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Evidence Aside, State Lawmakers Debate ‘Birther’ Bills.

  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
    OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago

    I don't know about all of you, but, I think the time has come for a Bill like this.

    If we had this Bill in action now, we could be talking about something else, like, what ever????

    OKLAHOMA CITY — Investigations have concluded that President Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii in 1961, as he has always said.

    Just this week, on the news program “Good Morning America” on ABC, George Stephanopoulos produced a copy of the president’s Certification of Live Birth, causing a potential presidential aspirant, Michele Bachmann, the Republican congresswoman from Minnesota, to say that the issue appeared settled. In 2008, the Supreme Court declined to hear a case challenging that proof.

    But the so-called birther controversy stubbornly refuses to go away.

    The issue, which has simmered at the fringes of the nation’s political discourse for years, even got a recent burst of attention when it was adopted as a talking point by Donald Trump, a potential Republican presidential candidate.

    The result is that what had been a wispy tale of purportedly buried documents and cover-ups designed to hide the president’s supposed birth in Kenya — a tale that has been dismissed by most mainstream members of both political parties — now appears to have staying power as the political season lurches toward 2012.

    A New York Times/CBS News Poll released Thursday found that 57 percent of adults surveyed nationwide said they thought Mr. Obama was born in the United States, versus 25 percent who said he was born elsewhere. 

    But digging deeper into the numbers shows striking disparities along party lines and regions of the country. Among Republicans, for instance, 33 percent said they thought Mr. Obama was born in America, while 45 percent said his birth occurred in another country. The nationwide telephone poll, conducted April 15-20 with 1,224 adults and a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points, said that majorities in all regions of the nation think the president was born in the United States, but that those majorities were smaller in the South and Midwest than in the Northeast and Far West.

    Around the country, the issue has proved to be a sure winner for the conservative base, with bills popping up in more than a dozen state legislatures to force future presidential candidates to prove their citizenship. Those legislatures, though, have been much more reluctant to turn this issue into concrete law.

    Birther bills have foundered or fallen dormant in at least five states and are still being debated in more than a half-dozen others. In Arizona, where both legislative chambers passed one such bill, Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican, vetoed it this week, calling it “a bridge too far.”

    But now, Oklahoma, a deeply conservative state, could be the first to put its doubts into law, through a bill that would require all candidates, from town council hopeful on up, to prove that they meet the legal requirements for office. Those requirements vary by office, but presidential aspirants would need to, among things, file certified proof that they were born in the United States. The bill does not specify what documents would need to be filed. A vote was expected by next week.

    Supporters of the measure, and others like it from Georgia to Montana, protest that they are not birthers, as doubters of Mr. Obama’s country of birth have been called, sometimes derisively. They say that they simply want to clarify the status of all candidates and that Mr. Obama’s case has only sharpened the issue and illuminated what they call a glaring hole in statutes governing eligibility to run for office.

    “It’s not a birther bill, it’s a common-sense bill,” said a lead sponsor, State Senator Rick Brinkley, a Republican from suburbs of Tulsa. “If you’re going to file for office, you should be willing to substantiate that you meet the qualifications.”

    In state capitols, the debates have been reframed in the dry language of good government — a simple effort to clear the air, supporters say, for confused voters. And because many of the bills failed this year, supporters are renewing their legislative battle plans for next year, in the heart of a presidential campaign.

    Meanwhile, even beyond Mr. Trump, divergent views among Republican governors have heightened a new sense that the debate over the issue remains unresolved. After Ms. Brewer vetoed the Arizona bill, for example, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, a Republican, said he would enthusiastically sign a similar bill, should it reach his desk.

    Here in Oklahoma, where Mr. Obama won just over a third of the vote in 2008 — one of his worst state losses — Senate Bill 91 passed last month with overwhelming and even bipartisan support. People in both parties said they were confident that the House would do the same by the deadline next week (the bill would have to return to the Senate for a procedural vote). Lawmakers said they assumed that Gov. Mary Fallin, a Republican, would sign it.

    A spokesman said Ms. Fallin would not comment until the bill was on her desk and she had a chance to review it.

    Legislators backing credentials bills in other states are closely watching what happens here.

    “If one state passes, and the Obama administration basically ignores the requirement and does not qualify for the ballot in that state, that would send a very strong signal that we have a situation in the United States where someone who is not eligible is occupying the White House,” said Mark Hatfield, a Republican state representative in Georgia whose own ballot bill failed to get through. If Oklahoma does not go forward, and an override of Ms. Brewer’s veto in Arizona does not materialize, Mr. Hatfield said, “then other states, including Georgia, have a duty to step up.”

    Opponents of the birther bills say they are unnecessary and are designed to score political points more than safeguard democracy, certainly in Mr. Obama’s case.

    Still, Democrats in Oklahoma were divided. For example, the minority floor leader in the House, Chuck Hoskin, said he would probably vote yes. Asked in an interview whether he was concerned about embarrassing the leader of his own party, Mr. Hoskin said he thought Mr. Obama’s failure to win over Oklahomans in 2008 was the real embarrassment.

    But down the hall, an assistant Democratic floor leader in the House, Al McAffrey, said the bill was the embarrassment. “But this is Oklahoma — we embarrass ourselves all the time,” he said.

    Some lawmakers in other states said the fight to clarify the rules, whether sparked by birther talk or not, was overdue. But even some Republicans who have backed certification bills said they had no doubts about the president’s birthplace.

    “Barack Obama is a natural citizen, born in Hawaii,” said Mike Kelley, a Republican representative in the Missouri House and a co-sponsor of a candidate certification bill that he said looked doomed for 2011. “I know there are people out there who don’t believe he is — this is about trying to calm those people down.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/po … c_ev=click

    1. Maembe profile image61
      Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Wait.  There are people who think he was born in Kenya?  Had BO's mom ever even been to Kenya?

      1. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Wow. You quoted all of that just to add two silly lines? Are you unfamiliar with the power of import and edit the quite feature?

  2. John Holden profile image60
    John Holdenposted 5 years ago

    'scuse me Ron. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this


      1. John Holden profile image60
        John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        sorry mate lol

        1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
          Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Did you see the article in "The Onion" where the "Afterbirthers" are demanding to see the placenta?

          1. John Holden profile image60
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            LOL, no.

          2. dutchman1951 profile image60
            dutchman1951posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lololol.....RON!     funny

  3. lovemychris profile image78
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    If we never had Zionist operator Orly Taitz, we never would have had the Birther crap in the first place!
    Put the blame where it belongs.....Bibi Netanyahu!(according to Madsen)

    AND, of course, the GOP psy-op minions.

    Hasbarats maybe? They are trained in the art of Nasty.
    Oly? That you?

    Good cop/Bad cop routine.
    A couple of nasty mean ones, a couple of border-line nice ones.

    Play off each other. Tag team.
    Like bringing up OLD information....as if they JUST heard it!

    Transparent, that.

    The enemy within.

  4. BillyDRitchie profile image59
    BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago

    I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the left would poo poo such a notion.  Remember this is the party known for its "vote early and vote often" tactics.

    Why wold we expect them to start playing by the rules now?

    1. lovemychris profile image78
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It's not only the left who poopoo it..why Michelle Bachmann said it's over!!

    2. John Holden profile image60
      John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think it was the left poo pooing the notion that Obama was born in the states.

      1. BillyDRitchie profile image59
        BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The left is deriding the idea of candidates having to prove their qualifications (keep up, John).

        LMC, so now you're praising Michele Bachmann?  Did she finally do something right by you?  (Hint: she's been saying for months that she takes the President at his word regarding his place of birth)

        1. John Holden profile image60
          John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this


        2. lovemychris profile image78
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I'm praising her!
          But I have heard the other explanation, that she is only doing it because Trump stole all her thunder!

          Because when did she start saying this?

  5. Mighty Mom profile image92
    Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

    I'm sure our states have nothing more pressing to be worrying about. They are all completely solvent and unemployment is under 10%.

    Qualifying for president is not a state issue. It's a federal issue (as the Constitution waving baggers should know).

    But hey, if the states want candidates to 'prove they're qualified' that might actually be a GOOD thing. Maybe that will keep future Ws, Palins and Trumps out of the White House! smile

    1. Doug Hughes profile image61
      Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You mean they should require an IQ test? That would thin ou the GOP field considerably.

  6. Doug Hughes profile image61
    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago

    The governor of Arizona (not a moderate) vetoed an AZ birther bill.

    The movement is discrediting itself with overreach.

  7. sn53Anon profile image60
    sn53Anonposted 5 years ago

    I think it is a good idea for candidates to prove they meet the minimum qualifications for the office they are running for.

    Barry Soetero, quite possibly AKA Barack Hussein Obama has not yet presented a valid birth certificate. Why not? Several prominent Democrats took it upon themselves to get this resolved and found they were unable to do so.

    So it makes sense to have a law to make it far less likely that this will occur again.

    1. lovemychris profile image78
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Goes right over your head, doesn't it?
      Why don't we ask someone here who was born in Hawaii...there must be someone?

      Is that certificate of birth and the 2 newspaper announcements usually how they register births in Hawaii?

      The long forms apparently are not availiable to anyone.

      More laws, more laws...more gvt control!!!

      1. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What to do. What to do?

        Lot's of people believe that Barry is hiding something. having this law on the books would prevent this kind of significant division over something easily dispelled.

        It makes good sense going forward.

        1. Maembe profile image61
          Maembeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No law can satisfy a radical conspiracy theorist.  The person who verified the certificate will just become part of the conspiracy.