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The Obama Birth Issue will not go away, untill it is settled.

  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
    OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago

    And the Obama Birth Issue goes, on and on.

    I myself, would love to get this darn Issue over and done with, BUT, I made the statement here at Hubs, that I would keep you updated on, What's New.

    So, once again, you can read the latest of my finding's.

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35712

    OLY

    1. John Holden profile image60
      John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      But Oly, it was over years ago for all but the non-believers for whom it will never be over.

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I can't say one way or the other. I live this way.

        Don't tell me, show me.

        So far, I have heard a lot, but, I have not seen anything, anywhere or at any time, that all of us, and when I say all of us, I mean The Citizen's Of The United States Of America, can say, OK, it's over.

        If the % numbers were reversed, I would be on the, He is for real side.

        Now untill this comes about, I can't say, YES, or, NO.

        Sorry, but for now, this is my stand, and this is our country and I am a Citizen of it.

        OLY

        1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Oly - you ARE saying "one way or the other".

          You are demanding that he show you his certificate.

          He has shown EVERYONE his certificate.

          You are still demanding that he show you his certificate.

          I'VE SHOWN YOU HIS CERTIFICATE

          You refuse to go to Hawaii to go see the certificate.

          You still demand that he show you the certificate.

          He already has.

          You lose. He's an American.

          Your "I'm a country bumpkin" rhetoric gives you NO "oh, we'll just let him go" lee way.

          Obama's American.

          He even speaks in a midland dialect.

          Shut up about the damned certificate.

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well, I looked at what I said, how did you came up with, You Demand.
            I said no such thing.

            Until I see it on every Headline of every News Paper, TV, Computer's, across the states, at the same time, Sorry, I'll keep my stand.

            OLY

            1. thebrucebeat profile image62
              thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The fact is, Oly, this president was vetted the same way every president has been vetted before him.  What is it about this president that has made this an issue?  What's different or unique about him that has made this issue so tenacious? 
              I have my theory.  What's yours?

              1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                What is that saying I heard. OH YA, No Ticky, No Laundry

                OLY

                1. thebrucebeat profile image62
                  thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Why didn't you answer me seriously?

                  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                    OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    OK, I'll sail with you folks for awhile. Time will bring it out.

                    On to other issues,

                    Jobs, 4 Wars, Sinking economy, Seniors Pay Checks, frozen, military not being paid, Getting us back on the right track, Deficit out of control, Debt celling, and so on.

                    Just pick one, and let's talk about it.

                    Now if these are not good enough, I make another list.

                    OLY

                2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                  Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What? The birth certificate is online and you can see it?

                  Yet you still don't agree with it?

              2. hottopics profile image60
                hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                y

                1. hottopics profile image60
                  hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Brucebeat

                  You are right he was vetted. However he never produced a Birth certificate. He produced the Birther Document which is acceptable. Problem is anyone can get one.
                  I wish this issue would go away. We have to many issues that need addressing. Besides, if someone proves he was not born here, Joe Biden would become President. Talk about things going downhill.
                  http://hubpages.com/hub/2012-Budget
                  http://hubpages.com/hub/Tax-Reform
                  http://hubpages.com/hub/Health-Bill-for-911-persosnel
                  http://hubpages.com/hub/Gitmo1

                  1. thebrucebeat profile image62
                    thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    The so called "Birther Document" is the official papers available from the state of Hawaii.  The long form is an internal document and is never released.
                    If this was remotely legitimate, why did they cook up so many forgeries to get the conversation started?
                    Pathetic.

            2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
              Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              jeezus christ.

              IF you need a newspaper to tell you what's real, then you don't deserve to vote.

    2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this



      Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrre you would.

      You would also like to see ZZ Top switch to hip-hop.

    3. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oly, this matter was settled long ago. Where do you dredge this crap up?

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, just my dumb luck, I guess. We need not go into it.

        We all know that we are upside down, and there are those that just don't trust our Government anymore.

        G. B Sr. = I WILL NOT RAISE TAXES.

        Richard Nixon = YOUR PRESIDENT IS NOT A LIER.

        Bill Clinton = I DID NOT HAVE SEX.

        And now, This.

        All I am looking for is the , TRUTH and I have a long reach.

        Is that wrong?

        OLY

        1. thebrucebeat profile image62
          thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Only when you choose to ignore the truths that have already been vetted and give weight to foolishness that has repeatedly been discredited.  Then your agenda becomes obvious.
          Answer honestly, did you advance the idea that the forged birth certificates were the real thing when they came out?  If so, you have tipped your hand.

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Heck no, I seen it was no good right out of the gate. Now, there is just something wrong here.

            Do I know what it is? NO

            First it was The Birthe certificate, then SSN, Number. Now back to the BC.

            There is a piece of this puzzle, that just does not fit.

            Until this Issue about Obama is settled, I am standing fast on my opinion.

            OLY

            1. thebrucebeat profile image62
              thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Let me make sure I have your position clear.

              "Sumbpin's fishy."

              Does that about sum it up, complete with all available evidence?

              1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                BINGO,

                OLY

                1. thebrucebeat profile image62
                  thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Gotcha.

                  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                    OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I am not going to make another post on this, but, here is another new link to think about.

                    I read it, now you can read it. When you are done then maybe you will understand, why I feel and stand where I am.

                    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vi … eId=289857

                    OLY

      2. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Let 's go back a few years.

          Sunday, June 27, 2004, Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

        Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

        The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.

        Ryan’s campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.
           
        Barrack Obama


        "It’s clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race," Ryan, 44, said in a statement. "What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign – the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play."

        Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one ‘avant-garde’ club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was "truly outrageous" that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.

        The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.

        "I feel for him actually," Obama told a Chicago TV station. "What he’s gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldn’t wish on anybody."

        The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.

        The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.

        "Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state," she said.

        As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, "There’s no breaking of any laws. There’s no breaking of any marriage laws. There’s no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere."

        http://classic-web.archive.org/web/2004 … 060403.htm

        1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961) is the President of the United States and a former junior United States Senator from Illinois. Obama is the first African American to be elected President of the United States. He is a graduate of Columbia College of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he was president of the Harvard Law Review. Obama worked as a community organizer and practiced as a civil rights attorney before serving... More

          Date of birth:
          Aug 4, 1961 (age 49 years)
          .

          Place of birth:
          Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America
          .

          President number:
          44
          .

          Vice president:
          Joe Biden
          .

          Also known as:
          Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.,
          Barack Hussein Obama,
          Obama,
          President Obama,
          Barack H. Obama II,
          Barack Hussein Obama II,
          Barack Obama II,
          President Barack Hussein Obama II,
          Sen. Barack Obama,
          Obama, Barack

          http://www.freebase.com/view/en/barack_obama

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Do you see his real name, NO

            How can a person be born in TWO places???

            OLY

            1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
              OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Why did Obama "change" his name from Barry Soetorro ?

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                He didn't. You're simply repeating another lie.

                1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                  OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  OH, you are right, I forgot.

                  OLY

                  1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    the document you seek is online.

                    way to suck.

        2. Sara T profile image61
          Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          the site that this article is from is a kenyan newspaper. there is no way to tell whether they were labeling obama as kenyan-born because of a mistranslation or if it was a simple mistake on the writer's behalf. it isn't as though they printed a birth certificate from kenya. yet you are willing to believe an article some random person in kenya wrote as evidence, when you are unwilling to believe the state-issued, legal documentation from hawaii. your judgment on the issue seems to be very warped.

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well Little Lady, I do not believe anything anymore. Now when this book comes out on May 17. All you know what will break loose.

            These Posts I put out here, have nothing to do with what I believe in. These posts are information I run into.

            I am not the smartest book on the shelf, nor do I profess to be, but, when an article hit's my eye, I post it for your viewing or entertainment.

            My Judgment is, something is just not right in this BC, SSN Number, Father's real name, Where he was born,  and so on.

            This puzzle does not go together.

            Time will tell.

            OLY

            1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
              Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Are you Trump's PR agent?

            2. I am DB Cooper profile image68
              I am DB Cooperposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Ah yes, this ground-breaking book from the same man who got 80 random Vietnam veterans to say they "served with John Kerry, and he's no war hero". Then we later found out that those random vets just served in the same war at the same time as John Kerry, and didn't actually know him at all during the war.

              Yeah, this writer may have been a scumbag the last time he wrote a book attacking a Democratic politician, but we can totally trust him this time to tell us the whole truth.

              1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Darn DB, can't we wait till May 17, to start tearing the book apart, LOL.

                OLY

                1. livelonger profile image90
                  livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  The more it fuels the Birther movement, the better.

                  Since facts and reasoning won't dissuade the Birthers from their version of reality, we should just let them destroy the GOP. If the GOP can't contain them, then it shouldn't be governing.

                  Happy reading, Oly!

                  1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                    OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, think I will wait till the dust settles, then you can look for my post's.

                    OLY

                2. I am DB Cooper profile image68
                  I am DB Cooperposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  No, I won't wait until May 17th. The writer of that book dishonored the reputation of a United States war veteran for political and monetary gains. He is not deserving of any respect from me, and he won't get any.

    4. bgamall profile image85
      bgamallposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is settled. There are newspaper accounts of his birth in the Hawaiian newspapers. Don't be like Trump. Be smart.

    5. Evan G Rogers profile image82
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Just a reminder for everyone:

      THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE EXISTS, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ONLINE!!

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes you can. One from Hawii and One from Kenyan.

        Oh, almost forgot. The Donald has his on line too.

        OLY

        1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So you agree, it's settled. Obama is an American.

          Please stop talking about it.

          "I ain't no nothing bout nothin', but dat der Obamer is a Kenyun!"

          No. He's not. He was born in Hawai'i. You even agree that the document exists. It's settled.

          I bet I could invent Cold Fusion, take you back in time, and then show you Barack coming out of his mother in Hawaii, and you would still be here demanding to know where he was born.

          No one takes you seriously.

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Just wait till May 17.

            OLY

  2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago

    http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/ … ficate.jpg

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … e-part-ii/

    Oly. Give it up. He's an american.

    Fight REAL battles: for example, how we're entrenched in 4 undeclared wars.

    1. Scosgrove profile image82
      Scosgroveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Seriously... Just stop reading the opinion articles and social commentary and go out and look for the facts.

      There are birth certificates, newspaper announcements, and a few other proofs out there.

      This is getting ridiculous.

      1. Scosgrove profile image82
        Scosgroveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        If this was a real issue, something would have been done by now.

        It's an "entertainment" issue. It's something made up and propagated to help the Repubs win the 2012 election while not focusing on real issues and policies.

        1. AEvans profile image71
          AEvansposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I agree. smile

    2. OLYHOOCH profile image60
      OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      4 undeclared wars,

      And The Government takes a two Week Vacation.

      OLY

      1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
        Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Not "the government", but "Congress" took a vacation.

        Good job on understanding 8th grade social studies.

        PS - the Birth Certificate exists and is online. you can see it. You can read witnesses vouching for its existence.

    3. BillyDRitchie profile image60
      BillyDRitchieposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hate to break it to you, but that is NOT a birth certificate.  Sorry about that.....

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        THANK GOD, Sombody is pating attention around here.

        OLY

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No, it's an official "Certificate of Live Birth." What's the difference? It looks official to me. I haven't heard or read anything to cause me to doubt it's accuracy or authenticity.

        It's obvious and undeniable that there is an element of racism on the part of some of the people in the birther movement, and naivete on the part of the rest.

    4. 60
      C.J. Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thats part of the reason BOTH sides keep this up. It misdirects the public's attention.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Both sides? Oh really?

        As soon as they hit the scene, the Teatards have obscured the debate.

        Psy-ops. That's how it's done.
        Begun WAY before 2008.

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          C.J. Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Really. The D's use this issue to broad brush the R's as a bunch of racist or some other abstraction. I think it's pretty clear to most conservatives that the people have spoken and elected Obama President. End of story.

          Do you believe that Obama's place of birth is the biggest issue facing this country? Of course you don't. To quote James Carville, "It's the economy..." Thats my point. The economy is the issue. It's NOT getting better. It's not going to get better until the economy is allowed to complete it's natural cycle. We have been fighting off an economic depression since the 80's.

  3. mikelong profile image84
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    The San Fernando Valley Daily News did a beautiful article today detailing how anyone can view the President's birth documents....but few actually show up...

    http://www.dailynews.com/ci_17914715?IA … lynews.com

    The "birther" topic....a lithmus test for idiocy....

  4. Fortunate Fiasco profile image60
    Fortunate Fiascoposted 5 years ago

    I've written two blogs on it, and though people probably think I'm a birther I'm neutral on the issue similar to 'Oly'. I'm not sure exactly why the birthers say the certificate provided is illegitimate, but regardless there will be a book on it released in less than a month, and let's just say it's going to be very... interesting. Saying the least. I wrote about it here:

    http://fortunatefiasco.blogspot.com/201 … about.html

    http://fortunatefiasco.blogspot.com/201 … of-of.html

    1. thebrucebeat profile image62
      thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If it is as powerful as his other books, it, too, will be revealed that it contains many errors and mistatements, as his Obama book was revealed to have and his "truther" book.  He is a World Net Daily nut job that is hardly the man I would hitch my wagon to if I was looking to be taken seriously.
      He has been roundly discredited for his sloppy work, as well as having faced criminal charges for his formation of a mutual fund that lost all of its investments.
      This is your spear carrier?  Really?

      1. Fortunate Fiasco profile image60
        Fortunate Fiascoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        My 'spear carrier'? I'm sorry, someone obviously can't read. I said I was neutral on the issue. I don't know anything about the author, so that's my fault. I just thought it would be an interesting book. I will read more about him and his work. At earnestshub I will definitely take a closer look, I was unaware! Shame on me.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No shame. smile Nice that you want to know more, shows an open mind on the subject. smile

          1. Fortunate Fiasco profile image60
            Fortunate Fiascoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks. I know all may not think so but I'm open to either side, and if there is no credible disproof then the birthers loose technically don't they? Hah...

      2. Fortunate Fiasco profile image60
        Fortunate Fiascoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I realize you've chosen to ignore my second link also. Nice move. wink

        1. thebrucebeat profile image62
          thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          No, I read them both.  They both fail to take into account the source.
          You wrote " I'm not sure exactly why the birthers say the certificate provided is illegitimate, but regardless there will be a book on it released in less than a month, and let's just say it's going to be very... interesting. Saying the least."  You seem to indicate the breakthrough nature of his writing, but now you admit you know nothing about the author.  Yet you claim your neutrality.
          Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

          1. Fortunate Fiasco profile image60
            Fortunate Fiascoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I agree that I wrongfully assumed that the author was something I didn't research, that's on me. I merely read that he was an investigative journalist from Harvard & the time invested and felt he might be on to something but it seems he's not what I thought. Like I said, that's my fault for not doing the research. Do you think the man who allegedly stole Obama's SSN is a fake too? Either way, I still want to see the sources this book gives as they claim Obama spent money on this? Hopefully the entire book isn't as garbage as everyone contends.

            1. thebrucebeat profile image62
              thebrucebeatposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Hopefully?  That doesn't sound like a person without an agenda.  Those are the sentiments of someone hoping to find the goods on someone.  Why?  If you have no information to condemn him, why are you hoping it's found?
              Maybe you're not quite as neutral as you would have us all believe.

            2. sn53Anon profile image59
              sn53Anonposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Don't apologize in advance! :-)

              Let's see what the author has to say. He might surprise us. We have had our first Black President ( that would be Bill Clinton for those of you keeping score) and our second Red President ( the first was FDR and the second was BHO). So let us just wait until the book is available.

    2. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Jerome Corsi has already been taken to task for inaccuracies in two previous books and seems to be wasting his life on Obama bashing. Why is that?
      Take a close look at his profile. smile

    3. hottopics profile image60
      hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Fortunate,
      I do not think you or most people do not understand. They are not saying the Birther Doc is a fake. Birther Docs are accepted as a legal for of proof of birth. Problem is anyone can get one. The question is why does Obama produce that document but not his Birth Certificate?

      1. Sara T profile image61
        Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "anyone can get one" IF they were born in that state. i couldn't go to hawaii and get one.

        and he shouldn't have to produce a birth certificate when he already provided the required documentation for his position. being from new york, i had to request an actual birth certificate when i needed it for work a few years ago, because all my mom was given when i was born was a certificate of live birth.

        if you were obama, the first black president as well as the opponent of some very cut-throat republicans, and they were demanding that you deliver MORE PROOF than any president before you, simply because they did not like you, would you cater to their demands? hell no, you'd be the president of the united states! you shouldn't have to put up with that crap. and he does not.

        1. DannyMaio profile image59
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I Also live in NY I was born in the 60's and I have a real Birth certificate. I also requested a copy and received a certified copy of my Birth certificate not a certificate of live birth! Personally I believe he was born here but hiding something because he is the biggest liar! he stated he never heard Wright speak that way, he was in the church for 20 years dedicated a book to him and said he was his mentor! LIAR! He could have put this to bed because Hawaii stated they have the Birth certificate but Obama has to give permission to release it! why not just show it? how come he hasn't released his college records? or is that on the internet too?

          1. Sara T profile image61
            Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            my father, sister, and i are all from new york and i can testify to the fact that we all received certificates of live birth and had to specifically request actual "birth certificates" later on when we needed them for whatever reason. a certificate of live birth was enough for my ex-military dad to receive federal clearance for his current job. surely that gives the document some weight.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-ob … 91623.html

            here is an article written by obama in response to the incendiary comments made by rev. wright. i'm not posting it for you, danny, but for the other people reading this thread. your mind is already made up to yell "LIAR!" at anything obama says, so reading it would do nothing for you.

            what makes you think obama should release his college records? what makes you think he needs to show more evidence of his live birth in hawaii than any other president has ever shown of his own live birth in the states? you are being manipulated by his opponents. they know he was born here; they only want to spread some doubt in the heads of those who listen so they can discredit obama. if he were to reveal every single state record, medical record, college record, and whatever else he possessed, his opponents would claim he was hiding something else.

            he has a right to privacy in some aspects of his life, and if that was not the case then a judge would rule it otherwise. the federal government is satisfied - there is just no logical basis for these "birther" demands.

            1. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The Huffington post?? You people go crazy when they show a fox article! NPR, Huffington post and MSNBC are the worst!

              Also what would you expect him to say he agrees with it?

              Lets be real here..He went to the church for 20 years! He dedicated a book to him, said he was his mentor and you believe that? If so Since your in NY can I sell you the Williamsburg bridge? Come on, How can you honestly say after 20 years he didn't hear any of that? Would you have sit in those pews hearing that? For 20 years?? after hearing that would you say he was your mentor? dedicate a book to him? How about Bill Ayres? Is he not another strong piece of evidence in his views? He blew up Federal building! heard of the weather underground...right?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRg9il_V328

            2. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              also I'm glad to see you would not want to know everything about the person who will hold the highest office in America! that is very smart of you! The media has given this man a pass and many are drinking the koolaid.

              How come every other person running for president they brought up everything and the media becomes the best detectives? Any affairs come up, Anything that could be of importance. He preaches transparency but is a hypocrite when it comes to him! sorry for you to by it.

              1. Sara T profile image61
                Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                this is pretty ridiculous. the media is not in charge of obama's election to president of the united states. the federal government had to verify his documentation before he was allowed to take office.

                the media probably hates obama because he's not scandalous. the media loves a good scandal and i can assure you, if there were any to be found they would find them. look at the huge deal the media tried to make out of obama being acquaintances with bill ayers.

                you think that because no affairs or new scandals have come up that he's hiding something. it really is that impossible for you to believe he's actually a decent person? i can certainly see how the previous few presidents's examples have trained you to believe the president is a liar. but try and move past that. smile

                also, sure my link was to the huffington post. but THEY DIDN'T WRITE THE ARTICLE! it's written by obama so WHAT DOES IT MATTER? please explain. i would LOVE to hear this logic. however in case anyone else is "offended" by my choice of link, you can listen to the entire speech in which obama addresses rev. wright's comments here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo

                also, i am not "you people". i think for myself and i do my own research. i do not agree with any one group on all topics. i do not label myself. i have never labeled you or stereotyped you, and i do not appreciate being stereotyped in return. also i said i'm FROM new york not IN it.

                yes, i do believe obama could have gone all those years without hearing the reverend say anything anti-american, anti-white, or anti-semitic. show me a quote from before 2008 where he is saying something incendiary. i can't find a one.

                1. DannyMaio profile image59
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  You are blind honey! I guess you just listen to the bias media! Have you read his books? I have they are very revealing! Maybe his college work is about Anti-American or Muslim stuff? we don't know he is hiding it! this is the highest office in our Country how can you be so foolish to not want to know everything about someone who will hold that office??? His associates are all socialist and Marxist(fact) they have books and the own words from speaking, look them up. Again he says it in his own books! If you stood in that church for 20 years and did not hear this man speak like this and not walk out either your one brain-dead person or liked what you heard! they sell these sermons on DVD! why did he dedicate a book to him? said he was a mentor to him? If you seriously are that blind I guess you need socialism because there isn't any hope for you! again unless you know this and want it but lying like all socialist do. below is a few lines from his books! Let someone deny this is what he said in his books!
                  THE AUDACITY Of HOPE

                      * He wrote “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

                  In Obama’s book, DREAMS OF MY FATHER..

                      * “I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”

                      * “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

                      * “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

                  However, while campaigning in Kansas, Obama frequently emphasized that his mother was white, and that he had grown up in a predominantly white world.

                      * (Obama) vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

                      * “I was trying to raise myself to be a black man in America, and beyond the given of my appearance, no one around me seemed to know exactly what that meant.” Honolulu’s paucity of African-Americans meant he had to learn to be black from the media: “TV, movies, the radio; those were places to start. Pop culture was color-coded, after all, an arcade of images from which you could cop a walk, a talk, a step, a style.”

                      * About student life and race at Occidental College Obama wrote “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.” He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

                      * While in college, Obama wrote(he) disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.

                  Again, from Colonel Ray

                      “And after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.”

                      * After making his first visit to Kenya, Obama wrote of being disappointed to learn that his paternal grandfather had been a servant to rich whites. The revelation caused “ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House *igger.

                  Some tough words for someone who wants to embrace us all.we do have YouTube videos of Obama’s pastor for 20 years saying rather shocking things–one of them just is an audio that purports to be Obama’s ex-pastor, but others actually show Jeremiah Wright actually talking, own lips moving, so that’s kind of hard to deny. Even worse, we have Obama himself saying shocking things in video.

                  1. Sara T profile image61
                    Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    this sounds like the rant of a person who is very, very out-of-touch with reality.. but i guess that's what conspiracy theorists are supposed to sound like? call me a fool all you like. your quotes are all taken out of context and skewed to fit your agenda. that's my cue to quit this thread - i see no benefit from reading anything further you have to say.

                    i encourage anyone reading this to search the internet for these quotes, or to look them up at the source itself, before believing anything in that deceitful post. how disappointing.

                    http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_tru … nd-wi.html
                    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ownwords.asp
                    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/p … stand.html

        2. hottopics profile image60
          hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Sara,

          The constitution demands “natural born” so as to mitigate the possibility of “divided loyalties”

          Anyone can swear and sign the form to the registrar in Hawaii that they were a citizen of Hawaii. The individual gives the date/time of the birth and a document record is dually entered. Perhaps someone can inform as to whether you even need to show the baby! Doesn’t look like it from my read of the statute. Then you have to swear that the information you provided was the truth. That’s all that is needed and a Birther Doc is created. I know you will think I made this up but I am sorry to tell you I researched it before answering your  post. I know you will not believe it(typical). You can read the source if you choose

          As for your claim of New York, I was born there and was a Firefighter there for 15 years. I called and asked about a birther certificate. New York does not have or use a birther doc. In fact if you do not have a real birth certificate you cannot get a drivers license nor will they allow you to have vertain jobs like firefighter.

            http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov

          1. DannyMaio profile image59
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Thank you! I have mine and it has a doctors signature hospital and many more things Obama's doesn't. AGAIN I personally believe he probably was born here but there is a lot of questions unanswered, his grandma in Kenya, the family said two different hospitals? I find that one oddly strange! they don't know what hospital? I think he is hiding something personally and as the president of the United states he should practice what he preaches transparency but Of course that doesn't apply to him! just like him and Buffet claiming everyone should pay more that are making over 250K and These hypocrites take all the deductions and Obama even received a 12K refund! Can we say hypocrites.

            1. Mighty Mom profile image89
              Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Tonight CNN is presenting its investigative report on the whole Obama birther issue.
              I saw a "tease" this morning.
              They say they found more evidence than even Obama probaby knows exists.
              The anchor asked the reporter if this will shut the birther controversy down once and for all.
              The reporter answered, "Open-minded people will have their curiosity satisfied. But if people are hell-bent on believing a conspiracy theory, NOTHING is going to change their minds. That's why Obama has not come forward."

              The thing that amazed me is the poll numbers they showed.
              A full 25% of Americans believe Obama definitely was NOT or probably was NOT born in Hawaii.

              This just goes to show that the "birthers" have planted the seeds of doubt. God help us if they decide to set their sights on an issue that actually means something.

              1. Jillian Barclay profile image84
                Jillian Barclayposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The birthers are a cult! Not a religion--a cult! People who have issues with Obama and dislike him, find it soothing to say "He is not one of us!". That is code for : He is black, he has a weird name, he doesn't look like me, he promotes things I disagree with, he is anti-American, he is a secret Muslim, etc. etc. Makes me sick!

                I think it is an ignorant movement, as all cults are. Will be watching the special- want to see if anything new (doubt it!)This is such a tired issue. Each state has different forms of birth certificates. If Hawaii's is not accepted as legitimate, can anyone from Hawaii ever run for President? Or is it okay if they are white people from Hawaii?

                http://www.politifact.com/search/?q=oba … ertificate

              2. DannyMaio profile image59
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                And all it would have taken was for him to give permission to release the long form! isn't that strange? screams he wants transparency and he doesn't believe it for himself? very weird. I will watch tonight and if they have better evidence I will agree. I don't play to anyone side! I admit if something is what it is.

              3. hottopics profile image60
                hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                CNN, now there a credible source.

          2. Sara T profile image61
            Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            hottopics,

            like i've told danny, i don't appreciate being stereotyped. what is your basis for saying things like "typical" of what you think my reaction will be when you do not know me? ludicrous. before that remark, i felt your post was well-written and actually assumed you had already researched it. you do not "know" i think you made it up so i'll thank you not to jump to conclusions about me. i've said nothing that would make me seem closed-minded, but rather have tried to offer views that i believe others might not have thought of before they started believing in this birther stuff. you presented information that i did not know, and i would have appreciated it more if it did not include accusatory, generalizing remarks.

            i have a certificate of live birth in my filing cabinet upstairs. i've seen my dad's certificate as well. i had to contact the hospital where i was born to have them send me an actual birth certificate. (uh oh, they just sent me one in the mail? that means even if obama shows you his birth certificate, it could be fabricated! gasp!) well maybe the document i'm referring to is not the same document you are thinking of? i've never referred to it as a "birther doc" so that's possible. all i know is that i have one and so do the other members of my family who were born in new york. i would have to ask my dad if he needed an actual birth certificate to get his driver's license when we lived there, but i'm not going to bother.

            now, as it stands i don't quite feel like thanking you for the aspects of hawaii's system that you pointed out in your post. however reading that made me realize that i misunderstood the hypothetical situation that danny was talking about. i thought he meant that obama could have gone to hawaii during his adult life, claiming to have been born there, and filled out a form to receive his own live birth documentation. now i see danny meant that obama's [b]parents[b/] did this right after he was born.

            don't you think it would have been very inconvenient for his parents, if he was born in kenya, to rush back to hawaii to get a certificate of live birth written up? as the son of an american woman, he would have had automatic american citizenship no matter where he was born (his situation would have met all the requirements for this). so his parents would not have had any reason to lie about where he was born because they would not be thinking, "oh no, what if he wants to be president some day??"

            also, what pregnant woman flies in third term? one that wants to give birth over the ocean, i suppose.

            this is all because some reporter used a bad translator when interviewing his grandmother in kenya. it's amazing how things can get blown out of proportion in today's media-driven society.

            1. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I appreciate your post this time. Look I'm not saying I know he wasn't born in Hawaii, and Fell he probably was but There is seriously a lot of unanswered questions and to be honest I did not even take this into account when they first brought it up almost 3 years ago. But seriously If this man wasn't hiding something why wouldn't he just show the Country who has doubts? they estimate the amount at least 20 million people. I has vacationed in Hawaii a few times since these accusations and all he had to do was get the long form which the new democratic governor stated exists and show it, It will have the doctors name the hospitals name and some more info to take away this stupid issue. He refuses? does this seem odd to you? Well it does to me, especially when he will not release his college info, How did he pay for school? you do know he was in an Indonesian school as a kid and registered as a Indonesian citizen, maybe he received foreign aid? another question, Did he change his citizenship when he left for Indonesia? did he apply again when he returned? these are all solid real questions and because he wants to hold the highest office in our country he should be like he states transparent. then if you read those books and see who his cabinet is and who he associates with and what church he went to for 20 years, come on why can you not see why there are so many unanswered questions. I hate when right away people claim racism! he is half white and his white mother and family actually took care of him his father ran off. these are legitimate concerns. I don't care if he was white, black, yellow green or whatever!

            2. hottopics profile image60
              hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sara,

              First let me apologize to you. When I wrote typical, I did not mean to insult you. But you insult me by calling me a liar. Unlike many people who post their blogs or posts, they write what they want and claimm it to be fact. As I said, I was a NY firefighter. I suffer from the toxins of 911. I have been  in the hospital for several years, I have been stick in bed since December when I almost died. I have all day to read up on topics and research them. That was why I gave you the link to Hawaii. I also told you I researched the subject before I answered you so I do not get why you said " i felt your post was well-written and actually assumed you had already researched it. you do not "know" i think you made it up" 
              I try to be as objective as possible and to put my ideas out there to. I hope others do to. I hope you read my blogs as I am going to read yours. Once again sorry if I offended you

              1. Sara T profile image61
                Sara Tposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                hottopics, first of all thanks for the comment on my hub - i'll be checking yours out, too! second, i was not calling you a liar. i can see how my wording was confusing, though, looking over it again.

                to clarify:
                i believed you had researched your post before you wrote it because it was well-written.
                but i did not appreciate you saying "I know you will not believe it(typical)". this was an assumption about me, and that's what i was mad about. that's what i was referring to.
                i was not saying "i think you made it up". that was not its own sentence. the whole sentence was "you do not "know" i think you made it up".
                in other words: do not assume i will not believe you.

                sorry for the confusion, and i hope this rewording sorts it out. it can get confusing when quoting someone but sometimes it's needed to clarify. i definitely did appreciate you taking the time to research before posting on here, because too many people don't. take care :]

                1. hottopics profile image60
                  hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Sara,

                  I think the current political atmoshere in Washington could learn alot from reading out correspondenses. Too bad they do not talk, reason, and learn from each other as we have. Think of how fast they could fix all of our countrys issues. I look forward to reading your posts in the future. Thanks for the reply.

  5. Doug Hughes profile image60
    Doug Hughesposted 5 years ago

    From CNN Global Public Square

    Fareed Zakaria on Donald Trump and coded racism...

    "2. The ‘birther’ issue is coded racism

    Then there is the ‘birther’ issue. I regard this as coded racism, frankly. I don’t think there’s any other word for it.

    For goodness’ sake, George Stephanopoulos displayed Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth on network TV and this rumor still doesn’t die. Put it this way: If the President was a white man named John Smith with the other background issues being the same —foreign student father, mother in Hawaii, etc. —would there be any of these dark insinuations?

    Trump should be ashamed of himself. But then, I suppose, he wouldn’t be Donald Trump. I don’t think that the ‘birther’ issue the real appeal of Trump, anyway. It has just helped Trump get free media and rise up in the polls. His real appeal is the fantasy that he can somehow get us out of the mess we’re in.

    The reality, however, is that only we can get us out of the mess we’re in."

    The mainstream media has (finally) started calling this out for the underlying racism that is the only explanation. It's ugly. However, I am encouraged by the fact that some of Obama's most vocal critics on this forum and in the media are rejecting this carp and returning to issues.

    1. hottopics profile image60
      hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      This is not an issue of race. I agree he has produced a Birther document. The question is why does he not produce his Birth certificate? That would end the discussion. The discussion should end not matter what. After all, if Obama is proven to not be a citizen, Joe Biden will become President. Holy S@@@!! You think the country is in trouble now

  6. lovemychris profile image79
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Televangelist Franklin Graham suggested he was unsure about whether President Obama was American, saying on ABC’s This Week yesterday that potential presidential candidate Donald Trump “may be right.” Graham went on to praise Trump and implied that he may end up endorsing the real estate mogul."

    Trump's a phony! He doesn't own his property's he leases them!
    He gave Sheen a "diamond", Sheen said it was tin!
    Graham is phony too! War for greed is not Christ-like.

    Anyway--this is what it's about:
    Trump say "Bring the jobs back"--

    I stumbled on this last week, haven't gone unto it, but what they want is to lower tax rates for these businesses to come back.
    This, after they ALREADY got tax BREAKS for moving the businesses out!

    It's another scam for the benefit of these crook corporations!

    Trump is their charlatan spokesman..as is the Christian Coalition. IMO

    Watch for the new campaign to be Bring the jobs back...for a cool profit, that is.

    Scamerica.

    1. DannyMaio profile image59
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      HE ISN"T AMERICAN!  If he can go to an Anti-American church for 20 years and LIE that he never heard Wright speak that way and dedicate a book to him and say he is his mentor than he is Anti-American! His wife even said for the first time in her life she is proud of America! so obviously she didn't like America either! Your to brainwashed to even see the truth if it hit you in you head with a boulder but you can spew nonsense that Trump doesn't own he leases? How can you sell if you don't own??? see how ridiculous you sound. You believe the nonsense they give you by making believe they care about the poor and helpless, mean while they are using you! and the scare part is Obama that they are trying to get rid of social security, welfare etc... I have never seen so much BS coming from the WH. I hated bush and he never blamed anyone for anything! Obama needs scape goats as he isn't man enough to take the blame always someone Else's fault! I see why you like him your are the same way, you blame the rich instead of taking responsibility for yourself.

      1. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        *lalalalalalalalalalalala*

      2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
        Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I didn't know that there were "anti-american churches"

        That's quite a claim.

        What is that, the Church of Latter Day I Hate Washington-ipalians?

        What's their holy book? I think I heard it was called "the Ol' Testament"... might be mistaken.

        His wife said she's proud of America, and that proves they aren't American?

        What the flaming hell? How does your head even put that conclusion with that prompt?

        You have been given a special gift, good sir. I advise you to use it where NO ONE can see or hear you.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image86
          PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Love it, Evan!  cool

        2. DannyMaio profile image59
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I guess your higher than oh mighty a$$ has been in a cave for a few years. please watch videos below and tell me if that isn't a Anti-American racist Church!

          NOT GOD BLESS AMERICA, GOD DAM AMERICA

          AMERICA'S CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST!

          HILLARY AINT NO  "N"

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEMZHQsQ … re=related

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJnkdamq … re=related

          1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
            Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            BILL O'REILLY!!! AAAAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH

            YOU LINKED ME TO O'REILLY!!! AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

            PS - it's interesting to see that you think that dissent is Anti-American.... yet here you are demanding that Obama is bad.

            So hilarious to see such ridiculous arguments.

            It's also hilarious to see that all three of your sources are of the same event.

            Oh man, good times. good times!

          2. lovemychris profile image79
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            And yet, he never called for the armed overthrow of criminal Bush....

            And here you smear-meisters just can't harass the president enough.


            On the Americo-Meter, I'd say Wright/Obama 10, Birther/Baggers, 0!

            1. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You would you are so miserable that you want everyone else to be miserable, will not be me! I guarantee you that! Again take responsibility for your own actions.

              1. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                That's what Wright is saying! America--take responsibility for what you do.
                You are saying, fuggedaboutdit...it's not so bad....

                ....Unless it's Obama and the Dems.
                What kind of American are you? An ideologue?

                1. DannyMaio profile image59
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What????? You totally lost me. Where did you get that from? LMAO

                  1. lovemychris profile image79
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Doesn't take a brain surgeon...even Bush could figure it out.

        3. DannyMaio profile image59
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          here is the other part Mr. Know it all I'm a teacher!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMlOKvTZ … re=related

          1. John Holden profile image60
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well of course Danny, you would favour blind allegiance over thoughtful consideration.

            1. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              those videos doesn't prove that church is Anti-American? Why even ask you, you live in the UK and You admitted your a socialist. You have a motive to deceive!

              1. John Holden profile image60
                John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Danny, what are you on about, or,more realistically, what are you on?

                The video that I commented on was a brief clip of M Obama saying that for the first time she was proud to be American, followed by lots of puerile suggestions.

                Where do you get anything about proving the church is anti American, of course it doesn't, it doesn't even address the issue!

                1. DannyMaio profile image59
                  DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  So you are admitting the church is anti- AMERICAN?

                  See she was in the pew with Obama those 20 years also! if you want to be blind or a sucker that is your problem! These people hold the highest office in our GREAT country and if they feel this way for 40 something years and Go to that nasty church I do not think they should be in the WHITEHOUSE period! That is not a patriot to our great country and doesn't deserve to be president!

                  1. John Holden profile image60
                    John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    How the hell do you get there?
                    Why have you brought the church into it?
                    There is absolutely no mention of the church in the video you posted!

            2. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Well of course Danny, you would favour blind allegiance over thoughtful consideration.

              Well lets see the chickens are coming home to roost? hmmmm maybe i should consider thoughtfulness? maybe he was saying we were hungry and the chickens was food to eat? hmmmm, maybe
              lets see no.no.no. not god bless America..GODDAM America? How can I put this as thoughtful consideration? hmmmmm I'm having a hard time with this one, can you help me?

              Yes I will Take allegiance of this creep over thoughtful consideration any-day! I would actually put it, I will take my allegiance over being a sucker!

              GOOD TRY SOCIALIST BLEEDING HEART!

          2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
            Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "For the first time in my adult life, I'm really proud of my country".

            Sorry... I could hardly hear her over the god-awful death metal idiot music.

            But from what I heard, she was trying to emphasize that she is ACTUALLY proud of the country, and not just using the word "proud" willy-nilly like other individuals.

            PS - I'm not a teacher right now.

      3. hottopics profile image60
        hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        TESTIFY DANNY

        1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          really? you buy into this?

    2. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's why big business is sitting on 2 trillion $$. They aren't ABOUT to do anything now, with the situation as it stands.
      They will wait until Americans are real desperate for those jobs, will do ANYTHING to just put food on the table...,then we can lower the tax rates for business--and by then Walker, Shneider, Kasich, the Koch Bro's, etc, will have the unions de-stabilized, and business can operate in a third-world way right here in America!

      WE are the next cheap labor pool for international corporations.

      Government is supposed to protect us from this..that's what America is supposed to stand for:
      The Common Man.

  7. Evan G Rogers profile image82
    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago

    Just a reminder, everyone!

    The Certificate exists and can be seen by just typing in "Obama's Birth Certificate" into a google search.

    I bet lots of money that OLY doesn't "believe" in Evolution, either!

  8. livelonger profile image90
    livelongerposted 5 years ago

    An "authoritative" article that nevertheless can't manage to spell Obama's first name correctly.

    The Birthers are living in an alternate universe. Good luck to them, though. They'll kill the 2012 GOP hopefuls with their insane conspiracy theories.

  9. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

    http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhuRe2KvnUqy_PlnnU_kEakzi3hGX0OhumLW15bgKSBp4mdL99ag

    1. hottopics profile image60
      hottopicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Great picture!!

  10. mikelong profile image84
    mikelongposted 5 years ago

    Danny....do us all a favor, and go to Hawaii yourself....  I have full confidence in what you will find....you can take the poor sap who started this thread with you....

    "Learn" together....  Why should Obama have to bow to the wishes of lunatics?  He did very well to not acknowledge any of this....  Don't give the loons any justification or credibility.... 

    The birth issue is long settled......except in the mind of the delusional, simple, and blinded...

    As for your ongoing "anti-American" nonsense......it is quite clear that you have no clue what you are saying....

    After viewing several Wright videos, who you continue to rail against, I don't hear anything threatening.... 

    America is the land of freedom of speech and discontent....original American colonists rose up and burned Jamestown to the ground.....  "Anti+American" exists if you are al Quaida, or if you want to see this nation, as a whole, fall.....  I have not yet heard Wright, or any of these "anti-Americans" you keep referring to, saying or doing anything of the like...

    If you have proofs....bring them forward....

    Just on another note, Socialism, as you term it, is not "anti-American"....in fact, going back to before our nationhood began, collective action or work was the norm.....from cobblers onward, associations of workers were all around.....and the first "strikes" were way back in the first decade of the 1800's..... There was no such thing as "socialism" back then....it was just workers trying to keep wealty merchants from stealing away their profits.....  Our labor unions today are linked to these ancestors.....Marx and "socialism" come later....

    But, hey, one would have to actually know American history to understand this.....

    1. DannyMaio profile image59
      DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      After viewing several Wright videos, who you continue to rail "against, I don't hear anything threatening.."

      so it has to be threatening to be Anti- American? That is such an ignorant statement!

      As I stated Hawaii has said they have the original BIRTH CERTIFICATE but obama has to give permission to release it! why not? Don't give me any of your professor teaching and brainwashing you BS. He is suppose to be the president of the United states and should do the right thing and show it! Again If you actually read and comprehend properly you would see I said I think he is Probably born here but hiding something! you just need to put your nonsense in there.

      I also told you to not reply to my messages because I do not want to speak to you as I feel you were brainwashed by your professors as your uncle said!

      And if you need threatening to be Anti- American then how about Bill Ayres? He blew up federal building and many other horrible things! He was good friends with him and probably wrote his first book! If all these pieces of the puzzle doesn't sound fishy to you, that just proves your ignorant!

      PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND!!!

      1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
        Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Boo.

        I responded.

        Go to hawaii, and see the document. It exists. He's american.

        I would also like to point out that he's the ONLY president that people have ever made these demands over.

        my "professors" don't talk about this stuff because we're too busy talking about Piaget and Erikson.

        Just because you don't have the cajones to go to hawaii and make the demands yourself, you don't have to call us -- those of us who believe the numerous individuals who have taken photos of the document --  "anti-american and brainwashed".

    2. mikelong profile image84
      mikelongposted 5 years ago

      Dee de deeranged Danny strikes again.....

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        BRAINWASHED BY HIS PROFESSOR MIKE STRIKES AGAIN !!!

        1. John Holden profile image60
          John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Strike me that your brain could do with a good wash Danny, it's all over the place with its muddy boots.

        2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME!!!

    3. mikelong profile image84
      mikelongposted 5 years ago

      Evidently, Danny, you did not read the Daily News article that I linked earlier in this very thread.....check it out...

      Anyone can view his birth certificate.....you might have to stand in line for 10 or 20 minutes... But, mind you, the article points out that those in line with you are not there to see Obama's birth documents....  For all the uproar on the idiotic "right" about our President's "dubious" origins, only 25 people have come to view the documents since March of last year.....

      No one from the Trump camp has shown up.....though he made the claim to send people to "investigate" several weeks ago....

      Having lived in the Islands for a year....head out there Danny....take a break in mid-Pacific paradise, and mosey on down to the Records Department.....you don't need Obama's permission....

      Your fantasies about our President's birthplace are the only potentially anti-American comments raised....  Your views are your own....and don't reflect us all....and if you wish to elevate me to professor status, that is on you....

      It is a good thing for you that I am not giving out grades.....for I don't think your gpa would be very good this quarter...

      Poor guy...sad

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Obviously I did and they do not show the BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! It is a certificate of live birth! I said do not respond to me because I do not want to hear you nonsense!

        1. junko profile image80
          junkoposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          DannyMaio, take a break. Come back next week, change your name.

        2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
          Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Here you go:

          http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_d … _of_Hawaii

          I know this will make NO impact on your brain whatsoever.

          1. John Holden profile image60
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            It's not worth it Evan, banging, head and brick wall come to mind.
            You'd be far better off arguing with me smile

            1. lovemychris profile image79
              lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Heres' my solution:
              *lalalalalalalalalala*

              or as they would say:
              *LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA*

              Hey--Trump is only second generation American. I've got him beat!

              nanneee naneee booobooo

              Why, I'll betcha Obama's roots in America go deeper than Trump's.

              I'll betcha if anyone wants to look into Trump, they will find Pawlenty to make them wonder!

              Ohhhhhhh, aTrumpin we will go, aTrumpin we will go. High-Hoe the dairy oh, a Trumpin we will go. (Hoe being the operative word.)
              Careful what comes out in the wash, just sayin.

            2. Mighty Mom profile image89
              Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Isn't that one of the side benefits of perpetrating this myth?
              Besides spreading doubt about Obama (Jillian Barclay put it very well), the birther noise is a distraction. It causes otherwise thoughtful, reasonable people to bang their heads against walls or argue amongst themselves.
              roll

              1. DannyMaio profile image59
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                How did the last election work out for you? Do you remember saying you won't lose that many seats. We can pull it up spinner. just say the magic word.

              2. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Well Hi, Mighty Mon. Welcome Aboard.

                OLY

          2. DannyMaio profile image59
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov

            Anyone can swear and sign the form to the registrar in Hawaii that they were a citizen of Hawaii. The parents/ grandparents gives the date and time of the birth and a document record is dually entered. Perhaps someone can inform as to whether you even need to show the baby! Doesn’t look like it from what I read of the statute. Then you have to swear that the information you provided was the truth. That’s all that is needed and a Birther Doc is created. Hence the reason people want to see If a doctor signed that he delivered the baby etc... what is so hard? lets see your interpretation of the Hawaiian law Evan since you are scholarly.

    4. mikelong profile image84
      mikelongposted 5 years ago

      Again if you can not answer the original do not respond! thank you.<----Dear old Danny


      The one pointing out the "real" anti-Americans is out to limit free speech on a website forum?

      I see your true colors shining through that rant spew that oozes from your fingertips....

      Making an American Flag an avatar does not elevate your "American" status.....

      The only nonsense here is yours..... If you can't handle the heat in the kitchen, don't become a cook...

      Get some help to quell these delusional anger issues of yours....  I can only imagine what your blood pressure must be like.....  Your going to "Obama is Anti-American" yourself to death here on hubpages...

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not saying it is a crime to speak that way! don't put words in my mouth or try to brainwash me like your professor did you!

        He can think that way and be Anti-American all he wants but shouldn't be president! see the real truth! spin your nonsense

        I asked you a few times to not respond to me I'm done with your ridiculous rants! You try and twist freedom of speech with what I'm saying and you know that is just false! Did they arrest Wright? no because it is not a crime and his right, but the president of the united states should not be Anti- American!

        AGAIN DO NOT RESPOND BACK!!!!! Go call your professor!

    5. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      listening to talk radio today   every single  person  questioning Obamas  birth place did not know  the supposed foreign country they  assume he was born in.     lots of opinionated       people without all the facts . which led me to turn the dial .

    6. TheSenior profile image60
      TheSeniorposted 5 years ago

      I lived in Hawaii for a long time and never realized that they didn't have a 'birth cert', I applaud Donald Trump for getting to the bottom of this.

      The Constitution says that 'only a natural born citizen may occupy the presidency' And all that has to be done is furnish a regular one like I have that has a number, MD's signature, date and all the other info.

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        hello Senior, When were you born Sir? was it before or After Obama? Also tell us why since you have an actual long form  Hawaiian birth certificate that you have concerns(if any) thanks

        1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know if any of you have gone to get this VIDEO, Danny is referring to, SO, here it is.

          Second, If you can convince us that you go to a church with a leader like this for, 20 YEARS, an the next thing out of his mouth was, I AM A CHRISTEN, I call BS.

          Now, you can watch the VIDEO. If you don't get it the first time, WATCH IT AGAIN.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzhl-end … re=related

          OLY

          1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
            Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "Ross has been criticized by Glenn Greenwald and others for a series of stories which linked Iraq and the 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States. These reports were based upon anonymous "high level" sources and were both denied by the Administration[29] and subsequently shown by other reports to be false.[citation needed] It is claimed that Ross unwittingly helped build support for the invasion of Iraq via his high profile erroneous reporting.[30][31] Dan Froomkin asked on August 5, 2008 in the Washington Post[32] "So who told ABC the powder looked Iraqi?"

            "The NY Sun reported that Ross was ordered by a federal judge to reveal his sources.[33] In response, an ABC News spokesperson said that the organization was going to protect its sources".
            [edit] Expose on Toyota

            Source: Wikipedia

            In a broadcast entitled "Expert: Electronic Design Flaw Linked to Runaway Toyotas" which aired the night before a Congressional Panel began investigating the issue of unintended acceleration in Toyota vehicles, Ross claimed that the problem was caused by a defect in the electronic system. Toyota pointed out that the expert used by Ross was paid by the defense attorneys, and the video footage by Ross showing a tachometer shooting from 1,000 to 6,200 RPM was staged because the vehicle was actually sitting in a parking lot with the transmission firmly in Park. Toyota has demanded a public retraction and formal apology from Ross and ABC News.[34][35][36[]
            [Source: Wikipedia]

            Ross isn't the greatest reporter around. His report on Obama and Rev. Wright was clearly biased. People who don't like President Obama will grasp at any straw to smear him. Trying to pin every radical thing Wright said on Obama is obviously wrong. Obama is a moderate centrist Democrat and a believer in racial harmony, not discord.

            Oly, why don't you tell us why you obviously hate President Obama so much. Give us your personal opinion and stand by it instead of continuing to cite biased and dubious sources.???

            1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
              OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I will try this, ONE MORE TIME.

              Number 1. He lies and can not be trusted.

              Number 2. NO U.S. President BOW down to anybody.

              Number 3. Too slow to take action when we need him.

              Number 4. Had 20 years of brainwashing by, Wright Leader.

              Number 5. Spends our money and does not care about YOU or I.

              Number 6. This Country was built on the backs of Big industry. Where are they today.

              Number 7. Color nor Race has no bearing on my opinion.

              Number 8. Will not help us, Seniors, Vets, Disabled Vets Of America.

              Number 9. Made The United States Of America a laughing stock of the world.

              And Number 10. What part of, NO doesn't he understand.

              Now is this good enough, or, do you people need more.

              OLY

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                "Number 7. Color nor Race has no bearing on my opinion."
                I wonder??? If not yours plenty of others. Surely you've seen some of the racist pictures of President Obama.

                "Number 1. He lies and can not be trusted."

                For example?

                "Number 2. NO U.S. President BOW down to anybody."

                This shows a real instinct for the jugular!

                "Number 4. Had 20 years of brainwashing by, Wright Leader."

                As I pointed out above this is nothing but a smear.

                "Number 5. Spends our money and does not care about YOU or I."

                What do you base this on?

                "Number 6. This Country was built on the backs of Big industry. Where are they today."

                In China thanks to WalMart and the unalloyed dogma of free trade.

                "Number 8. Will not help us, Seniors, Vets, Disabled Vets Of America."

                The Republicans are the ones who want to kill Medicare and turn Social Security over to the Wall Street banksters.

                "Number 9. Made The United States Of America a laughing stock of the world."

                Obama has gone a long way to repair the reputation of the US in other countries around the world from the damage done by George Bush.

                You are living in a dream world having been fed facts by Limbaugh, Hannity, Wall Street and the Kochsuckers.

                1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                  OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  If you don't know how to run a train, get the heck out of the engine

                  OLY

                  1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You think the reptilian humanoid, Paul Ryan, knows how to run a train? Or Michelle Bachman, or Sarah Palin or any of the GOP 7 dwarf candidates? Give the country a break.

                    1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                      OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Again, I say. Let's see who is left standing, then, take you pick.

                      OLY

                  2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                    Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    HOW IN THE FLAMING HELL DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR RESPONSE DID ANY JUSTIFICATION TO RALPH'S ARGUMENTS?!

                    1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
                      OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                      Simple, I am not in a argument. Besides, Ralph is trying to get me to make a comment on the up and coming Election. It is to early.

                      Are you talking for Ralph, now. God, I hope not.

                      I thought that answer was fine.

                      When I mentioned our Younger Generation not having any respect, I was referring to, Respect for there elders, of witch I see, you lack.

                      OLY

      2. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        John McCain was born in the Panama canal zone, not the USA.

    7. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      Best thing i think for those who dislike Obama to do is let him fail and vote in 2012
        Here in the USA we don't oust leaders  willy nilly like you see everywhere else these days.  And also  if so many think they can do a better job then by all means step up to the plate.  Are you electable?

    8. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago

      Don't you know John in America we claim we have free speech, we can believe anything we want to, but when it comes to someone else obviously they don't have the same rules applied! Of course that would mean someone is wrong, but know one likes to admit there wrong, me personally I rather know I am wrong and admit, than make someone else wrong, because of course I know their absolutely right even they are totally wrong. So I will be the wrong one always just so they can be right always! lol

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        who said anybody doesn't have free speech? you guys like to change the subject when you have nothing of value to say. Please show in detail were it was said anybody didn't have freedom of speech? thanks

        1. John Holden profile image60
          John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          So it wasn't you demanding that I answered not the post that I'd chosen to answer but the post you thought I should have answered!

          1. DannyMaio profile image59
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If your going to reply to something, don't you think you should answer the original question not only ask another question from a second part of the reply? and how does that mean I'm trying to take away freedom of speech? your twisting is amazing!

    9. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      Speech aint free it costs many their reputation and  some their teeth .

      1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
        HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly aware: If you say anything you sure to get your teeth knocked out, cause they of course like argue about anything you have to say, and yes they will even blatantly kill you if they don't like what you have to say. lol But again we have free speech as long as you go along with the crowd! lol

    10. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      Its a non issue  hes the prez . Wine glass is overflowing . i mean dang.

    11. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      the crowd is the variable . white guy     ranting the N word in Watts isn't freedom of speech its inciting a riot.

    12. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago

      Yeap it is exactly aware! From what I gather in all these cultural wars, they will start a riot at some point, harm people over their beliefs, values, and opinions just to prove they are all right!

      1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
        HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I don't think anyone here wants to have facts Danny! They seem to point out an argument no matter what you say! Its more important to be right ! The fact is that everyone is programmed to believe what they do depending on the geographical location they live in. They are influenced by what ever they are reading, or watching on the news. All beliefs are not your own but someone elses, because someone along the line influenced your beliefs and opinions. You may form some of your own, but at the same time still they were influenced by someone.  Depending on what you have researched you produce valid points, but even research, surveys, etc are still debatable. So no matter what evidence is put in front of you it is debatable and open for argument. Countless books are written on various subjects, they to have a bias opinion. Your media is biased on what news channel you follow. You are conditioned and programmed no matter what information goes into your head.  Your own community is even more conservative or liberal. People believe what their societys as a group deem acceptable. Others go along with it for the ride, because if you sway differently you are an outcast. In milligrams experiments it even proved that people will follow others even if they end up killing someone. That is my point you are heavily influenced by what the government, media, and society programs you to believe. When it comes down to it, you will never admit what you really believe if someone threatened you. You would go along with the crowd to save your life.

        1. DannyMaio profile image59
          DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          i THINK YOUR RIGHT, BUT I ALWAYS VOTED DEMOCRAT BECAUSE i TRULY BELIEVED THEY WERE FOR THE POOR AND THE REPUBLICANS WERE FOR THE RICH AND i GREW UP POOR. BUT AFTER REALLY DOING SOME RESEARCH I HAVE TOTALLY CHANGED MY MIND. i DON'T REALLY LIKE EVERYTHING THE REPUBLICANS SAY EITHER BUT IN MY HONEST OPINION THEY HAVE IT MUCH MORE CORRECT THEN THE SOCIALISTS. i HATE TO SAY DEMOCRATS BECAUSE i'M ONE AND NOT SOCIALIST. i MEAN SERIOUSLY IF YOU LOOK $HIT UP IT WILL SERIOUSLY BLOW YOUR MIND. OH AND iT STARTED BECAUSE i KNEW THE DEMOCRATS AND MEDIA LIED ON SOMETHING TO DO WITH BANKING. WHICH i KNEW WAS A BLATANT LIE

          1. John Holden profile image60
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Now the question is, is Danny shouting or has he just got the caps lock on?

            1. DannyMaio profile image59
              DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Sorry but if you actually looked and seen the i's were lower case, after I sent it I realized I did have the caps lock on.

    13. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      earth needs a leader   .  so if your from mars you cant run

      1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
        HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Ha ha yes we do need a leader! The only thing is there were some great leaders and bad ones through out history. Finding a good one is another story, not that easy, and most of the time we are limited in our choices. When it comes to voting, I don't usually have a good choice because they usually are not the person I would select for a leader in the first place, but they are the options they give us!

    14. aware profile image70
      awareposted 5 years ago

      oly dang

    15. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago

      Well you know oly they have selective hearing! Or in this case they have to right!  I understand what you're saying I hear from my friends all over the globe. They think America is a joke!

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I will say one thing for ME.

        When I light a fire, it's a dandy.

        America has lost it's backbone. Since somebody brought up BUSH, did any of you ever watch how he walked.

        He walked with pride, respect.

        Now, next time you see Obama walk, take note. He walks like a wet noodle.

        common sence is, out the window.

        The younger Generation of today, no respect.

        OLY

        1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
          HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Seems so Oly you get these people arguing pretty good!  You sure no how to light a fire if I may say so! lol It's a funny thing how you should mention that about Bush, we had to watch how goverment leaders walked and body language in my presentation class, and it was quite interesting the way they walk together, enter doorways wanting to be the first one in because it demonstrates more power. Fortunately we discussed how European leaders seem stronger in their body language than Americans.

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Body language says, a lot about a person.

            OLY

    16. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

      http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTus-uBN3afa9y7H54u5wrgfgN6FX3aZkhVaEXy4FehA0tz8_Jr&amp;t=1

    17. lovemychris profile image79
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

      "America has lost it's backbone. Since somebody brought up BUSH, did any of you ever watch how he walked."

      Like he had a stick up his a$$.

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        the hate in your heart is so bad! you need Jesus badly and I'm not even really religious. Got I feel bad for you. It can't be that bad LMC.

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Awwwww, whassa matter Danny?
          Did I insult your hero? Your messiah?

          Oly asked, and I told him!

          King George, the Rump-a-Dump.

          Cheerleader du-jour, what a man!

          heheheheheheh, anyone see those weapons? heheheheheh

          Was Bush born here? I read plenty that his family is Nazi.

          Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi, what a nice way to lead the American dialogue.

          OH--Trump! "Not the brightest bulb on the planet"..Oh, such a man for president!!!
          Insulter-In-Chief!

          1. DannyMaio profile image59
            DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You are delusional LMC, you know I hate Bush! I did the same as I'm doing now! I know his family is shady. You just put whatever is in your head about what you think and after writing thousands of times Bush was horrible and I wanted him out and I voted for Kerry the second term and Iraq was wrong. Then you try and spew BS? are you losing your mind? Just because you have nothing with substance to stay you shouldn't spread lies! Like I said you really must be miserable to be like that. stop watching MSNBC and NPR and Huffington post, move on, the tides foundation equality for America etc... they are messing with your head.

            1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
              HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I can back that up Danny about media after studying social problems in social psychology right now where they have done some intensive research on the matter even politcal media, being very biased one way or the other. No offense  LMC but do expand your horizons!

              1. DannyMaio profile image59
                DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                thank you hattie! If I'm wrong please let me know also! whats fair is fair!

                Watch George stephanopolis on good morning America interview repubs and dems! that will get you an A+ in your class! he asked a question one time and excepts any answer they give and they probably knew what the questions are. then watch him ask and demand the same question from the right 5-8 times. it is actually hilarious.

                1. HattieMattieMae profile image69
                  HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Well thank you Danny I will have to watch that! I'm just happy as much as I have paid for these two text books this term for Social Problems/Social Psychology that I am getting the proper education as many people do demonstrate what their research has conveyed. All though someone earlier announced they aren't being influenced or programmed they are. lol Sorry to say!

                  1. DannyMaio profile image59
                    DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    As long as your reading and watching you will know exactly whats going on! Glad to hear you are into learning and the truth! I'm certain with your drive you will be extremely successful! how old are you and where do you live?

              2. lovemychris profile image79
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Errr, I don't read Huffpo, listen to NPR--except for Diane Reim, don't know Tides foundation.
                I watch MSNBC..because I like real talk, not propaganda.

                I will be honest with you...I CANNOT listen to right-wing crazy. It is an insult to my mind. This is no joke. I am OFFENDED by it. It is insane, designed to brain-wash.

                Now, why don't YOU read Think Progress, Mother Jones, or Veterans Today?
                Think YOU all can break away from Fox and World Net Daily?

    18. TheSenior profile image60
      TheSeniorposted 5 years ago

      I was born in Los Angeles Ca in 1947 and I have a copy of my birth cert for Social Security purposes.  If you were listening to Trump as to what a birth cert contains mine has all that info that his has.

      the number at the top of mine is either the next #'d form in line to be used by the attending MD OR it's that I was that number of baby to be born in LA on the date I was born and time I was born.

      Obama's has none of this info that he has released to the public.  If indeed he has one - then as Trump has said just produce it for all the world to see.  It's that simple.

      1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
        OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        From one Senior to another, I was born in 1942. Same Place Same State. I also have mine and you are right on the money.

        Just what is with this guy in our White House???????????????

        OLY

      2. HattieMattieMae profile image69
        HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well that is the thing The Senior, being the president of the United States you can probably produce any document you want to for the public. How do we know that it is legit? No on can get a hold of our birth certificates they are protected. Fortunately if you have enough money and power you can get anyone to reproduce false identifications, as well as birth certificates. It will always be a mystery. I doubt they are going to let each one of us look at it, or investigate it to determine whether it is real or fraud.

        1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          May 17, Hattie. The pot will boil over and the lid will fly off, I hope.

          OLY

          1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
            OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I am waiting for, Mighty Mom to get back on. Maybe she will have some interesting things to tell us.

            OLY

    19. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago

      It does! Even international relations class they discussed how presidents  come out in body language, how they present themselves in their arguments, whether they were hostile, or peaceful. We don't really pay attention to all those factors, but when you watch it through out history no matter what country you can tell the difference in the way the messages is conveyed! Even reading the documents between presidents how they handled themselves in handling the situations of wars and crisis.

    20. HattieMattieMae profile image69
      HattieMattieMaeposted 5 years ago

      I am 40 and Michigan! I went back to college for the second time! Yes I do research a lot of things. I beleive the more knowledge you have the more personal power you have.  I do challenge myself to learn as much as I can.
      Always have been that way!

      1. DannyMaio profile image59
        DannyMaioposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        WOW good for you! I'm 45 live in NY. To me that shows your true character! You are so right! You made my day by telling me about you taking classes. Never stop!

        1. OLYHOOCH profile image60
          OLYHOOCHposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Gee, I only have 111/2 years of Public Schooling. had to quit and go to work. In 1960 my Dad hit the magic number, 65. Got his pink slip from The Supreme Courts Of California. He was a Shorthand Court Reporter.

          I got a lucky break and fell into IBM on the ground floor in 1961.

          Been a student of The School Of Hard Knocks ever since, and will never graduate.

          I went from $50.00 a month to $50.00 a week. Big money in those day's.

          OLY

      2. lovemychris profile image79
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        What is your theory on 9/11?

    21. Mighty Mom profile image89
      Mighty Momposted 5 years ago

      Well, it's official. The "birther" movement is sooooo yesterday.
      Although Donald Trump will never, ever admit he was wrong (even in the face of Anderson Cooper!), he has moved off the birth certificate issue and is now focusing on Obama's high school records.
      Stay tuned for more news from the "schoolers" movement. lol

      The man is making himself sound like a moron. I know he is not. But why in the heck is he doing this? Any publicity is good publicity?

      However Obama was able to transfer from Occidental College to Columbia is between him and Columbia. Even if he was accepted into Harvard Law School on some kind of affirmative action deal (which is what Trump is strongly implying), you don't become editor of the law review unless you've got the legal chops for it.

      More smoke blowing up the media's butts. That's what I see when I see Trump. My respect for him is taking a nosedive with these witch hunts! (like he cares, I know smile)

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        C.J. Wrightposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Do you believe that the amount of money a candidate can raise can influence their chances at winning the Presidency?

      2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
        Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        QUIT TALKING ABOUT SOME JERK'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!

        WE'RE ENTRENCHED IN 4 UNDECLARED WARS!!!

        1. lovemychris profile image79
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Hold on to your hat Evan..I heard Jane Harmon say Iran today...Iran Iran is a threat!!

          NEXT!

          Ohhhhhhh, bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran. errr,just one question....WHY?

     
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