Ron Paul just came in 2nd place in the Iowa Ames Straw Poll. He was 152 votes behind Bachmann, despite it being her home state. The third place winner was Pawlenty with about half as many votes as either Paul or Bachmann.
So, now the question is "how will the media ignore him now?". The man won 2nd place (essentially first, if it were held in a different state) despite being the ONLY TRUE ANTI-WAR CANDIDATE in either parties. Despite being almost completely marginalized by the entire main stream media, he managed to get 2nd place.
Well, let's see how the media is ignoring him already!
The top google.news search of the event completely ignores the event altogether and simply talks about Perry.
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/13/30 … power.html
And another leading news search result's title is LITERALLY
"Michele Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll; Pawlenty 3rd"
... well, who won second, you jackasses?
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.s … a_str.html
IF you're curious why the Paul fans are so adamant and vehement in their support for Paul, it's for this reason: the man is completely ignored by the media at best, and marginalized at worst, yet millions of Americans want him to be president.
If you're curious why I'M always on the forums talking about Paul, IT'S BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE IS.
These news results prove that the media and government are in bed with one another -- Neither the big government types nor the lobbying companies want this man's message to spread.
IF you TRULY want to end Corporatism, then you NEED to vote for this man.
I've heard Ron Paul speak only a few times, because the press doesn't pay much attention to him. Some of things he said I really agreed with. Are you able to let us know what he does stand for and can he still run as an Independent if he loses the Republican nomination?
Ron Paul has a dedicated following of emotional dependents who pack the straw polls in Iowa because it is easy to do. He didn't win this time. He has won that straw poll before. He looking like a dithering feather head in the debate. Perhaps it is time for him to go away.
He has never won the Iowa Straw Poll, I don't know what you're talking about.
He got just as many Iowans to come out to the straw poll as Bachmann did (despite it being in her home state)....
.... yet you call them "dependents".
What do you call Bachmann voters? Or Obama voters?
Nice try, though.
"emotional dependents" not mere dependents. Liberals run the entire universes of dependency. We were all treated to images of Obama dependents fainting, claiming that their mortgages would be paid, asking for a new kitchen, etc.... If you want to raise the ire of Ron Paul supporters one need only call him a delusional isolationist.
The reason why Paul fans seem like they're crazy is because we have to fight against the media to get his message out.
Wow, seriously? Join the crowd. Perhaps if he didn't come off as a nut job on foreign policy with his blame America isolationism or the whole accepting neo-Nazi campaign contributions or maybe if he didn't come off as a dithering, feather head - conservatives would be more interested.
He tied for first at the Iowa Straw Poll, yet the headlines read "Bachmann comes in 1st, Pawlenty comes in 3rd".
You're being manipulated, deal with it.
I am not being manipulated, it is no surprise that journalists report what they want. There is no objective journalism. Every story told is told from a set of beliefs. I am just not as disturbed by the slant of journalists for two reasons. One, Ron Paul is not my candidate, never has been. Two, journalists are liberal whores so who cares what they do or do not report or how they report it.
Perhaps, but you're being blind.
The Iowa Straw Poll has only been won by one person who went on to win the presidency. It is a useless exercise that means nothing, and the media has already moved on from it almost universally, declaring the race to be between Romney and Perry.
Paul did not tie for first. He came in a very close second. One thing he did to help his cause is outbid all the other candidates for the best piece of real estate at the fairgrounds to attract voters to his tent. He paid $31000 to secure the best location.
It is a fool's misguided enthusiasm to think the country should take the second place finisher in a beauty contest seriously as a contender for president.
He is going to break your heart again.
Sorry Evan, he did not tie for first. Here are the results
1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%)
2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)
3. Governor Tim Pawlenty (2293, 13.57%)
4. Senator Rick Santorum (1657, 9.81%)
5. Herman Cain (1456, 8.62%)
6. Governor Rick Perry (718, 3.62%) write-in
7. Governor Mitt Romney (567, 3.36%)
8. SpeakerNewt Gingrich (385, 2.28%)
9. GovernorJon Huntsman(69, 0.41%)
10. Congressman Thad McCotter (35, 0.21%)
There is no doubt he had a good showing
Nope. I won't vote for him, even if it turns out there's no Republican who fits the bill. He's too middle-of-the-road. And he's trying to appeal to the crowd's misguided sense of civil rights. I watched him talk about airport security measures and say we never have to give up rights for the sake of security. Bull. Even though the security measures may be going too far the wrong way, the point should be that, yes, we might indeed have to give up some previous rights in order to keep terrorists from getting on planes.
By the way, Congratulations Michelle Bachmann!
Also by the way, the donkey, (which you so uneloquently referred to with a different name) is the icon for the Democratic Party, whereas the elephant (which never forgets) is for the Republican Party. Just a reminder.
Have to agree with you on this, Evan.
Of course, Palin gets as much or more attention than ANY of the actual candidates. Disgusting.
You do realize that you are the first person in this thread to mention Palin. Perhaps that is why she gets so much attention. She is despised by some and adored by others. There is not much neutral in opinions regarding her.
How about something truly disgusting.
I hope Paul runs as an independent candidate and Bachman as the GOP candidate.
The problem with Ron Paul is that he has only two tools in his political toolbox.
The first tool is called 'do nothing'. If Ron Paul was to look back at every piece of legislation since 1980, how many would he sign? Almost none.
Equal rights legislation? Environmental protection?
Education? Safety in the workplace?
Social Security? Medicare?
National Parks? Unemployment?
If you check, you will find he is opposed to all, except as privatized entities which some fat bastard can get fatter by exploiting.
The other tool in the Paul toolbox is 'Repeal Everything'. If Congress tried to address the problems of this nation, the only legislation which would not get the veto, is any piece of legislation which repeal without replacement, virtually everything done by Congress.
As president he would bring the US to collapse to nurture his flawed ideology.
"As president he would bring the US to collapse to nurture his flawed ideology." Irony is delicious.
Signing legislation isn't the equivalent of "doing something".
The federal government was designed to enter congestion. This is because Congress only has about 20 designated powers, but the powers that be want to do more.
In reality, these straw polls mean nothing. Ron Paul always does well in straw polls. It is nothing more than I can get more people to show up by bussing them in than you can. The primaries will be the real show of where the candidates stand with voters. That is where Ron Paul tanks.
The Iowa Straw Poll is not the Iowa Caucus.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primar … /state/#IA
Ron Paul does exactly what I said. Packs the Straw Poll but that is hard to do with the Caucus.
But he has followers whose support is a mile deep and an inch wide. Tiny and fanatical. That will work.
http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread. … Straw-Poll
Obama already beat a geezer/hottie combo. If Ron Paul picks Michelle Bachmann as his running mate it would be a repeat of the 2008 ticket, a geezer and a hottie. For all those brilliant independents who don't pay attention to anything of importance, Ron Paul isn't pretty enough to beat Barry.
For a woman in her mid fifties, yes and brains are hot. She has a post-doctoral degree in tax law from William and Mary. She isn't a community organizer. So yes, a hottie.
Well, we knew she wasn't a history major!
What did she say that gave you that idea. I don't follow every dust mote the media vomits up.
That's ok. Everyone else on here does, and knows the reference. You can look it up.
If you are referring to her comment on the efforts to eliminate slavery, I would differ with your interpretation, of course, but since history is more interpretation than fact feel free to cleave to your beliefs.
Let me help you.
Is it interpretive to say that the Battle of Concord took place in Massachusetts?
Depends on what you mean by Massachusetts.
btw, wasnt this thread originally about Ron Paul, the Texas US Rep who wants to repeal everything and replace it with nothing because all of his campaign contributions come from white supremacist groups?
She has brains? When does she plan on rolling them out? A printout of her errors would be thicker than a phone book.
They will never allow Paul to be anything more than a prop in the grand illusion,to
placate the libertarians, even if 99% of the people favored him.
Donkey stands for being stubborn and not being pushed around...well, in theory anyway.
everyone has their moments of looking absurd or stupid, as well as brilliant and exceptional...
the trouble is as always the media's spin or neglect or abuse thereof
look what they did with that picture of Bachmann on the cover of what was it Time? I have seen plenty of pictures of Obama, only on conservative sites, u-tube, etc...where he looked evil or corrupt or stupid, etc.... but do we ever see those on mainstream media?
Ron Paul has had an imbalance of bad pictures and moments put up on mainstream media...
like I've said before, I don't agree with all of his positions, but at least he speaks consistently as if he would allow all perspectives to be weighed in...
and if he had to decide a thing as president, I know he would give his Constitutional perspective and then..., how would he decide?
The same way you ignore any other crazy old coot. You tell him he's about to miss the early bird special, hand him his walker, and watch him disappear.
AP article on Ron Paul in Iowa
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … 64ac9a3a17
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