http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- … ht-to-hell
It's pretty clear Waters hates Americans that don't share her radical views, telling them they can go straight to h***! Really Maxine? The poster girl for unethical behaviour wants more of the tax payers money! Given how she's abused it in the past I don't see that as a good idea!!!
I'm guessing you agree 100 per cent with her other comments in the link, where she is growing tired of Obama?
Well what took her sooo long? I've been tired of Obama since before he became president!
Is it safe to say you were against Obama's presidency before you heard of him?
No. It's safe to say you don't know when I knew about him, but then, liberals do assume so much.
you assume that I am a liberal... typical conservative trait lol
Good gravy yes they do assume so much, to bad most of it is wrong
I dunno about lady_love, but personally I was against him only AFTER I watched him stand on a podium and tell America he wouldn't want his daughters "punished with a baby" and spout other wicked thoughts from his mouth.
Really? Did she go on that trip to Israel too? On that 5 WEEK vacation Cantor Ryan and Boner ordered?
Wonder how her constituents feel about her spending her time learning how to better serve Binnie the Rat?
Time for you to get on the fact train, yours is obviously derailed.
First, there are 3 seperate groups going, each group staying 1 week, not 5. Wow there are Democrats on the trip too. Guess you frogt to mention that.
Washington -- U.S. Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle(D) plans to travel to Israel on Saturday, where she will spend a week meeting Israeli and Palestinian leaders and touring the region with other members of Congress. Buerkle is among more than 80 members of Congress -- both Republicans and Democrats -- who are visiting Israel in three separate groups during the August recess. U.S. Rep. Bill Owens, (D) Plattsburgh, was in the first group to visit last week. Source-Politico
Uhhuh...they go there rather than go home to their constituents...you call that caring for America, I call it something else.
5 weeks vaca...on our dime for all of Congress, vs 10 days for Obama.
Wonder why you blast Obama ,but give Cantor and Ryan a pass?
As you cannot read, I will school you again.
They did go home, after their 1WEEK trip, they went home again. What is your problem? are you that hell bent you need to keep making things up despite being shown a left publications showing they only went for one week, and you continue to deny the Dems that went. And by the way, if you read the article, you would have seen it was not on the taxpayers dime.
So why blast Obama? first I am not blasting him, he is entitled to a vaction as they all are. Whether you belive they do or not is a personal opinion. The difference here is Obama is at an estate for 10 days at a cost of $56,000 per week at the taxpayers expense. And yes, that is on our dime. That does not include all the security and other issues needed to keep him informed. By the way and on a seperate issue, he said he needed a vacation, but he is giving interviews at the same pace as if he was in the Whitehouse. So he should have stayed in Washington and kept giving speeches from there, it wold have been cheaper on the taxpayers. Now Bush went to his ranch, not an estate costing $56,000 per week. In addition at his ranch he turned several rooms, at his own expense, into a mini Whitehouse so he could stay informed and make decisions.
Do you think it was wise to spend all that money at taxpayers expense when so many are unemployed and his policies are adding to our national debt at record pace? His vacation is adding to the National debt.
Why did you title this thread this way? I take offense. My father served 3 tours in Vietnam. His sacfrice and love for American has had a profound impact on my entire life. Every one of the men in my immediate family (dad, grandpa, brother, uncles...) has served in every war since the great war. I fiercely love this country and the people in it. Your title- ultimately stereotypes me and others like me, into a group in which I don't belong nor appreciate. It's quite obnoxious of you really to be so careless with your words.
I think its pretty clear, liberals luke Maxine Waters hate Americans, particularly Americans that don't share her views. 48% of Americans agree wirh the Tea Party on the issues facing this country and Waters told then they can all gi straight to hell. You don't take offense to that though? You don't take offense that your father fought for this country to preserve freedom and free speech only to have a congress woman of the USA tell it's citizens that voice their dissent they should go to hell? Personally I find that rather offensive!
Your title doesn't mention Waters? No your title says, "Proof liberals hate...." no quotations used, so clearly you weren't quoting somebody. So try again, why this title? I am a liberal. Your title says I and others like me hate Americans. Explain this irresponsible manner of writing.
Do any liberals hate other Americans? I bet they do, I bet some posting here hate her simply because she has a different opinion. Title seems accurate to me given the vitriol I've read.
Totally disagree. The title speaks for everyone not just Waters and it's offensive. It is what it is.
It says liberals hate the American people, are you saying they don't? You can speak for them all?
Now you are being pedantic. You remind me of TK who of course you wouldn't know.
You clearly didn't read my first post where I made it clear I was only representing myself. So back up jack and get your facts straight (when addressing me) before you start pretending to be so "precise." What a joke.
See...i don't hate her and i never have said that. I hate no one. Just because i disagree with them politically. I have a problem with people who generalize.
You generalize, I generalize, we all generalize. Do you have any proof she is being paid to post on these forums? Is that just another tactic to marginalize?
I don't start posts attacking groups of people
No you probably don't, and this isn't a thread doing that, no matter how hard you try to make it that way.
Fine, you can believe that if you wish.
That's just your opinion. Its wrong. The title speaks for itself and it is offensive and petty.
I am. So now what?
This is getting rather childish. I have feeling someone might be under age.... I done with chatting with you. Good luck here at Hubpages. You're gonna need it.
Have you asked her yet? Go ahead, make my day and ruin yours.
Am I supposed to ask her if she get paid to post? I think she has denied she does already.
Some thread I saw earlier. I could be mistaken.
Why not ask her just in case? Unless you are frightened at the answer you might receive, of course.
I will ask her, why exactly would that be frightening?
Unless you are in favor of people spouting the opinion of someone else on public forums just for money, you wouldn't. If you like truth and are supporting propaganda instead, you would.
Isn't that what our elected officials do, spout our opinions? It should be.
I vote for those who are going to represent me not themselves. Thats how Obama was elected you know, he led people to believe one thing and then when elected did the opposite.
Are you a bankster, a pharmaceutical company owner, an oil man, a billionaire hedge fund operator or an insurance company investor? If not you're out of luck.
The last time I looked she was not an "elected official." But let me know what she answered when you ask her.
She did know the going rate is 5 cents a post...i researched it ...
I don't know if she gets paid to post... I was being sarcastic. It just seems thereis an agenda there
Fine, ask her yourself and see how she replies.
Some folks are paid to be politically obnoxious, IE.
You mean this post where you mention others like you? You are speaking for more than just you.
"Liberals hate the American people", eh? Well; aren't liberals American people too? Isn't that like accusing a doctor of hating all doctors because he happens to disagree (and perhaps hate) some of his colleagues?
I'm a liberal and I think Maxine Waters is pretty much a lunatic. I also don't hate American people, just stupid American people, no matter how they classify themselves. It would be nice if would could just classify people as "smart" or "not-smart" and forget all the rest.
One person said one thing so it means she represents everyone? Maybe I read something different...I did not see her say she hated America?
The hate of the tea party has been vocaluzed by many on the left, reffering to us as terrorists holding the country hostage, and angry racists, and now this from Waters. The tea party isn't just some small group of extremists like many on the left think but a cross section of the majority of Americans.
Actually the Tea Party is a small group of extremeists, it's formed of a small group of people who have extreme political viewpoints, if you read any of the stuff they have been posting recently I am not sure how you could see it any differently.
Extreme political viewpoints to whom? I think democrats have extreme political viewpoints, the difference is I want them to express their viewpoints and they don't want me to express mine.
Most people don't understand the difference of "expressing viewpoints" as opposed to arguing. Most of what happens in religion and politics is argument with vehement emotions. Rational, calm dialogs are usually rare. Expressing viewpoints is a lot different than what normally happens.
My observation of the Tea Party is that they were an unpredicted backlash against the direction of present gov't. that forced some immediate change. While that is considered a good thing by most, it also became a band wagon for fundamentalists and extremists, which actually weakened its power to effect further change. In its present condition, the Tea Party is splattered, scattered, and at odds with itself because of the diversity of vehement, sometimes irrational opinions by so many people with their own personal agendas and motives. Until the party can focus on its specific platforms for change, this disarray will continue.
Karen N, above did a nice job of describing it. I'm not saying that the Tea Party is the only organization with extremists in it. They all have extremists. But usually extremists don't dictate party platform and policy. However, the Tea Party is a very new entity that hasn't had time to fully come into itself, and often fundamentalists and extremists are able to have more influence in the early stages. This is my observation of what's going on.
I disagree. Individuals opinions will always vary greatly regardless of the group they identify with. The tea party platform is very clear and very consistent.
You may want to read this http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawk … page/full/ You may understand you a little better.
Right. I'm a puppet of the Koch brothers and have no mind of my own ... must resist freedom and beg for enslavement and dependency! Lol!
I think my point is still valid whether you agree or not. If there weren't any truth to my observation, then the left wouldn't accuse the Tea Party of being filled with extremists. But you certainly have the right to disagree.
Which point? I only took issue with your view that the tea party message is scattered and splattered or co-opted by extremists. Where is the evidence to support that view? If that's your opinion, what's it based upon?
You could consider a grass-roots populist movement with no national leadership "scattered" by definition.
"An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of 647 local Tea Party organizers asked "which national figure best represents your groups?" and got the following responses: no one 34%, Sarah Palin 14%, Glenn Beck 7%, Jim DeMint 6%, Ron Paul 6%, Michele Bachmann 4%"
There quite a lot of interesting info on those polls: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp … y-canvass/
You could but that wasn't the context on which he used the word. 30% of dems want a primary challenge of Obama I guess then dems are "scattered" too?
Yes, they would be. And I was answering a direct question of yours, not his "your view that the tea party message is scattered and splattered or co-opted by extremists. Where is the evidence to support that view?".
I don't think it is an extremist movement however. Though personally I find the birther movement laughable.
Actually you couldn't be more WRONG! You must stop reading liberal websites like Huffpo, Daily Kos, and Moveon.org, the NYT, CNN, MSNBC, and the Wapo!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … n_congress
The tea party IS America! Interesting that most people don't agree with congress, yet they are elected to represent US!! I find that shocking!
There are extremists in every party.
Most tea party members that I know are peaceful law-abiding citizens.
I really hate the fact that people are called raciest or violent if they have a different political view. I have Repubs, Democrats and Independents in my family and most of the time everyone manages to get along.
I haven't heard of any democrats condemning her for her remarks. This woman should be an embarrassment to democrats.
What happened to the civility that the President called for after a Representative was shot in the head?
Oh how soon they forget!
Glad they renewed your contract Lady...every little bit helps
"I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting," he said. "Most of us didn't think that. What we did learn is this -- it's a hostage that's worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done."<--Mitch McConnell
What a darn liberal that guy is, eh?
His colleagues who wanted to "shoot the hostage" were the Tea Party Congressmen and women...
And we all know how "liberal" they are..
Compared to most conservatives he is quite the liberal. What he really is is a professional politician, that's pretty bad.
What he meant was the establishment repubs were more afraid of getting blamed and losing their jobs than doing what was right for the country. As a result of "compromise" we got another bad bill, a downgrade, and another unconstitutional committee to do the job that congress won't do!
So, the excuse is that he's not "conservative" enough....he's at least part liberal, which is what made him make that statement?
This thread is nothing but blatant hypocrisy on behalf of "conservatives"...
Note how I put apostrophes around "conservative"...this is because they aren't...
As long as the GOP controls government they will spend away... It's only a bad thing when it is their political opposition in charge...
Hi everyone...not here to comment...just observe...you know...research stuff. Please continue...
I'm not making excuses for him, he isn't conservative enough for me however. If that is bothersome to you I apologize.
lady_love, I tried following that link, found the video but then my computer said "operation aborted". Reckon there's a liberal internet cleanup on Maxine Waters' aisle? I can see it now----them scurrying to cover up her vile words.
Yes the video is "unavailable" for some reason but if you goggle it you might find it on another site. It was on all the real news programs this morning and I'm sure it will be disscussed tonight.
I agree with Maxine! The Baggers can go straight to hell. Don't pass go, don't collect 200 dollars---just prepare to meet your maker. And you know who that is
It's the opposite of God.
Should be hot down there too....make sure Glenny-Boy Beck brings plenty of water. He'll need it. That mouth will burn for all eternity.
Lady, I didn't ask you to tell me your translation of what McConnell said...
His use of language was the point... Don't try to twist the conversation away... All you do is contradict yourself...
With this said, I just got finished watching poor O'Reilly blunder through his show today. After a diatribe rife with blather about Obama's "vacation" and filled with blame on the President for all of America's economic woes he claimed that anyone who opposed his viewpoint was "misguided"...
He was then tag teamed by both of his guests...one a touted CEO/investor/entrepreneur, and the other a well known economist Ben Stein...
After dear old Bill tried to get them to agree with him, they both undermined all the points he had tried to make about the President's blame and drag on the economy, and then both supported increased taxation on those making over 1 million dollars per year...
After very plainly making their points, O'Reilly said that he refused to believe what they were saying and went to commercial break...
He is the only misguided one...and it is sad that so many Americans can't see past his obvious stupidity and arrogance...
The man is delusional...
There's nothing like a cool, relaxing waterboarding to take your mind off your troubles...
Followed by a few cigarette burns to the arm and a swim in the excrement pool.
Then, a vigorous joust with savage dogs to get the blood flowing.
So nice to belong to a civilized world order.
Why can't liberals stick to the subject? Why do liberals have this tendency to fly off on tin hat tangents? I was at a party this weekend talking to another angry liberal and he was all over the map! Maybe thats why Obama and the dems are such miserable failures... they just cant focus on anything!
Did I miss something? Am I a Liberal? I don't recall making that statement. Guess you just ass-u-me-d. Like most reactionary's.
And tush tush--this thread is about Liberals Hating American People....
I was just showing you why people subject to your soul-less leaders might have that same feeling.
Or maybe you should give Liberals the same lee-way you offer yourself: Love the sinner, Hate the sin.
That's a valid question why can't liberals stick to the subject? Whether you are a liberal or not isn't as important as why you foam at the mouth while typing. You should think of your health.
Why do you live in a world of grand generalizations and stereotypes?
Why can't you not contradict yourself constantly... You just ran away from the McConnell statement, and the fact...not innuendo...that he was referring to the Tea-brained in his quote about "shooting the hostage"...
Sometimes it is sad to see some things, or people, don't change...
Then again, the poor Lady is just doing the job she is getting paid to do...
So you are saying that your problem is that you went to university?
Your hypothesis also explains poor O'Reilly
Maxine seems to be angry at everyone these days. I don't think our leaders should use language like she did. And yes, I'm talking about BOTH parties and all who engage in it, including Rick Perry!
Lady doesn't understand the actual meaning or implication of the word "liberal"...
Her special training in LimBeckistan didn't allow for critical thinking...
No....it's still a pipedream of Pakistani ISI working in conjunction with those "patriots" over at Dyncorp...
They both sound (and write hubs) like Sab Oh...
They are clones from the same funny farm..
Oh yes, we have all seen how "tolerant" liberals have been of republucans and the tea party from garafolo, to maher, to waters, weiner, reid, pelosi, to schummer, and debbie blabbermouth shultz, all sooo tolerant! To all of them "compromise" means giving up on your principles and going along with what they want.. oh and Obama is no better, a narcissistic mud slinging incompetent fool and a total failure! If he really loves this country he'll step down and ride off into the sunset!
Hopefully,he'll have enough clout to steal the election like Bush did....twice!
Nah, on second thought, why stoop to their level?
Leave that to us internetters.
Vote your principle and on the merits.
No amount of shpin and shpeil can stop anyone from doing that!
It's funny--maybe it's immunity or something, but when I see a bash or a smear now, it just makes me laugh!
Somebody mentioned Fog-Horn Leg-Horn the other day. Remember how he used to hold that little hawk at bay while the hawk was swinging and missing to beat the band?
Eventually, the hawk tired out and his swings became irrelevant.
Keep it coming: socialist, hater,incompetant, inexperieced, terrorist, coke-head, gay, muslim, not born here, non-citizen, blah blah blah....
Like water off a duck's back.
So winning the required electoral votes is now stealing? The democrat keys to success are 1)Fail to win needed electoral votes. 2)Ask for recount. 3)Lose recount vote. 4)File lawsuit and whine everyday until people get tired of it then whine some more. 5)Get an incompetent lower court to see things your way. 6)Have a competent court undo what the incompetent court did. 7)Continue the untruth that an election was stolen. Seems to be a lot of work for nothing.
"Seems to be a lot of work for nothing."
That's what Liberals are ALL about.
"So winning the required electoral votes is now stealing?"
No silly!! It's having a relative that owns Diebolt voting machines, plenty of "soldiers' who don't mind lying, cheating and ruffing people up for you, and a brother in a state who's Supreme Court gives the election to you!!
My goodness, electoral votes....how quaint.
You sure have some facts wrong, Florida Supreme court ruled in Gores favor. And what possible difference would the voting machines make? The complaint was the ballot was confusing. What soldiers were doing the roughing up and lying? Do you need a hug?
"Palast's investigation into the Bush family fortunes for his column in The Observer led him to uncover a connection to a company called ChoicePoint. In an October 2008 interview Palast said that before the 2000 Election ChoicePoint "was purging the voter rolls of Florida under a contract with a lady named Katherine Harris, the Secretary of State. They won a contract, a bid contract with the state, with the highest bid."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palas … _Elections
Electronic Voting: The Stolen Election of 2004
by Larry Chin
Online Journal, 5 November 2004
And? Allegations and alleged emails don't impress me, nor does the blog.
Nothing said or written or proved against Bush will ever impress you. That's why they always get away with everything.
But let me tell you,the rest of the world is not so blind.
We are still dumb as clucks....
Ready to even consider MORE of the same!!!
When anything at all is proven let me know.
He and Cheney admitted to torturing prisoners, against the Geneva convention and the law.
Donald Rumsfeld authorized "excessive force techniques", which really amounted to Savagery and Sadism.
He is being sued by an American citizen who was tortured in Iraq under his rule.
And we won't even get into 9/11.....that much is too much for you to handle. Baby steps.
Still harping on an election you think was stolen but was not? Good, Lord!!!!
Come on, Sourpuss, I invite to join us in the year 2011.
You should know as well I the country was in much better hands after the attacks of 9/11 than they would have been if Gore had won. That idiot couldn't find his own butt with both hands and map. He would have been curled up in a fetal position in the presidential bunker, sobbing like a baby.
Another good thing came out of that election. Gore retired from politics, was no longer VP, and was thankfully no longer my senator. He didn't even carry his home state of Tennessee in the 2000 election, Sourpuss.
Now, come on up to 2011 with the rest of us and lets more forward, getting Obama out of office in 2012 and putting this country back on track.
When anyone continually places blame on others, it is a symptom of their denial to accept that they are victims who have given up their personal power. Thus, they can claim that others have robbed them, victimized them, and claim that they are entitled to restitution. In political and religious arenas this appears to be rampant. It seems in these circles that most only want to blame instead of evaluate their own motives and agendas where good actually starts. As long as blame and hostility continue, the world will continue to be broken. When each individual is willing to lay down their weapons and start a pattern of promoting good, then it will inspire others to do the same. Until that happens, we are faced with the same insanity that we continue to see now.
Not to put word in your mouth but you forgot one very important word in your opening.
"It's pretty clear Waters hates WHITE Americans that don't share her radical views, telling them they can go straight to h***! Really Maxine?"
For the sake of argument I'll be a liberal. What am I all about?
"I don't think it is an extremist movement however. Though personally I find the birther movement laughable." All you have to know is who funds what.
No matter what it appears like the funding is what it is.
I find that the power of the Tea Party, precisely because because it is decentralized is the fact that it is a popular movement. 87% of the funding was raised locally because of this, most of these are informal groups. Only 10% of the funding comes from national organizations.
The source is the same as I used above. It seems like a typical grassroots movement to me. I'm sure there are shades at the edges, but compared to the Clintons and such, it truly is a breath of fresh air (n.b I'm not a fan of the tea party movement).
Well I would wonder if the teaparty is not funded by corporations, why is it have an almost completely
Because they are capitalists. Just a thought.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I absolutely agree with your statement. Pfizer, ConocoPhillips, Lockheed Martin, JPMorgan Chase, Dow Chemical and Rolls-Royce and the usual Koch Brothers are all lining up as well. But it is inherent to any political party (I could easily research and list the same for anyone). Where money is concerned, interests align. It's politics.
No. It has a pro freedom agenda. You know private property rights? Or do you believe everything belongs to government?
I think what he believes is since his side dances to the tune of who pays everybody does.
The most private property in THE WORLD is my body....and they want the gvt to own that!
Sorry...freedom is the last thing you can attribute to the TP movement.
Freedom to be just like them, that's about it.
Think like them, believe like them, and most important, Hate Obama like them.
"The most private property in THE WORLD is my body....and they want the gvt to own that!"
You've got it backwards, Sourpuss. Liberals are the ones that want big government to have control over everything, not Conservatives. We want small, unintrusive government. Conservatives are grown up so we don't need nannies to take care of us. We know how to do that ourselves.
I would imagine sour is making that same old lame argument about "my body and abortion"... blah blah.
Old and useless.
I cannot wait till we over-turn Roe-v-Wade.
Amazing disconnect. Liberals always whine about conservatives forcing them to have babies and getting into their bedrooms.
But they want a liberal government to crawl right up their .
You have that link for that other site you were talking about?
Tell you what...we can do away with Healthcare for all when we get rid of mandatory car insurance.
Pro-choice, or anti-abortion?
That is all I need to know.
READ CAREFULLY TO GET IT ALL:
No, I don't believe in abortion, Sourpuss. When I felt my daughter move when I placed my hand on her mother's stomach, that was it for me.
However, I also think it's none of my business what a woman does with her body unless the baby she's carrying is mine.
I hope that answers your question. Anything else?
That is not the platform of the Republican party, or I suspect, the TP. They are anti-abortion, and want to repeal Roe v Wade.
That's the great thing about America, Sourpuss. I, nor you, have to agree with everything a particular party spews. We can have a difference of opinion, at least for the time being. I'm just one of the ones that wants to make sure it stays that way.
Hey Sour, got news for you, Government owns you under Obamacare. Go read it
Obama is pro-choice, as is the Dem platform. I have nothing to fear from them. I am free in my own person. Your side, however, wants to put me in bondage to the State.
Keep believing that. You will be like others who said I was nuts when I told then what was in Obamacare because I read it. You will come back and say he was right. Pro choice, not under Obamacare.
Gee, I wonder what it actually say's." Because I read it "doesn't cut it. 2000 + pages of legalese? How does it own us?
Actually,1,578 pages. And if you read it you know
And if you really read it, you should now why union members have something to be concerned about.
By the way, how is your retirement fund these day. Unions now committing another 400 Million dollars to the Election cycle above what they spen so far with the hopes of possibly giving and raising an extra $600 million so Obama can have $2 Billion for his recelction and for the Dem congressman as well. You know those funds are not coming from your dues
Money well spent I guess, I'm starting to hear clamoring for repeal of the Davis Bacon act. 7.50 an hour for everybody that actually works for a living. When will you learn who is up front (President) is meaningless.Who do you think really runs things? CIA, Military,Bankers, Wall St, Corporations.Who gave the most to Obama? Wall St. Who got the most out of Obamacare, Insurance and Pharma. He was a Junior Senator from Illinois. Who will they let be the whipping person next, but I bet they also kissed AIPAC's butt. Obama went into Libya, I'm sure that was all his idea.
Well, I hope those rumors are not true. Davis-Bacon Act is a good piece of legislation. I would be most disappointed on its repeal. Where did you hear that? did you read it? Let me know. I would throw my support behind the effort to keep it.
As for who runs things, that is a debate all to itself. Who got the most out of Obamacare? you are right but you need to add the government due to all the taxes coming down the road and for all the government jobs that will be added to administer the policy.
Bloomberg View (radio) did a segment on public works projects to stimulate the economy. No one is getting rich off of prevailing rate,you don't have to be union.I won't get into the Fed lending OUR money to banks at 0%
Were on a Race to the bottom.
They have to raise billions to counter the Tea-Party, who have billions coming out their rear-ends. Citizens United.....Corporations are people without the obligations people have.
Corporation have no loyalty to family, home or country. Only the bottom line.
So, to lie and mislead is no problem. They have no conscience and no morality.
They are people without the humanity.
Never thought I'd see the day when a building was equal to me in my country!!
30 elected officials have money coming out their butt. WOW talk about big donors. You were right you do speek ridiculas things. Corperations have not had loyalty for over 25 years, that did not just happen.
Yes, the tp funders are rich oil men with an agenda. If you don't know that by now, you never will.
They were pretty blatant about it all throughout 2000-2008.
That's why I had hoped we got rid of them when we the people elected Obama.
But let's face it...money has long arms. And 0 integrity.
If people believe the lies, what can you do?
The 2 biggest lies of the past 10 yrs IMO:
1. Tax cuts create jobs
2. Bin Laden did 9/11
The source of all our troubles right there. IMO
The Tea party people came from states that do not need oil support. "They wer prety blatent about it 2000 -2008" Really? You realized there was no Tea Party during those years right. And the hits just keep on coming.
As for Bin Laden and Al Queda, that is truly somewhere you do not want to go. That is a truly personel issue for me as I was there. Were you? of course not. But you will claim to be an expert.
And history proves, tax cuts help with the economy getting stronger and leads to job creation.
Dick Armey has been around for decades. HE is a TP supporter, and funder.
Koch Brothers have been around since their father and the John Birch society. TP funders.
People like them found a home in the newly renovated TP, but it's still the same old agenda.
Get with it!
"And history proves, tax cuts help with the economy getting stronger and leads to job creation."
It proves just the opposite! We have had 10 years of cuts, and enormous job loss.
All it proves is the more money you have, the more you want....country be damned!
And 9/11 is personal for every single American. You hold no special priveledge.
Being a supporter on a recent movement does not mean it was around during the time you stated. I am sure you are an Obamacare supporter, but despite the disaster that is coming from it, you cannot blame Obama or the system for health care issues from 2000 to 2008 GET WITH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you saying the Dems have a new agenda? Please enlighten us, for they have the same old failed aganda.
If you trluy have an open mind(doubt it) history will show you strong economic growth after tax cuts. The rorblem with the tax bush tax cuts, despite bringing the economy back each time, oh I say that because there were 2 of them and I know most libs do not know that, is the Congress went on major spending binges. First the Republican Congress, then the Dem controlled Congress under Bush and it continued under Obama.
As for 911, it should be personal for every American, but it is not. That is the shame and there are some here who have that belief and there was one who is no longer here on HP that debated me that it never happened in the first place. Now you may think that person is nuts, and they are, but there are many who do believe it never happened. I was not sure what road you were starting to head down so that is why I said what I did. I was no trying to say you did not take it personal. If you picked up anything in your short time here I was there, a former FDNY LT firefighter. Of the 343 brothers lost that day, I personally knew 44 of them. You may have even picked up on my health issues. I just did not die that day. There are many of people out there like me, not just first repsonders. I am also extremely Patriotic and extremely proud to be an American. So while we should all take it personal, I really take it very personal. I do believe the families of lost ones, all first responders, and all the workers and voluteers that were there with us and who now all are also getting sick hold a specila privilage Even Red cross volunteers who were there for us are getting sick and dieing. So are you for not letting all those people go to WTC on the 10th anniverserary? Seems to me we are being forgotten, government does not pay for healthcare denying many of the diseases we get. NY workers Comp refuses to pay any claims. I persoanly have paid many of the bill till the money ran out, now I owe over $350,000 in medical bills for showing up to do my job. But we cannot go for there is no room for us as there has been in the previous 9 years because President, I have turned down the invitaion to attend for the last 3 years, Obama and his political ontourage and dignitaries will be there? Why now? Can you say campaigning? Obama was in NY 7 times prior to the Bin Laden disgusting display, and he never went to WTC, not even a drive by. But he will not miss the photo op.
I would wager it is because she doesn't understand the implications of her actions or the meanings of the words she uses.... But then, by her own definition (seen in the title of her following forum thread) she would be a "liberal" too....
Whatever she is getting paid to post here, it is far too much...
True, that is why we shouldn't respond to her baiting threads in the future, i know i won't.
She is not willing to listen to anyone who disagrees with her. I like debate but just throwing out insults does not make for conversation.
Again...ONE person stating her opinion...she can be voted out if people disagree with her. She also has freedom of speech and can criticize whomever she wants as you can.
By the way, where do you get 48% from?
People shouldn't fall for this kind of bait. Why feed threads that are so pointless?
Scientific proof liberals are more intelligent than conservatives--
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the … servatives
Hmmm, Liberals stroking the egos of other Liberals.
Why doesn't that surprise me?
Please tell me something. If Liberals are so intelligent, why do they want to be able to do what they want, when they want, where they want, with whomever they want but then don't have a problem giving all their rights over to a big nanny government?
Don't they understand once they give away all their rights so that big nanny government will take care of them they want be allowed to do what they want, when they want, where they want, with whomever they want?
If Liberals are supposedly so intelligent, why can't they figure that out?
Conservatives figured that out a long time ago.
Ah gee it's all falling apart. I guess fundamentally changing a country isn't as easy as it looked in Obama's pipe dream.
But it all seemed so easy when he was in that crack house smoking up thinking it through.
Why do you think it is the news hasn't put out a reward for one of Obama's old crack dealers, or smoking partners, to come forward with the story?
I would like to hear all about his crack dayz...
And anyone with an ounce of intelligence understands the American Left and Progressives despise this nation and all it stands for.
What a loon this Mason is...just like his avatar...
Some things never change...
Shall we also discuss McCarthy's morphine addiction, and how he was able to get a free lifetime supply of his favorite dope? (source "The Murderers")
Mason was hot on the heels of G.W.Bushies white powder dealer as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._ … ontroversy
Let's see....Bush was arrested for possession of cocaine...but daddy gets the record expunged...
I wonder who Bush was snorting it up with....and what else they were up to...
But Mason wouldn't be interested in these stories... They actually require critical thought...
Dude... I am no Bush fan... please.
And I cannot help the man smoked crack. Also, that was my point, the double standard as to everyone needing to peg ole george for his coke habit while Obama admits to smoking crack... and it's no biggie. I believe they are looking for sex partners for Perry also. What a laugh.
So try to keep up, Mike.
Also, I do not believe that trying coke dis-qualified Bush, nor does trying crack dis-qualify Obama. I am not a hard ass on the drug thing Mike. It is their boidies and minds, as loing as they are not craking up or snorting in the white house on the jobs.
And the McCarthy thing is old news... so whats your point? he drank too... and gambled... wow... imagine that.
lol you're a riot.
And you know nothing about my interests.
he drank and gambled too?
maybe i was all wrong on the guy!?!?!
You can run away from Bush....but if I checked your voting record I think we'll find you voted for him twice...
I don't see any articles you have written about his narcotics abuse, nor have you written any forum threads about it...
You deride Obama for his mistakes, but you do it as you use an avatar personifying a man who had far worse errors of judgement, and who truly abused the power he held...
I didn't say McCarthy drank to much and gambled.... I said he was illegally using morphine...and using his political power to make sure he didn't have to hit up a dealer for his next fix... How did he manage to get a lifetime supply of his favorite narcotic?
That is much different... Way to go avoiding the topic again...
Ducking and dodging the only way you can...but it isn't good enough...
Your hypocrisy knows no bounds...
Being forced to vote for someone in this system and actually supporting them, are two very different things.
And as to your picking on Obama... I am pointing out hypocrisy in the media and by Leftists... so nice try on the spin.
And McCathy was absolutely correct in all his assertions against those he had in his sights for being traitors... and they were. We know now his claims were correct and fact.
It is a historic fact that McCarthy was right.
"I wonder who Bush was snorting it up with....and what else they were up to..."
I do know 2 of his girlfriends had abortions.
HI Ann! I have to get back over to that forum but its just so profitable here! Why yesterday after 10 hours of posting I made almost 5 dollars!!! Lol! Good to see ya!
He has been (historically) shown to be, at best, a political crackpot who only got to where he was based on fearmongering and namesmearing...
Why do you dodge the illegal narcotics (opiates to be exact) that your savior (and avatar) used... You brought up drugs...
Go back and read my other post on my feelings toward drugs...
And unfortunately for the Left McCarthy has indeed shown to have been perfectly correct in his claims.
Denial does no good against the facts, dude.
History has shown McCarthy to have been absolutely correct. All those he named, were indeeed Communist actives, KGB moles and Socialist/Communist supporters, all of which were actively helping to undermine American foriegn policy.
That is just a fact. Too bad. VENNONA, the KGB, FBI, Commintern, GRU, State Dept, OSS, OWI, Senate and Executive records, all prove the facts as McCarthy claimed, were true.
Liberal lies and denial cannot hide the truth anymore.
"In 1935 McCarthy tried practicing law in several Wisconsin towns, earning a reputation as a fierce gambler along the way. He also began playing the game of politics. After an unsuccessful bid as Democratic candidate for district attorney, he shifted his focus and became the Republican candidate for circuit court judge. He won, and at the age of twenty-nine he became the state's youngest circuit court judge. This victory also hinted at his later methods: He had lied in his campaign literature about his opponent's age (adding seven years to it) and about his own (moving his birth date back). By now, his basic personality was well shaped—clever and ambitious but lacking moral judgment, or the ability to distinguish between right and wrong."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Josep … arthy.aspx
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en& … mp;f=false
Keep trying Herr McCarthy.... You have failed again...
Oh please... lol..
So what? Politics is a dirty game.
What a joke. that has absolutely no bearing on his pointing out security risks in the Govt., as was his job.
There has never been a lick of proof that he intentionally lied. He won an election and the establishment didn't like it... the incumbant ;lost and whined. Too bad.
Go read some real history.
In 1943, the Venona Project began. It's goal was to break the Soviet Unions diplomatic codes. After 2 years, the project was a sucess.
What Venona prooved was that were indeed persons activly working against the USA and to benifit the Soviet Union. Many people that McCarthy refused to "name" were former members of the Communist Party and in positions where they had access to classified materials. And the Govt already had possession of the same lists, the Lee List etc... as ole Joe. But Joe wanted them all investigated first and named only if they were proven to be subversives. Call it inocent untill proven guilty.
Here's what one historian has to say about the subject:
The release of [the Venona papers] would have nipped McCarthyism in the bud, for the true facts about real spies would have made wild accusations about imaginary [sic] spies irrelevant. Only in the absence of Venona could McCarthy feed on collective fears regarding immense conspiracies and treacherous leaders. Venona would have revealed unstinted spying, abetted by the American [Communist] Party. It would have led to the prosecution of disloyal public servants. It would have stifled the outcry that Communists were the innocent victims of Red-baiting and witch-hunts, and shown that McCarthy was inconsequential to the issue he rode to fame.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Chairman of the bipartisan Commission on Government Secrecy, responsible for securing the release of Venona project materials, in the Introduction to his book Secrecy states, "The Venona intercepts contained overwhelming proof of the activities of Soviet spy networks in America, complete with names, dates, places, and deeds." The release involved careful consideration of privacy interests of individuals mentioned, referenced, or identified in the translations. Some names have not been released when to do so would constitute an invasion of privacy. Over 200 named or covernamed persons found in the VENONA translations, persons then present in the U.S., are claimed by the KGB and the GRU in their messages as their clandestine assets or contacts.
Yes... McCarthy was absolutely correct!
Fact of History.
He was a liar, fraud, and opportunist...
You obviously failed to read the second link I posted (in fact I would wager you didn't get past the partial quotation I made).. So I'll post the second link again..
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en& … mp;f=false
There's more, of course...
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xml4Mo … mp;f=false
We can do this all day....
Mr. McCarthy's delusion and paranoia probably had something to do with his cronic alcohol and drug abuse....
I liken much of Cold War mentality with that of the Salem Witch Trials...
In a nation where we have the right to say and believe what we think, old Joe's mentality and abuse of government authority (for example, during the Taft-Hartley debate, demanding that union shops deny membership to those thought to be communists) shows the hypocrisy of the entire process....
They were afeared of the government of the USSR....a state dominated by the government, that he in turn created a similar environment here....
I wonder what old Joe would have thought of the Israeli-Egyptian conflict in the early 70's.... Would he have jumped on the Kissinger b.s. wagon talking about the 40,000 Soviet Marines in the Eastern Med waiting to assist the cut-off Egyptian troops... Would he have used the media to lie to the American people and create a crisis that didn't exist? (Oh those liberals control the media all right..)
Yes...he would have....
Espionage was taking place everywhere... The Venona project itself shows this to be true... Based on the information I have seen up to this point, regarding communist agents, the intelligence was hit or miss... I hope to live to see the declassification of the HUAC files and other information that will definitely demystify that part of American history...
It's too bad that we have evidently been deemed "incapable" of having this material now...
McCarthy's character speaks for itself... His motives were for his own selfish self at the cost of everyone else...and his own life... Though he may have found himself on the right side of an issue (on very few occasions), it is him in his entirety that is being described....
He was a loser, a liar, a charlatan, a megalomaniac, a fearmongerer, and a hypocrite...
I have a book: Legacy of Ashes,The history of the CIA, that states McCarthy was set up by the Cia. Some one is full of it.
I did not deny dems went there....in fact, I yelled at Waters if she did!
What business do they have going on a trip that a foreign nation pays for? What is expected in return? Who do they work for anyway?
You say Obama should stay in Washington? At least he stayed in the USA! And elBushbo always went to the ranch or Camp David...did you ream him for it? Ole lady Reagan still has protection doesn't she? Don't they all? Would you like it if all R's kept their Secret Service, but Obama gave his up? They all add to the debt. So do Boner's martini lunches.....AND?
And I hate to tell you this, but our aid to Israel is adding to the national debt too.....and they aren't even AMERICANS!!!!!
How would you feel if 82 members of Congress accepted a paid trip to Iran?
Israel is an ally and friend to the United States. Iran is not. Iran is like the school yard bully that doesn't know when to shut up.
Bush went to his ranch in Crawford so it only cost for the trip down and back. Security stays in place at Camp David so you're talking about the cost of a Marine One flight up and back.
Obama and family are staying in a $50,000 a week estate on Martha's Vineyard. The president flew on one jet with his dog and four hours later the wife and girls flew up on a special jet.
Michelle "Antoinette" Obama has spent $10 MILLION on her vacations including expensive food and booze. Don't believe me, click on the link.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … tions.html
When most Americans are struggling to make end meet, she's spending taxpayers dollars hand over fist.
Doesn't that piss you off, Sourpuss? If it doesn't, I don't want to read another word about a few Congress people going on a trip to Israel.
Also, Obama hasn't given up his protection detail. A sitting president can't do that.
Sour was given a link earlier he is ignoring. He knows if he read it the Israel trip did not cost the taxpayers anything
Not cost us? Who pays their salary? You saying Bibi paid for everything they did over there? Doubtful.
And I don't care...they have no business accepting the favors of another country.Especially another country that has them in the palm of their hand. Above and beyond America's own interest!!!
It is NOT the United States of Israel!
Israel is no friend to the USA. It uses us like chattel. And I don't like being associated with thugs and merciless murderers.
And no, I don't give a dam how much money the POTUS and FLOTUS spend....WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY PROBLEMS IN THE USA.
We have a HOARDING problem.
Don't you remember Nancy Reagan? That lady LOVED to spend money. No one said a word.
Difference is, the Obamas want EVERYBODY to have money to spend, you R's just want to contain it to the very tippy-top.
"And I don't like being associated with thugs..."
But yet you have no problem standing behind Obama? He's nothing but a two-bit Chicago thug with a good title.
"WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY PROBLEMS IN THE USA"
REALLY?!?!?!?!?!? You need to climb out of Oscar's trash can, take a look around, and talk to some people other than puppets.
Difference is, the Obamas want EVERYBODY to have money to spend, you R's just want to contain it to the very tippy-top.
Yeah, they want to take money from hardworking people and give it to people who are too lazy to work even in a good economy. I don't know about you but I work 60-70 hours a week, six days a week. Not a huge deal. A lot of people do it. But in doing it, I want to keep my money and use it to pay MY bills.
How old are you, Sourpuss?
You're wasting your time with her. Her mind is made up. Its not fair that anyone in this country has more than anyone else, we should all be equally miserable, except the rulung elite who remain in power to ensure "fairness".
Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it untrue, John. And why don't you have a problem with Michelle "Antoinette" spending that much of OUR money? Aaaah, I know. She's a Dem so it's okay. Right?
Well no, it's because I'm a Brit and know how low the Daily Wail actually is.
My bad. I should have checked your location. But if your PM wife was doing the same, wouldn't upset you?
It depends on whether the Daily Mail reported it, or a proper newspaper.
Okay, lets say a "proper paper" reported your PM's wife had spent $10 million in your tax dollars on trips, food, and alcohol. What would your opinion be then?
Then first I'd want confirmation of that, rather than just a report. I'd want to know how one person managed to spend $10 million on trips, food and alcohol, it does sound rather excessive!
The article is heavily laden with "reported" "Believed" and "Alleged" with the comment, almost thrown away, that she paid for most of her own holidays!
I'm sure it was spent on her and her entourage, not just her. She does have approximately 28 people working for her alone. A bit excessive in my view. I can understand a few but no more than say 5, counting nannies.
God, I hope not. She'd be fatter than she is now and drunk as hell all the time.
Most of it was probably travel expenses. My point is, with the economy the way it is, she should stay home with maybe a trip or two back to Chicago during the year. I don't think that's too much to ask since she's spending taxpayer money.
2 plus 2 equals 4 no matter what source that calculation appears in. Attacking the source is a common tactic of the left. Doing so avoids having to confront the truth. It chages the subject and serves to deflect the debate. A fact, is a fact until it's not.
I see your vacation has not improved your powers of reasoning!
The Daily Wail is renowned for taking 2 + 2 and making 7. It does not deal in facts, it deals in alarmism.
You should try confronting the truth yourself. The real truth that is, not your right wing idea of what the truth is.
I have to say, taking a separate plane to fly to Martha's Vineyard for her vacation is excesdive by any measure! She couldn't wait 3 hours more to travel with her husband? Really? This country is hurting and Michelle is basically taking a piss on us!
Even if it is true, how much difference is it going to make to any sane and sensible person?
Hey maybe the old man was on a "I'll get there when I can" ticket, "you go on ahead and I'll get there when I can". And it just so happened that he could make it the same day.
Its perception and its not the first time for her either. Remember her trip to spain with 40 of her "friends"?
http://m.cbsnews.com/blogsfullstory.rbm … ofeed=null
Yes, you could have bought another 5 cruise missiles for that, that would have been good wouldn't it?
Thats right! Just think how many Islamic terrorists we could have made martyrs out of!
Or how many peaceful Muslims you could have turned into terrorists.
Right... like the peaceful muslims that raped Lara Logan in Egypt or the peaceful muslims that performed "virginity" tests on the women there or the peaceful muslims that killed the dutch cartoonist, or the ones that made death threats against David Letterman or the ones that rioted and killed their own people when a FL preacher threatend to burn the koran, or the peace muslims that are killing and persecuting christians everyday, just because they are christian? Those peaceful muslims? As Bush said "Bring it on"!
By the way Lady, you have avoided answering in the "Understanding" thread...
Have you found out which U.S. military units are on the ground in Libya?
Have you found a reasonable way to compare a 1 billion dollar, foreign fought conflict (Libya) and a 1.5 trillion dollar, hundreds of thousands of troops, go it alone (or just about..the Brits don't really count in this case) "long hard slog" (Iraq)?
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