Full Text Of Newsmax Column Suggesting Military Coup Against Obama
Here is the full text of John L. Perry's column on Newsmax which suggests that a military coup to "resolve the Obama problem" is becoming more possible and is not "unrealistic." Perry also writes that a coup, while not "ideal," may be preferable to "Obama's radical ideal" -- and would "restore and defend the Constitution." Newsmax has since removed the column from its website.
Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention
By: John L. Perry
There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.
America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:
# Officers swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to "obey the orders of the president of the United States."
# Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.
# They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.
# They can see that the economy -- ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation -- is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.
# They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.
# They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America's troop strength is allowed to sag.
# They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.
# They can see the nation's safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.
So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?
Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan's arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?
Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran's nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?
What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, "I'm not interested in victory") that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?
Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?
Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America's military leadership is lost in a fool's fog.
Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."
In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.
Obama Risks a Domestic Military intervention by: John L. PerryThere is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:# Officers swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to "obey the orders of the president of the United States."# Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.# They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.# They can see that the economy -- ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation -- is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.# They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.# They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America's troop strength is allowed to sag.# They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.# They can see the nation's safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan's arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2 … ary_co.phpIndeed.
I think Perry's urging to "think up an alternative, non-violent solution" instead of saying "we can always worry about that later" is a very bold but common-sense dare to the American people to right the wrongs done by the Obama Administration ASAP. Guess they didn't listen in 2009, mostly because apparently Newsmax took away Perry's free speech, and I wonder if they'll listen now.
Ever since American let Obama gain a foothold to power, all manner of bad things have become popular to talk about and push for, but calling him out on his madness was taboo from the start. So many Americans became gutless, worshipping the likes of Rod Blagojevich and Obama too, so much so that they don't even listen to what comes outta their mouths or what policies they put in place; they just follow along with their mouths open and their eyes blinded by the audacity.Rod Blagoyovich? Really? I have never heard of any Americans worshipping him(?). Not one.
Didn't he get impeached as governor or Illinois? But didn't he then go on Trump's "Celebrity Apprentice" show?
Oops, now you're back to NewsMax. It's not a very reliable source.
Oly, I don't know where you got this but I Googled "John L. Perry" and the first 3-4 entries were related to this military coup idea that "briefly appeared" on Newsmax.
But it is dated October 2009.....
So I'm just curious to know how it's getting a second wind in April 2011???
Thanks. MMOly attracts nutjobs like Perry like a magnet. Or they attract him.
why must you call people nut jobs that do not agree with you? you seriously are one angry old man! lighten up, your still breathing.
From someone who just called Soros "evil."
Because Perry is obviously a complete nutjob. Don't you agree that his prediction of an imminent military coup against Obama is pretty nutty?Yes it is far fetched. But you called OLY a nut-job. Not nice.
I do not want that to happen because it would make the USA look bad also. Obama said in his own words that he wants to transform America! His books wreak with socialism, His Reverend for 20 years who baptized his daughters dedicated a book to and said was his mentor is anti-American, the people he associates with are socialist and Marxist, his Cabinet and czars are mostly socialist. This is no coincidence! George Sorros is a big part of the equation. He funds NPR, Move-on, Apollo, Tides foundation and many many more all for the destruction of America! He is trying to do this by what looks like Kindness! The man is Evil, listen to is own words when being interviewed. He has a lot of money and buys everything. he has an ulterior motive and if you actually investigated this you would see it so clearly.I didn't call Oly a nutjob. I called Perry a Nutjob, and pointed out that Oly seems to be attracted to nut jobs or be a magnet for nutjobs and crapola from NewsMax.
well It surely seemed to me like you were ridiculing OLY.
Have you put all your detective skills into Georgy? Have you read Obama's Books? Have you investigated his associates, cabinet and his 20 year church? All the foundations Good ole Georgy started to put his plan in place? Have you heard him on interviews and his own words? Him collapsing currencies? I do not think so. You seem like a guy that wants the truth, How come you just believe Huffington Post, NPR, Move-on etc... but the ones that disagree with you are nut jobs and crapola? You know If you actually listen to both sides and do your own due diligence you will see the truth! Both sides give half truths most of the time. If you applied commonsense to a lot of it you can see when the are lying. sometimes it takes a lot of research. I always try to get their own words to find truth.
George Soros is evil, just ask the Brits and Russians. George Soros set out to destroy the Pound and the Ruble for no other reason than to make money. Sounds like he was engaged in the liberal's definition of evil - doing something to make money.
Is this not true? is this fair? can not wait to hear your response.
Few Americans realize that it was George Soros who bankrolled the seven-year lobbying effort that gave us McCain-Feingold.
"Combine… the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity, the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the $625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen – and you can be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by himself," notes a Wall Street Journal editorial.
McCain-Feingold neatly accomplishes Soros’ goal of regulating political discourse on the airwaves. It bars "special interest groups" from placing ads for or against any candidate for federal office on TV or radio 60 days before a general election, and 30 days before a primary. These "special interest groups" can be anything from corporations to grassroots networks of concerned citizens.I don't CARE about Soros..just as you don't care about 9/11.
That's why I said checkmate.
You have your thing, I have mine.
No one cares unless they want to!
Sounds like he was only "doing the Lord's work" according to Lloyd Goldfein.
then why complain when someone calls your messiah BOY, STUPID, A$$HOLE or something else? strange how you change things when it fits your needs.
Same reason YOU complain when someone calls Oly a nutjob. DUH.
And YOU call other posters stupid all the time.I never called anyone stupid unless they called me something first! please show me where I have done this without someone saying something to me first.
It might have been right on this thread. To me. stupid, you ended your comment to me with.
And I don't care....the first time you posted to me it was worse that that!
Just pointing out that you can be very nasty people, so please with the crocodile tears for Perry.
Here's a look at the military from one who lived it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 094287597#If I was the original writer, I would not appreciate your theft of my material and unauthorized duplication on a forum.
If you can get “marked” by Hubpages as an article spinner by just asking in the forums where the pipe | key is on the keyboard and denied the ability to edit existing hubs without prior moderator approval, then you would think they would also “mark” the people in the forums that do blatant copyright violations…
He's not stealing someones material if he stated in the first line who the author is. and under the title it says by John Perry
You are only stealing someones work if you do not recognize the author and state that its your work. Which is plagerism. He is not doing either one.If the article did not also state that he had to have permission first than I would argue that, but unless stated you can't make duplicate than he as done no wrong either.
This interpetation of copyright law might be true in someplace like China, but not in the USA where it was published...
Copyright is established by publishing something. It needs no statements to back it up, it doesn't even need a @ sign to make it so.
Any waivers, such as freedom to copy and reprint have to be explicitly granted not assumed from their absence.
So someone can publish all of your hubs all over the internet where ever they like as long as they have a byline?...nope -obvious copyright violations...
He didn't post a quote, he posted the full text...so if Hubpages is going to keep burning withches, then burn baby burn...Sorry Hattie but you are totally wrong there.
You don't evade copyright laws solely by stating the author.I applaud you for correcting me John in a considerate manner!
Do you stand by that?
I have a hundred websites that could use 243 new articles - ill be sure to give you a byline
Fortunately the man meant no harm, he may just have not been aware of things, I don't think people have to be so inconsiderate, I think they can simply show him the what you are trying to point out, and help him not make the mistake again. Fortunately someone already posted my article on about unconditional love on their blog, and never asked me. As long as they did sate who wrote it, my message was getting out there about that message of love others unconditionally. I understand what I've been taught about plagarism. Excuse me if I was not aware of what you were talking about. Personally I find your tactics a little rude and unforgiving. There are more constructive ways to handlig the statement above but I guess you need to make others look bad to make yourself look good! I don't need to do that!
If Im appearing "rude and Unforgiving" then Im probably not making myself look very good.
I am unforgiving of content thieves, ignorance is not an excuse I accept. Also of those who spread the ignorance (you), I see no need to dress up my words. Pretend, i put, please and thank you at the end of this statement.
You assume the man meant no harm, but your innocent to the fact that the "man" probably doesnt exist - he is merely a persona created to spread (mis)information to those ignorant/innocent enough to be duped.
If he is a man , then he is a thief of words. This is a site first and foremost of people who compose words and earn "rewards" from them.
If he is a persona, then he is laughing at you and copying more crap and posting it in some other forum right now.
Is that how you managed to create 4 hubs a day for the past 2 months?
Its easier to look up plagerism if you try this alternate spelling - plagiarism
But, I didnt use that word, I used theft and unauthorized duplication.
Plagiarism is still relevant though. although he didnt take credit for the words - he did "purloin and publish"
? really? Why can't someone post an article in full as long as they give credit to the author? I don't understand....
But what's so upsetting to me is that this thread has turned into a critique of the original poster, distracting from the original content----what's to be done about the O, who has "plagiarized" the Constitution and the Presidency! How quickly any conversation about holding Obama accountable gets somehow diverted off onto someone else!Quite simply, it's to protect the earnings of writers and publishers.
Ordinarily, I could concur with that.
But.....it's more probable that Mr. Perry would WANT people to read his article that got pulled! Unless of course he himself pulled it.....but that's certainly not my impression; how 'bout you?Not for me or thee to decide. He has made no statement that the article is up for grabs, therefore it isn't.
thats an assumption.
The OP makes a habit of reposting content he does not own.
As a site for writers, thats something we shouldnt ignore.
I couldn't care less about the topic, whether it was on mating habits of kangaroos, whether obama is the antichrist, or how to make jello from holy water, if the OP didnt write it, he should post no more than a small excerpt and then link to the original source.
and if he chooses to share on the forum, I would assume he may have some original conversation to share that relates to why he decided to post the content in the first place.
Writers on this site often have to send DMCA notices because of ignorant activities such as those done by the OP in the this post and past posts.
I also dont believe that OLY is a legitimate person or member of this community - is it somehow less SPAM because its political in nature?
its just a bunch of crap from worthless sources that muddies up the forum. If he responded and conversed after his mass postings then perhaps he could be seen as just a nuisance who posts to much. But he doesnt, so I'll agree that "OlY" is some sort of paid poster.Don't you mean you couldn't care less?
Apart from anything else, the quoting of whole articles, then subsequently copied time and time again in replies is a right pain in the bum.I dunno, but maybe you're right.
If you are, it's still a shame, though, because Oly's posts are RIGHT-ON. I've wished he would publish some hubs of his own.If they are .. what purpose do they have if not start conversation, yet .. he never partakes in the conversation?
Where is he now ..
Oly , you there? olly olly oxen free ...
Its earth day, why you got to litter in the forums, come clean up your mess, thief.Simple Brenda, Hubpages insist on original work.
I'm afraid an original idea would die of loneliness.
You would also think that allowing paid political posting here would be detrimental to this whole site. This particular paid poster usually only even comes back once to reply to the affirmation comment on one of its 'other' images.
hmm, well maybe the nicer thing would have been just simply ask him nicely next time to just copy the link next time for those who would enjoy reading it, and just put his statements above! Why make a mountain out of a molehill.
Ill take that as a yes on the new 243 articles for my websites?
Why, would a writer be "nice" to a proven content thief?
Space cadet, says what?Why don't you just stop being rude! Are you always like this with people!
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago
0Hmmm....what if Oly IS John L. Perry?.....that's a thought...
He couldn't plagiarize his own work, could he?Then it would be self promotional, would it not?
Not plagiarize, but even then he could still be in copyright violation if Newsmax or the other website referenced owns the copyright. If Perry wrote the article for hire, then he may not own the copyright anymore.
OMG, give me a break.
Go to my Website. I built it and nobody paid me for it.
I even have an notice to anybody on my Website. If you would like to advertise on my Website, go to Contact Us.
To hear you guys talk, a person would think I am just pulling in the bucks.
OLYOly! I thought maybe the messenger had been "shot" irretrievably! haha
I have a suggestion---maybe you could delete or re-do your original post leaving just the main points?
It's just upsetting to me that a valid subject has come under fire so much that any discussion about it has been lost.
And yes I think it's very valid, not taboo, what with all the subjects that ARE discussed openly on this site.Brenda, the validity of the debate in not contested, purely the means of presenting it.
Thereby demonstrating that you have totally missed the point.
So Olly, why dont you discuss your post? and what are your thoughts on your own authenticity? Are you a human being? How do you feel about stealing?
The Name is, OLY, and I don't write them, I just post them. If there is a problem with the way I do things here at Hubs, They will let me know in very short order.
YES, I do know what the dog house is here and how it works.
I believe the post is self explanatory.
OLY
That would actually depend on how his contract is set up with Newsmax and who owns the original content. John Fogerty was sued for plagiarizing his own songs, and he had to prove in court that the songs he was performing as a solo artist were distinct from the songs he wrote as a member of Creedence Clearwater Revival, which were owned by the record company.
Are the rules the same for forum posts as for hubs? And what's the difference between posting a link to a text, and posting the actual text in a forum, properly identifying the author and source? Are links okay and a bit of text not okay? As a practical matter I'm not aware that authors are raising objections so long as they are credited with their authorship. A lot of good information is conveyed in forum discussions via links, charts, graphs, videos, etc, none of which are originals by the person posting them. There is little truly original in publishing--seems to me there's a whole lot of paraphrasing and borrowing going on. Lewis Lapham has been publishing paperback books (Lapham's Quarterly) which consist virtually entirely of quotations on various themes which he has collected in a lifetime of reading and writing. Copyrights have expired long (centuries) ago on most of them.
Best to avoid it in forum posts, Ralph - apart from the principle (I have spent a lot of my own time trying to get forum posts containing my duplicated work removed), there is the legality.
Some news sources, such as Associated Press, have a team of heavy duty lawyers for exactly this sort of thing, and they will slap you with a bill for a few dollars per word.
A short excerpt and a link is probably safestRalph, copyright rules are irrespective of the venue.
The difference between posting text and posting a link is that the link takes you back to the original and thus gives the publisher all the benefits.
A bit of text is OK though open to much argument about what a bit consists of, the general rule seems to be not more than 10%.
As for authors not being concerned about losing potential
income, I think you'll find that most are very concerned.
With regard to your last statement "Copyrights have expired" is extremely relevant.My understanding is that a snippet with attribution is legal but copying the entire text is not.
I agree that Oly meant no harm. Brenda may be right that the original author wants his words spread around. But HP is going to go by the letter of the law.
All would do well to heed the warning Sunforged issued.
So much copyrighted if actually enforced, nobody could say anything seems to me with the advent of the web. Think it is somewhat passe. But who knows maybe next they will create an enforceable copyright web, where of course you have to pay some collective copyright enforcement agency to say anything.
Appreciate and thank all those that have cleared things up for Oly and others on hupages in a more appropriate manner!
No, you can still say plenty using your own words, you can't copyright ideas without publishing them.
There is no more need for an enforceable copyright web than there is a need for traditional printed word.
All it needs is for people to recognise that any printed word in any medium is copyright.
This message is @ copyright John Holden 2011, as is every one of
my messages in whatever medium they are printed in.
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
So, John........if I click "reply" and respond to your post and it comes up quoted verbatim, isn't that stealing your content, especially since you posted that it's copyrighted?
haha I'm really asking. Notice I did not quote your post. I is rather skeered to now!
It is still in the same venue and same terms of service, and the terms of service allow it.
As white teeth said, and it comes up in a nice big box with my name at the front of it.
Try copying one of my posts and claiming it for your ownhaha no thanks.
I've actually had someone on here before who replied to me, quoting my words, but OMITTING a portion of it in a way that changed the meaning of what I said. That royally teed me off!Yes, it would do that to me too.
It wasn't me was it?
Hey, do you realise that this is a record breaking Oly thread? 60 posts against the highest current one of 13 and most in single figures or less, ie 0!
I don't have access to global stats at HP, but I think Oly has the record for most posts with zero replies.
Also most posts with a single reply from Ron, "zzzzzzzzzzzzz". (Does that attribution to Ron fulfill copyright requirements?)
And the most posts devoted to unsubstantiated birther rumors.
Quite an achievement.
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
Well, might as well get back to actually addressing the subject.
Obama has been instrumental in toppling the kingdom of Libya, and his talents as a community organizer (or I should say the propensity for liberals to follow him) has washed over into other Nations on an almost-global basis, threatening the very foundations of their societies (good or bad, doesn't matter in this context); he has the audacity to publicly call for the removal of leaders of other Nations, etc........Yet he himself, so far, seems above being called out for transparency even though he has stated openly his desire to fundamentally transform America (into something, I will add, that's unrecognizable even via our Constitution).
So, per the original suggestion by Mr. Perry in his article, I think the possibility of a coup is not only a patriotic thought but an urgent idea that should be considered, given the fact the voices of a huge portion of American citizens are being stifled by various means in our own Nation. Obama, while judging other leaders, is quickly setting in place his own "kingdom" right here under our noses and above our ability to intervene. Unless of course, the average citizen can walk into the White House and set him straight on his horrid policies and actions. It should be like that. We are, after all, supposed to be the ones who govern this Nation in the finality of it (based on the Law, which he is circumventing rapidly in many areas). But I doubt they'd get very far, seeing as how he's surrounded himself with so many people who'll kiss his elbow at the drop of a hat. He is becoming a tyrant, and no one dares to confront him openly, else they're shunned or their rights deleted, like the article of Mr. Perry's....
What? Is America so afraid to call out one man on his wrong-doing? What's the other option?---to let him again persuade by hook or by crook the voters of this Nation and give him 4 MORE years of bullying Americans into thinking and acting like he does or else cowering down under his manipulative thumb? God forbid.
And what? Obama can speak the unspeakable from his public position, and teach the unthinkable to an innocent generation of youngsters, but the word "coup" makes people shrink in horror?! Amazing.Brenda, although I agree fundamentaly here with this comment, I can not say I would welcome or want a "Coup" here in the US. We have means to handel this and rightfully should, but not that.
I have had the privelage in my Job for the World bank to whitness two of them in real time. It is honestly not what you think it is or will be like. Please be very carefull with the words.Which is scarier?---to let a man manipulate and topple the very foundation upon which America is based, or to topple the regime of that man?
Which is scarier?---to be a victim, or to publicly call out a would-be tyrant?
Yes, it's not a comfortable choice either way. It's downright scary! But which way is better in the long run?---for our kids to become mindless followers of a man, or for patriots to stand up and say it like it is? For fear to set in, or to face the issues now? To forget those who HAVE called him out, but who got ostracized for it, or to BE one of those who call him out?
What's your "middle-ground" solution, then?
Do you really think the next Election will free America from the almost-tangible rotten political wind that's taken over?
One can hope, yes. But if that doesn't happen, what then? I'm asking you.…then you wait until the next election and try again…that’s the way it works in the USA…if everybody decides we should kill the president every time he is from a different party then everybody would flush their cushy little way of life down the drain…
It will not turn out like you think, it will be a power struggle after the topple, we will repeate a much more vicious Civil War at that point.
Black against White equally armed, Groups moving for Power control, Liberal, Conservative, and it will not be settled. Panther against John Birch Society, re-apperance of KKK etc..etc... all of that will break out. Think
we are animal like in our nature, survival of the fittest, or heaviest armed. Can you go through that? I honestly doubt that..!
Take the man out....you bet, but it has to be done in the court, Impeach...yesYou kinda sound like a terrorist…you want to overthrow the rightfully elected government of the United States and force your will upon the 90% of the population that supports democracy…I think Hubpages should “mark” terrorists along with article spinners and copyright violators …terrorists can’t be good for advertising …if just pointing out where the | key is on the keyboard can get you marked by Hubpages, surely someone advocating violent overthrow the government and subjugation of the population should get “marked” somehow too…just a thought…
Here's a thought for ya.--
You sound kinda like a spy. No hubs, no profile information, yet you've been here for almost 2 years. I'm a citizen of the United States of America with the right to state my views without someone hiding behind a screen name trying to label me with the word terrorist. What are you? You can "mark" that down on your little agenda pad.Call me Igor the Dastardly Spy…
Actually, this account was originally for a joke hub, then it became my drunk-posting account, then it became my account for criticizing the witch hunt and Hubpages’ flail-around-in-panic maneuvers…so if you got to burn witches for pointing out where the | key is, you gotta burn witches for terrorist-like statements…or it would seem...but I'm pretty drunk right now so I guess it is back to my drunk-posting account...
Why should she be careful? Insurrection is the proper term, and they have been gunning for it since before Obama took office.
I have a word to say, but I won't.
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
See?
Everyone's scared. Everyone's loses their guts. If this thread was about advocating for the unseemly and the blasphemous and I opposed it, there would be a bunch of people jumping in and telling me why I'm so horrid and so intolerant.
But who wants to discuss the idea that America has the right to avidly oppose the policies of the Administration? That Obama should repent or resign. That his policies are unfit to govern this Nation. That his incorrect bias on several major issues has incited racial and social unrest all over this Nation.Can you or someone tell me why you are so upset with Obama? The obvious is that he is black. The next obvious is the one all of you are missing and that is - he didn't get us into this financial mess. That started with the little emperor and his court - Bush, Cheney, Rumfield and Powell. A little known fact NO ONE wants to admit. Oil, baby, oil.
Why right away it has to be because he is black?? I think people who think like you are the racist! Is pastor Manning racist? Is my favorite Allen Keyes Racist? Race has nothing to do with it and that is just a left wing ploy to get off the real issues. Have you read his books? obviously not. who is in his cabinet? And my favorite is that he went to an Anti-American church for 20 years dedicated a book to the reverend said he was his mentor baptized his daughters and then says he never heard him speak that way! If you believe that your nuts! He is a socialist and George Sorros has a lot to do with it. The list of characters he associates with is so clear. GIve up the race card BS already it is played out! he is half white by the way in case you did not know.
It's because the things the Tea-Party were complaining about Obama were happening with Bush.
So--where were they then? Where were the Oath Keepers?
Oh--and here are just 3 that I can think of:
1. The poster of Obama as a voodoo witch doctor, with a bone through his nose: racist!
2. The organizer of the Boston Tea-Party rally sent an e-mail:
"The Obama's, just another black family on public housing": racist!
3. The recent e-mail from the Tea-Party broad in Orange County, with a picture of Obama and his parents as monkeys: racist!
The whole birther issue is racist, if you ask me--cause we know McCain wasn't born here, but nobody cares.
You can keep saying it's not race...but you deny what we see with our own eyes.This has started a long time ago and BUSH F'ed up so badly that now they (the socialist agenda) can try to transform America! Don't you realize they waant a lot of people to be out of work, on welfare, this keeps people down and then the media try's to pump things like see the democrats(which are really socialist) extended unemployment benefits and giving aid to help you, they try and portray the republicans as evil so they have more people to vote for them. once they bankrupt us then all hell breaks loose and then they try and implement socialism! If they were straight forward people would revolt! they are sneaky. this started many years ago. Bush did not cause all these problems, the housing started with Barney Frank and Dodd. they forced Banks to give loans to people who could not afford it! they knew what was going to happen this was a plan! then they try and pass it off for Wall street. If they did not force the banks to give out these mortgages Wall street would not have had to create these bad bonds(CMO'S) etc... like I said they need to have as many people down and the unions and the media so they can pull it off! And suckers are buying this BS. Wake up read his books look into the people in his cabinet, listen to what they say, listen to the speeches they made. Check out George Soros! The Chinese commanders from their military call him a financial terrorist! This man collapse the UK and a few other currencies already! open your eyes! you really think they care about anyone? stupid
YOU are an admitted socialist! you want people to be believe its a rant! I said check it out yourself! Your words mean $hit
Erm, well lets look at what you wrote, you said socialists want high unemployment!
Afraid that you've got that 180 degrees wrong, it's the corporations that want high unemployment.
It keeps the wages down. There's nothing like full employment for pushing up wages.keep spinning! why would corporations want high unemployment? they make less money!!! good spin, have you ever owned your own company? If so you would not make a ridiculous statement! When the economy is bad you lose revenue! when good people buy! get it? see this what socialist try and do spin BS that doesn't make any logical sense! keeping wages low means nothing if you aren't making money!
Don't ask me Danny, ask the politicians and captains of industry who tell us we can no longer afford full employment.
sorry John your logic makes ZERO sense! that is what you socialist want everyone to believe. Once everything is down and people are desperate they throw the old we are here to help you, we extended unemployment, we give welfare, section 8 etc... and keep people down and depending on government! Common business sense says if economy is down business is down! If everything collapses and money is worthless what good is all the money they have????
When a country nears full employment wages go up and with it inflation.
OH john your twisting is amazing! So actually you just proved my point, If the economy is bad sales are down! why would they want this? Thanks
G.d give me strength!
It isn't me saying that, it's the politicians and captains of industry saying that full employment leads to increased wages and inflation.
Tell me, why are so many against the minimum wages? That means less money for people to spend why would they want that?I don't care who says it. It doesn't make sense!
as far as minimum wage, I believe we should have a minimum wage and based on inflation. if inflation goes up the minimum wage should according to the percentage of the inflation.
question, do you think someone flipping burgers at McDonald's should make 75k a year?If it doesn't make sense to you then I give up! But that doesn't alter the way things are.
I doubt that someone flipping burgers would expect $75,000 but that doesn't mean they shouldn't expect $25,000.They get paid according to the skill needed. They made poor choices in life if they are still there after being a teenager and not getting an education and really trying to better themselves. Those jobs are really for kids in school, I do not think they are intended to be a career unless your a manager or owner. .99cents burgers and fries should not be a career for anyone.
Oh for sure, but what if they don't have the money to pay for higher education?
we have government loans for every citizen here in the states! we have grants! that is BS. every student for college can get a government loan of 3,500.00 per semester! That is enough money to go to community college the first 2 years and If you do well skies the limit! please I put 4 kids through college and know what is available!
Ask them--they are sitting on 2 trillion dollars.
AGAIN even if it was 100 Trillion, if money is worth ZERO how much do they have? Your logic doesn't make any sense! You people are either blind or know this and play stupid. Their plan is to destroy the economy and have people depend on the government and spread lies how the republicans are evil and we are here to help and get these desperate souls to vote for them until they complete the mission, Obama said a million times he wants to transform America! that is the only thing that he says that is true! Again read his books look at who he associates with, look at his cabinet and czars. George Sorros who collapse many currencies including the UK. He is a financial terrorist according to the Chinese top military.
Danny, you wouldn't know logic if it bit you on the bum
BTW, when exactly did Soros collapse the UK currency?
I remember during the right wing government in 1997, he made billions speculating on the currency but actually did nothing to precipitate the collapse, that was entirely down to the government.obviously you know nothing! yeah blame the right wing! If you actually did some solid research you would see he broke the UK!!!! If you want to be blind and put false blame on some particular party that is ridiculous! When you actually get the facts straight please then respond. You seriously have no clue!
He became known as "the Man Who Broke the Bank of England" after he made a reported $1 billion during the 1992 Black Wednesday UK currency crises. He was the one who made the collapse happen. this is the same reason your left party was able to take control! he has done it in other countries also.
Currency speculation
On September 16, 1992, Black Wednesday, Soros's fund sold short more than US$10 billion worth of pounds,[25] profiting from the UK government's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency.
Finally, the UK withdrew from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, devaluing the pound sterling, earning Soros an estimated US$1.1 billion. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England."[29] In 1997, the UK Treasury estimated the cost of Black Wednesday at £3.4 billion.
On Monday, October 26, 1992, The Times quoted Soros as saying: "Our total position by Black Wednesday had to be worth almost $10 billion. We planned to sell more than that. In fact, when Norman Lamont said just before the devaluation that he would borrow nearly $15 billion to defend sterling, we were amused because that was about how much we wanted to sell."
Stanley Druckenmiller, who traded under Soros, originally saw the weakness in the pound. "Soros' contribution was pushing him to take a gigantic position."[30][31]
In 1997, during the Asian financial crisis, the Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir bin Mohamad accused Soros of using the wealth under his control to punish the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) for welcoming Myanmar as a member. Following on a history of antisemitic remarks, Mahathir made specific reference to Soros's Jewish background ("It is a Jew who triggered the currency plunge"[32]) and implied Soros was orchestrating the crash as part of a larger Jewish conspiracy. In 1998's The Crisis of Global Capitalism: Open Society Endangered Soros explained his role in the crisis as follows:
The financial crisis that originated in Thailand in 1997 was particularly unnerving because of its scope and severity.... By the beginning of 1997, it was clear to Soros Fund Management that the discrepancy between the trade account and the capital account was becoming untenable. We sold short the Thai baht and the Malaysian ringgit early in 1997 with maturities ranging from six months to a year. (That is, we entered into contracts to deliver at future dates Thai Baht and Malaysian ringgit that we did not currently hold.) Subsequently Prime Minister Mahathir of Malaysia accused me of causing the crisis, a wholly unfounded accusation. We were not sellers of the currency during or several months before the crisis; on the contrary, we were buyers when the currencies began to decline – we were purchasing ringgits to realize the profits on our earlier speculation. (Much too soon, as it turned out. We left most of the potential gain on the table because we were afraid that Mahathir would impose capital controls. He did so, but much later.)[34]
The nominal U.S. dollar Gross domestic product (GDP) of the ASEAN fell by US$9.2 billion in 1997 and US$218.2 billion (31.7%) in 1998.
George Soros has been described as a pirate and is despised in locations as various as Thailand, Britain and Malaysia. This famous currency speculator has made a fortune breaking currencies. In breaking the Bank of England, Soros became a figure to be feared by countries trying to protect fragile currencies. Soros is far from a numbers-only speculator. He looks in-depth at a country and tries to spot errors in valuation; political policies in particular draw his interest. Active in philanthropy focused on bringing about political change, Soros also uses his currency positions to "punish" countries whose policies are ignored in favor of positive economic data by most speculators. By pressuring these governments financially, Soros can force political changes that might never come about otherwise. Governments may fear him.
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
First of all, White Teeth, and dutchman1951, I didn't say anything about killing anyone. There's that fear aspect again, the notion that's been instilled in people that they have to just live with it because of the position of power someone's in. A coup wouldn't have to kill anyone. ARREST the man. Yes, IMPEACH then. I dunno about you or anyone else, but no man or woman is above the law, whether that be the laws of God or the laws of nature or the laws of even common decency. Yet we have been force-fed the idea that the Presidency is a kingdom of some sort and we must bow down to whatever notion comes out of that position.
And the funny thing is-----it doesn't even have to come to any of that! I've been watching what's gone on. And everyone is so afraid to even verbally oppose Obama's ideas directly, to him, that it's almost laughable if it weren't so horribly obvious! Have you seen ANYONE with the guts to simply set him down and tell him right from wrong? There have to be LOTS of people with that power, with that opportunity. Where are they and why haven't they done so?
At the very LEAST, send an actual common-sense Constitutional scholar to give him some lessons on the basics. Heck, any average citizen could do that. Or some behavioral counseling. Or even read him the rules of conduct of a paid representative of the people. But apparently everyone's content just watching him in action, like a train wreck, aghast but speechless, rendering them totally inept.I am "NOT" fearfull Brenda. Been shot in Viet Nam, Burned out of an appartment, been homeless and God-less and still standing Girl. I am worried about You and if you realise what you ask for in a call for a "Coup"
I will fight like all of us will and I want him gone, but not like that. We are going to either be a Republic, elect representives to represent us, or we are not. The Alternative is a Monachary or Police State, or.... any word can fill in here
A Coup inplies Military Rule Brenda, aresting the President in a Coup means a Take over of the Exhisting Goverment. It would mean violence- period. It would also mean mutiny in the Military to get it done. It would post up two Groups or leaders immediately against each other, and guns would come out.
We are both saying impeach, lets use the Court and the system available and do that then, no Coup.
No one who opposes his Ideas are bowing down, but...we have not started to use the systems in place to do anything. That we can change.How?
Tell me. Give me hope.
What Court is gonna have the guts to bring charges against Obama? Remember he has Eric Holder already in place, who has shown he can do whatever he wants to. He has a woman named Pelosi right there to stick up for him, and people actually listen to her silly babblings. He has all of Congress under his thumb; all he had to do was say jump and accuse them of being unpatriotic and they did what he wanted. He has wrapped up the Government so tight it's unbelievable, and used his position for an activism forum instead of responsible leadership.
What does he have to do before he's considered to have overstepped the boundaries? If Congress hasn't got the guts to impeach him for warring with Libya without their sanction, what DOES he have to do get called out onto the carpet? Tell me.
Actually, I don’t know of anybody that has been force fed that the presidency is a kingdom…most people are fully aware that they get to vote for a new president every 4 years…a coup would have about 90% opposition from the general public and the military forces that were supposed to enforce it…to advocate such an idea really is insane…
I suppose you think the rebellion against England that ended up forming the United States of America was insane too.
And yes we "get" to vote every four years. Will the next Election have more Black Panthers wielding their sticks in front of the polling places? Or maybe Louis Farrakhan will be there in person this time....
- Brenda Durhamposted 13 years ago0
starchan,
the TOS of Hubpages requires you to be 18 years old. Your profile says you're a teen. What's up with that? Maybe 18 is considered a teen, I dunno. I'm just asking because your first post here is in this thread, and you speak like a kid. Yeah always love those people that have no profile or pic, you know something is up with them!
I have a profile and a pic, so apparently nothing is up with me...
That's not even funny. You posted that sentence in your profile after I clicked on your profile a few minutes ago. Deliberately. Looks like you're not too drunk to play games, huh? Maybe you can come up with a plausible place of residence too. How 'bout Washington D.C.? And your real name of course. Oh I forgot, you can just claim to be anyone from anywhere. How 'bout Robert Gibbs? Then I'll know what you've been up to since leaving your younger clone in place to face the media.
My profile said “White Teeth” for the last 4 weeks or so. Apparently there was not enough text there to be very visible, so I had added a couple of sentences just now…
Seriously, I have no clue who Robert Gibbs is...hmm, well at least you have pearly white teeth, even though you don't know who Robert Gibbs is.
Ha Ha well on secondlife we have this rule to talk on voice, because there are these people out there that like to pretend they're the opposite sex too, they tell you anything, or nothing. Make alts, have a million face book accounts, other social network accounts, yahoo accounts, with both men and women pics. Its a messed up world out there. So usually I don't believe anything a profile says anywhere less I talk to them on voice and know who they are. lol But again I don't talk to anyone on voice less I know them or someone I know knows them. Learned all those tricks the last three years, people stalking you, and harassing you if they don't like you. Write some more white teeth don't hide, cause when you hide we think something up with you. lol
Then you probably have no clue about anything political in America. So I'm gonna try to forget the fact that you've apparently uninterested in this subject really, but just decided to zero-in on me and attack me, for what reason God only knows. I'm asking you to leave me alone, okay? Not nice to have "met" you, I'm sorry to say. Let's have a civil goodbye, okay?
Goodbye.I just questioned the sanity of overthrowing the fairly elected government of the USA and trying to impose your will upon the vast majority of population who would oppose it...and thought maybe this should be "marked" the same way that pointing out where the | key is...
No kiddin'.
At least he or she admits they're drunk.
It really tees me off when people want to question my love for my country. I've been a citizen for 50+ years and have recently watched this Nation go downhill rapidly. I have every right to speak, to picket, to peaceable assembly, to question with boldness the things done by the people whose salaries my tax dollars have paid for and who are my representatives, not just their own representatives.Advocating the armed overthrow of the fairly elected government and subjugating the population doesn’t sound like you really love the republic that much to me…
Very Good. The ballot box not the bullet. On the day that violence is the sole means where by the Republic can be preserved - I am up for it.
Wow - a military coup?!? i think that's going a little too far... things can be resolved peacefully without involving the military. i already thing they are too involved in our lives and turning our country into a military state.
remember what happened during katrina? how the military went door to door - breaking in and seizing peoples' weapons? the last thing we need is a full fledged military operation and control of the country. we do not want to become a military state and there are more democratic ways to resolve our political, economic and social issues than with the military and violence.I certainly hope so. It should've come by now.
...The situation after Katrina was, if you will remember, a matter of anarchy, as many people rioted and looted and used violence against each other, even shooting at a helicopter, and all that while relief efforts were underway. No wonder the weapons were confiscated! And while that's unfortunate, there has to be an authority, a law-enforcing body, in almost any situation like that. Do I trust the entire police body? No. But there has to be someone in authority who can and will deal with things correctly. Most crowds of people in a situation like that become either a part of the chaos or are victims of the chaos.Geuss you missed the news. You know, those cops who were indicted for SHOOTING people at random? Just because they could?
I have read that a number of black men were rounded up and shot, execution style--in a swamp, and left to die.
Geuss who did it-- allegedly? Blackwater thugs.
You know, that "Christian" organization that practices sex with children for profit.
You know, the one where the ceo--good "Christian" Erik Prince, had to escape to the Arab Emerites to avoid prosecution for his crimes?
Yeah that kind of scarey to me! I don't want to live in another Darfur!
You won't, unless the government here is a Muslim one seeking to exterminate or convert the Christians and Tribalists like in Darfur. Just another shining example of Islam, the religion/economic system/political system of peace.
Yeah, the religion so touted by Obama, the one he welcomes with open arms, while he downplays (and downs) the importance of Christianity.
read Obama’s true feelings on such matters from his own writings.
Below are a few lines from Obama’s books “in his words.”
From Dreams of My Father:
• “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”
• “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”
• “There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”
• “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”
• “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.”
From Audacity of Hope:
• “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”Yep. It's there in black and white, easily read, easily heard in his speeches and words, easily understood that his intentions were biased from the start and still remain so. I don't understand how anyone could NOT question his policies, his intentions, his goals, his patriotism.
What is wrong with any of this?
Since 1947, we have been irrevocably, one-sidedly, unfairly on the side of Zionists....
What makes you think that is good for America?Now how in the world do you come up with Zionist? He is a socialist and Anti-American! you just listen to your MSNBC, NPR, read huffington post etc... READ HIS BOOKS! look who he appointed to his cabinet! look who he associates with. listen to his words carefully. It is so obvious it isn't funny! Enough with the Zionist already. we already know how he feels for Israel.
And how is that?
Did he do anything about Operation Cast Lead?
The American kid who was shot and killed byt the IDF on the flotilla?
The illegal settlements? They are still going on, are they not?
You see nothing.We MUST cut head start, aid to families, NPR, medicare,aid to states, aid to education, etc etc etc etc
BUT--we can fund this:
—By Josh Ruebner
"US military aid to Israel not only sailed unscathed through last week’s passage of the 2011 budget, but reached the record level of 3 billion dollars.
The United States additionally provided Israel 415 million dollars for procurement, research and development of joint US-Israeli missile defence projects, including 205 million dollars to fund Israel’s newly-deployed Iron Dome system."
Can you please wake up?your brainwashed, I just told you to read his books and investigate his cabinet and associates including SORROS and you are in denial Honey. it speaks for itself. believe the HYPE
Obama's ex chief of staff, Rahm Emmanuel's father was a member of the Irgun, an Israeli terrorist organization.
You want to tell me how Obama is pro-Muslim?
"The reality shows that Obama finally ended up trapped by the logic of Zionist power: Joseph Biden, Vice President (control of the lobby on the White House), Rahm Emanuel, head of the Cabinet (control of the lobby over Obama's environment), Timothy Geithner, Secretary of the Treasury (control of the lobby over the Federal Reserve System), and Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State (control of the lobby on foreign policy).
The maximum level of political decision, areas of presidential implementation and the president's environment, the highest level of economic and financial decision, and the design and execution of foreign policy (the heart of the Empire) will be in the hands of operators of the Jewish Zionist lobby (in Liberal version) of the banking "Big Apple" of New York.
In short, the White House (political power), the Treasury (financial power), the Department of State (the imperial power) and the Pentagon (military power to remain in the hands of Robert Gates) will respond to the strategic interests of Jewish lobby that will govern the U.S. with Obama as the "strawberry on the cake."
I happen to share this opinion, and I was HOPING Obama would be more fair in his dealings. But even a MENTION that Palestinians have rights too, is blasted as treason.
If I see any gorillas in my back yard I'll let you know Uncorrected, hope not, I did a whole presentation on Darfur, and oh my its a mess all the way around! I might as well leave now if we go to do that, and go die a peace maker in darfur. lol
Would it have been better if Clinton and Congress had intervened? I don't know too much about Darfur, but I remember hearing how Clinton regretted his non-action....
Wait a minute. I think I mis-spoke. That was Rwanda maybe. Sorry...
You mean the place where all night dance parties follow the slaughter of Americans or the place where candy and treats are passed out to celebrate the slaughter of children? Or do you mean the place that receives millions of dollars from the United States and rockets from Hezbollah and perpetual poverty from Hamas? I wonder how much paint it takes to cover the scorch marks from a Katusha rocket launching site? Or the scorch marks from a successful helicopter missile strike?
Pour your heart out for the people who would gladly mutilate your genitals, cut your man's throat and murder your children just because you are a woman, he is not a Muslim and they are vulnerable. The price paid has been steep and is paid regularly by Muslims, Jews and Christians who get in the way of Jihadists/Main Stream Muslims.
The Quran and the history of Islam world wide is replete with hatred for non-Muslims and apostates. But it is okay, you go ahead and delude yourself until you are paying the al-jeziya for being a Dhimi. That is if you are lucky. If you are unlucky you may not survive as s non-Muslim in a Muslim state.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
http://dsclick.infospace.com/ClickHandl … CA274B7B22No, I mean the one that is an "outdoor prison" for the original inhabitants.
The "Apartheid" of the Middle East.
YOU have no idea what you spout, NOR are you righteous.
Go on and keep cutting your own citizens of money, to fund a criminal regime.
YOU will pay the price for it. As will we all.Keep going. You entertain me no end - as do the "Palestinians."
I'm sure they do--one thing about baggers...not much compassion for others.
I have never bagged anyone. And you do not possess the ability to know from where I come, philosophically. I have compassion for those who don't soil their own lives - that list does not include the Palestinians.
That's a good one. You're funny--I think you entertain me too.
And what---your philosophy is "over my head"?
Your words here say it all, don't they?
YOU have a one-sided view of the world. You are right--everyone else is wrong.
That about cover it?You have no idea how many people feel just like me.
You are in for a rude awakening.Not at all. I know we are finished as a civilization because of those I know like you.
Riiiiiight.
You find amusement in people's death and suffering, and I'm ruining civilization.
mmhmm...sighs! Katrina was a disaster! Some say the Government did it on purpose! Not responding! Whether that is true or not I don't know. But I question it when I've read documents in international relations class about our presidents and the vietnam war, missile crisis in cuba, and Iran that were CIA documents saying how they covered things up in the media, told the media what to say, and even killed someone to get a document signed. Infuriates me!
I have personally heard of officers having discussions along these lines. Can't remember where.
I bet Timothy McVeigh had these kind of discussions too while he was in the army…
Well Brenda, I can not counter to much because down deep I agree, but again all I will say is not by force and I hope by vote.
Articles of Impeachment come through Both Houses, and Holder would be powerless to stop it. Pelosi only has a say if her Party rules, and 2012 is Key for all of us in this Country.
I honestly do not have any comfort for you as I also am not comfortale, but Inside I just know force in this Country will escalate much worse than any world situation we have ever seen.
I honestly understand your meaning here though. What happens if our system becomes un-usable, how do we protect our interests, our life, ourselves?
I think those answers are here already. Politicians are of two types, those who have power, and those who want it. Neither one has ever proven themself good for the Voter.2012. God knows what will happen then. I keep praying for something good.
It's called the Oath Keepers. Great Americans...except for the fact that they slept through Bushco....
Geuss all that illegal acticity was a-OK with them. Phonies and Right-Wingers, the lot of them.
Very Anti-American, IMO.
It certainly speaks to the frustration Americans are feeling with the decisions and policies of this administration which are seen to be so clearly harmful the interests of U.S. citizens. It's a sad thing.
I'm not even convinced there is much Obama can do. Other nations have been enslaved through their debt. Why not the United States?
Troubling that this sort of topic would be raised outside militia type structures. I mean Newsmax is conservative, but hardly radical.In 1994, Jesse Helms, a United States senator, said that President Clinton should bring bodyguards if he visited North Carolina because the military there hated him so much…so this kind of rhetoric is not particularly new or militia-centric…
...but Timothy McVeigh did murder a lot of children less than a year later…so maybe this kind of rhetoric is not a good thing to be spouting off...and if Hubpages is going to punish people for asking where the | key is on the keyboard, they should at least note the people so vocally advocating the overthrow of the United States…it probably can’t set well with advertisers…Okay Joe Biden, why don't you go sleep it off? Maybe the morning's hangover will remind you not to get drunk and insinuate rotten things about American citizens. I heard something about that issue you keep talking about...the symbols on a keyboard, whatever, but I don't even know anything about that kind of thing, and it sounds like you've got a beef with HubPages management. Take that up directly with them instead of harrassing me and/or other conservatives here.
Just pointing out insanity where I see it...but I am going to go sleep it off now…good night terrorists, "conservatives", and Hubpages management...
Brenda your new name: Rotwhiler Durham!!!!.......lololol
you know Ann that frustration is eal evident in a lot of folks now, you can really see it all around.
I do not think any President can answer all that is happening, reguardless of party right now. To much to fast, no stop to it
First of all, the article reposted is a great pig pile of steaming partisan poo.
Second, any soldier or officer (or private citizen for that matter) who takes part in a military coup against a legal, constitutionally elected government, that is, tries to violently overthrow the government of the United States, would be a traitor to the United States.
If the President were to refuse to step down if defeated in the next election, or if he were to refuse to step down after his second term, that would be different. But at least until the next election, President Obama is still the duly elected President under the Constitution. Folks who pretend to honor the Constitution would do well to remember that.
Finally, "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;" If Obama is doing such a terrible job, the people will fire him at the next election. If not, he's limited to one more term only, whether he stinks as president or ends the wars, restores the economy, balances the budget, and defeats the Legion of Doom. That's what I'd call 'transient.' It'll be over sooner or later, either in about one and a half years, or five and a half.
Why on earth would people who claim to respect the Constitution seriously think that the US military should ever take it upon itself to remove a Constitutionally elected President before the end of his term?I think it is more frustration and in-ability to stop the mess, than actual wishes to overthrow anything Jeff. and an understandable feeling in these times I will say..
There's a pretty big difference between a bunch of frustrated folks fantasizing about a coup around the water-cooler and a person with journalistic pretensions advocating a military coup as if it were a better option than voting the guy out of office. Heck, this idiot even pretends that most of our military officers have been weighing this as an attractive option, and expects us to accept this assertion without question.
If this were true, it would mean that our officers were faithless and their oaths were meaningless. But, thank goodness, our officers are not so dishonorable as to consider overthrowing a president whose policies they disagree with.
I seem to remember* a reporter once asking a high ranking officer why he didn't just refuse to invade Iraq. The officer's answer went something like this:
"Well, I really don't think you want the military to start refusing the orders of the President, because when that happens, you get a military coup, which would probably be worse than having a president you don't like for a few years."
*I can't for the life of me remember the names of either the reporter or the officer, the exact words of either the question or the answer, or the exact date this exchange took place. Believe me or don't; I can't produce a source.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket … v-reporter
"Are TPTB getting ready to 'wack' Obama?
Remeber, psychopaths have no allegences except to the greater cause of benefitting themselves.
Popping Obama would enable instant marshall law in USI under "i'm a zionist" Biden.
The last few seconds of the above 'off-camera' dialog reveal Obama knows he's being left to the wolves - otherwise the PTB would never ever allow a reporter's question like "why do you think you are so unpopular in Texas?" to be asked and/or recorded and released to the MSM.
He's being set up for a fall.Could it be he is now worth more dead than alive to the NWO planners? I hope Michelle has good life insurance on her husband in order to be able to provide for her kids if her alledged foreign born, bisexual husband is iced."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqf-x0u … dded#at=88
What will happen on the 29 April 2011 that require 129,000 detainie (Fema camp) handbooks?
Well we have an emergency team response 'drill' in middle America involving an earthquake disater.
Will Haarp make this drill go live like 9/11 and 7/7?
Or will Obama get snuffed in Chicago leading to riots and Fema camps actually opening for business? They were built by Cheney's Haliburton with taxpayer money and presently await residents."Actually heard something on the news by some brain trust consultant on CBS Radio New York about ,How high gas would go if something happened to the refineries "Down South". Makes me wonder????
You know, this whole thing has me completely flummoxed. It's interesting, but beyond that I just don't know what to say. The only reference in my mind was that I had overheard to old retired guys sitting in the hot pool talking about this, I chalk it up to wishful thinking. Early on there was talk of scaling back the military, there was even talk of a new domestic military just as strong, just as well funded as the traditional military. Some of Obama's ideas are very frightening to Americans. That is perfectly clear. I doubt those two old men were doing anything but hoping and wishing for a solution to this president and his policies and stated aims.
The decision to write this article and the decision to print it is so mind boggling. Why did they do it? Certainly it could serve as another distraction away from real issues and real activities undertaken by the Obama administration. It is so weird and uncanny a thing that I even find my wondering if it was a military psych operation which nudged these people toward an outrageous act for the sake of distraction.
Does anyone have any ideas about the possible motivation of Perry and Newsmax?Nothing of Obama is as frightening to me as right-wingers, whom we voted out of office in 2008, of whom since that time have not ceased to call for armed insurrection against the man I voted for.
THEN have the nerve to call me un-American,and a traitor.
It's as simple as anything.
The right-wing thinks they have the right to own America--citizens be damned.
They have all the big money, the big inernational corporations on their side, as well as the anti-muslim zionists...who own the Congress of the United States.
It's a take-over of America they are after IMO--they don't CARE about we the people...unless you are one of them."Some of Obama's ideas are very frightening to [paranoid, fearful] Americans."
There, fixed it for you.
Rational Americans merely agree or disagree with the President's policies, for reasons they can articulate. Paranoid Americans are wetting their pants at the idea of Obama's reelection, which is incomprehensible to me; it's almost three years into the first one, and exactly none of the hysterical fears the paranoids have been shrieking about have come to pass.
Well fortunately everything can be controlled by the goverment, even shutting down articles, to displaying them. You have a right for free speech, but whether you believe everything you read is another thing. That is why I don't like most of the discussions in forums. They are thought based opinions not facts, or research that is valid to give the clear picture of what people around the world are actually doing. The media is controlled. If they want to shut down a website or the internet they will.
Danny's obviously right...don't you see his patriotic avatar?
Flying old Glory must mean he is right.....right? Like Fox Schmooz....
There's nothing like the uninformed running around calling everyone who disagrees with him "unAmerican".....
Idiocy....I do not listen to any liberal brainwashed by their professor who doesn't have a clue! I avoided replying to you and hoped for the same, but obviously I hit it on the head and you can't deal with reality! please do not reply. I truly have nothing to say to you. And yes your MSNBC isn't BS as NPR and Huffington Post! please. good bye, good luck.
Yes, and I think he just said that Bush was pushing a socialist agenda?
Funny, I never heard that when Bush was in office. No crowds of protestors, no cries of socialist wherever he went...
Where WERE the protests?????Obviously you missed all the protests against Bush when he ran for his second term in office, where he once again threatened to Sue over the vote counts in various states against John Kerry. Who decided to just give up, instead of fighting him in court.
You also must of missed the huge crowds who showed up to throw things at him when he left office. And the huge signs that said don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. And, the reported celebrations when he was finally gone. Thank god for term limits.Yes I did miss all that.
Only thing I saw was the huge crowd booing when he and Chinless rode down Pennsylvania ave and into their 2nd term.
and I never heard cries of socialism,and when TARP happened, they automatically blamed Obama.
I saw protests during Bush, which were heavily guarded and monitored.
I never saw a gun at any of them.The biggest one against Bush when he ran for office the second time, happened in New York City. They had over 750,000 people marching in the protest. And, some of it was televised. People holding up signs that said, "darn good liar" and "Weapons of mass distraction." And, of course the funnier ones. "Just say NO to Bush."
The funniest was a single guy on his cell phone at the end of the parade.
Looking at the camera, and you could hear him saying. "Can you see me?" Then he moons the camera, and says "Hey bush kiss my ass!"
That was hysterical!
Also, if there is any "Coup" it should bypass Obama and go straight to the source of the problem, and get rid of all these do nothing but piss and whine and moan senators, who are doing absolutely nothing to help our economy while they block every good idea that comes across the table. Or, attach some "shock" bill like over turning abortion rights, and killing gay rights, to make it appear that the President is the problem, when the real problem is the congress.
People like the new Governor of Michigan make Obama look like a cub scout. Stripping the rights of City governments away, and then bringing in your own non-voter appointed people to run that city, while voter elected officials are allowed to do nothing? And, this is not the only place this is happening. And, Obama has nothing to do with it.
We have a bunch of crooked bastards running this country. If anything we should get rid of them first. If there is any coup it should be to get rid of our government entirely, and work on a government that works for everyone. It's bullshit.He speculated which you don't seem to have a problem with, he didn't crash the currency though, our right wing government did that for itself.
Read your own post.Ok believe that! the man is evil! If you read it, I copied what he said! The man manipulates currencies and busts countries! If you read it you would see how he makes these things happen. your left wing party would not be in power if it wasn't for him! His plan is making believe he is a saint giving to many charities and then setting everything in place to break the currency. play stupid or blind. Here in the States he started the tides foundation, acorn, Apollo, move on etc..
Soros is a militant atheist who despises men of faith such as George W. Bush. He is a Jew who loathes Jewish "tribalism;" a Holocaust survivor who likens Israel to Hitler's Germany; a naturalized U.S. citizen who considers himself "stateless;" a critic of "Darwinian" capitalism who ruthlessly exploited the fallen USSR in the crony-capitalist free-for-all known as "Russiagate."
Hillary Clinton: "It
will be outside
forces -- something
unforeseen that
suddenly happens --
that tilts the election
one way or the other."
Soros is a man without roots, faith or tradition, a lonely eccentric who fills his empty soul with what he calls "messianic fantasies." He dreams of using his wealth to transform our world into a godless, joyless superstate in which the very concepts of family, freedom, love of country and community will be watered down beyond recognition.
Above all, Soros is a man ever-hungry for money and power. His dark appetites yawn too vast to find fulfillment in any ordinary life.
Despite the many books he has written and the many interviews he has granted, Soros remains elusive. The simplest details of his life have a tendency to evaporate like dry ice in the investigator's palm.
Part of the problem is that Soros lies. Any journalist scrutinizing this enigmatic man must cultivate a healthy disregard for his public utterances. Not only does Soros lie, but he lies fluently, frequently, pointedly and with a master's virtuosity.
Following the November 2003 uprising that toppled Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze, Soros categorically denied press reports linking him to the coup.
"Everything in Georgia was done by its people, not by me. I had nothing to do with it," Soros told reporters on March 31, 2004. On July 5, however, he told the Los Angeles Times, "I'm delighted by what happened in Georgia, and I take great pride in having contributed to it."
Whatever.
Soros evinces, at times, what can only be called a professional pride in his skill at deception. In a 1995 profile in The New Yorker, Soros told journalist Connie Bruck that the "subversive" mission of his Open Society foundations – which have supported coups and rebellions in many lands – required him to wear a variety of masks through the years. In some countries, Soros might adopt a pro-communist pose while in others he would play the anti-communist. Only Soros himself knew where he stood -- and perhaps not even Soros.
"I would say one thing in one country, and another thing in another country," Soros boasted, with a laugh.
Soros still wears many masks. In a June 3 speech at the Democrats' Take Back America conference, he played the role of political neophyte, claiming that he had only recently involved himself in U.S. politics, due to his outrage over Bush’s invasion of Iraq.
"[i]t is the first time that I feel that I need to stand up and… become really engaged in the electoral process in this country," Soros said.
This was a lie. Soros has been neck-deep in Democrat intrigue since at least 1994. Three weeks after Republicans swept Congress that year, Soros announced in a November 30, 1994 speech that he wished to "do something about… the distortion of our electoral process by the excessive use of TV advertising."
Eight months later, Democrat Senator Russ Feingold obligingly rose on the Senate floor to denounce soft money abuses, thus setting in motion the juggernaut that would ultimately give us the McCain-Feingold Act of March 27, 2002.
Few Americans realize that it was George Soros who bankrolled the seven-year lobbying effort that gave us McCain-Feingold.
"Combine… the $1.7 million that Mr. Soros gave the Center for Public Integrity, the $1.3 million he gave Public Campaign, the $300,000 to Democracy 21, the $625,000 to Common Cause, and the $275,000 to Public Citizen – and you can be forgiven for believing Mr. Soros got campaign finance passed all by himself," notes a Wall Street Journal editorial.
McCain-Feingold neatly accomplishes Soros’ goal of regulating political discourse on the airwaves. It bars "special interest groups" from placing ads for or against any candidate for federal office on TV or radio 60 days before a general election, and 30 days before a primary. These "special interest groups" can be anything from corporations to grassroots networks of concerned citizens.
Big Media networks, on the other hand, are exempted from the blackout. Unlike other corporations, they are not classified as "special interest groups." During the blackout period, Big Media networks may say whatever they like about any candidate on their news reports and talk shows.
McCain-Feingold thus grants to Viacom (which owns CBS); Disney (which owns ABC); GE (which owns NBC); Time Warner (which owns CNN) and to other multibillion-dollar media conglomerates what amounts to a government-enforced monopoly on political speech during election season. Curiously, wealthy individuals such as George Soros are also exempt from the TV and radio blackout.
The U.S. Supreme Court upheld McCain-Feingold on December 10, 2003. In a dissenting opinion, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote:
"Who could have imagined that the same Court which, within the past four years, has sternly disapproved of restrictions upon such inconsequential forms of expression as virtual child pornography, tobacco advertising, dissemination of illegally intercepted communications and sexually explicit cable programming would smile with favor upon a law that cuts to the heart of what the First Amendment is meant to protect: the right to criticize government?"
Who indeed?
But this is the age of George Soros. What was unthinkable yesterday has become ordinary today. By shrewdly applying his money in the right places, Soros succeeded in ripping the guts out of our First Amendment. He simultaneously purchased for himself and his Big Media allies the privilege of indulging in political speech denied to ordinary Americans.
Election Day will be upon us in less than four months. Given the money and power at the Democrats' disposal -- and given the desperate, mass hysteria that appears to have gripped the Party of the Left -- almost anything is possible.
I do not often cite Hillary Clinton as an authority, but, in this case, allow me to make an exception. Every American should consider what Hillary told the New York Post on March 30, 2004: "It will be outside forces -- something unforeseen that suddenly happens -- that tilts the election one way or the other."
Now, of course, there are many sorts of "unforeseen" events that might "tilt" America toward Velvet Revolution: assassination; financial collapse; nuclear or biological terror; the last-minute release of trumped-up charges against the President. That sort of thing.
How can ordinary Americans prepare for it all? How can we chart the right course through this tangled morass of fear, chaos, rumor, lies and confusion?
History offers some guidance. Consider Switzerland's plight in April 1940, when fifteen German divisions prepared to invade the tiny country. Switzerland would have been crushed.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1173853/postsYeah, well Bush won that election in 04...so what outside forces helped him?
Ok everything happens over night! also who won the house and senate....excuse maker! You could not even refute what the man said in his own words! that just shows how brainwashed you truly are...sorry I told you I'm a real democrat, I believe in helping people But I see how my party got infiltrated by the socialist. I was blind to a lot of the BS both parties were spewing and really checked what both sides were saying and put the puzzle together with what these people said in their own words and their actions. Not very hard if you have an open mind and commonsense.
It is the weakness of the Left(socialists) to stare evil in the face and believe it to be good.
Isn't my next statement something you far left people say about the republican party and the rich?
Never accept advice from the filthy rich and powerful; they don't want you to rise to their level.
If so then why believe Georgy Sorros? sounds hypocritical...noAll depends on the individual, now doesn't it?
If he was Vice President, and said to a room full of rich people, "You are our base, and we will support you." I might have a problem with it!
If he said,"It is our duty as wealthy people to help the less fortunates of the world.", That's a whole different story.
And your own question could be turned back on you: If you so admire rich people, why hate Soros?I do admire some rich people for their accomplishments, But if any rich person was EVIL and trying to destroy the USA I would not like them whether it was George Sorros or any other person! big difference sweetie....BIG difference. Instead of replying back with ridiculous comments why don't you look up George sorros and all his Fake a$$ foundations that he fronts to make him look like a saint when in fact he is EVIL? Listen to his own words when interviewed. You might truly be enlightened. Again I'm all for helping the needy but I'm against people trying to destroy America. They are wolves in sheep's clothing!
This is how I feel about all the people you defend!!
So geuss what?
Check-mate.
You don't own the rights on what is right and wrong.
And from what I can tell, you are late to the game of wondering....seeing as you haven't had the time to look into 9/11, but have plenty of time to look into Obama and George Soros.
It's whatever floats your boat, isn't it?I have been a little and 9/11 does have some strange questions that I will try and find out. Still seems for this to have happened it would have taken many many people and I can not see it as of yet. I have only recently heard of these claims, I live in NY and lived it. This was so much easier to find out because you have their actual words and actions! I do not tell anyone how to think, I said to investigate it yourself! This is not even a conspiracy theory. It is their words and actions!
Soros makes his money by engaging in speculative currency trades. His "dog in the fight" is less about the UN and more about preserving international banking secrecy, which is being threatened by the war on terrorism.
In short, he wants to be able to trash other country's economies at his own whim, even if it means allowing al-Qaeda to kill a few thousand or more people at one time. After all, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs.
Currency speculators are, by their nature, shady characters without especially firm codes of ethics. They frequently have to procure information not generally available to the public; said information is often found in the hands of goobermint employees or elected officials. (Can you say "bribery," boys and girls?" I knew you could!) They frequently come across other shady persons engaged in nefarious actions. They usually do not report this stuff to the authorities, because it will engender all manner of awkward questioning re: how they happened to learn about the nefarious actions."Currency speculators are, by their nature, shady characters without especially firm codes of ethics."
You do realise that you are talking about bankers here?
Why is it that bankers speculating on currency good, individuals speculating on currency bad!Yes bankers do this, but not to collapse currencies! He is a manipulator! gets inside info by buying people off, but you leave that part out because because your socialist twist. Refute the man is bad! you have already fallen for the puppet after he took care of the UK. He is the reason the left won after that happened. you can not be that blind to admit that John!, You will because of your socialist agenda. in the end then everyone gets it shoved up their a$$ if they win.
I'm sorry Danny, I would love to answer your post but to be able to do that, first I'd have to understand it.
make it seem like you don't understand and refuse to answer. got it! I know your not probably christian but Happy Easter anyway.
No, I genuinely don't understand it though I would happily answer if I could.
And a happy Easter to you too.
Well, they have these things called hasbara-bots. I'm sure they can have right-wingo-bots too.
"I would say one thing in one country, and another thing in another country," Soros boasted, with a laugh.
To me this says it all, The man has zero loyalty. I'm sure the rats don't even realize after soros uses them to deal with the pesky Republicans, They will be the next meal.Are you outraged about Koch?
Enough to find things out?
Cause you would find a whole lot.
But you are focused on the other side of the aisle.
You cannot make others see things your way..that much I have learned.
You could have a confession and still people would say Oh No--that was a hologram! Not real!Koch is Not trying to destroy AMERICA!!! They are trying to get a fair playing field! They are nothing compared to GEORGY! nothing. You really have a warped sense of justifying! How can you compare KOCH to GEORGY? Georgy breaks countries currencies and starts COOPS as he admitted in his own words. How do you even compare the two?????
"Koch is Not trying to destroy AMERICA!!!"
Yeah..just the whole planet Earth.That's Lex Luthor not the Koch brothers. They just want to kill women, minorities, old people and Democrats - that certainly isn't the whole world. Really, not even the good parts of the world.
Really - cool - I hate all that green junk I have to mow or clear out of my gutters. Pave it all and paint it green.
The workers paradise is always the filthiest part of the world - good luck with your revolution comrade. In about 3 generations your masters will be dumping contaminated blood in to the population, nuclear wastes into the country side and making all your revolutionaries live in blank concrete mausoleums for the living proletariat. It all works out in the end. You will get to wait in line for everything and not have a vehicle to drive anywhere - that will be awesome. I know you are looking forward to it.Not gonna happen. That type of thing has happened enough. In case you haven't noticed, the Earth itself is angry.
Don't you remember as a kid?
"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature"
Why don't we say the days of mangling and abuse are over.That thing happens every time people like you get in charge with promises of paradise and realities of death. Old story that never changes.
"the earth is angry"
nutty stuff, no wonder you make me laughI know, it's almost as funny as Iraq has WMD's, or Cutting taxes creates jobs...those 2 make me rofl like crazy...
If it wasn't so dam tragic for America.I really don't care if Obama's Uncle Sadaam had WMDs or if you believe it. Your delusional nature is constantly on display. Tax cuts work there is ample evidence. But evidence means nothing in the religion of liberalism delusion is all.
Oh, his Uncle huh?
Well now, if I said Joseph Lieberman and his Uncle Bibi, I'm sure you and plenty of others would have a nice little lable to pin on me....
Careful uncorrect, your dark-side is showing.
At least Obama got that one right!
He was against that "war", and rightly so!
In fact, NO ONE knew why THAT one happened..until later.
Then, we find out that Saddam did not want to be a part of the Central Banking System, and wanted to get off the petrol dollar! We can't have that, can we? OPEC must be pacified, as well as the Rothschild Bank of the World.
I guess I AM delusional!
Here I thought our pols worked for US!!
What a dupe!
But I know, it's all Obama's fault, and he is a secret muslim terrorist pretending to be christian until he shows his real colors to the Caliphate Muslim New World Order. Right?
Careful how you throw labels around.They just might apply to you as well!
Happy Easter!
Hi love,
Interesting perspective. Religious actually. Perhaps a twist on the oldest of the theisms. Mother Earth and Sister Moon.
The earth is not angry. Be at peace with yourself.Exactly anon!
Have you ever read the Pistis Sophia?
It's on the fantastic internet!
A God sent down without his consort...
The "Alchemy of Finance" contains one of the most arrogant confessions I've ever seen in print, as well as some fascinating insights into how Soros used the misconceptions of economists, finance theorists, and traders who relied on them, to make his pile. Below two bios: to provide some perspective.
George Soros
* Hungarian businessman. Jewish; original family name is Schwartz.
* Net worth estimated at $20B.
* A man of enormous wealth and ability to deploy it in unexpected ways.
* Partner in the Carlyle Group.
* Was the owner of Harken Energy, and bought its declining shares so that George W Bush could make a million dollars. His reason to do that: "political influence."
* As currency speculator, cost the UK a billion dollars in one day.
* Hated by Lyndon LaRouche.
* Member, Council on Foreign Relations.
Timeline
12 Aug 1930 George Soros born, Budapest Hungary.
1944 Hides for a year from the Nazis, after they invade Hungary.
1947 Leaves Hungary for Britain to attend London School of Economics.
1956 Moves to United States.
1969 Establishes Quantum Fund, and dabbles in currency manipulation. Average return of that fund is an astonishing 35% per year, since its inception.
1979 Establishes Open Society Fund, New York City.
16 Sep 1992 In a brazen act of currency speculation, places a hedge bet that the UK will devalue the Pound Sterling. In September this nets him $1B in a single day.
1995 Appointed director, Council on Foreign Relations.
1997 Attacks the currencies of Thailand and Malaysia. A Thai source said: "We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula. He sucks blood from the people." [Heather Coffin, Covert Action Quarterly.]
2002 Convicted of insider trading, with regards to the stock of a French bank in 1988. Fined $2M.
Nov 2002 Soros is the primary sponsor of Nevada's ballot initiative to legalize marijuana.
12 Sep 2003 "If you impose morality on [business], it means that you are actually with your hands tied behind your back and you're not going to be successful. It's extremely hard to be successful." Interview, David Brancaccio, Now with Bill Moyers.
7 Nov 2003 Moscow offices of the Soros Foundation stormed by forty armed men who seize papers and seal the building, after Soros criticized the recent jailing of one of Russia's oligarchs, Mikhail Khodorkovsky of oil company Yukos. The building's owner claims rent was not being paid, an unlikely explanation.
http://www.soros.org/about/bios/a_soros
George Soros
Founder and ChairmanTo quote Ron, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
So you have nothing real to say and now use Baby tactics? I posted real words from his own mouth and things you can refute if you can, but you have absolutely nothing and do baby ZZZZZZZZZZZ
come on LMC I think you can do much better than that. Show me how in koch's words that they are trying to destroy America. You try and even make it seem worse by saying the planet, I almost wet my pants in laughter after that one! I will be waiting for some info to prove Koch said such and such from an interview or book like I posted and you can check! Did Koch take down other countries currencies? Do they openly state their evil intentions? please post for us to see. I will be waiting. I hope we do not get some more ZZZZ's or some other distraction from the facts. lets see what your made of.I'm still waiting for proof you're a Democrat.
NOW you like Koch???
Give me a break!
You like to research. Google Koch and the environment, see what you get.
Oooops, not on you radar, huh?
A CAPITALIST THREAT by George Soros
He may even had the thought of a coup against BUSH!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021826/posts
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