This fascinates me. The bungler in chief has changes his story a few times about Bin Laden's well deserved death. One might think they could just watch the videos from the assault team along with the helicopter-mounted cameras, develop a timeline, create some PowerPoint slides and tell the people the truth.
Here is my opinion. Special operators do not murder unarmed men. Bin Laden, we have been told, was unarmed. Why would SEALs kill him instead of capturing him and disappearing once again into the darkness? Why give up such a wonderful coup?
Unless it is a lie.
The boy president may not be an habitual liar like President Clinton (one of his friends described Clinton as an unusually good liar). But he is working on it. So what really happened? Did Bin Laden's bodyguards kill Bin Laden so he would not be captured alive? I think so.
Should we ask Donald Trump to put pressure on the boy president to get him to release the videos that rightly belong to the American people? He got a faked long-form birth certificate, that many describe as obviously faked. So why not some faked videos?
The President is not a liar and the Navy S.E.A.L.S. did what they were trained do. Osama Bin Laden made the threatening move and Navy S.E.A.L.S. reacted to the situation as they were trained to do. They don't take chances.
That's the way I see it. There was no possible reason (legal, moral, ethical or political) not to kill that creature; if he so much as blinked it would be enough reason to go ahead a pull the trigger.
In the long run it is safer for the SEALS as well as the rest of the world that he was disposed of ASAP.
Or not. SEALs are not murderers. Bin Laden was unarmed. Killing an unarmed man is murder. He was a far better prize captured alive. So what is being hidden by the boy president and his bungling administration?
Is it likely that the camcorders would show a bin Laden killed by his bodyguards? If we saw the photos would it be obvious he was killed by a close up shot to the chest and head instead of the story we were told of a head shot from across the room?
"He was a far better prize captured alive"
No, he wasn't. Putting him on trial would have been a huge headache, and given what Osama's group has done in the past there's about a 100% chance there would have been numerous kidnappings, bombings, and hijackings during his time in captivity.
The mission was capture or kill, but everyone knew Osama wouldn't be found waving a white flag. The Navy Seals were prepared to shoot to kill if he made any move that wasn't a clear indication of surrender, and they did. What if he had a bomb strapped to his body? Why should some of our best-trained men risk their lives trying to take this piece of scum alive?
Who said to put him on trial? Certainly not me. I think the very best option was to capture him plus as many of the others in the compound, get all the documents, computers and comms gear then destroy the compound. Then have bin Laden disappear into one of the CIA prisons out there in the dark somewhere. And don't say a thing about it. Ever.
Then apply harsh interrogation techniques (that would include water boarding) to exploit him.
But never, ever admit that he had been captured. There would be no response. None other than bewilderment as we rolled up as much of Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan as possible.
Great. Then why, in your opinion, would the very best of the best kill an unarmed bin Laden instead of taking the far better prize of a live bin Laden?
I think he was killed by his bodyguards and the cam videos and the still pictures would show it. So is the boy president a liar?
I'm not sure if I understand the point of doing all that. Osama Bin Laden was basically just the symbolic head of al Qaeda at this point, unable to communicate quickly with the rest of the group without having to work through couriers. From a strategic standpoint, he was irrelevant. Even the video and audio tapes were of questionable authenticity. Torture him all you want, I don't think Osama was close enough to everyday operations to have any useful information beyond what was confiscated from his compound.
Making Osama disappear in a secret prison would have been a pointless exercise, and if word ever leaked that the United States was holding him the retaliation would have cost American lives. Let's face it, we're not terribly good at keeping secrets.
Actually, it is the other way around. From a tactical standpoint he was irrelevant. He was not, as they say, calling the shots. But did he know where the money was coming from? Did he know what operations terrorists were being trained and prepared for? Did he know the names and locations of his top lieutenants in various parts of the world? Could he have told us how many terrorists are coming across the Mexican-US border and where their preferred routes are? Could he help determine the connections between Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda? Could he identify how Iran is helping? His knowledge, in addition to his role as the leader of Al Qaeda is what made Bin Laden a high value target.
So once again, why kill him? He was unarmed and no match for the SEALs. So either his bodyguards killed him, and the pictures would show the that the Obama Administration lied, or the boy president wasted a very precious opportunity and he is neither bold, gutsy, or even particularly adept.
No one said he was. One does not grab the president to find out what operations a company commander will carry out the next day. But one does capture a bin Laden to discover the very important, big picture.
You must stop living in fear. Everything we do or fail to do will cost American lives. So act with boldness. It is the way to win.
chill...what obama did was one of boldest step any president took ever...he couldn't have done better...secondly operational judgements are not for presidents to take...seal took the call and killed...they knew best what to do...
Hmmm. The we have a quandary. Some of your fellow posters have said this was a kill mission, plain and simple. So was it? Or wasn't it?
In your home life would you use a very expensive, very precious painting to kill a mouse? If the main point was to kill bin Laden why not just drop a few precision-guided munitions on that compound? Why expose a top secret, stealthy helicopter and the very best of the very best just to kill bin Laden? It does not make sense to me. So there is more to this story.
We will find out. Donald Trump will begin to demand the photos and the bold, gutsy, boy president will cave. It is what he does. And then we will know a bit more about what happened and maybe even why it happened.
no, it was not kill mission ,it was capture or kill mission as said by white house and cia...he was unarmed is what they say but he resisted and seals reacted in way they thought , they should...i think instead of politicizing the issue , trump must concede that obama did a great job and should feel proud of seals and usa president...yes questions should be asked and answers should be given but from context of no politics...
Don't be silly!
Precision guided missiles with facial recognition and an abort facility if he isn't there!
Perhaps the most important result of the action was the information gathered on the raid--computers and other records and clues to Bin Laden's organization and contacts around the world. Killing Bin Laden with a drone missile wouldn't have allowed recovery of information.
And would most likely have pee'd off the Pakistani authorities no end.
I doubt it. They would have simply bind up their bruised ego's with the 3 Billion we send them......kinda like they are doing now.
I think this is the BIGGEST news in all of this. You can't buy loyalty. Pakistan simply illustrates that US foriegn Policy regarding that entire region is wrong headed.
Yep, if nothing else was achieved, that was worth the raid.
We agree. Given that bin Laden was alive and unarmed wouldn't he have been the greatest prize from the raid? Do you see how this begins to unravel once people begin thinking about it?
But bringing bin Laden back alive would have...
"But bringing bin Laden back alive would have..."
Completely disagree. OBL was the ultimate insurgent warrior. He was trained by the best and embraced that training. He improved on that training and created a ciriculum to train others. There is NOTHING we could have gained from him in regards to intel. Unless he saw benefit in giving it to us.
I see your point. We had to potentially compromise a top secret technology just to make sure that bin Laden was there. Got it. Dumb. Very dumb. But I understand your point.
screw freedom and putting people on trials!
All of that "being given a fair trial" stuff is for hippies!
In this case, I think it was well established that Osama bin Laden was not subject to the laws of the American justice system. When the previous president said that Osama was wanted "dead or alive", that gave a clear indication he could be taken down in nearly any situation without consequences. As an enemy combatant, if he was doing anything other than surrendering during this raid there would be no reason not to shoot him.
I have to agree with melpor on this one. Him being unarmed might have been known after the fact. A gesture might have triggered the reaction to pop off a couple of rounds. Just like the guy reaching for his sangwich in Casino.
So you don't actually believe that the assault force was the best of the best? Perhaps they just happened to be in the neighborhood with their camcorders and dropped in (using stealth helicopters) just to shoot up the place?
Of course I believe they are the best of the best. That is why I know they don't take chances. They train methodically, and if something doesn't fit into the plan, they react. They don't second guess, they get it right the first time. They had actionable INTEL, went in, and knocked it out of the park.
The person who allowed 911 was Bush. So when you criticize the "boy president" as you call him, you are not getting to the heart of the matter. Bush is so ashamed he can't go to ground zero and when he was president he only participated in one 911 survivor reunion.
If Bin Laden was unarmed it seems like an execution. But many say he was no longer alive. So the saga will never be solved, most likely.
The boy President I can understand not trusting Obama but the boy President that sounds like Tea party racsim. Just like the world has been freed of Bin Laden wish a few navy seals could rid us of the racist pigs who make such remarks. And for the record I am not a fan of Obama but I also hate racsim even if it is as American as Apple pie.
From the promo on the book, "SEAL Team Six Memoirs of an Elite Navy SEAL Sniper"
by Howard E. Wasdin and Stephen Templin
"Less than half a year after sniper school, he was fighting for his life. The mission: capture or kill Somalian warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. From rooftops, helicopters and alleys, Wasdin hunted Aidid and killed his men whenever possible."
I read an exerpt from the book. The author described adjusting the sights of his sniper rifle for a range of 200 to 500 yards. That's two to five football fields in distance. Perhaps you think they only kill targets who also carry guns that also have telescope night-vision.
Seals are trained to commit murder. They are ethical in the selection of their targets.
The thing that confound me is that the OP is from someone who claims 20 years service in military intelligence. Either he's a liar, or he did 20 years without discovering reality.
War is murder. War is not about a fair fight. If the fight is fair, you're doing something wrong. The whole idea is to get the advantage for your side so you kill more of them than they kill of your guys.
I am not saying Sn53Anon is a liar. But there is something fishy about this post, when you compare it to other claims.
Different time. Different mission. This was an assault team. These were not snipers although they were possibly supported by snipers. This team was sent in to gain a high value target. If SEALs were in the room with an unarmed bin Laden, why kill him? Wouldn't the far better option be to pull him and make him disappear into the black prisons, never to be seen from again?
Well, no. SEALs are not trained to commit murder. They are trained to be resourceful, resilient, and to think. They are honorable men. They are not murderers.
Perhaps. I had many wonderful opportunities over much of my career. Some parts were boring. And some were exciting. Show me my lies? Or show me something other than your dim view of reality.
This was an assault force taking great risks to get bin Laden. If he was unarmed and alive why not grab him? Why risk top secret technology of the only purpose was to kill bin Laden?
I believe it is because his own bodyguards killed him. Pictures would show the powder burns and other abrasions that occur when a weapon is discharged close to the target. And releasing the cam videos and photos would show that the boy president is a liar and a fraud.
Racists often refer to adult black males as boys. It's an absolutely disgusting tactic.
LOL. Perhaps racists do. But so do people who are accurate in their assessment of the worst president in a century. He is a boy, whether you think it is racist or not, because he never grew up.
And yes, just for the record, only leftists believe it is racist. But then, by and large many leftists are racist.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably a duck.
...altho I don't believe in "karma," I kinda hope that "bin laden" had his eyes open and was looking down the barrel of the "piece" that killed him when the Navy Seal "popped-a-cap" into his murderous head!
No it was not murder.
Murder is the unlawful killing of someone.
Bin laden, according to the laws of "karma," got his come-uppins" for the almost 3000 innocents he "murdered" at the 9/11 event and for the other murders Alqaida carried out in his name while praising his imagined god: allah!!
Call me "barbaric," if ya'd like, but I'd like to have been the one that "popped-the-cap!"
But, hey, I'm the one who thinks American executions should be televised while enjoying a tailgate party at my place.
Does anyone in this thread honestly think that they will ever know the truth??
Actually, special forces are trained to kill and not hesitate to do it. You are just looking for something to criticize because it's galling to you that Obama took a calculated and daring risk to capture or kill Bin Laden and succeeded.
You are so transparent, I can see your green and yellow innards.
Well, yes. And no. If bin Laden was unarmed why kill him at all? Why not whisk him away, the top prize in this month's war on terror? And then don't tell anyone anything? Why not clean out the place, round up all the civilians, take them out of the compound, then destroy the compound completely? And allow the mystery to deepen about just what exactly did happen?
Unless the official tale is a lie, poorly told and oft revised.
I heard several times today about how "gutsy" and "bold" the boy president was. Of course the breathless reporter failed to mention that the boy president needed his milk and cookies, plus 16 hours to sleep on it before making his bold and gutsy decision.
Put down your tea cup and see this for what it was - a military action. Do you really care whether this was a "legal" killing? I sure as hell do not. If Bin Laden had cut himself shaving and bled to death, he would still be dead and would have, in the process, rendered humanity a "solid."
love your ability to say it like it really is.
That was not my point. My point is that this was not a kill mission as we were originally told. This was an assault force intended to get in quietly, catch bin Laden, capture others, grab documents, computers and communications equipment, then blow the place up and have bin Laden disappear into the black prisons.
Why were we told several conflicting stories? Is the boy president a liar? Perhaps.
Either way it is fun to discuss.
I cannot see any reason not to kill him. Alive, he presents some danger no matter where he is kept. If kept in secret and no one knows he is alive it gains us nothing. If the world knows he is alive the terrorists will not stop trying to regain him, costing us money and, perhaps, more lives.
I do not believe that the assault was "intended to ... catch bin Laden...". It was to remove bin Laden, whether by death or capture didn't matter. Collection of information was secondary and desirable, but did not have nearly the priority of removing bin Laden.
Perhaps you are not bold enough in your thinking. This was the once powerful head of Al Qaeda. He might have know a great deal we could have exploited if we had him. Keeping him in secret gains us everything. We would have had a superb resource with insider knowledge, even if dated, and no one would know we had him. Some might think we had him. Many would think he died in the destruction of the compound. And most would not ever know anything.
We would have had the benefit of surprise as we rolled up much of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We would have gained plenty.
Had it occurred as I portrayed it and as it must have been planned then no one would have know we had him. Ever. He would have been like D.B. Cooper.
Then why risk the compromise of very expensive, top secret technology to do what a 2,000 pound bomb could have effectively done?
Good point. If we are willing to keep him strictly isolated some "creative interrogation" would probably yield results.
We would probably have to announce his death very convincingly or the Taliban would immediately discard all of bin Laden's plans, move from where they are, etc. We could lose a great deal of value if there were not overwhelming evidence he was dead.
My argument is to not say a thing. Do not confirm the nature of the attack. Let people think we struck the compound with a 2,000 pound bomb. We need not announce anything. Let the people wonder and ten let them believe as they choose to believe. In the face of uncertainty most people will do nothing.
Powerful? Nah. The only time they showed real power was on 911 with US help: http://killtown.911review.org/ This site will help anyone serious about finding out what happened.
Yes, he took his time to weigh all of his options and make a good call. After all, it seems Bin Laden had been there for years, so there was almost no risk in taking his time. Brains over brawn. Calculation over impulsiveness. Admirable, isn't it?
But so hard for you to swallow. We understand.
You know, I'm always a little suspicious of people who start things in the forum on controversial topics who have no or just one hub. Especially people who use terminology like "the boy president."
Aw. And based on your picture you are such a pretty woman. Elitist in a very goofy way. But pretty, nonetheless.
That kind of flattery won't get you anywhere and sounds suspiciously like a person who comes from a society where women aren't allowed to have an opinion.
It was not flattery. Pretty on the outside. Elitist on the inside. And elitist over something of no consequence. Who cares whether or not I have hubs? All of the women in my life are attractive and strong. But not foolishly elitist.
You are describing someone else as being goofy?
Elitism over the number of one's hubs is pretty goofy.
Arouses suspicion when I see it time after time in the forums that the people who are making the most inflammatory arguments are not regular writers here, has nothing to do with number of hubs elitism and everything to do with people who hang around as if they are trying to get a feel for American sentiment. Just sayin'...
I see. In two weeks I have 417 posts and one hub. How are you doing?
You absolutely didn't even understand what I said...shocking
You seem to consider yourself an expert on goofiness. Vast experience in the field, I suppose!
In this regard, I believe I am like the Supreme Court discussing pornography. I know it when I see it.
And now you compare yourself to Supreme Court Justices! Stop it, you're killing me!
How Do You Explain This Then?
Were these not given out by the CIA as part of the Secret Witness Program For Political Snitches and Rats?
Semi interesting ,except for the boy president comment.
Former old fart, or current boy president?
Not a hard choice for me
But hey even though I live in the USA-I am not American,therefore I respectfully refrain from further comment.
I agree. That's how you can tell which accounts are the dummy accounts and which ones are the real ones. I sometimes wonder why people open up dummy accounts to post about controversial crap like this, as it just kind of makes the owner of said dummy account look like a wimp for not being man enough to post under their REAL account name.
During the time period leading up to the American Revolution everyone who had significant arguments did so anonymously.
In addition to this life I have significant other responsibilities. I would never compromise those for the sake of a few minute's enjoyment here. So I shall remain anonymous.
Your right, but it's only those that did have the guts to put out their real names in the line of being scrutinized are often the ones that go on to make the most impact. You think everyone liked what Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr said back in the day? Do you honestly think slave owners in the south liked what Lincoln was preaching about the abolishment of slavery? No, but they said it anyways, and they all risked their very reputations fighting for what they believed in. Same thing with other great world leaders. Another anonymous guy b****ing over the internet? Sorry, I doubt people will follow you, as guys like you a dime dozen online. I apologize if you're offended by that, but that's just reality.
I am not offended.
People will read what I write because I write well. Or because I argue my points with clarity. Others will count my hubs...and claim that I am lacking because in my two weeks here I have less than 500 posts and just one hub. It makes me smile at just how shallow many of you are here.
But I am not offended.
Of course you aren't offended. You obviously aren't aware of how much like an internet troll you appear to be on these forums. Or are you? Writing well will earn you more respect than your posts here, I assure you.
Thank you for your well intended advice. I shall consider it.
Shallow? Your calling most of the users here shallow? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, as I seem to recall you're the only person here using a obvious racist statement like "boy" to refer to a African American president. Like you, I too have some disagreements with O'Bama, but I would NEVER refer to him in the same manner that you are obviously doing. Plus, you have yet to show one shred of creditable evidence to prove he's a liar; outside of your own conspiracy theories and biased opinions. May I ask you to present some hard concrete evidence for us if you wish to prove your case?
So if he had 75 picture Hubs of attractive woman that would make his statements more credible?
It really doesn't matter what president did what to whom. Unfortunately, much of what happens is permitted by the American people who are too caught up in the daily job of surviving to pay attention before it's too late. Frankly, I don't care for Obama any more than I cared for Bush. There have been enough historical documents released, for intelligent human beings to understand that none of it has happened because of party affiliation. Every decision a man or woman makes will find its foundation in the character of the decision maker. The American government is corrupt and has been for better than the last 60 years.
Personally, I believe that if Bin Laden is truly dead, then he has been dead for some time, and we were permitted to believe he was still be hunted because it served a purpose...that of maintaining a US presence in the Middle East. I'm simply not able to buy into the story that he was immediately dumped into the ocean.
As for Americans cheering and being jubilant over his alleged death...I remember American outrage that the barbarian Muslim crowds were celebrating in the streets over 9/11. How are we any better if we reduce ourselves to that level? What does that say about the hypocrisy of America?
This wasn't all Americans, so it's incorrect to say "the hypocrisy of Americans." Yes, some people celebrated openly. I, however, did not, nor did anyone I know.
I wasn't implying that ALL Americans did so, but many did. I happened to see stuff all over the social sites...it was unbelievable, some of the things written. And some of what I've overheard in while shopping, etc. It only takes a few to be caught and broadcast and they end up being our representative to the watching world, whether we agree or not.
I agree and it's disgusting. There is hypocrisy everywhere, we don't have the market cornered on that one!
Even if I disagree with you I am very glad you are here participating. Thank you.
Exactly what don't you agree with? That every decision a man or woman makes will find its foundation in the character of the decision maker? or that Americans were celebrating? or that the world watches? or ...?
I stated that I don't care for Obama any more than I did for his predecessor. That's a fact. It's also a fact that I don't trust the whole rotten lot of them. Too much lying and misinformation over the years. It'll take a lot more than them just saying something, for me to believe them.
I would be willing to guess those "20 years in the Army" were not the U.S. Army nor Canadian...nor Australian...nor any country who might be considered an ally of the United States.
What was your MOS? Where did you do your basic training?
Your question makes no sense. He was a commissioned officer.
Sorry, all I saw was US Army 20 years.
Ahhhh but how do we know he really was/is an Officer?
...even if we see his pic....would it be his.?..just sayin
No disrespect meant.
LOL. Is the boy president a liar or did the Navy SEALs murder bin Laden?
You are either ignorant as to racial slurs or a racist instead, which is it?
This should tell one something about the "intelligence" officers in the army, at least under Dubya's admin!
...but NOT elitist over something as goofy as the number of one's hubs.
Perhaps it's because you have only one. But that's okay, you think you are doing okay, I suppose! Intelligence officer, huh? Let me guess, you were in charge of finding the WMDs?
For some people having hubs equals success. I have taken a different path.
Yes. Army from 1975-1995. Intelligence for roughly 17 of those years. Signals, imagery, human.
And just for fun nuclear weapons retargeting...
Cmon now man, that means nOthing here. You only have a 1 on your Hubs, so you not know nuthing stuffs. Everything you say is a lie until you increase that score.
Not really, he could just be some dude wasting time on the internet, like others of his ilk!
Yes because us low Hub count folk not know nutin Like you hy Hub count people.
He could also be a purple alien from a distant planet. Let's hear all of your conspiracy theories.
I'm not disagreeing with your own assessment!
LOL. I published one hub just so I could meet the minimum requirement. Now you say I need another?
I have five more I have started. I will publish them when they are ready.
Unnaceptable, if you were really a former Army officer you would have known better.
I see yourv'e upset the locals .
Politics and Religion always push buttons on any forum.
I don't think the amount of hubs published has anything to do with a persons right to an opinion, and if it has Ive used up my allocation
Hey joe lunchbox over there wrote 300 Hubs -so?
Nah, people get over it ,its a forum
My concern is more to do with all the young soldiers returning home in bodybags...
Part of a letter written to his Grandma from a soldier (now deceased) who was on his 2nd tour wrote:
'Gran, this place is like a great big bowl (Afganhistan) we are on the bottom, and all the bad guys are at the top'
Ok so,my question is this,
With all their(USA) intelligence and logistics and statistics ,why oh why is this still happening.
Yes, for some having hubs is a success. For others, success is using racist remarks about our president instead of sticking to the complaints some have about him. I knew you were from the south before I checked out your profile. No psychic ability required for that one!
The more Hubs you have, the more you know.
I think you've proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt!
Obviously, that's why you're the resident genius, and I am still a padawan.
You bring out the worst and the best in America If Obama is a boy you are a baby with your nazi thumb up your A....
Let me guess. You are a leftist.
Some people just don't think in your narrow, racist terms. But most people on the left do.
He is the boy president because he never had to grow up. So he never did.
Don't worry, no matter how much you explain your statement, they'll continue to tell you what you meant.
How would you know how most on the left think, crackerhead? And by the way, "crackerhead" was meant as a southern affectionate term!
Dead is dead. If it makes you happy to believe his bodyguards are big heroes, knock yourself out.
Well I believe all Politicians to have selective memories ,that being said doesnt change the fact Osama was a wanted man.
I trust President Obama in this instance.
But I understand the question.
35DG. Tactical Intelligence/strategic signals intelligence. Muddy boots and well, not so muddy boots.
I was sure you did. I just found it ironic coming from the person questioning your credibility.
Richard C. Paddock San Francisco Correspondent SAN FRANCISCO (March 15)
"--A Palm Springs bank employee who posed as a highly decorated Marine lieutenant colonel at his high school reunion was sentenced today to a year of probation and ordered to undergo mental health counseling...
Burton, 39, who wore a full-dress uniform with a prestigious Navy Cross, a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star to his school reunion in Martinez, was unmasked by a former classmate who was a Navy commander and became suspicious when she saw his stunning array of medals.
Burton never served in the military but bought uniforms and at least 15 medals online and at military stores. He pleaded guilty in December to one misdemeanor count for the unauthorized wearing of a military medal."
http://www.extremesealexperience.com/13 … _AOL_News.
I find it hard to believe that a commissioned officer with 20 years service including military intelligence thinks Navy Seals are big Boy Scouts.
There is nothing in my post to suggest I believe that.
But I was an intelligence officer. I know a dead source does not provide as much intelligence as a live one. I understand that a mature president would go for the prize and not say anything.
But this is not a mature president.
As a former Marine I use other less flattering terms. However, because I am a Marine I’ve earned it. Anyone else should call them by names of nothing but respect and be damn thankful they exist in a world you couldn’t survive in for ten minutes without them.
Alas, the best medal I ever got was a joint services meritorious service medal (with one, or was it two, oak leaf clusters?) I got the usual number of "been there medals". No big deal. I couldn't even tell you where they are.
The awards I am most proud of you would have never heard of. One gold and two silver Independent Research and Development awards and the President's Award for Technical Innovation. Those hang on my wall.
This post is pretty tasteless. Do you ntend to follow up, or just continue to spread smear propoganda?
Yes. He has never matured into a man. He is narrow, petulant, and spoiled.
Sure, sure, that's what you meant.
You must be thinking of yourself. Unless of course you are Lady Love...
Not everyone can attain your particular level of maturity!
I think psychologists call this projection, as defined by Wikipedea..
"a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings."
According to the CIA leader, they wanted bin Ladin dead...no other choice. Putting him on trial and keeping him alive would have endangered and probably killed many more people.
You think Bush would have done it any differently? Of course, if this was Bush who had found bin Ladin you would be dancing in the street and saying it was the right thing.
"According to the CIA leader, they wanted bin Ladin dead...no other choice. Putting him on trial and keeping him alive would have endangered and probably killed many more people."
I agree. The Obama Admin has been torn in what to do with the GTMO fiasco. There is NO way they would have wanted to add to that. There is not a doubt in my mind that OBL is dead because that is what was supposed to happen.
Okay I’m going to bite on this one, and bite hard.
Lately I have refrained from becoming evolved in ‘political’ discussions here (mostly because of all the tripe) and many here well know my views are decidedly Pro-Military, Constitutionally Conservative and assuredly anti-Obama. And for clarification not the man, but his political agenda.
In this case I’m not quite sure concealing the mission documentation is the correct decision, I am actually more inclined to support releasing it. And for two reasons; one as absolute proof of the action and the resulting death of conspiracy theories and two; and most certainly more important, the un-equivocating fact of American resolve (though many of you have lost it), regardless of and beyond that of any political agenda.
For this action, until PROVED a falsehood, (which I sincerely doubt) I salute President Obama for continuing and applying the American Resolve as demonstrated by millions of Americans throughout our history and reaffirmed by President Bush and our modern Military.
Any claims of murder or illegality aimed at the military units involved in this mission are clearly prejudiced by agenda and nothing more than politically motivated opinion (to use the word loosely).
In the case of this particular perpetrator of terrorism, capture was not an option that could be excercised as a viable solution, simply put this man was less of a problem free than in prison. Dead was the only choice for the President, and the only possible order, based on the actionable intelligence, that could be given to the Military.
The Military follows orders. You can debate the order if you choose, but the debate is for naught, most of those from the liberal POV can’t figure out what to do with other “high value” captives. What type of Global circus would there have been with this animal?
Execution was the only option and the only order.
Very well said.
Reading this makes me feel like I've been watching two pre-pubescent school girls arguing and fighting.
Only Oama Knows WHY !
The man, BIN LADEN was unarmed and defenseless, so why was he shot not once but twice? It sounds like an execution and like something our enemies would do.
Who gave the order to kill him instead of capturing him and reading him his Miranda rights.
Obama needs to come clean and tell the American people the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Why did Eric Holder make statements that everything was done accordingly to the law, are they hiding something?
Wake up America to what the Obama administration is all about, another HOLLYWOOD production?
IT'S something to think about, ERIC HOLDER making statements that everything done was accordingly to the law. was it the laws of war or the laws of the United States Government.
Either way, murder is wrong and killing a prisoner of war is wrong.
Whoever gave the order to kill should be exposed and put on trial, not by a civilian court but by a military council.
In one way justice was served, Bin Laden is dead, hopefully at the bottom of the sea.
The Obama administration is responsible for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth for at least once.
"The Obama administration is responsible for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth for at least once."
Why? Dubya never was!
You seem to be answering a question no one asked with your initial response of “only Obama knows why.”
I certainly did not ask a question. I thought I made my statement quite clear.
The mission order seemed to be quite clear as well, KILL OSAMA. There is no “sounds like execution” about it, a simple double tap and it’s over, no worldwide media circus, or demonstrations, riots, no martyrdom just dead, gone and life goes on.
A capture order would have been ridiculous and even more dangerous for the world.
And Miranda Rights only apply to American citizens. It is also not a rule of law but a process of law under the rights to fair trial. This man needed no trial, he was a self confessed and self aggrandized murderer of tens of thousands of innocents.
And we gave him what he wanted. He wanted to be in the presence of ALLAH so we simply arranged the meeting.
Is the boy president a liar or did the Navy SEALS murder Bin Laden?
Boy President? Grow Up!
A liar? Osama bin Laden was wanted "dead or alive". Made no difference how the task was accomplished.
Did the Navy SEALS murder Osama bin Laden? Nope. Refer to the "dead or alive". Makes no difference whether or not he was armed or unarmed.
Cagsil, Take a deep breath. Then read what I posted. Finally, respond. It is a tried and true method.
It was a Kill mission, period
They Seals did their job well and by the book.
It makes me laugh. I know exactly what some people here would have said if Bush were president when this happened. You really should be honest to yourselves.
And that does not include you Evan
Typical hyperconservative response on Hubpages after whistleblower Bradley Manning was arrested for leaking info to Wikileaks: "This man is a traitor. He should be shot, point-blank, in the back of the head. No trial necessary"
Typical hyperconservative response on Hubpages following the killing of Osama bin Laden: "What happened to innocent until proven guilty? The man responsible for ordering this murder of an unarmed man should be put on trial."
Desperation is a stinky cologne. Are there any conservative voices on here (Evan is always the exception) who make clear and sensible points anymore?
I’m very sure my voice is very clear and directly to the point.
To your first example Bradley Manning, the man is a traitor.
To your second “the Bin Laden execution” was well warranted and in essence the only option.
I’m not sure anyone Conservative or Liberal, without political motive, would or could disagree.
To your distaste of continual flip-flopping for political gain I’m pretty sure we are all tired of it.
for the record, I make fun of conservatives as much as I do liberals.
Special operators do not murder unarmed men.???????
you know whom you are talking about?. It was Osama bin laden and dont forget navy seals was operating on another country. They acted as they felt is need of that moment and no president can lie on Osama bin laden kind of infamous figure. It would be historical blunder to do that.
Osama Bin Laden didn't need to have a weapon; it's called exigent circumstances, it's not the same thing as law enforcement adhering to civil rights of a suspect, it's Maritime War Laws & Bin Laden was America's #1 most wanted the Seals had full discretion when they came in contact, and pretty much that means (Shoot First Ask Questions Later). I would be more concerned about protecting our Seals identity and pulling up videos of the riots across America as complete morons in this country party over a madman's death. I would be more concerned about retaliation with Americans everwhere not seeing the bigger picture here...I do understand conspiritist theories, but I'm sick & tired of hearing those that voted Barack Obama in as our president bickering about the job he's doing, I myself didn't vote for him the first time because I knew he couldn't be trusted, not surprised at all about the job he's done or the credit he wants to take for our Seals in this, and I'm not surprised that they are using the video like he is concerned about Adult Americans seeing the content of Osama's death video total crap!
well any president would look for credit when some one like osama gets killed but atleast obama was kind enough to not take full credit and give bush his due...secondly role of president is obviously were important in such missions...one cannot operate without president's order and it was bold decision to order operation in another country...he promised and he delivered...we must give credit when it is due...
They won't need the seals to get trump. They will use a little used and untrained force, the guppies!
The thing I find most telling about all of these conspiracy theories is that not one suggest that the "FAKE" photos released are actually real. That theory actually would support the OP's description of Obama as "The bungler in chief". Further the OP suggest that someone other than a US Military member actually killed OBL. That's also very telling. It leads me to believe that there is merit to the comments of some of my liberal friends(PP) here who believe the OP simply can't accept Obama as the Commander in Chief. Especially if he has actually made a good decision, one that has resulted in desireable results.
I think Osama Bin Laden was involved in bombings and 911, but this will explain the involvement of our own dastardly leaders: http://killtown.911review.org/
Why do you think that? He is a bungler because he could not get his story straight. He has said no photos would be released. So why would anyone believe the fake photos are real?
Another difficult, thorny, issue. On the one hand the US just spent a magic bullet (stealthy helicopter technology) and used a precious resource (a SEAL team) to kill an unarmed bin Laden. So I begin to question. Why wouldn't a highly trained SEAL Team capture an unarmed bin Laden? It would be the most astonishing coup. Did bin Laden die from a headshot from across the room or from a close up shot administered by his bodyguard? A picture could show us. A small bullet hole tells me he was shot from across the room. Shredded bone and flesh might tell me he was shot close up. A picture would seal the deal.
How does the President Benefit by lying about the details of HOW he was killed? That doesn't add up. He ordered the op. It was a success based on the criteria set(capture/kill).
How could they have known he was unarmed prior to the raid? You seem to imply that somehow they did. There are lots of things we don't know. Like how many people were in the room at the time. How many exits to that room. Things like that make a difference. There were two options, Capture, Kill. An unarmed bad guy is not neccesarily excluded from deadly force. There is more to it than that.
Obama has changed his mind and released the gruesome poster.. which is also being utilized as a campaign poster for the next Presidential election..
Everyone order a round of Bin Laden at the bar tonight for Cinco De Mayo. Two shots and a water.
I can't believe the childlike response of many here, For one, the entire operation against OBL needs no justification of Law. especially civilian law! The US. like England ,like Pakistan or any nation in the world can essentially do anything it wants and can get away with , when it comes to the war against terrorism , Or for that matter any act. The war of terrorism is niether over nor greatly affected by his death. 9/1/1 could very well be a small fish in a huge pond in this protracted war! There will be new and pssibly greater fish to fry in these battles.
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