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Is the boy president a liar or did the Navy SEALS murder Bin Laden?

  1. sn53Anon profile image60
    sn53Anonposted 6 years ago

    This fascinates me. The bungler in chief has changes his story a few times about Bin Laden's well deserved death. One might think they could just watch the videos from the assault team along with the helicopter-mounted cameras, develop a timeline, create some PowerPoint slides and tell the people the truth.

    Here is my opinion. Special operators do not murder unarmed men. Bin Laden, we have been told, was unarmed. Why would SEALs kill him instead of capturing him and disappearing once again into the darkness? Why give up such a wonderful coup?

    Unless it is a lie.

    The boy president may not be an habitual liar like President Clinton (one of his friends described Clinton as an unusually good liar). But he is working on it. So what really happened? Did Bin Laden's bodyguards kill Bin Laden so he would not be captured alive? I think so.

    Should we ask Donald Trump to put pressure on the boy president to get him to release the videos that rightly belong to the American people? He got a faked long-form birth certificate, that many describe as obviously faked. So why not some faked videos?

    1. melpor profile image88
      melporposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The President is not a liar and the Navy S.E.A.L.S. did what they were trained do. Osama Bin Laden made the threatening move and Navy S.E.A.L.S. reacted to the situation as they were trained to do. They don't take chances.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's the way I see it.  There was no possible reason (legal, moral, ethical or political) not to kill that creature; if he so much as blinked it would be enough reason to go ahead a pull the trigger.

        In the long run it is safer for the SEALS as well as the rest of the world that he was disposed of ASAP.

        1. John Holden profile image60
          John Holdenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference to world safety.

          1. DTR0005 profile image85
            DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Probably not John, but see it as a morale boost for a very demoralized nation.

      2. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Or not. SEALs are not murderers. Bin Laden was unarmed. Killing an unarmed man is murder. He was a far better prize captured alive. So what is being hidden by the boy president and his bungling administration?

        Is it likely that the camcorders would show a bin Laden killed by his bodyguards? If we saw the photos would it be obvious he was killed by a close up shot to the chest and head instead of the story we were told of a head shot from across the room?

        1. I am DB Cooper profile image70
          I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "He was a far better prize captured alive"

          No, he wasn't. Putting him on trial would have been a huge headache, and given what Osama's group has done in the past there's about a 100% chance there would have been numerous kidnappings, bombings, and hijackings during his time in captivity.

          The mission was capture or kill, but everyone knew Osama wouldn't be found waving a white flag. The Navy Seals were prepared to shoot to kill if he made any move that wasn't a clear indication of surrender, and they did. What if he had a bomb strapped to his body? Why should some of our best-trained men risk their lives trying to take this piece of scum alive?

          1. sn53Anon profile image60
            sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Who said to put him on trial? Certainly not me. I think the very best option was to capture him plus as many of the others in the compound, get all the documents, computers and comms gear then destroy the compound. Then have bin Laden disappear into one of the CIA prisons out there in the dark somewhere. And don't say a thing about it. Ever.
            Then apply harsh interrogation techniques (that would include water boarding) to exploit him.

            But never, ever admit that he had been captured. There would be no response. None other than bewilderment as we rolled up as much of Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan as possible.


            Great. Then why, in your opinion, would the very best of the best kill an unarmed bin Laden instead of taking the far better prize of a live bin Laden?

            I think he was killed by his bodyguards and the cam videos and the still pictures would show it. So is the boy president a liar?

            1. I am DB Cooper profile image70
              I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not sure if I understand the point of doing all that. Osama Bin Laden was basically just the symbolic head of al Qaeda at this point, unable to communicate quickly with the rest of the group without having to work through couriers. From a strategic standpoint, he was irrelevant. Even the video and audio tapes were of questionable authenticity. Torture him all you want, I don't think Osama was close enough to everyday operations to have any useful information beyond what was confiscated from his compound.

              Making Osama disappear in a secret prison would have been a pointless exercise, and if word ever leaked that the United States was holding him the retaliation would have cost American lives. Let's face it, we're not terribly good at keeping secrets.

              1. sn53Anon profile image60
                sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Actually, it is the other way around. From a tactical standpoint he was irrelevant. He was not, as they say, calling the shots. But did he know where the money was coming from? Did he know what operations terrorists were being trained and prepared for? Did he know the names and locations of his top lieutenants in various parts of the world? Could he have told us how many terrorists are coming across the Mexican-US border and where their preferred routes are? Could he help determine the connections between Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda? Could he identify how Iran is helping? His knowledge, in addition to his role as the leader of Al Qaeda is what made Bin Laden a high value target.

                So once again, why kill him? He was unarmed and no match for the SEALs. So either his bodyguards killed him, and the pictures would show the that the Obama Administration lied, or the boy president wasted a very precious opportunity and he is neither bold, gutsy, or even particularly adept. 

                No one said he was. One does not grab the president to find out what operations a company commander will carry out the next day. But one does capture a bin Laden to discover the very important, big picture.

                You must stop living in fear. Everything we do or fail to do will cost American lives. So act with boldness. It is the way to win.

                1. pisean282311 profile image58
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  chill...what obama did was one of boldest step any president took ever...he couldn't have done better...secondly operational judgements are not for presidents to take...seal took the call and killed...they knew best what to do...

                  1. sn53Anon profile image60
                    sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Hmmm. The we have a quandary. Some of your fellow posters have said this was a kill mission, plain and simple. So was it? Or wasn't it?
                    In your home life would you use a very expensive, very precious painting to kill a mouse? If the main point was to kill bin Laden why not just drop a few precision-guided munitions on that compound? Why expose a top secret, stealthy helicopter and the very best of the very best just to kill bin Laden? It does not make sense to me. So there is more to this story.

                    We will find out. Donald Trump will begin to demand the photos and the bold, gutsy, boy president will cave. It is what he does. And then we will know a bit more about what happened and maybe even why it happened.

          2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
            Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            screw freedom and putting people on trials!

            All of that "being given a fair trial" stuff is for hippies!

            1. I am DB Cooper profile image70
              I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              In this case, I think it was well established that Osama bin Laden was not subject to the laws of the American justice system. When the previous president said that Osama was wanted "dead or alive", that gave a clear indication he could be taken down in nearly any situation without consequences. As an enemy combatant, if he was doing anything other than surrendering during this raid there would be no reason not to shoot him.

              1. Evan G Rogers profile image82
                Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Thanks for clearing that up: our president is King.

                Bin laden was not armed, nor was he using anyone as a human shield.

                I hope the president never wants the US people "dead or alive".

      3. ediggity profile image59
        ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have to agree with melpor on this one.  Him being unarmed might have been known after the fact.  A gesture might have triggered the reaction to pop off a couple of rounds.  Just like the guy reaching for his sangwich in Casino.  smile

        1. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So you don't actually believe that the assault force was the best of the best? Perhaps they just happened to be in the neighborhood with their camcorders and dropped in (using stealth helicopters) just to shoot up the place?

          1. ediggity profile image59
            ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Of course I believe they are the best of the best.  That is why I know they don't take chances.  They train methodically, and if something doesn't fit into the plan, they react.  They don't second guess, they get it right the first time.  They had actionable INTEL, went in, and knocked it out of the park. smile

    2. bgamall profile image86
      bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The person who allowed 911 was Bush. So when you criticize the "boy president" as you call him, you are not getting to the heart of the matter. Bush is so ashamed he can't go to ground zero and when he was president he only participated in one 911 survivor reunion.

      If Bin Laden was unarmed it seems like an execution. But many say he was no longer alive. So the saga will never be solved, most likely.

    3. Williamjordan profile image60
      Williamjordanposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The boy President I can understand not trusting Obama but the boy President that sounds like Tea party racsim. Just like the world has been freed of Bin Laden wish a few navy seals could rid us of the racist pigs who make such remarks. And for the record I am not a fan of Obama but I also hate racsim even if it is as American as Apple pie.

    4. Doug Hughes profile image61
      Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      From the promo on the book, "SEAL Team Six Memoirs of an Elite Navy SEAL Sniper" 
      by Howard E. Wasdin and Stephen Templin

      "Less than half a year after sniper school, he was fighting for his life. The mission: capture or kill Somalian warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. From rooftops, helicopters and alleys, Wasdin hunted Aidid and killed his men whenever possible."

      I read an exerpt from the book. The author described adjusting the sights of his sniper rifle for a range of 200 to 500 yards. That's two to five football fields in distance. Perhaps you think they only kill targets who also carry guns that also have telescope night-vision.

      Seals are trained to commit murder. They are ethical in the selection of their targets.

      The thing that confound me is that the OP is from someone who claims 20 years service in military intelligence.  Either he's a liar, or he did 20 years without discovering reality.

      War is murder. War is not about a fair fight. If the fight is fair, you're doing something wrong. The whole idea is to get the advantage for your side so you kill more of them than they kill of your guys.

      I am not saying Sn53Anon is a liar. But there is something fishy about this post, when you compare it to other claims.

      1. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Different time. Different mission. This was an assault team. These were not snipers although they were possibly supported by snipers. This team was sent in to gain a high value target. If SEALs were in the room with an unarmed bin Laden, why kill him? Wouldn't the far better option be to pull him and make him disappear into the black prisons, never to be seen from again?

        Well, no. SEALs are not trained to commit murder. They are trained to be resourceful, resilient, and to think. They are honorable men. They are not murderers.

        Perhaps. I had many wonderful opportunities over much of my career. Some parts were boring. And some were exciting. Show me my lies? Or show me something other than your dim view of reality.

        This was an assault force taking great risks to get bin Laden. If he was unarmed and alive why not grab him? Why risk top secret technology of the only purpose was to kill bin Laden?

        I believe it is because his own bodyguards killed him. Pictures would show the powder burns and other abrasions that occur when a weapon is discharged close to the target. And releasing the cam videos and photos would show that the boy president is a liar and a fraud.

        1. Doug Hughes profile image61
          Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The last paragraph is you making stuff up. Not a shread of evidence to support it.

          1. bgamall profile image86
            bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            According to the Seals, they thought Bin Laden was armed as he reached for something. Who knows.

    5. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Racists often refer to adult black males as boys.  It's an absolutely disgusting tactic.

      1. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        LOL. Perhaps racists do. But so do people who are accurate in their assessment of the worst president in a century. He is a boy, whether you think it is racist or not, because he never grew up.

        And yes, just for the record, only leftists believe it is racist. But then, by and large many leftists are racist.

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
          DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, anyone with an ounce of decency know it's a racial slur.  And I agree with Ron.

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image72
        Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably a duck.

    6. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...altho I don't believe in "karma," I kinda hope that "bin laden" had his eyes open and was looking down the barrel of the "piece" that killed him when the Navy Seal "popped-a-cap" into his murderous head!

      No it was not murder.

      Murder is the unlawful killing of someone.

      Bin laden, according to the laws of "karma," got his come-uppins" for the almost 3000 innocents he "murdered" at the 9/11 event and for the other murders Alqaida carried out in his name while praising his imagined god: allah!!

      Call me "barbaric," if ya'd like, but I'd like to have been the one that "popped-the-cap!"

      But, hey, I'm the one who thinks American executions should be televised while enjoying a tailgate party at my place. smile

      Qwark

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          CAgs;
          Wink, wink....smile:
          Qwark

    7. CaravanHolidays profile image61
      CaravanHolidaysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Does anyone in this thread honestly think that they will ever know the truth??

      1. ediggity profile image59
        ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes. lol

  2. PrettyPanther profile image86
    PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

    Actually, special forces are trained to kill and not hesitate to do it.  You are just looking for something to criticize because it's galling to you that Obama took a calculated and daring risk to capture or kill Bin Laden and succeeded.

    You are so transparent, I can see your green and yellow innards.

    1. sn53Anon profile image60
      sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Well, yes. And no. If bin Laden was unarmed why kill him at all? Why not whisk him away, the top prize in this month's war on terror? And then don't tell anyone anything? Why not clean out the place, round up all the civilians, take them out of the compound, then destroy the compound completely? And allow the mystery to deepen about just what exactly did happen?

      Unless the official tale is a lie, poorly told and oft revised.

      I heard several times today about how "gutsy" and "bold" the boy president was. Of course the breathless reporter failed to mention that the boy president needed his milk and cookies, plus 16 hours to sleep on it before making his bold and gutsy decision.



      LOL.

      1. DTR0005 profile image85
        DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Put down your tea cup and see this for what it was - a military action. Do you really care whether this was a "legal" killing? I sure as hell do not. If Bin Laden had cut himself shaving and bled to death, he would still be dead and would have, in the process, rendered humanity a "solid."

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol love your ability to say it like it really is.

        2. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That was not my point. My point is that this was not a kill mission as we were originally told. This was an assault force intended to get in quietly, catch bin Laden, capture others, grab documents, computers and communications equipment, then blow the place up and have bin Laden disappear into the black prisons.

          Why were we told several conflicting stories? Is the boy president a liar? Perhaps.

          Either way it is fun to discuss.

          1. DTR0005 profile image85
            DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            yeah - loads of fun.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I cannot see any reason not to kill him.  Alive, he presents some danger no matter where he is kept.  If kept in secret and no one knows he is alive it gains us nothing.  If the world knows he is alive the terrorists will not stop trying to regain him, costing us money and, perhaps, more lives.

        I do not believe that the assault was "intended to ... catch bin Laden...".  It was to remove bin Laden, whether by death or capture didn't matter.  Collection of information was secondary and desirable, but did not have nearly the priority of removing bin Laden.

        1. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Perhaps you are not bold enough in your thinking. This was the once powerful head of Al Qaeda. He might have know a great deal we could have exploited if we had him. Keeping him in secret gains us everything. We would have had a superb resource with insider knowledge, even if dated, and no one would know we had him. Some might think we had him. Many would think he died in the destruction of the compound. And most would not ever know anything.

          We would have had the benefit of surprise as we rolled up much of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. We would have gained plenty.

          Had it occurred as I portrayed it and as it must have been planned then no one would have know we had him. Ever. He would have been like D.B. Cooper.


          Then why risk the compromise of very expensive, top secret technology to do what a 2,000 pound bomb could have effectively done?

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Good point.  If we are willing to keep him strictly isolated some "creative interrogation" would probably yield results.

            We would probably have to announce his death very convincingly or the Taliban would immediately discard all of bin Laden's plans, move from where they are, etc.  We could lose a great deal of value if there were not overwhelming evidence he was dead.

            1. sn53Anon profile image60
              sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              My argument is to not say a thing. Do not confirm the nature of the attack. Let people think we struck the compound with a 2,000 pound bomb. We need not announce anything. Let the people wonder and ten let them believe as they choose to believe. In the face of uncertainty most people will do nothing.

          2. bgamall profile image86
            bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Powerful? Nah. The only time they showed real power was on 911 with US help: http://killtown.911review.org/ This site will help anyone serious about finding out what happened.

      3. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, he took his time to weigh all of his options and make a good call.  After all, it seems Bin Laden had been there for years, so there was almost no risk in taking his time.  Brains over brawn.  Calculation over impulsiveness.  Admirable, isn't it?

        But so hard for you to swallow.  We understand.

        1. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It is admirable. But it is not bold and gutsy. It is timid and cautious. But let us wait a bit longer for this to play out. I suspect that this was bungled and now the bungling is being covered up. So let's just see how this goes.

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image72
      Ralph Deedsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ha! Well said.

  3. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago

    You know, I'm always a little suspicious of people who start things in the forum on controversial topics who have no or just one hub.  Especially people who use terminology like "the boy president."  smile

    1. sn53Anon profile image60
      sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Aw. And based on your picture you are such a pretty woman. Elitist in a very goofy way. But pretty, nonetheless.

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That kind of flattery won't get you anywhere and sounds suspiciously like a person who comes from a society where women aren't allowed to have an opinion.

        1. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It was not flattery. Pretty on the outside. Elitist on the inside. And elitist over something of no consequence. Who cares whether or not I have hubs? All of the women in my life are attractive and strong. But not foolishly elitist.

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I was being facetious...look it up.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You are describing someone else as being goofy?  lol lol lol

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
          DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          THANK YOU!

        2. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Elitism over the number of one's hubs is pretty goofy.

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Arouses suspicion when I see it time after time in the forums that the people who are making the most inflammatory arguments are not regular writers here, has nothing to do with number of hubs elitism and everything to do with people who hang around as if they are trying to get a feel for American sentiment.  Just sayin'...

            1. sn53Anon profile image60
              sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I see. In two weeks I have 417 posts and one hub. How are you doing?

              1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You absolutely didn't even understand what I said...shocking

                1. sn53Anon profile image60
                  sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL. You are a piece of work. Certainly you can discern from my, oh, 400 or so posts, what I believe. And you can tell that this is not a drive by posting. So I was taking you to task for you shallowness.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You seem to consider yourself an expert on goofiness.  Vast experience in the field, I suppose!  lol

            1. sn53Anon profile image60
              sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              In this regard, I believe I am like the Supreme Court discussing pornography. I know it when I see it.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And now you compare yourself to Supreme Court Justices!  lol  Stop it, you're killing me!  roll

              2. Pearldiver profile image86
                Pearldiverposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                How Do You Explain This Then? hmm

                http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5009913_f248.jpg


                Were these not given out by the CIA as part of the Secret Witness Program For Political Snitches and Rats? sad

      3. Eaglekiwi profile image74
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        lol

        Semi interesting ,except for the boy president comment.
        Former old fart, or current boy president?

        Not a hard choice for me lol

        But hey even though I live in the USA-I am not American,therefore I respectfully refrain from further comment.

        1. sn53Anon profile image60
          sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I understand. I am 58. I am not as lean as I once was.
          Please join in. Everyone does.

    2. Stevennix2001 profile image83
      Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree. That's how you can tell which accounts are the dummy accounts and which ones are the real ones.  I sometimes wonder why people open up dummy accounts to post about controversial crap like this, as it just kind of makes the owner of said dummy account look like a wimp for not being man enough to post under their REAL account name. wink

      1. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        During the time period leading up to the American Revolution everyone who had significant arguments did so anonymously.

        In addition to this life I have significant other responsibilities. I would never compromise those for the sake of a few minute's enjoyment here. So I shall remain anonymous.

        1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
          Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your right, but it's only those that did have the guts to put out their real names in the line of being scrutinized are often the ones that go on to make the most impact.  You think everyone liked what Ghandi or Martin Luther King Jr said back in the day?  Do you honestly think slave owners in the south liked what Lincoln was preaching about the abolishment of slavery?  No, but they said it anyways, and they all risked their very reputations fighting for what they believed in.  Same thing with other great world leaders.  Another anonymous guy b****ing over the internet?  Sorry, I doubt people will follow you, as guys like you a dime dozen online.  I apologize if you're offended by that, but that's just reality.

          1. sn53Anon profile image60
            sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I am not offended.
            People will read what I write because I write well. Or because I argue my points with clarity. Others will count my hubs...and claim that I am lacking because in my two weeks here I have less than 500 posts and just one hub. It makes me smile at just how shallow many of you are here.
            But I am not offended.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Of course you aren't offended.  You obviously aren't aware of how much like an internet troll you appear to be on these forums.  Or are you?  Writing well will earn you more respect than your posts here, I assure you.

              1. sn53Anon profile image60
                sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you for your well intended advice. I shall consider it.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You are completely free to voice your opinions here and I'm not trying to prevent you from doing so.  Just trying to let you know why merely posting here gains you little credibility.  smile  I should know, I once had only 1 hub!  lol

            2. Stevennix2001 profile image83
              Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Shallow?  Your calling most of the users here shallow?  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, as I seem to recall you're the only person here using a obvious racist statement like "boy" to refer to a African American president.  Like you, I too have some disagreements with O'Bama, but I would NEVER refer to him in the same manner that you are obviously doing.  Plus, you have yet to show one shred of creditable evidence to prove he's a liar; outside of your own conspiracy theories and biased opinions.  May I ask you to present some hard concrete evidence for us if you wish to prove your case?

      2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Operative word is "dummy"

    3. ediggity profile image59
      ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      So if he had 75 picture Hubs of attractive woman that would make his statements more credible?  smile

    4. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ...But that one is awesome!!!

  4. melpor profile image88
    melporposted 6 years ago

    I agree DIYweddingplanner.

    1. Terri Meredith profile image90
      Terri Meredithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      It really doesn't matter what president did what to whom.  Unfortunately, much of what happens is permitted by the American people who are too caught up in the daily job of surviving to pay attention before it's too late.  Frankly, I don't care for Obama any more than I cared for Bush.  There have been enough historical documents released, for intelligent human beings to understand that none of it has happened because of party affiliation.  Every decision a man or woman makes will find its foundation in the character of the decision maker.  The American government is corrupt and has been for better than the last 60 years.

      Personally, I believe that if Bin Laden is truly dead, then he has been dead for some time, and we were permitted to believe he was still be hunted because it served a purpose...that of maintaining a US presence in the Middle East.  I'm simply not able to buy into the story that he was immediately dumped into the ocean.

      As for Americans cheering and being jubilant over his alleged death...I remember American outrage that the barbarian Muslim crowds were celebrating in the streets over 9/11.  How are we any better if we reduce ourselves to that level?  What does that say about the hypocrisy of America?

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This wasn't all Americans, so it's incorrect to say "the hypocrisy of Americans."  Yes, some people celebrated openly.  I, however, did not, nor did anyone I know.

        1. Terri Meredith profile image90
          Terri Meredithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I wasn't implying that ALL Americans did so, but many did.  I happened to see stuff all over the social sites...it was unbelievable, some of the things written.  And some of what I've overheard in while shopping, etc.  It only takes a few to be caught and broadcast and they end up being our representative to the watching world, whether we agree or not.

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I agree and it's disgusting.  There is hypocrisy everywhere, we don't have the market cornered on that one! smile

            1. sn53Anon profile image60
              sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Even if I disagree with you I am very glad you are here participating. Thank you.

              1. Terri Meredith profile image90
                Terri Meredithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Exactly what don't you agree with?  That every decision a man or woman makes will find its foundation in the character of the decision maker?  or that Americans were celebrating? or that the world watches? or ...? 

                I stated that I don't care for Obama any more than I did for his predecessor.  That's a fact.  It's also a fact that I don't trust the whole rotten lot of them.  Too much lying and misinformation over the years.  It'll take a lot more than them just saying something, for me to believe them.

  5. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago

    I would be willing to guess those "20 years in the Army" were not the U.S. Army nor Canadian...nor Australian...nor any country who might be considered an ally of the United States.

    1. sn53Anon profile image60
      sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      U.S. Army. 20 years.

      1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
        DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        What was your MOS?  Where did you do your basic training?

        1. ediggity profile image59
          ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Your question makes no sense.  He was a commissioned officer. smile

          1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
            DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, all I saw was US Army 20 years.

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
              Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Ahhhh but how do we know he really was/is an Officer?
              ...even if we see his pic....would it be his.?..just sayin

              No disrespect meant. wink

              1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Could be photoshopped! smile

              2. sn53Anon profile image60
                sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                LOL. Is the boy president a liar or did the Navy SEALs murder bin Laden?

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  You are either ignorant as to racial slurs or a racist instead, which is it?

                  1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                    DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Racist and sexist

                  2. sn53Anon profile image60
                    sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Let me guess. You are a leftist.
                    Some people just don't think in your narrow, racist terms. But most people on the left do.
                    He is the boy president because he never had to grow up. So he never did.

                2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                  DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Dead is dead.  If it makes you happy to believe his bodyguards are big heroes, knock yourself out.

                3. Eaglekiwi profile image74
                  Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Well I believe all Politicians to have selective memories ,that being said doesnt change the fact Osama was a wanted man.

                  I trust President Obama in this instance.

                  1. sn53Anon profile image60
                    sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Trust. But verify. Show us the photos and the videos.

          2. sn53Anon profile image60
            sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            But I understand the question.

            35DG. Tactical Intelligence/strategic signals intelligence. Muddy boots and well, not so muddy boots.

            1. ediggity profile image59
              ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I was sure you did.  I just found it ironic coming from the person questioning your credibility. smile

              1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
                DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Did not catch the com, sue me, ediggity. smile

                1. ediggity profile image59
                  ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  No biggy. smile

            2. Doug Hughes profile image61
              Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Richard C. Paddock San Francisco Correspondent SAN FRANCISCO (March 15)

              "--A Palm Springs bank employee who posed as a highly decorated Marine lieutenant colonel at his high school reunion was sentenced today to a year of probation and ordered to undergo mental health counseling...

              Burton, 39, who wore a full-dress uniform with a prestigious Navy Cross, a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star to his school reunion in Martinez, was unmasked by a former classmate who was a Navy commander and became suspicious when she saw his stunning array of medals.

              Burton never served in the military but bought uniforms and at least 15 medals online and at military stores. He pleaded guilty in December to one misdemeanor count for the unauthorized wearing of a military medal."

              http://www.extremesealexperience.com/13 … _AOL_News.

              1. DTR0005 profile image85
                DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Subtle lolll

                1. Doug Hughes profile image61
                  Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I find it hard to believe that a commissioned officer with 20 years service including military intelligence thinks Navy Seals are big Boy Scouts.

                  1. sn53Anon profile image60
                    sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    There is nothing in my post to suggest I believe that.
                    But I was an intelligence officer. I know a dead source does not provide as much intelligence as a live one. I understand that a mature president would go for the prize and not say anything.

                    But this is not a mature president.

                  2. readytoescape profile image61
                    readytoescapeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    As a former Marine I use other less flattering terms. However, because I am a Marine I’ve earned it. Anyone else should call them by names of nothing but respect and be damn thankful they exist in a world you couldn’t survive in for ten minutes without them.

              2. sn53Anon profile image60
                sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Alas, the best medal I ever got was a joint services meritorious service medal (with one, or was it two, oak leaf clusters?) I got the usual number of "been there medals". No big deal. I couldn't even tell you where they are.

                The awards I am most proud of you would have never heard of. One gold and two silver Independent Research and Development awards and the President's Award for Technical Innovation. Those hang on my wall.

              3. ediggity profile image59
                ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                This post is pretty tasteless. Do you ntend to follow up, or just continue to spread smear propoganda? sad

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    BOY president?

    1. sn53Anon profile image60
      sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes. He has never matured into a man. He is narrow, petulant, and spoiled.

      1. Uninvited Writer profile image82
        Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sure, sure, that's what you meant.

        You must be thinking of yourself. Unless of course you are Lady Love...

      2. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Not everyone can attain your particular level of maturity!  smile

      3. Doug Hughes profile image61
        Doug Hughesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I think psychologists call this projection, as defined by Wikipedea..

        "a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings."

        1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
          DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          smile

  7. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    According to the CIA leader, they wanted bin Ladin dead...no other choice. Putting him on trial and keeping him alive would have endangered and probably killed many more people.

    You think Bush would have done it any differently? Of course, if this was Bush who had found bin Ladin you would be dancing in the street and saying it was the right thing.

    1. profile image60
      C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      "According to the CIA leader, they wanted bin Ladin dead...no other choice. Putting him on trial and keeping him alive would have endangered and probably killed many more people."

      I agree. The Obama Admin has been torn in what to do with the GTMO fiasco. There is NO way they would have wanted to add to that. There is not a doubt in my mind that OBL is dead because that is what was supposed to happen.

  8. readytoescape profile image61
    readytoescapeposted 6 years ago

    Okay I’m going to bite on this one, and bite hard.

    Lately I have refrained from becoming evolved in ‘political’ discussions here (mostly because of all the tripe) and many here well know my views are decidedly Pro-Military, Constitutionally Conservative and assuredly anti-Obama. And for clarification not the man, but his political agenda.

    In this case I’m not quite sure concealing the mission documentation is the correct decision, I am actually more inclined to support releasing it. And for two reasons; one as absolute proof of the action and the resulting death of conspiracy theories and two; and most certainly more important, the un-equivocating fact of American resolve (though many of you have lost it), regardless of and beyond that of any political agenda.

    For this action, until PROVED a falsehood, (which I sincerely doubt) I salute President Obama for continuing and applying the American Resolve as demonstrated by millions of Americans throughout our history and reaffirmed by President Bush and our modern Military.

    Any claims of murder or illegality aimed at the military units involved in this mission are clearly prejudiced by agenda and nothing more than politically motivated opinion (to use the word loosely).

    In the case of this particular perpetrator of terrorism, capture was not an option that could be excercised as a viable solution, simply put this man was less of a problem free than in prison. Dead was the only choice for the President, and the only possible order, based on the actionable intelligence, that could be given to the Military.

    The Military follows orders. You can debate the order if you choose, but the debate is for naught, most of those from the liberal POV can’t figure out what to do with other “high value” captives. What type of Global circus would there have been with this animal?

    Execution was the only option and the only order.

    1. DTR0005 profile image85
      DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      NICE COMMENT.

      1. readytoescape profile image61
        readytoescapeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you DTR

    2. Terri Meredith profile image90
      Terri Meredithposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Very well said.

      Reading this makes me feel like I've been watching two pre-pubescent school girls arguing and fighting.

      1. Zac Kenni profile image61
        Zac Kenniposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hahaha that's what I was also thinkin' thanks to this comment! big_smile

    3. JON EWALL profile image46
      JON EWALLposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      95readytoescape
      Only Oama Knows WHY !
      The man, BIN LADEN was unarmed and defenseless, so why was he shot not once but twice? It sounds like an execution and like something our enemies would do.
      Who gave the order to kill him instead of capturing him and reading him his Miranda rights.

      Obama needs to come clean and tell the American people the whole truth and nothing  but the truth.

      Why did Eric  Holder make statements that everything was done accordingly to the law, are they hiding something?

      Wake up America to what the Obama administration is all about, another  HOLLYWOOD production?
      IT'S something to think about, ERIC HOLDER making statements that everything done was accordingly to the law. was it the laws of war or the laws of the United States Government.

      Either way, murder is wrong and killing a prisoner of war is wrong.
      Whoever gave the order to kill should be exposed and put on trial, not by a civilian court but by a military council.
      In one way justice was served, Bin Laden is dead, hopefully at the bottom of the sea.

      The Obama administration is responsible for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth for at least once.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        "The Obama administration is responsible for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth for at least once."

        Why?  Dubya never was!  lol

      2. readytoescape profile image61
        readytoescapeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You seem to be answering a question no one asked with your initial response of “only Obama knows why.”

        I certainly did not ask a question. I thought I made my statement quite clear.

        The mission order seemed to be quite clear as well, KILL OSAMA. There is no “sounds like execution” about it, a simple double tap and it’s over, no worldwide media circus, or demonstrations, riots, no martyrdom just dead, gone and life goes on.

        A capture order would have been ridiculous and even more dangerous for the world.

        And Miranda Rights only apply to American citizens. It is also not a rule of law but a process of law under the rights to fair trial. This man needed no trial, he was a self confessed and self aggrandized murderer of tens of thousands of innocents.

        And we gave him what he wanted. He wanted to be in the presence of ALLAH so we simply arranged the meeting.

  9. Cagsil profile image59
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    Is the boy president a liar or did the Navy SEALS murder Bin Laden?

    Boy President? Grow Up!

    A liar? Osama bin Laden was wanted "dead or alive". Made no difference how the task was accomplished.

    Did the Navy SEALS murder Osama bin Laden? Nope. Refer to the "dead or alive". Makes no difference whether or not he was armed or unarmed.

    1. sn53Anon profile image60
      sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Cagsil, Take a deep breath. Then read what I posted. Finally, respond. It is a tried and true method.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Re-read your OP? I don't have to, because it's based on ignorance.

        FBI's Most Wanted- DEAD or ALIVE? It makes no difference. Got it? I hope so.

  10. agunter profile image61
    agunterposted 6 years ago

    ?

  11. dutchman1951 profile image61
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    It was a Kill mission, period
    They Seals did their job well and by the book.

    enough said

  12. Uninvited Writer profile image82
    Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago

    It makes me laugh. I know exactly what some people here would have said if Bush were president when this happened. You really should be honest to yourselves.

    And that does not include you Evan smile

    1. I am DB Cooper profile image70
      I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Typical hyperconservative response on Hubpages after whistleblower Bradley Manning was arrested for leaking info to Wikileaks: "This man is a traitor. He should be shot, point-blank, in the back of the head. No trial necessary"

      Typical hyperconservative response on Hubpages following the killing of Osama bin Laden: "What happened to innocent until proven guilty? The man responsible for ordering this murder of an unarmed man should be put on trial."

      Desperation is a stinky cologne. Are there any conservative voices on here (Evan is always the exception) who make clear and sensible points anymore?

      1. readytoescape profile image61
        readytoescapeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I’m very sure my voice is very clear and directly to the point.

        To your first example Bradley Manning, the man is a traitor.

        To your second “the Bin Laden execution” was well warranted and in essence the only option.

        I’m not sure anyone Conservative or Liberal, without political motive, would or could disagree.

        To your distaste of continual flip-flopping for political gain I’m pretty sure we are all tired of it.

      2. Evan G Rogers profile image82
        Evan G Rogersposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        for the record, I make fun of conservatives as much as I do liberals.

        smile

        1. DTR0005 profile image85
          DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Evan, you are definitely an equal opportunity offender and definitely not a hyprocrite.

  13. pisean282311 profile image58
    pisean282311posted 6 years ago

    Special operators do not murder unarmed men.???????

    you know whom you are talking about?. It was Osama bin laden and dont forget navy seals was operating on another country. They acted as they felt is need of that moment and no president can lie on Osama bin laden kind of infamous figure. It would be historical blunder to do that.

  14. smith3176 profile image79
    smith3176posted 6 years ago

    Osama Bin Laden didn't need to have a weapon; it's called exigent circumstances, it's not the same thing as law enforcement adhering to civil rights of a suspect, it's Maritime War Laws & Bin Laden was America's #1 most wanted the Seals had full discretion when they came in contact, and pretty much that means (Shoot First Ask Questions Later).  I would be more concerned about protecting our Seals identity and pulling up videos of the riots across America as complete morons in this country party over a madman's death.  I would be more concerned about retaliation with Americans everwhere not seeing the bigger picture here...I do understand conspiritist theories, but I'm sick & tired of hearing those that voted Barack Obama in as our president bickering about the job he's doing, I myself didn't vote for him the first time because I knew he couldn't be trusted, not surprised at all about the job he's done or the credit he wants to take for our Seals in this, and I'm not surprised that they are using the video like he is concerned about Adult Americans seeing the content of Osama's death video total crap!

    1. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      well any president would look for credit when some one like osama gets killed but atleast obama was kind enough to not take full credit and give bush his due...secondly role of president is obviously were important in such missions...one cannot operate without president's order and it was bold decision to order operation in another country...he promised and he delivered...we must give credit when it is due...

  15. Greek One profile image80
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    I hope the SEAL's next target is Trump

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image74
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Youre fired lol

    2. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Or at least his hair!

    3. bgamall profile image86
      bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      They won't need the seals to get trump. They will use a little used and untrained force, the guppies!

  16. profile image60
    C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago

    The thing I find most telling about all of these conspiracy theories is that not one suggest that the "FAKE" photos released are actually real. That theory actually would support the OP's description of Obama as "The bungler in chief". Further the OP suggest that someone other than a US Military member actually killed OBL. That's also very telling. It leads me to believe that there is merit to the comments of some of my liberal friends(PP) here who believe the OP simply can't accept Obama as the Commander in Chief. Especially if he has actually made a good decision, one that has resulted in desireable results.

    1. bgamall profile image86
      bgamallposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think Osama Bin Laden was involved in bombings and 911, but this will explain the involvement of our own dastardly leaders: http://killtown.911review.org/

    2. sn53Anon profile image60
      sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why do you think that? He is a bungler because he could not get his story straight. He has said no photos would be released. So why would anyone believe the fake photos are real?

      Another difficult, thorny, issue. On the one hand the US just spent a magic bullet (stealthy helicopter technology) and used a precious resource (a SEAL team) to kill an unarmed bin Laden. So I begin to question. Why wouldn't a highly trained SEAL Team capture an unarmed bin Laden? It would be the most astonishing coup. Did bin Laden die from a headshot from across the room or from a close up shot administered by his bodyguard? A picture could show us. A small bullet hole tells me he was shot from across the room. Shredded bone and flesh might tell me he was shot close up. A picture would seal the deal.

      1. profile image60
        C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How does the President Benefit by lying about the details of HOW he was killed? That doesn't add up. He ordered the op. It was a  success based on the criteria set(capture/kill).

      2. profile image60
        C.J. Wrightposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How could they have known he was unarmed prior to the raid? You seem to imply that somehow they did. There are lots of things we don't know. Like how many people were in the room at the time. How many exits to that room. Things like that make a difference. There were two options, Capture, Kill. An unarmed bad guy is not neccesarily excluded from deadly force. There is more to it than that.

  17. Greek One profile image80
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    Obama has changed his mind and released the gruesome poster.. which is also being utilized as a campaign poster for the next Presidential election..

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OJFoZSLJWF4/Tb9YLvniy9I/AAAAAAAAFLM/p9Yq8ODP9wY/s1600/obama+barack+usa+osama+bin+laden+dead+killed+navy+seals+motivational+posters.jpg

    1. DTR0005 profile image85
      DTR0005posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/5008389.jpg

      1. sn53Anon profile image60
        sn53Anonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Very nice! :-)

  18. ediggity profile image59
    ediggityposted 6 years ago

    Everyone order a round of Bin Laden at the bar tonight for Cinco De Mayo.  Two shots and a water. smile

  19. ahorseback profile image43
    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    I can't believe the childlike response of many here, For one, the entire operation against OBL needs no justification of Law. especially civilian law! The US. like England ,like Pakistan or any nation in the world can essentially do anything it wants and can get away with , when it comes to the war against terrorism , Or for that matter  any act. The war of terrorism is niether over nor greatly affected by his death. 9/1/1 could very well be a small fish in a huge pond in this protracted war! There will be new and pssibly greater fish to fry in these battles.

  20. Maembe profile image60
    Maembeposted 6 years ago

    Let the conspiracy theories begin!

    1. DIYweddingplanner profile image89
      DIYweddingplannerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Do those come about before or after the stouts and beers?

 
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