my god...you're right!! err, I mean correct!!wink

        2. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Doug,

          Well congratulations. By golly. You figured me out. Except that I am not shouting anyone down. I do notice that some people, perhaps including you, prefer to snipe rather than discuss.

          1. Doug Hughes profile image60
            Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If you want to notice, I provide more hard facts and numbers to disprove Teabagger lies than almost anyone.

            That's not sniping.

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Doug,

              You have a better opinion of the number and the quality of the facts you provide than is warranted.

  5. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "What happened during last week and the debate over the budget and the possible shut down of the entire government because of certain issues of concern to a new party “Tea Party” a party driven by very narrow ideological and self serving interests with “veto” powers over the affairs of the nation and the interests of people. The Tea Party thanks to lackey spineless politicians became more powerful than both Democrats and Republicans holding the entire nation hostage."

    Crazy on a stick.

  6. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago

    Today is the day the House should vote for on the republican plan to demolish Medicare & Medicaid. (The Ryan plan) There are rumors that some non-TP republicans will defect. That re-election thing.

    If they pass it, it will be the biggest mass suicide since Jonestown.

  7. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago

    "When Paul Ryan says his priority is to make sure, he's just being America's accountant ... This is the same guy that voted for two wars that were unpaid for, voted for the Bush tax cuts that were unpaid for, voted for the prescription drug bill that cost as much as my health care bill -- but wasn't paid for," Mr. Obama told his supporters. "So it's not on the level."

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Obama complaining about anyone being "not on the level" is hypocrisy taken to galactic scope.

    2. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Doug,

      Talking points?

  8. 0
    Multimanposted 5 years ago

    Its time some people wised up to the fact that the uber rich are in control already and are afraid of losing it.  They have taken the bail out maoney and our kids futures now they want to try to bail the country out on the back of the poor, the defenseless, and the weak.  Teabaggers are the worse thing to happen to conservative movement since the John Birth Society in the late 50's and Macathyism.
    This mind set that the social programs can all be eliminated and privatized is insane. 
    Yes we have a huge debt now, whos fault, not the social programs but the bail outs to the fat cats on wall street that's what shot it to hell, and now theyh are trying to switch the blame and to bring down the debt without having to pay a dime back themselves.
    We dont own this country anymore Goldman Sachs does.

  9. BobbiRant profile image80
    BobbiRantposted 5 years ago

    So the 'best' alternative to President Obama is the GOP candidates who bow down to the rich, who BTW, want to see us dead probably More so than the so called 'terrorists' and the 'terrorist' scare is to take our mind off of the GOP who Really are systematically trying to kill most of us?  I guess Americans who hate the President will be lining up to be killed by the GOP, 'for their own good' of course?  Where's the reasoning powers most humans used to have?  Obama is a good President, but the GOP are firing up gas chambers as we type.  There's no doubt about it.  Cut Medicaid and Medicare?  The GOP might as well say: "Would you all mind dropping dead for us?"  For 'our own good' of course.  Wise up America!!!!

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Can you provide the numbers that show how SS and Medicare and Medicaid can be paid for in the future?     

      A nice neat little compendium to show how the vast number of new enrollees will be paid ever increasing benefits while a decreasing percentage of the population has to pay the bill. 

      Run the numbers for us...   Or, you're just another propaganda artist with no integrity.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Rescind the tax cuts for the billionaire's and remove the cap on FICA.

        1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
          weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I asked for numbers, not stupid nonsense.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Why is it stupid?

            1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
              weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If you would examine facts, you'd see why.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                SHOW ME!

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  And show me too.

                  1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                    Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    And me, three. LMC presented a plan. It's pretty barebones, and I'd like some more details, but the general idea seems pretty feasible. If you have information (not ideology, but information, please) that demonstrates that LMC's idea is a bad one, I'd love to hear it. Because, see, I want what's best for the country. If what's best for the country is different from what I already think, I will readily change my mind. But you're going to have to do more to convince me than say, "That plan is bad." You'll have to tell me why that plan is bad. I already have reasons to think it's good.

  10. BobbiRant profile image80
    BobbiRantposted 5 years ago

    No the GOP have cornered the market on propaganda.  So you think it is good for Americans to just drop dead?  Your mother, your father, your kids, even yourself to just drop dead if you are in need?  SEE the problem with lack of 'reasoning'?  weholdthesetruths? WHAT 'truth' you talking? The rich see no future for middle class, poor, or elderly so we ALL just drop dead?  Your own family too if it comes to that? So EASY to say 'other people' isn't it?

    1. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Bobbi,

      Your picture shows you as a strikingly beautiful woman. I hope you are.

      Who, specifically, is wanting Americans to drop dead? Specifically. No hand waving. No wild statements. Specifically.

  11. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Here's some numbers:
    Tax cut is 60% of current deficit.
    Could have 70 mil(or bil?) a year MORE going into SS, rather than the pockets...very few pockets.... of the upper class!!

    1. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi love,

      You wrote, "Tax cut is 60% of current deficit."

      What? Are you implying that a nation that collected about 2 trillion dollars from people who actually pay taxes, could have had nearly another trillion taken from them? Astonishing.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You are talking about the poor and middle class. They had their taxes raised, so the very wealthy could have a cut.
        I'm surprised you haven't noticed...it's only been going on FOR 30 YEARS!!

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi love,

          The poor pay nothing. The middle class, for the most part pay a pittance. The majority of the income taxes are already paid by people just like me.

          I understand your envy. While you were making poor decisions concerning your life I was making slightly better decisions concerning mine. And now you want me to make up the differences between us.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Oh please.
            Middle pay fed, state and FICA.
            You pay fed and state
            Poor pay FICA

            And you have all those cute little loop-holes to escape into. Don't pretend you don't.
            And, my newly-learned phrase: *tax-expenditures*, like subsidies, mortgage deductions, charity deductions, I look good deductions, I'm married so I deserve more deductions, I have a fancy car deduction, I drink luxury water deduction...etc etc.

            The tax codes have been altered to fit the rich.
            They can now be altered back.

            1. Doug Hughes profile image60
              Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              LMC- the teabaggers are not going to be able to overcome the fact there are a lot more poor people in America than there are rich ones. All we have to do is get out the truth and get out the vote.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, because their little trick is to blame Obama for all the poverty, and they then become the saviors who will "bring America back to prosperity" "path to prosperity".
                What a collassal joke. This is Gingrich's plan that he sent out in a memo for god's sakes.

                And their philosophy is to blame for the poverty.

                Gingrich: Now THERE'S a flip-flopper of EPIC proportions...almost as epic as Trump.

                1. DannyMaio profile image61
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  what about Obama? did he not say in 2006 that he will not vote to raise the debt ceiling, He said it was a sign the president was not doing his job! Now he says the complete opposite? is that a flip flop? This man has no clue how to run a country! he is a GREAT community organizer. But not a president! his policies are horrible, his foreign affairs stink, he is weak and even though S&P warned that if we keep spending we will lose our AAA rating, nad today he is still talking about spending???? no clue

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Your opinion is duly noted.

            2. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi love,

              You wrote, "Oh please.
              Middle pay fed, state and FICA.
              You pay fed and state
              Poor pay FICA"

              Would you please look up, and if you have the courage to do so, identify the percentage of the tax take that comes from the bottom 50% of all wage earners, the top 50%, the top 20? the top 10% and the top 1%?

              Then repeat that the poor  and the middle class pay while the rich do not.
              For purposes of definition let us define the top 10% as the evil, despised, envied, rich.

              "And you have all those cute little loop-holes to escape into. Don't pretend you don't."

              Well, no. Most people do not. But let's decide we can agree on something. Can we agree that the tax system is horribly broken and should be replaced with something else? I prefer the fair tax. It is a tax on consumption instead of on income. If we had the fair tax then everyone would pay their fair share.

              "And, my newly-learned phrase: *tax-expenditures*, like subsidies, mortgage deductions, charity deductions, I look good deductions, I'm married so I deserve more deductions, I have a fancy car deduction, I drink luxury water deduction...etc etc."

              So join me in a call to repeal that horrible amendment that allows the government to take from our income and create a new law, after its repeal, to implement a Fair Tax.

              "The tax codes have been altered to fit the rich.
              They can now be altered back."

              Fair Tax.

  12. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Actually--FICA is the one paying for SS, isn't it?
    SO--take off the cap...it is funded forever more!!!!

    You know, if you all REALLY practiced "trickle-down", we would be SO solvent and good!

    1. DTR0005 profile image84
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Not a bad idea removing the cap on FICA. Then again, the 6-figure crowd would then be paying into "us" and our poor, white trash retirement. That will no do lolll

  13. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    How does giving Russsshhhhh a tax cut help America?
    We had 10 years of it.....where are the jobs?
    They all left!!
    How come a school teacher pays federal, state and fica, but a hedgefunder pays fed and state, no fica?
    How come the answer is to give more to the wealthy, while taking more from the poor and middle?

    How come Obama is a bum, when he gave the poor and middle class a tax cut?
    Why are Baggers heros for giving cuts to billionaire's?
    When has trickle-down ever worked?

    Somebody, SHOW ME!

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You have no idea what you're talking about.

  14. Jeff Berndt profile image90
    Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago

    In the 1950s we had an expanding economy, and the top tax rate was close to 90%. In the 2000s, we were told that lower taxes were key to economic expansion. For some reason we believed it, and now the top tax rate is closer to 30%. And--I have no idea how this happened--in spite of the massive tax cuts, we somehow ended up in a big ol' recession!

    Clearly, tax rates and economic expansion do not have the same relationship that conservatives think they do.

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      please explain how high taxes expand the economy.

    2. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Jeff,

      Congratulations on your successes.

      Are you aware that under President Kennedy the top rate of 90% was reduced to around 70%. The economy grew. Prior to that the economy just fizzled out. We were booming after WWI because there was so much pent up demand for everything after a long and destructive world war.

      1. JamaGenee profile image89
        JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The U.S. economy boomed after WWII **only** because we were the only western nation whose factories hadn't been heavily damaged as to be inoperable or totally destroyed. It was a "boom by default" and destined to fizzle out as soon as Europe's factories were rebuilt and operating again. Our mistake was thinking the "boom" would last forever.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Jama,

          Okay. Americans had money. Americans had goods and services. Americans had optimism. Boom.

          Today, under President Obama do Americans have optimism? Do Americans have goods and services? Do Americans have money? The government has the money, real and imagined. Bust must come.

          1. Moderndayslave profile image60
            Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The un-Federal Reserve ensures Boom and Bust. Also after WW-2 We bought our own products and led in innovation.

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Modern,

              You wrote, "The un-Federal Reserve ensures Boom and Bust."

              Why would they ever want a recession? If the Federal Reserve had that much power and foresight why wouldn't we see steady growt forever? After all, that is where the real money is.

              "Also after WW-2 We bought our own products and led in innovation."

              Wasn't that all pre-union?

  15. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Barack Obama
    I believe we can live within our means and live up to our shared values—and I'll work with anyone willing to get it done. http://OFA.BO/Ddt9



    (notice the e.pluribus unom smile, and watch out for the neuro-linguistic-programming wink)

    1. weholdthesetruths profile image60
      weholdthesetruthsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      he lies about everything else too.

  16. thebrucebeat profile image59
    thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago

    Everyone reading this forum needs to read my new hub "Class Warfare - The American Way".  It gives some historical perspective to this debate.  But wear your seatbelts.  It's a long one.

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's been long living through it too smile

  17. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Anger defined it. Anger fueled it. Anger marred it."

    Let me guess, wehold is going to say this is not allowed.
    Anger cannot marry the tea-party! It is against our religion!

  18. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    What does socialism have to do with ANYTHING?
    This is America, we are talking political parties, and the Koch side has made socialism the issue!

    It is not an issue. It is a smear-tool.

    I am Democrat. You call me Socialist. Who is spreading the disease here?

    Not that socialism is a disease, but it has nothing to do with this discussion....until you make it.

    And I'm glad you like Bachmann....did you know she took in those kids for the extra income? She said so.
    Do you care that she got a $250,000 gift from the gvt she derides so much?

    5 kids on your healthcare dime....that doesn't bother you?
    Why not?
    If it was a poor mom, you would call her a mooch, wouldn't you?

    1. DannyMaio profile image61
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Bachmann could have provided foster care to a million kids and it wouldn’t matter. What somehow makes Bachmann anti-children is that she’s opposed to creating generations upon generations of government dependent sucklings saddled with multiple lifetimes of insurmountable debt. If you ask me, that’s anti-children.

      She took in 23 kids over the years! do you think it was all paid for by the government? she is extremely successful and did not have to do this! just goes to show how you truly are! you talk as though you are for the needy than this woman who doesn't have to, takes in 23 other kids besides 5 of her own and you try to degrade her? you people are messed up! you can spin it all you want I would love to see you take in that many! Just because she isn't for making people dependent on the government she is bad... really sad for you!

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Remind me of how much government money she took for taking in these children!

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Between that, and the farm subsidy, it was a lot!!

          And check this out:http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blogs/racist-tea-party-member-sends

          This "thing" from the TP sent out this e-mail...go see it and tell me there are no racists in the Tea Party!

          ps; I'm bittersweet over there...you can see a pic of me and my grandson...sort of.

        2. DannyMaio profile image61
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          SHOW ME HOW MUCH!!!! YOU HAVE THE PROOF BIG GUY??? I WILL BE WAITING FOR THAT ALSO> ADD IT TO THE LIST

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well there you go again! I ask a question and not only do you refuse to answer it, you expect me to answer it!!

            1. DannyMaio profile image61
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You stated how much government money she received, obviously you know so tell me??? I will be waiting! your doing it again as usual

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No, I asked. Do work on your comprehension.

                1. DannyMaio profile image61
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  How did you ask when you answered my post to someone else? you are the one who needs the comprehension lesson. go back like a big boy and check, you will see you answered my post to LMC.

                  1. John Holden profile image59
                    John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Quite simply, I asked "Remind me of how much government money she took for taking in these children!"

                    It makes no difference who you were posting to or are you the type of person who in a group conversation will tell somebody to shut up because you weren't speaking to them!

                    Tell you what, if you want a private conversation move it out of the public forum, OK?

            2. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              OK, I give in! Minnesota pays $30 a day, tax free. Assuming each child was in her care for 5 years, that makes a total of $1,259,250.

              $1.25 million yes, very little, I don't know how she managed! And so public spirited of her.

              1. DTR0005 profile image84
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                You awful man- you have attacked our favorite, Batshit Crazy Rep - Michelle Bachmann.

              2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "government spending is GOOD, John! Don't you know that 'government' is synonymous with 'good'?"

        3. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          but, john, government is GOOD.

          1. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            But abuse of government is bad.

            1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
              Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              "GOVERNMENT IS GOOD!! THEY GIVE US ROADS AND POLICE!!!"

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Good, we've got that sorted.

                1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                  Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "GOOOOOoooood"

      2. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        She is for not allowing OTHER people to be dependent on the gvt...it's fine and dandy for her!!

        How do you not see this?

        1. DannyMaio profile image61
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          she has stated she gets very little for them. please show me proof of what she gets. thanks

        2. BillyDRitchie profile image61
          BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Wait, you mean you WANT people dependent on government?

          And Danny, LMC has been throwing this accusation around on a couple of threads. No proof there, so why should we suddenly expect it here?

          Typical liberal approach, say something often enough and some people will start to buy it as truth...

          1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
            Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            As much as I hate conservative nincumpoopery, it still makes me amazed when i hear people say "I want government to run my life for me".

            In the words of Mr. Milton Friedman:

            "Is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed? Do you think Russia doesn't run on greed? Do you think that China doesn't run on greed? What is greed? Of course none of US are greedy, it's the other fellow who's greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests... Excuse me, pardon me, but do you think that the American Presidents reward virtue? do they choose their appointees on the basis of the virtue of the people appointed, or on the basis of their political clout?"

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

            1. John Holden profile image59
              John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Greed:-

              1.    excessive consumption of or desire for food; gluttony
              2.    excessive desire, as for wealth or power

              1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                It's always the other person who defines "excessive", isn't it!

                Oh Johnny, what we goin' do wit'cha!?

                1. John Holden profile image59
                  John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No, who can deny that billions of $$$ is much more than is needed for a good life.

                  1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    That's not a definition, that's nothing more than a random number generated as an artificial boundary.

                    Nice try though.

                    Still waiting on a definition of "excessive wealth".

                    (Psst, here's proof that you're venture to define the term will be impossible: kings use to be "excessively wealthy" by the standards of their days, but today they'd be amongst the poorest of the poor!!)

                    Good luck!

                    Oh, and, until you actually define excessively wealthy, then I'm afraid the entire argument about greed is completely moot.

            2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
              Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Haven't you heard that "greed is good," at least according to Gordon Gekko, and Lloyd Blankfein of Goldmine Sucks who claims to be "doing the Lord's work."

              1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I watched that new Gordon Gecko movie.

                I'm surprised that you haven't noticed the obvious mistake that made the entire movie's argument completely flawed.

                Wealth isn't a Zero Sum game. Just because I make a dollar doesn't mean that everyone else is one dollar less rich.

                Marx was wrong.

                And don't you even TRY to use Goldman Sachs and all those other "We got bailed out by the taxpayer-suckers" companies. Those clearly are the mistake of government.

          2. John Holden profile image59
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Nowhere have I seen LMC say this, or even imply it.
            You have to be a strong contender for Danny's twister award.

            1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
              Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Irony!

            2. BillyDRitchie profile image61
              BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You've never seen LMC say how great government is or how much she wants them to do for us, blah blah blah....I've never seen one person so on the hook for government as the answer to every problem....

              1. John Holden profile image59
                John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                There is a difference between wanting government to do everything for everyman and expecting government to fulfil its role properly.

                That seems to elude you who seems to construe every effort to get government to butt out of peoples private lives as wanting government to do everything for us.

                1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
                  BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Um, John, one of the basics of liberalism is MORE government in our lives.  When is the last time a liberal administration did anything to reduce the size and scope of government?

              2. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                she is a socialist like John! If you see what see writes, she claims she is mad at obama for not being more left! at least John admits he is a socialist. she is a closet socialist. And they talk smack whether you like Bachman or not she took in 23 kids and you know even if she received some sort of assistance that would not equal to what came out of pocket to do such a wonderful thing! and what about the time, all the clothes to wash, cooking etc... I'm truly starting to believe these people are insane! I would like to see her Take 23 kids in!

                1. lovemychris profile image79
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  There you go--always with the labeling.
                  Socialist, Jew-Hater, blah blah blah

                  You want to play?
                  You are a closet fascist, how you like that?

                  You don't want gvt to do anything, but make the roads safe for Donald Trump.
                  You want American kids dying overseas to fill the coffers of Haliburton and Xe.

                  See how it goes?

                  Let me try again...for the MILLIONTH and three trillionth time!!!

                  I want every citizen in my country fed, housed, healthy and warm. I want every child to have the opportunity for a great eduction and a nice life.I don't want wise, elderly seniors to suffer lives of poverty when they can't work anymore. PERIOD.

                  You want to make billions-kill yo-self!
                  Just DON'T expect to pay next to nothing for the priveledge.
                  And DON'T take out of the pot to stick in your account, what rightfully belongs to the people who have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to afford your over-priced, low-quality goods and services!

                  Comprende? Capiche? Get it?

                  1. DannyMaio profile image61
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    This is a capitalist country! always was and hope it will stay that way! I'm for helping people and in case you have not heard we have section 8 welfare, medicare and all that is happening is people are taking advantage of it! The rich pay 70% of the taxes and they are only 10% of the population! how much do you want them to pay???? people need to be responsible for their own actions and life! yes, I want people who fall on hard times to be able to get help and believe we need to help the elderly! you keep screaming the republicans are taking away SS and Medicare for the elderly! THEY ARE NOT! READ THE DAM BILL!! it does not effect anyone even 55 and up! The system is broke and they are fixing what has been destroyed! What they did was a CRIME!! they stole the money over the last 50 years instead of putting it in a special account! that is robbery! now its broke and we do not have enough coming in to pay what has to go out! what part of that don't you understand? like I stated I'm a fiscally responsible democrat and to me that means Get your house in order financially and help the elderly and some people who need it but not make them rely on the help!! IT is NOT a RIGHT to have health-care, a roof over your head or food!

                  2. BillyDRitchie profile image61
                    BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Rightfully belongs?  Um, hate to break it to you, but the money rightfully belongs to whoever gets out there and earns it.  As in works for it, either through hard, nose to the grindstone work, or by making wise financial decisions.

          3. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's no accusation, it's the truth.
            She took 1 and 1 half MILLION dollars from the "evil" gvt....the "ganster" gvt....
            So what does that make her?
            She's a gangster herself.

            If you don't believe she took money for those kids...well, then at the very LEAST she took $250,000 for her family farm.

            But-she did say she took in foster kids to supplement her income.  You want to believe she didn't take the max allowed, you go ahead. I do belive it. I think she squeezed every last dime she could get.

            Then told the veterans to take a hike.

            1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
              BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And your proof for all this is.....where?  It's been asked of you several times, LMC.....

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And I've answered several times!!!
                You telling me you never heard of the quarter MIL she took for her farm?
                Please...

                Go look over this whole thread...you will see that John and I both found the same info about foster kids in Minnesota.

                You say she didn't take any money for it? I say she did. She said she did it to supplement her income.

                Welfare momma!! Just deal with it.

                1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
                  BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Um, I haven't really researched this issue until just now, but even a cursory search reveals that the farm in question belonged to Bachmann's father, not the congresswoman herself.

                  Nice try, though....

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Geuss you didn't look vewwy hard...he managed it, not owned it.

                    "December 22, 2009
                    Categories:House Republicans.Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies
                    Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) — so fond of accusing the Obama administration of foisting socialism on an unwilling America — has apparently been the recipient of about a quarter of million bucks in government handouts.

                    Liberal site Truthdig links to an Environmental Working Group analysis of federal agricultural subsidies and found that the Bachmann family farm, managed by her father-in-law until his recent death, received $251,000 in farm payments between 1995 and 2006.

                    Bachmann’s financial disclosure forms indicate her stake in the Wisconsin farm is worth up to $250,000. Her income from the farm has grown from $2,000 a year a few years back to as much as $50,000 for 2008.

                    Truthdig calls her a "Welfare Queen":

                    Bachmann's family farm received $251,973 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2006. The farm had been managed by Bachmann's recently deceased father-in-law and took in roughly $20,000 in 2006 and $28,000 in 2005, with the bulk of the subsidies going to dairy and corn. Both dairy and corn are heavily subsidized — or "socialized" — businesses in America (in 2005 alone, Washington spent $4.8 billion propping up corn prices) and are subject to strict government price controls.

                    Bachmann isn't alone in her selective socialism: EWG found that the top four districts receiving the largest ag payments are represented by conservative Republicans.

                    1. 3rd district of Nebraska (Rep. Adrian Smith - Republican) - $1,736,923,011 in subsidies go to 51,702 recipients.

                    2. 1st district of Kansas (Rep. Jerry Moran - Republican) - $1,315,979,151 in subsidies go to 75,802 recipients.

                    3. 4th district of Iowa (Rep. Tom Latham - Republican) - $1,288,622,912 in subsidies go to 35,696 recipients.

                    4. 9th district of Texas (Rep. Randy Neugebauer - Republican) - $1,227,192,312 in subsidies go to 21,290 recipients.
                    *****

                    Who says politics doesn't pay?

            2. BillyDRitchie profile image61
              BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              And if she did take the money, as long as it was legal, your arguments hold no water.

              This is funny, pro-lifers get slammed for not doing anything for these unwanted children, yet when somebody like Bachmann does something, well, then their motivation must be wrong.....wow.....

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Bullarky!

                SHE is the one saying no one deserves money from the gvt, not me!

                Poor veterans...nope.
                Poor moms....nope.
                poor kids.....nope.

                Michelle Bachmann...oh hellsyeah!

              2. DTR0005 profile image84
                DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I am sure it was legal her taking the money - if she did. I don't begrudge her the money.  But it is damn hypocritical at the very least given her vitriolic track record.

              3. JamaGenee profile image89
                JamaGeneeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                She didn't take in those 23 kids out of the goodness of her heart, but to >>>augment her family's income<<<. What part of 'she did it for the MONEY' do you not understand???

                1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
                  BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  And you would know this how?  It's already been established that Ms. Bachmann doesn't need the money.

                  Or are only liberals capable of doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts?

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    WRONG!
                    She DID need the money. And after the gift from Uncle Sam, THAT'S when her income soared!

                    Like we've been telling you: She is a welfare Queen! She used Socialism (tax money) to further her personal wealth,which is what Corporate America does ALL the time!

                    They just complain about it for everyone else.
                    They want THEIRS, they don't want you to have any.

                    It's really very simple. Politics of superiority and greed.

                2. DannyMaio profile image61
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Any body with commonsense will tell you what they give you doesn't even come close to what it costs to take in those children! that is a jealous fools statement! what about the time and energy to do such a thing? you people are never happy. Just miserable envious people. I bet if a person from your party did it they would be a Mother Teresa!

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, how come when single moms do it, they're bums? Just cause it's their kids? That makes the kids somehow less deserving?

                    Face it--it's still ALL about superiority! You act like  foster moms are saints, while welfare moms are no-good slobs. Oh-and here's another one: single dads!
                    OH my GOD...do you ever hear how people gush??
                    They don't even CARE what the gvt gives him, it's not enough.

                    Take more! Take more! but a single mom......it's a whole different story. It's curious.

            3. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi love,

              Boy, you are as slick as slick willie. Wikipedia reports she rented out the farm. She did not get far subsidies directly. The individual she rented the farm to did. She received rents from a farmer who did what the current laws encourage.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Wait, her farm subsidy went to a renter? HUH?
                It is the Bachmann family farm.
                And funny how her income from the farm ballooned.
                She's a hypocrit.
                "Give to me, but the hell with you."

                1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
                  BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  First law of conservatism:  Never confuse a liberal with facts....

                  1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    That would explain why you never cite any facts.

                2. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi love,

                  Wikipedia show that she rented the farm. One newspaper article shows she has a 1/4th interest in the farm.

    2. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi love,

      You asked about democrats and socialism. The democrats are a political party. Socialism is an economic model used to guide one's decisions about how to implement politics. Democrats, as a political party, have embraced socialism as an economic model. That may be why the democrat talking points are full of Marxist class warfare rhetoric. You hear of the glory of labor unions, of the need to tax the rich, who already pay way more than their fair share, and the needs of the poor, the downtrodden, the disenfranchised, etc ad nauseum.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh for God's sakes, go have lunch with the Queen!! She's used to dozing at mealtimes.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi love,

          Perhaps you are just not up to the challenge of real discourse. I understand.

          1. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Challenge me then.

            So far, all you've done is ask me to believe you over my own eyes.

            1. sn53Anon profile image61
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hi love,

              I think we are done. You know way too many things that are not so to have your mind changed on anything.

              1. Doug Hughes profile image60
                Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                TRANSLATION - I think I am losing this debate and better withdraw - trying to save face if I can.

                1. BillyDRitchie profile image61
                  BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I love needling LMC, but to attempt rational debate with her is pointless.

                  You cannot have a rational conversation with somebody who a) continually buys into nutjob conspiracy theories, or b) believes the answer to every problem is "more government"

                2. sn53Anon profile image61
                  sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hi Doug,

                  My background is intelligence and engineering. I like facts. I like to interpret them. I love to discuss ideas. In this thread love has run out of things to say. So it is time to move on to another thread.

                  If you believe that means I am losing this debate (where, in fact very little has actually taken place) I am good with your interpretation. It seems a bit shallow but I am a guest here.

  19. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Then I'm an A$$.

    Why don't you read what she wants to NOT fund, while her happy a$$ was collecting 1 and a half mil from Uncle Sam.

  20. Ralph Deeds profile image69
    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago

    A couple of days ago I heard a pundit refer to the current crop of GOP leading candidates as "the seven dwarfs."

    And David Brooks's op-ed today entitled "Why Trump Soars" is worth a read if you like a little political humor. (Brooks is a moderate, old-fashioned non-Tea Party Republican.)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/opini … ef=opinion

  21. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Weekly reminder: Paul Ryan voted for the Bush tax cuts, Iraq war, Medicare Part D & TARP"

    "Teabaggers will protest raising taxes on billionaires but won't protest commodity speculators driving up the prices of gas"

  22. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Republicans take control of the house & the price of gas skyrockets. Ayn Rand governance on the march. Commodity speculators running wild"

    Paul Ryan is a fan of Ayan Rand. Do the math.

    Over and out.

    1. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi love,

      You wrote, Republicans take control of the house & the price of gas skyrockets."

      I suppose there is no connection to the President Obama's shut down of oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, his disastrous Middle East policies (destroy your allies while coddling your enemies), his enormous deficit spending, along with a growing China and India and the rising cost of gasoline?

      As we enter the era of jimmy Carter levels of inflation combined with the double digit growth in government workers I suppose those symptoms of failed fiscal policy will also, in your mind be the result of the Republicans control of the House of Representatives.

      1. DannyMaio profile image61
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        She said you are not worthy of a real comment because you have no BIO or any Hubs. Personally I do not see the logic behind that answer, maybe you do? Personally I think it is hard to fight commonsense and logic.

        1. John Holden profile image59
          John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          But you don't let that stop you from trying to fight common-sense and logic do you?

        2. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Danny,

          I am not worthy...That is terrific.

  23. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    From Les Visible:

    "One of the things that depart (and there are several of them) when you inevitably give in to the gravitational pull of self interest is gratitude, after that compassion is by the side of the road with its thumb out. We cease to care about our fellows because we are in survival mode and the conditions worsen or temporarily improve according to the actions of those pulling the strings.
    I believe I understand the real value of these qualities; compassion, gratitude, integrity etc. They are a kind of protective armor which is much more effective than Dragon-Skin. Most people do not see how incredibly valuable these things are. They might have some idea that these are components of good character but the magical efficacy of it escapes them. These are powerful forces. As Lao Tzu once said, “Compassion is a weapon from the sky against being dead."

    ****

  24. DannyMaio profile image61
    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago

    You Socialist do not understand the reality of socialism or are just lazy looking for handouts! If every country was socialist there would not be advancements as we have today! everybody would be doing what was needed to survive, but because we have opportunity to be better and richer people invest in ideas. why should someone work 16 hours a day 7 days a week if they had to give up most of what they earned while others worked basic jobs and was home after an hour lunch and 2 15 minute breaks and worked 5 days a week? who would want to do this??? also our poor here in the states have air condition, electricity, cars maybe not new but cars, cell phones, computers etc... is that the same in many other countries? even our poor who many made bad choices, drugs, alcohol, partying not going to school etc... get to have a better life then many other countries. Our poor in some other countries is like living the high life in those countries. You want more go earn it!

    1. DTR0005 profile image84
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So you see some great nobility in working an insane amount of hours? I do not. I have come close, on many occasions, to working what you describe. And I did because my business owner believed I was "exempt" from any semblance of a normal life. You will find, quite paradoxically, that the "noble" working-your-fingers-to-the-grindstone doesn't greatly improve productivity - bragging rights, yes.
      Average people, most of us, are not lazy - they are just "average." But I do see some of what you are saying in regards to welfare.

      1. DannyMaio profile image61
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        DTR, I know a lot of people are hard workers. And when you own your own business and trying to make your self better it bothers you when you now how hard you worked and then to be given to people who are working the system, IT HURTS. I'm all for helping the people who truly need it, but Hate when I see people working the system. My brother is an average Joe, he loves his free time and enjoys bowling. he is a pizza guy. That is what makes him happy so that is fine, he doesn't look for anything free, he works hard and enjoys life. Of course me and my other brother always buy him things and he complains for us to stop, even stopped us from visiting him for a few months. but that is our brother and we want him to have things and hopefully put away for his retirement.

    2. dingdondingdon profile image60
      dingdondingdonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Sweden, one of the most developed nations in the world with one of the highest standards of living, has a rather strongly socialist government.

      You were saying?

      1. sn53Anon profile image61
        sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi ding,

        You are aware, aren't you, that the Swedes are backing away from their socialism. It seems they too, are running our of other people's money.

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Here's how it works:
          Pay the gvt, they're stealing your money
          Pay a CEO, it's his due.

          1. sn53Anon profile image61
            sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi love,

            I don't actually pay the CEO. I buy a good or a service. A portion of that cost covers all of the overhead that it takes to provide that good or service. The nicest part is that with the CEO I get to choose. The government forces me to pay.

    3. 60
      CLake46posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      When you TP people speak of socialism look to Gov. Snyder of Michigan selling off his state to corporations. FYI, polls show 86% of Americans hate Ryans plan. He got an earful at his townhall & it was awsome because one man giving him hell said he was a republican. Polls also show the 48% of Republicans also hate Ryans plan. I'm sure the TP on this site will ask for proof like they do about everything  & so I say look, read, listen, research like i did.  It's really hard to find & accept proof when you're in denial!

  25. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    This is interesting...

    KKK calls Tea Party "socialists", orders members not to attend their protests. http://bit.ly/gJAguC

  26. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    KKK, LLC:

    "We do NOT support any political party, all have betrayed the trust of the American people, and they have compromised their agenda to support the Progressive Socialist enslavement of the American people."

  27. prettydarkhorse profile image63
    prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago

    of course, I don't have the time to browse through. Being an interest group, the Tea Party will survive as long as there are "rich cuddlers"  who don't realize the basic motto "No Man is an Island".

    1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well last week I realised we have a few representitives in the house going up to bat for the American people. Was very happy they were stating how the government has become greedy, about money and power, and they were stating the problems the local and state goverments are having because the federal goverment is taking to many freedoms to allow the local goverments any say in helping them, when they are the best to know what their people need in various communities. It is not a one size shoe fits kind of thing. Like they stated depending on where you are located, depends a lot on the employment, healthcare, transportation all away cross the board. Was happy at least the 5 i listened to on c-span were actually going up to bat for the people instead of the goverment itself.

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
        prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        people centric style of government is long forgotten hah..

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hi pretty,

          In politics it is always a question of which people. Who pays? Who takes?

          As I read many of the messages here I realize that for many of you it is a matter of goading the government to loot and plunder the productive parts of our society on behalf of the unproductive who will sell their votes for a small amount of someone else's stuff.

          I am reminded of the images of the LA riots. The only difference between the thugs carrying off other people's property and the many of the people who post here is the government acting as the go-between, smashing windows, setting fires, and stealing for them.

    2. DTR0005 profile image84
      DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      PDH - that's a great motto and one I really try to live by, but therein lies the fundamental difference between liberal and conservative thinking. Don't you agree?

      1. prettydarkhorse profile image63
        prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Of course I agree!

      2. sn53Anon profile image61
        sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi DTR,

        Do you believe that governments should behave the way individual's behave? Is that why you believe the government should steal as much as possible from me in order to give my things to you?

        1. DTR0005 profile image84
          DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I have never thought I was being raped by taxes. I doubt any "rational" American could make the argument that they are over-taxed. The rich have a thousand shelter and loopholes, the poor pay nothing bascially, and the middle class pay, compared to the rest of the civilized world, a ridiculously small percentage of their income to the government. In fact, I see my tax dollars going for the greeater good and would gladly pay more for a government-based, universal healthcare plan. And government isn't stealing from anyone; that's the reason we have such an outrageous deficit - no onw wants to pay, but very few deny the services.

          1. sn53Anon profile image61
            sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi DTR,

            What percentage o you pay? Perhaps you are one of the great many who are unaware. Not that it is entirely your fault. If we really wanted change we could believe in the government should send each of us an itemized bill each month. If we had to mail in our payments much of the redistribution of wealth nonsense would stop.

            The thief on the corner is also redistributing wealth. Only he is more honest than you about what he is doing.

            And you know, you don't need to insist that the government come and steal more of what I earn in order for yo to pay more taxes. Put your money where you mouth is DTR and write a big check.

            1. DTR0005 profile image84
              DTR0005posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              My overall tax burden, across the board, is around 17%. That is after all the deductions, all the tricks - everything. And that isn't bad - in my opinion.

  28. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 5 years ago

    Good start Danny-
    "Goldman Sachs Group Inc. employs almost as many people in London today as it did in 2007, before Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. filed for the biggest bankruptcy in history, sparking a global recession."

    They are taking us to hell in a handcart.

    " Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, recipient of the world’s biggest bank bailout, "

    "RBS, the largest lender owned by the government, "

    "U.K. taxpayers have invested 45.5 billion pounds in RBS for an 83 percent stake and 20 billion pounds in Lloyds for a 41 percent holding."

    And Danny, try borrowing for your small business or for your new house, the banks aren't interested.

  29. Moderndayslave profile image60
    Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago

    The Beginning of the end for the Tea party? It may be the beginning of the end for us if some of our elected officials don't get their stuff together.We have Men still in Iraq (Peacekeeping?),War in Afghanistan (This one is still up for debate,and it doesn't look good)now NATO say's we will need boots on the ground in Lybia. Fuel is approaching 5.00 a gallon(Depending where you live)There are stories all over the place on why oil is high but are they all related? Apparently Lybia has a very desirable grade of crude oil.The Fed's printing presses are about to melt, Standard + Poors is going to recommend that America's rating be dropped down from triple A.That is going to screw every single one of us.What are they worried about in DC? Raising our credit card limit while corporate welfare is at an all time high.

    1. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Modern.

      You wrote, " Raising our credit card limit while corporate welfare is at an all time high."

      Do you agree with me then that we should greatly reduce, or even eliminate corporate welfare? Ryan's Blueprint for Prosperity proposes that theme.

      1. Moderndayslave profile image60
        Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I wrote that because of the input I had driving home from work listening to the news / propaganda and not by"Looking at Any ones plan" So I will not comment on anyones plan until I go through it. Everyone has to contribute to this country . Now, the tax rates seem to be on a graduated scale from who can least afford it to who can afford more.That's where the problem starts, there are loopholes for corporations like GE and wealthy individuals. Ge found a way "legal" apparently to pay no tax on profits also labeled income,so have other companies.These loopholes exist because some of OUR elected representatives got something in return for making that loophole. I don't have names handy but I can open another window and find out quite easily . Now for the well to do class.They seem to feel that all commerce will end if they don't keep more if their money,,,, hogwash,, (that took alot of restraint) so let's take it from some helpless elderly disabled people instead. The wealthy say they  can't create jobs because they don't have as much money is a lie too be cause they don't want to work ,they will hire someone to do it. and they need workers.  Also another working class slob,like me, will open up some sort of business if one is not around to hire me.Not everyone is like that or have the means but someone will fill the vacuum. It's been 30 years since Ronnie Raygun and you can tell from the shape were in and who holds  the cards,,Trickle down doesn't work and  our country has been looted. Our kids are gonna inherit misery.

        1. sn53Anon profile image61
          sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this
  30. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    OFF TOPIC:

    This just caught my eye because 2 people have mentioned Canary Wharf in here. AND, I know that 7/7 has been talked about as another false flag operation. Anyway;

    'On 7th July 2005, at 09.48 US Eastern Standard Time, a CNN breaking news report was filed with a news service giving details of a conversation between a reporter and Brian Paddick of the Metropolitan police (CNN, 2005). In this conversation, a reporter asked Brian Paddick:

    “Can you tell me -- the rumors that a police sniper shot dead a suicide bomber at Canary Wharf -- do you know anything about that?” Paddick responded: “We have no reports of any police sniper shooting at anybody today.” The time stamp on the CNN report indicates that the news summary was posted at 13.48 GMT.

    At least one press agency and media outlet were aware of an alleged shooting at Canary Wharf on the morning of 7th July. These alleged shootings have now become central to an alternative theory about 7/7 presented in an internet documentary called 7/7 Ripple Effect (Hill, 2007).'

    Read more: What Happened at Canary Wharf on 7th July 2005

    Carry on smile

  31. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    For some reason, reminds me of Ft Hood. And Obama once said in a speech shortly after that incident, "We've been Hood-Winked".

  32. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 5 years ago

    And also slightly off topic, related to the 7/7 bombings.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI2YdHt_V7s

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's powerful. Reminds me of Hurricane, by Bob Dylan.
      Time for your shock and awe, huh?
      Ain't that the truth.

  33. Ralph Deeds profile image69
    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago

    These companies paid no taxes. And Exxon got a refund.

    http://front.moveon.org/d-which-corpora … recirctest

  34. 60
    CLake46posted 5 years ago

    Can Wal-Mart afford to pay it's employee's $12.00 hour? They can afford it while paying off the GOP. The Walton family owns Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club and are one of the biggest contributors to the GOP.  Wal-Mart and Sam’s Club do not allow unions. They along with the Koch bros & Coors beer (to name a few) contibute to the Heritage Foundation. Heritage fights against environmental laws, unions and anything else that puts people before corporate profits. The Koch brothers and Walton family give generously to Heritage. First the GOP & now the tea baggers.

  35. Mighty Mom profile image89
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    Hi Mighty,

    you wrote, "Well then, I guess half of Republicans are fools or knaves."



    Actually, that was 50% of Republicans who were polled on this issue, not 50% of the GOP Congress.
    But speaking of Congress, somehow, I don't really expect this crop of TP frosh to last more than one term -- unless they learn how it works.


    I actually had written "assholes" but changed it.
    This is the problem with ideology over practicality. "Shut 'er down!" makes a great sound bite. But once you think through the implications (which is how adults approach it) you realize it's very short-sighted AND will cost more money than it will save.


    No, childish is digging in your heels and refusing to listen to anyone else. The TP aren't making choices, they're making ultimatims. They are the ones Obama is talking about when he says people need to act like adults.
    Saying "No, no, no" is not adult.

    "Stand by your principles even if it means shutting down the government. Nice."



    Oh yes. Newt Gingrich is my hero. roll

  36. DannyMaio profile image61
    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago

    Myth: Socialism and Communism Are Very Different Things
    By Capitalist in Chief

    Modern socialists would like to distance themselves from communism because of its bad reputation and often claim that communism is unrelated to socialism or at best tenuously related, but this is not the case.

    Numerous people have come to this site and complained about its logo because it contains a communist symbol, which according to them, has barely anything to do with socialism, or perhaps nothing at all.

    Let’s see indeed what are the differences between socialism and communism…

    From the Encyclopedia Britanica’s online entry on communism:

        the political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. Communism is thus a form of socialism—a higher and more advanced form, according to its advocates. Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists’ adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx.

    (I added the bolding.)

    Communism is thus a form of socialism, and its distinction rests mostly on its revolutionary tactics.

    Let’s see what Britanica has to say about Karl Marx, the father of communism:

        revolutionary, sociologist, historian, and economist. He published (with Friedrich Engels) Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei (1848), commonly known as The Communist Manifesto, the most celebrated pamphlet in the history of the socialist movement. He also was the author of the movement’s most important book, Das Kapital. These writings and others by Marx and Engels form the basis of the body of thought and belief known as Marxism.

    (Again, I added the bolding.)

    So the Communist Manifesto is “the most celebrated pamphlet in the history of the socialist movement.” If communism were only scantly related to socialism, Karl Marx would have pulled off quite an impossible feat writing a pamphlet on communism to become the most celebrated among those who believe something very different.

    Modern socialists distance themselves from the revolutionary and dictatorial aspects of communism, but in fact, people who still support communism today do the same, claiming that what happened in the Soviet Union was not true communism.

    In terms of implementation, all forms of socialism, communism included, seek to enact (1) strict government control and ownership of industry and (2) redistribution of wealth.

    And they all fail due to exactly the same things, (1) their inability to efficiently and properly manage and allocate common resources and (2) their inherent disincentive for achievement.

    In conclusion, communism and socialism work toward achieving the same ends. Only their methods of achieving those ends are different. Communism uses revolution, while socialism uses evolution, manipulating the system into accepting it over time.

    1. sn53Anon profile image61
      sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Danny,

      Socialism is the economic theory. Communism is the political arm that implements the policies. By the way socialists and communists hate it when you call them that. They are Progressives. Much like the Communists, the Bolshevik (majority party) was in the minority. Progressives, communists, socialists. They are all essentially the same.

  37. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 5 years ago

    Wow, an article by "Capitalist in Chief" I bet there is absolutely no bias there!

    1. DannyMaio profile image61
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is all commonsense my friend! can you dispute it with actual proof?

      1. John Holden profile image59
        John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Why do you expect actual proof to discredit a pile of squit?

        You put up a sound argument from somebody arguing with facts and I'll give you actual proof, give me a lot of uninformed prejudice and don't expect me to waste my time over it.

        By the way, it was once common sense that the world was flat and the Sun orbited the Earth, that man would disintegrate at speeds of 30 mph and millions more.

        Hey if I say to you that it is only common sense that capitalists eat babies then you'll believe that will you?

        1. Mighty Mom profile image89
          Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Of course, John! EVERYONE knows capitalists eat babies!!
          Why do you think our "c" (capitalist, conservative) brethren are so adamently against abortion? Cuts down on their food supply. It's a FACT! lol

          Now how long do you think it will take for one of our trolls to call me hate-filled? I give it 2 posts, max lol

          1. DannyMaio profile image61
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Why haven't you answered one of the posts sn53Anon asked with a sound real answer?

            You socialists and yes you are a socialist also. you like to twist everything to fit your mindset. Please show me one example where socialism works in a decent size country!
            Tell me why it is right to take other peoples money?
            tell me how much is enough for you to take from people who risked their money and succeeded and worked so hard for? Also would you have given their money back if they failed to succeed?
            Why do you have a computer? you know if you didn't buy one you could have given that money to feed some people! the computer is a luxury why don't you practice what you preach? If you want more go earn it! take some chances to be successful, put in a lot of time and energy. The opportunity is there for everyone! If you want it bad enough, eventually you will succeed. Can you compare the poor here with other countries? do they have cell phones, air condition etc...

            1. Mighty Mom profile image89
              Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              My Goodness, Danny,
              You'd think YOU were sn53Anon. Are you?


              I have a computer because I write for a living. I use it to make money. I make as much money as I can. And then I deduct allowed business expenses and pay what I owe to the IRS and CA Franchise Tax Board.
              I am not a socialist.
              I'm very pro capitalist. If there were no capitalists out there needing marketing, I would not have a job.

              As to why I have not answered sn53Anon with a "sound real answer." Isn't that really between me and sn53Anon?
              But for the record, I am suspicious of pepole who show up out of the blue and start challenging people without bothering to post a profile or legitimizing themselves as HUBBERS by writing hubs. I don't owe sn53Anon anything.
              If he/she wishes to be a real part of this community, he/she is welcome to post a profile and write some hubs.
              Till then, sn53Anon is a non-entity.

              1. DannyMaio profile image61
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                So from your own words you make your money because of capitalism, why do you fight against it so much? I hope you do not write political stuff? unless it is far-left thinking stuff, because I would say maybe that is why you are not rich. I hope you do well! I like to read not write and Have read some very fascinating Hubs on here. Also some people are wonderful with Poems which I also like to read.

                Your views are very socialist and I do not know why you deny this? You stated many times and I can find pages full of you saying Obama isn't far left enough? How can you honestly say you are not socialist saying such things??

                I'm really not a mean and nasty person and actually love almost everyone. I just do not like when the Right or the Left says Half truths. Yes things could be better and the answer is not GOVERNMENT! never has never will. Once you get to a certain point it is all over! Look we have the schools now stopping wiffle ball and dodge ball? why are they getting involved? slowly but surely everything we had is disappearing right before our eyes! No more pledge of allegiance, can not say Christmas, now it is Happy Holidays. You always complain that the republicans want to stop abortions, that is not 100% true, they do not want tax payer money to get to it, that is the biggest issue and they are correct. Also what happened to family helping out the less fortunate in their own family? shouldn't it start there? I do, I help family members. I actually took in my grandfather for 2 years. He couldn't save for retirement and came to America to have his kids live a better life. I had a big house and took him in, My wife who is not even blood helped take care of him before having to go into the hospital and then passed 2 months later. As a people we should help the government will only make matters worse! look at SS where is all that money that was collected over the last 50 years? If they actually put it away and gained some interest we would be in good shape, but no they spent it thinking they could just raise taxes! that is criminal. If we did this we would be in Jail! you know it.

              2. sn53Anon profile image61
                sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Mighty,

                No problem. Even if you are unable or unwilling to respond I shall still ask you questions. I intend to win you to my side. I have already planted the seeds of doubt in you. You know that looting, plundering, enslaving are all morally wrong. Once you realize that basic point and can see that one party, the Democratic party, is all about plunder, you will be forced to come over to the good side, the conservative side.

                1. Mighty Mom profile image89
                  Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I think we can have a very thoughtful discussion about looting and plundering, as there are various ways to accomplish these things.
                  I do wish you would provide a persona for yourself, tho, as you seem to have worthwhile ideas (some, not all0.
                  Otherwise, you are relegated to troll status sad.
                  And trolls are second class Hubber citizens (see, I'm not tolerant at all, therefore I cannot be a liberal lol!!!

                  1. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi Mighty,

                    I am polite. I seldom call names (unless it is really necessary).

                    You can already see that I am not a troll ( in the classic early Internet sense). I make every effort to write so that I will be easily understood. I try to entertain. I never ridicule anyone even though I am here because I disagree with most of the people who post here.

                    I am also following in the time-honored tradition of posting anonymously. That shall continue.

                2. Moderndayslave profile image60
                  Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  How is the conservative side "The Good Side"?

                  1. sn53Anon profile image61
                    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Hi Modern,

                    Good versus evil. Looting, plundering, stealing are all evil. Even if you have the votes. Democrats are the party of plunder and rapine. See how they are linked with the government unions in a corrupt bargain that enriches them at the expense of the nation's taxpayers. They are evil. For evil to win good men need only do...nothing.

                    Conservatives are, by and large, people who believe in a constitutionally-based, limited government. In and of itself that is sufficient for us to be the good guys.

          2. sn53Anon profile image61
            sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Hi Mighty,

            One must have a sense of humor and irony. Some on this thread have one. Some have the other. Very few have both. I'd say keep up the great effort.

            We don't have to agree. But one of our highest obligations to ourselves is to have as much fun as we possibly can. Spread your joy by spreading your humor and your sense of the ironic.

    2. DannyMaio profile image61
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in