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Remember you all had mothers

  1. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    "In Four Months, Republicans Introduced 916 Bills Against Women’s Right To Choose
    On April 20, 2011, in Domestic Policies, by Ezra Grant"

    "Four months, 916 bills intro­duced. Sounds like a new record is about to be set. What­ever hap­pened to Roe v. Wade? You know, the 1973 deci­sion by the Supreme Court that gives women the right under the 14th amend­ment of the Con­sti­tu­tion to make that choice? The law that has guided this issue for the last four decades?"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVxv6AFt7YM

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      Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your title says "Remember you all had mothers".....

      Well, yeah, we did.  All those of us who weren't aborted.  So what's your point?

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        33rdn8thposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The point is pretty clear.  Republicans in the House (because that is the source of the bills) are more interested in limiting a woman's right to choose than they are on jobs.  How many jobs bills have been introduced by the current House?  NONE. 

        So in essence he is pointing out that they bambozzled the folks that believed that was their sole focus, as stated during the campaign.  They continue to do so today, and keep pounding falsehoods at every opportunity.  Look at the recent shutdown talk.  (Because their rationale for a clear path to job creation is cutting spending and lowering the deficit.)  After all is said and done, the cuts will be in the millions,and not billions.  So again it was political theatre... for nothing. 

        So back to the point of the post, republicans, have proven that they are more focused on limiting a woman's right to choose than they are with fixing the economy or lowering the deficit.  Which is a paradox in itself because the Ryan budget calls for substantial cuts in early childhood education (Head Start), medicaid (for poor mothers), and take away avenues to get low-cost pre-natal care.  So that tells me that they care about a child UNTIL he/she are born.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No.  It tells me they're finally focusing on the right to Life that each person has.  It's about time they quit letting the Left distract them from the most important points.  I sure hope they get around to dealing with the other moral issues as well, soon.   Those are the issues that the Left are using to destroy America's morale and morality.  If those are dealt with correctly, the issue of jobs and money and foreign policy will follow, put back in place as they should be.

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            33rdn8thposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Morale and morality?  Who had that, and when did America have any?  Marale, maybe, morality NEVER.  Being pro-life if your belief and you are free to feel that way.  However, you nor I should be able to tell someone else that they can't do whatever they want to or with their body.  Morality is relative, and tied to a religious faith.  We can all be law abiding people, but have a completely different outlook on morality.  Morals are personal, as is a person's decision as to what her and her doctor views as safe and legal. 

            Jobs, won't come after morality.  Nor will the money.  Foriegn policy problem is that we are an imperilist country, but don't want to be.   There is no turning that overnight or a generation for that matter

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              Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Morality is not relative, whether a doctor does it or an individual.  And it can, and should, be legislated.   The same way we legislate the acts of theft and murder and fraud and all the other crimes.

              1. profile image57
                33rdn8thposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How is it not relative by definition?  One person's sense of morality often will differ from another.  There is no problem with that.  It's why we have religious freedom.  Isn't that where the notion of morality comes from? 

                Abortion is a medical procedure.  One that should only be discussed by a doctor and patient.  Not my business.  What should be regulated (not legislated) are safety measures and protocols.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  That's like saying we should give criminals an easier way to commit crimes.  There's no justification for the abortion agenda.

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    We do give criminals an easy way to commit crimes..they become police officers, or Republicans!

                    And excuse me dear, but there is no justification for you to worry about my private life. Worry about your own!

  2. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    Geuss you didn't listen to the song...

    "And do respect the women of the world. Remember you all had mothers."

  3. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    Oh, so THAT explains the mystery!
    Too busy chip, chip, chipping away at women's right to privacy over their own reproductive systems to give much (read: ANY) attention to JOBS.
    Where are those jobs they promised, anyway???

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Oh No--Bachmann said herself today!: the most important thing is the debt and deficit.
      code: Cut from the POOR!

      But, that does not square with forcing women to give birth.....
      WHY do they want more of a serf-class? What do they plan to do with all these unwanted babies?

      All I can think, is some kind of sex-slave cult, or use them in cult ceremonies? Or make them soldiers in their world army of conquest?

      Whatever it is, it is no good.
      This cult is deranged.

  4. TLMinut profile image59
    TLMinutposted 6 years ago

    QUOTE:
    Which is a paradox in itself because the Ryan budget calls for substantial cuts in early childhood education (Head Start), medicaid (for poor mothers), and take away avenues to get low-cost pre-natal care.  So that tells me that they care about a child UNTIL he/she are born.
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    Wow, pathetic, isn't it?

    I never quite understand though, the whole 'a woman's right' idea - whether or not to KILL A BABY? Where does that come from?! The choice is made when you have sex, isn't it? But I know it seems a little unclear because pregnancy isn't guaranteed. Still, a man is required to support a baby he didn't want but a woman can actually kill one?

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Doesn't really matter. You should worry about how you run your own life, that's it.

      And any party that spends this much time and effort to chain women to the floor, is dangerous as well as stupid.

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        logic,commonsenseposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Speaking of stupid and dangerous, if you could see beyond your extreme hatred of Republicans, you would see that it is not about restricting the rights of women, rather it is about saving a child.  How terrible of them.

        I agree they are going about it the wrong way.  Leave Roe v. Wade alone and try to change the mindset about abortion. Educated and informed freedom of choice is the best venue.

        Those that are all over Republicans in the house for not fixing the economy and reducing unemployment, conveniently forget that the Senate and the White House are controlled by the Democrats.  That until this year the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress as well as the White House and despite their wonderfulness, they did nothing but dig a deeper hole.
        So how about reducing the venom and vitriol, and postulate some serious, thoughtful, bipartisan solutions?  Yeah I know, it's too much to ask.

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "So how about reducing the venom and vitriol, and postulate some serious, thoughtful, bipartisan solutions?"

          Umm, Obama has been trying to do that for 3 years. Maybe this time, your guys will give it a chance, instead of obstructing every little thing--instead of demanding that everything be your way or the highway...but I'm not holding my breath.

          Enuff trying--you people don't want to play? Then sit on the sidelines and be ignored.

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      33rdn8thposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Don't you kill a baby slowly by not funding programs that fight child poverty and hunger? We always forget that we have over 24 million children living in poverty in America, over 3 million of those are under 5.  We also have 17 million children living in food insecure environments.  That is where they are not in an environment where they can expect to eat on a daily basis.  This is not a personal responsibility issue.  Many people get abortions because they simply can't aford to keep the child 

      Also with cuts to headstart and other early childhood education programs will only further the plight of these kids.  Call me a liberal if you want, but if you are not willing to give a child an equality of opportunity to succeed in this country, then what does it matter if kids are aborted?

  5. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    "In Four Months, Republicans Introduced 916 Bills Against Women’s Right To Choose"
    ---what is the opposite of choice? Force.

    "Morality is not relative, whether a doctor does it or an individual.  And it can, and should, be legislated."
    --morality IS my private life! You live by yours, you have no business in mine.

  6. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Rights versus Morality = Rights Win. Morality cannot nor should it be forced upon people/individuals. The "Right to Life" has been completely skewed by the religious majority and those who have  a religious belief, should check their religious beliefs at the door, when it comes to dealing with other people. Meaning, keep your beliefs in your life and out of other people's life. It isn't your place to dictate "how" other people are to live their life.

    If you want morality to win out in the end, then fund the education of people, instead of attempting to force them to conform.

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "It isn't your place to dictate "how" other people are to live their life."

      Exactomundo.
      ESPECIALLY in such a personal matter as this!!!

  7. Mighty Mom profile image90
    Mighty Momposted 6 years ago

    916 bills introduced related to abortion.
    The last poll I read said that less than 1% of Americans consider abortion a top priority for legislators.
    Americans voted these yahoos in because our economy is in the toilet and people have suffered enough. We NEED jobs.
    So instead of focusing on what they promised, they are busy pushing their religious agenda.
    It's like excluding every other major issue we face and ONLY focusing on gay marriage.
    This is not what the electorate wants Congress to be focusing on.
    Get with the program.
    Or get voted out next time.
    It's really very simple.
    Meanwhile, America is having a very rude awakening as to WHAT they've done. Buyer's remorse for those who were bamboozled.
    "I hate to say it, but we tried to warn you!" from the rest of us.
    roll

    And not for anything, but how in the world is having more children going to reduce poverty or the deficit, create more jobs or solve our international woes? Does not compute.

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They have no idea how much they have angered the American people. And this is REAL outrage, not the fake outrage of the paid-for Tea-bags.

      Get Rid of Paul Ryan Facebook page http://goo.gl/MCCBx

      "It's not that Paul Ryan doesn't want Medicare and Government to work,
      it's that Paul Ryan want's Medicare and Government to work for big business."

  8. BillyDRitchie profile image59
    BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago

    So you don't want women chained to the floor or forced to give birth.  I'm wondering if you are equally interested in the rights of all those unborn females who are ripped limb from limb in the almighty name of "choice"?

    My guess is "no"....

    1. recommend1 profile image66
      recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "ripped limb from limb"  it could just manage emotive if it wasn't ridiculous.

      1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
        BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Research what happens during an abortion and then we can have an intelligent discussion on the subject....

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          As soon as you agree to end all war.
          End the use of depleted uranium..ooops, that's already outlawed!
          End the use of white phosphorous...ooops...also against the law to use on civilians, but WE DO!!

          And here we have a legal procedure that has 916 bills against it......
          Yet wars carry on as if no one ever dies, has their rimbs blown off,their skin burned, their mom and dad killed, their child killed, their family blown to smithereens.

          Just what is it about abortion that makes it any more wrong to you than war?

        2. recommend1 profile image66
          recommend1posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Intelligent discussion in this kind of thread - I don't think so.

    2. dingdondingdon profile image60
      dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why do these unborn people's rights become less important to you once they are born, I wonder.

  9. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

    That's nothing...they have a church here that used to put dead fetuses in jars as you walked through the door....morbid cult.

    My favorite question on this matter came from a populist talk-show host, Gerry Williams.
    He said:
    "If you walked into a burning building, and there was a woman,and a fetus in a tube, and you could only save one...which would it be?"

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    jerrylposted 6 years ago

    This argument will never end.

    The solution is simple.  Pass laws making it mandatory that all right to lifers must adopt or at least pay child support for at least 1 child that is not theirs, with severe penalties for noncompliance.

    That should satisfy both sides.

    1. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not me--they're still forcing me to do something against my will.
      Something that is none of their business.

    2. BillyDRitchie profile image59
      BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well, that certainly still allows the irresponsible to have their way, doesn't it....

      1. dingdondingdon profile image60
        dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Pregnancy should not be a punishment.

        1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
          BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Pregnancy isn't a punishment, it is a natural consequence of risky behavior.

          If you are going to spread your legs, you should be willing to step up and take responsibility if the fun you engage in happens to create a life.....

          1. dingdondingdon profile image60
            dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No, that's treating it like a punishment.

            And what about women who have been raped? Should they be punished for something they didn't choose too?

            1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
              BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Abortion has always been legal in the case of rape, and would continue to be legal in this case even if Roe were outlawed tomorrow.....it's a straw man argument.

              So you are saying that men and women should not feel any great need to take responsibility for their sexual activity?

              1. dingdondingdon profile image60
                dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Oh, so you're okay with killing a life if it's created by a rape? Why are people's lives worth less if they were conceived via rape?

                Either you believe a fetus is sacred and abortion is murder, in which case making an exception for rape implies that a life created from rape is somehow less valuable, or you believe that women who have been raped should be forced to give birth. Choose.

                1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                  BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I never said that.  I personally believe that a child cannot help who his father was, and two wrongs do not make a right.

                  I was pointing out that abortion/rape scenarios had always been legal and would most likely remain so.

                  Try again.....

                  1. dingdondingdon profile image60
                    dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So you do believe in forcing women who have been raped to give birth, after nine months of trauma.

                    I see.

                2. lovemychris profile image79
                  lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Excellent point!

                  1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                    BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Memo to dingdontington: nobody is saying rape victims should be forced to carry a baby to term.  My personal feelings on the subject aside, abortion in the case of rape has always been legal, and nobody in the mainline pro-life camp is trying to change that.....

    3. TLMinut profile image59
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is exactly what my dad told my mom (okay, not EXACTLY) when they were discussing abortion. They did take in children whose mothers didn't want them.

      I think abortion is wrong but I certainly see that many babies would have been better off dead or never born.

    4. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

      "If you are going to spread your legs, you should be willing to step up and take responsibility if the fun you engage in happens to create a life....."

      Ahhhhhhhhhhh, the crux of the issue.

      So-you should agree with my solution then.
      Vasectomize all males. When they want to "put it in",and responsibly make a baby, they can have it reversed.

      No more unplanned for babies.

      1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
        BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm fine with aiming my arguments at men.  Bottom line, if you're gonna screw around, you know what might happen.  Both parties should "man up" and take responsibility for it....

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Cool!
          Then instead of forcing women to give birth, let's make a law forcing boys to have vasectomies.

          In fact, that is much MORE responsible....since it prevents the pregnancy from even happening!

          Forced vasectomy, instead of forced birth....that really does make more sense.

          1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So you're fine with forcing someone to do something, just so long as it is the person or gender that YOU want something forced upon?

            Oooookay....

            Unfortunately, LMC, woman have been designated by God or Mother Nature to be the bearer of children.  A baby should never be viewed as a punishment.  But if you are going to engage in behavior that may result in a baby, you should be responsible enough to step up and take care of that baby.

            What is it about the word "responsibility" that liberals are so allergic to?

            1. dingdondingdon profile image60
              dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Let's say a woman who is extremely poor and struggling along on a minimum wage job that only barely covers her rent becomes pregnant. You are advocating she keep her baby, naturally lose her job along the line, and finance a pregnancy (they are expensive) and then raise a child (even more expensive)?

              Sounds like you don't care about the woman OR the child, because they would both starve, possibly to death.

              1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I know women who have done it......just because something is hard doesn't mean you take the easy way out.

            2. lovemychris profile image79
              lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You ignored me.

              Would you agree to force boys to have vasectomies rather than force girls to give birth against their will?
              Vasectomies are a much simpler, easier procedure, it can be reversed, and it would spare a lot of pain and suffering on the girl's part...having had 3 deliveries, believe me, it is pain and suffering.

              If it truly is abortion you want to prevent, this makes infinitely more sense!!

              1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No, I am not going to line my ten year old son up for a vasectomy to make sure he doesn't make a mistake when he's older.  Instead, I'm about educating him as to why things work the way they do, as well as the possible results.

                I'm also raising him and my daughters to take responsibility for their actions.

                Apparently that offends our liberal friends....

                1. lovemychris profile image79
                  lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No, what offends me is you unwillingness to put your money where your mouth is when it's suddenly YOU that is affected!

    5. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 6 years ago

      The argument that a fetus/baby or whatever you want to call it, actually has a choice in being born.

      STOP and THINK- Did YOU have a choice in being born? If not, then don't argue that others have a choice.

    6. BobbiRant profile image60
      BobbiRantposted 6 years ago

      Well has EVERY Conservative adopted an unwanted child yet?  Republicans are heeding the cry :"we've lost control of those darn women"

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hmmmm, I've thought so too!!!

        Especially when the "should have kept your legs closed" comes into it....

        1. BobbiRant profile image60
          BobbiRantposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh but those guys don't want women to keep the legs closed, oh my, no, no. 'Boys must have fun'   A lot of those guys also don't care to stick around to raise kids, blaming women because, you see, men have Not learned about birth control for themselves 'that's a woman's job' you know.  Some men also don't care to pay child support, so do Conservatives give us answers for Those social problems, or do they just point fingers at women in general?

      2. BillyDRitchie profile image59
        BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It isn't a matter of conservatives adopting unwanted children, it is a matter of our society rediscovering the concept of "responsibility".....

        1. BobbiRant profile image60
          BobbiRantposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          YES!  Exactly, now Teach some MEN about responsibility of sticking around once they had their fun? HMMMMMMMMMMM?

          1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm all in favor of holding a man's feet to the fire on this issue.  But at the same time, you are perfectly willing to throw the man's rights as the father out the window if the woman chooses to abort......

        2. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The "responsibility" you're arguing about is nothing but distortion. The woman's responsibility is to self, so as to provide for her own future and if the pregnancy is going to damage or put that future in jeopardy, then it is her RIGHT to do what she can to ensure that HER future is how she wants it.

          1. BobbiRant profile image60
            BobbiRantposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good point.  I told MY sons to post This above any bed Before they get in that bed with a woman: "Hell hath no fury"   I told them to Read it Before proceeding.  :0)

          2. BillyDRitchie profile image59
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And when you engage in actions that create a life, you have responsibility to that life.  Sorry for the biology lesson, but Mother Nature deemed women to be the baby carriers.....

            1. BobbiRant profile image60
              BobbiRantposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              And some Men have just pointed fingers.  NOT a biology lesson but a lesson on Men and responsibility.  I can tell you the great lengths Some guys I KNEW went to to Avoid child support.  Preach this to guys!

            2. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Billy,

              Again, you have no ground to stand on. You lack understanding "rights" of the individual. But, I guess that's nothing new for you.

              You engage in sex- yes there is a possibility a life could be the end result. Forcing your beliefs on others isn't the answer, yet you're too blind to see that. Know your place? hmm

              Sex between two people, should be responsible. And, accidents do happen? Those accidents shouldn't ruin the future of two people or more people. Which is something again, you FAIL in understanding.

              1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                It takes a special kind of callousness to consider a baby the "ruination" of someone's life. 

                All of us know people who ended up with unplanned pregnancies, and who also stepped up and did the right thing and took responsibility for that new life.

                I realize the word responsibility is out of favor with the left, but hey.....

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Again, you distort as per usual. It is a fact that some children after birth are more of a burden and literally destroys people's life. If you don't want to accept that, then it would be just a lack of knowledge on your part. 
                  Good for you. However, everyone's situations/circumstance don't permit it or make it even possible, which again, you FAIL in understanding.
                  You refer to me as from the LEFT or RIGHT, then you need to get a life dude.

                  I am neither. I am all about advocating the RIGHTS of the individual who is already living their life. Again, being BORN is NOT a choice.

          3. BillyDRitchie profile image59
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            This whole health, future in jeopardy stuff is a load of crap.  The vast majority of women are able to lead fully normal lives all the way through pregnancy.  My ex wife worked right up until the day before she delivered all three of our kids.

            Of course there are cases where pregnancy might pose problems, but they are an extremely small percentage....

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You're too funny.

              The whole crux of your argument falls apart as per usual.

              The woman's life can be destroyed. The man's life can be destroyed. The child's life can be destroyed.

              Therefore, you're blowing nothing but smoke.

              1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I'm glad the thought of murdering babies is so amusing to you.

                Sorry, but an unexpected pregnancy hardly is the destruction of one's life.  It happens all the time to people who actually man up and take responsibility for their actions.

                You'll forgive me if I have very little sympathy for somebody who takes the selfish irresponsible way out....

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You've misunderstood as per usual. I find your above statement in bad taste. Simply because you think I am amused. How pathetic.
                  That's because they have the right to choice and see a path in which they can survive a livable life. Those who cannot, must have another option, which YOU are trying to take away from them.
                  That's your opinion, because you cannot see beyond yourself. But, that would be nothing new.

                  1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                    BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You'll forgive me if the thought of murdering a baby isn't as palatable for me as it obviously is for you.....

                    1. Cagsil profile image60
                      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Billy, Billy, man, you need to learn your place in this world and what boundaries you simply have no place interfering in. Damn man.

            2. dingdondingdon profile image60
              dingdondingdonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Many women cannot work up until the day they give birth. Not everyone has a cushy office job.

              1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                My ex wife is a nurse, hardly a cushy office job......she's on her feet for most of her twelve hour shifts, and working with other expecting mothers is a very physical requirement.

                Again, nice try....

          4. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Bravo!

    7. TLMinut profile image59
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      Warning - uninformed about politics and usually like it that way because of the fury, unclearness, and corruption involved question:

      I see that people saying abortion should be looked at as a woman's right to choose by liberals, right? As opposed to conservatives (and conservatives are considered religious usually)? But I thought liberals are the ones who want government involved in people's lives with lots of programs and funding. Do I have it backwards?

    8. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

      "I am all about advocating the RIGHTS of the individual who is already living their life."

      Perfect and so simple. That is it in a nutshell. And anyone who is advocating anti-abortion is advocating against the rights of the individual to live their life as they see fit.

      Which, is supposed to be their due as a citizen of the United States.

      1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
        BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But the unborn child is not allowed to live out their life as they see fit. 

        Precedent for such has already been set many times over by court cases where unborn children are identified and treated as murder victims.  Many courts recognize the humanity of the unborn.

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Again, there is NO CHOICE in being born. What are you not understanding? hmm

          1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
            BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            So none of us had the choice to be born, so it becomes perfectly acceptable to kill them......wow, what a brilliant argument....

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Again, you fail to understand RIGHTS. Nothing new.

              1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Um, dude?  A right is different from a choice.

                1. Cagsil profile image60
                  Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Your lack of understanding is appalling to say the least.

                  Rights are derived from CHOICE.

                  1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
                    BillyDRitchieposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Um, dude, an unborn baby has no ability to choose its destiny.  Neither does a three month old baby....so I assume you would condone the murder of a three month old baby if it became a hardship to the parents?

                    1. Cagsil profile image60
                      Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                      Condone it? Again, you are trying to distort what is said, so you can suit it to your needs.

                      A 3 month old baby is already born. Therefore you argument is just distortion

      2. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It is NOT a right of an individual to infringe upon the individual rights of another. Those who are advocating the stripping of a woman's right to life and right to choose, are infringing upon the her rights. wink

        1. TLMinut profile image59
          TLMinutposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Pregnancy is an automatic 'infringement' on a woman's rights, just because the US and other countries decreed it unfair doesn't change nature. Aren't the people arguing this way the same ones who claim nature should decide a person's sex? That it's natural to be homosexual and therefore you can't say it's wrong?

          Instead of screaming (yes, people here are screaming in fury, you can tell by word choice) about how nature works and you don't like it, wouldn't it be better to argue about the baby's right to a decent life which won't happen when they're unwanted and unfed?

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, this argument hold no weight. Pregnancy isn't an automatic "infringement" on a woman's right.
            Nature doesn't determine a person's sex. Genetics determines a person's sex. Being homosexual is a choice.
            I understand where you're coming from with this statement. That is why I advocate for woman's rights and suggest that education is better than abortion, but abortion is just an option. It all remain a choice.

    9. TLMinut profile image59
      TLMinutposted 6 years ago

      Something else, it used to be common to hear of people wanting babies and they couldn't have them. People spend so much on fertility drugs to have kids - aren't these people adopting?! Where are they? Or has the situation changed that drastically in the past generation?

     
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