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Has the U.S. become a nation of haters?

  1. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    Never in my life have I seen such vitriol directed at our current POTUS and our former POTUS. Some people didn't like Clinton or Daddy Bush, some made fun of Ford and thought Carter was inept, and some thought Ronnie was senile, but I honestly don't remember as much pure hate directed at any of these as I've seen aimed at GWB and Obama. Even if you don't agree with the presidents' policies, shouldn't the office at least garner a little respect? Isn't it possible to disagree with them without calling them vile names and depicting them as headhunters, Nazis, monkeys, Alfed E. Newman, idiots, and non-citizens? I'm not talking about good-natured jokes here - presidents have always been the butt of those. I'm talking about pure venom. I learned a long time ago that hate will consume and destroy the hater, eventually.

    This tirade was prompted by the comments I read on blogs last night, mostly directed toward Obama, with a few Bush attacks. Can't we, as Americans, do better than this?

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's a strange question to ask now, Bush was dragged through the mud a long time ago. Now its Obama's turn to be roughed up and people are concerned? He's a terrible president and deserves as much criticism as he gets. Get over it.

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        Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        but in all fairness Obama has United most of us as we all feel we are screwed haha.....

      2. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I thought with Bush, it was a fluke. Now that Obama is getting the same treatment, I worry that it's a trend. And since you're new here and don't know me, I'll tell you that I didn't vote for Obama. In fact, we still have McCain stickers on our auto. I disagree with a lot of Obama's policies and hope the GOP can run a candidate worthy of my vote. I'm not whining for Obama - I'm concerned about the office, in general.

    2. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The nation is certainly more polarized than any time in my memory. Too bad.

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Mine, too, Ralph.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      A lot of people follow the leader who sets or perpetuates the standard for civility in public conversation.    Bush never, as far as I remember, publicly bad-mouthed former leaders or Obama OR the average citizen.   Obama has done all that.  And his followers have taken that inch and made it into miles and miles of hateful carp.  Conservatives, for the most part, do fight back, but not usually with the vileness of the Left;  conservatives usually fight on the issues, not against Obama as a person.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Name a single time that Obama has done that.  If you can't, you may have just offered a load of carp.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          "conservatives usually fight on the issues, not against Obama as a person."

          That's the load of carp! IMO

          He's a piece of sh*t
          On public housing. hahah the WH
          related to escaped gorilla
          I hate him.....


          Nothing to do with policy. Just Obama-Hate.
          Now, here's the dif: Bush and Cheney are war criminals....see? Policy!

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          Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          He has said we all share a "horrendous tragic history" in reference to the civil rights movement.  What he so conveniently forgets is that that issue has been straightened out and done with and he should NOT keep bringing it back up.  He apparently knows nothing about forgiveness toward others nor how to ask for it himself.  He just doesn't care. He called America "arrogant" and continues to blame us all for every ill that a few people have done.  He has mocked evangelical Christians, and actually all Christians;  mocked those who believe in the right to bear arms for our own protection; tried to sway our kids not to follow their grandparents' and parents' teachings.   He's tried to get Bush prosecuted for things that happened during his Presidency.  He's mocked average citizens who simply wanted him properly vetted.  Not to mention the stuff Michelle Obama has said that he hasn't even tried to apologize for allowing.

          Being a sarcastic arrogant mocker against honest citizens isn't one of the requirements of the Oval Office, nor is it needed or desired.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            As I suspected - carp.  Civil right issues have been "straightened out" ?  lol

            1. Paul Wingert profile image78
              Paul Wingertposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Bush never had the time to publicly bad-mouth former leaders. He was too busy lying to us to go foreward with a useless and costly war with Iraq and other scams to pad his rish friends' pockets.

    4. Evan G Rogers profile image83
      Evan G Rogersposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed!

      Remember back in the good ol' days of politics?

      Back when DUELS were the way to settle things? (Hamilton Burr... Burr kicked Hamilton's ass!)

      Or, y'know, severe beatings with canes?
      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/5471775_f248.jpg

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I don't think the population took sides as much in the "good ol' days." Most folks probably didn't know much about what was going on in the world of politics. Now we have 24-hour news and the internet.

    5. IntimatEvolution profile image82
      IntimatEvolutionposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Habee.  Great question and by the jest of hubbers responses, people are clearly scared and overwhelmingly frustrated by the political gridlock of both parties and from the complete disregard for the betterment of the American people.

  2. wilderness profile image95
    wildernessposted 5 years ago

    I tend to write some off to the internet; it is too easy to go public while retaining anonymity.

    The intense, vitriolic mud slinging campaigns don't help.  Constant media picking at picayune matters hurts.

    Our entire political system has become a battle ground for companies and individuals looking for government monies and more power.  While it has always been this way to some extent the battle has intensified enormously and personal attacks are seen as one way to get what they want.

    It's a mess.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I agree that the Internet has contributed to the uncivilized, polarized dialog. Plenty of lying, scurrilous stuff unfiltered and unchecked by newspaper editors is circulating in cyberspace.

  3. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    I think we always have been!
    It's just really coming to the surface with a black man as president.

    These attacks on Obama SO remind me of the stuff I heard growing up in the 60's.

    Deny it all you want, you aint foolin this white girl.

    *****
    Rush Limbaugh broke my virgin ears back in the 90's. His attacks on Clinton, I could not BELIEVE.
    He has stepped it up a notch now.

    Oh, I mean down a notch....in the pits of hell, that is.

    1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
      Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Limbaugh's a dishonest, truly evil man.

      1. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Come on Ralph, evil? You wonder why the U.S. is polarized? You are not offering solutions you are fanning the flames of hatred, I suspect hatred for Bush is ok but its bad when directed at your guy.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Have you ever listened to Russsshhhhhh?

          To say he hates Democrats is an understatement. To say he thinks Obama is a dirty-pig is being kind.
          Or he's acting, in which case he's a paid hate-monger.

          He spews hate...you can feel it. Same with Beck. The only question is it real, or faked?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            C'mon, give Rush a break.  He uses terms like femi-nazi and environmentalist whacko in the most loving way.

            1. Paul Wingert profile image78
              Paul Wingertposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Limbaugh has the credibilty of a rock. He's just a radio comentator who likes the sound of his own voice. He's not a journalist or has any ties to politics or politicians. All this a**hole does is spin newspaper topics to please his dedicated right wing conservative audience who can't think for themselves.

              1. Ralph Deeds profile image70
                Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                More like a steaming turd than a rock.

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That's an insult to steaming turds. mad

              2. Repairguy47 profile image60
                Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I would comment but Rush hasn't told me what to think yet.

                1. lovemychris profile image80
                  lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure he has!!:

                  "Mr.Obama(never president) is a fraud. He was not born here, hates America, and is activally working to destroy her.

                  Any of these Republican candidates could wipe the floor with him, and I hope Sarah Palin gets in the race.

                  We need a real American as president, not a commie sympathizer, who hates business.

                  Whatever it takes to get him out, we must do!"

                  ::::: I don't listen to him, so I'm sure I don't have the vicious hominems down....but I'll bet when he talks about Obama, you can just feeeeel the hate and derision ooozing out of him.....like poison.

                  Which is what that Koch group is set up to do; slow poison drip of character assasination.

                  1. Paul Wingert profile image78
                    Paul Wingertposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Limbaugh accuses Obama of a controled media several times. But yet that fat turd screens all the incoming calls and only accepts the callers who kisses his fat ass and tells him how great he is!

              3. Reality Bytes profile image91
                Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                He cashes checks?

                Lots of them!!!!!

          2. Repairguy47 profile image60
            Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I think you have trouble understanding the difference between satire and actual hate. Try listening to Maxine Waters for a lesson in hate spewing.

            1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
              Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              “The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”

              I'm sure Rush was joking. roll

              1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Probably was, what was he talking about? I have no idea what this quote is from or even if Rush said it, do you think you could direct me to the source?

                1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                  Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2549

                  Here's one of many.  If you want to listen to the entire episode, you can probably find it on his web site.

              2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Rush is a hatemonger. I dunno if I'd go so far as to call him evil, but he certainly has a different sense of morality than most of us. He doesn't seem to have a problem with repeating misleading (or outright false) information, for example.

                1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                  Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Hate monger-One who incites others to hatred or prejudice. Rush informs his listeners of the latest goings on politically and then gives his interpretation. It is usually punctuated with humor and satire. The left who is almost completely humorless misinterprets it and calls it hate for their benefit. Ive been listening to Rush for over twenty years and I have seen more hate in these  forums perpetrated by liberals in the last two weeks than all of the past 20 years from Rush.

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You're right.  Name a single left-leaning comedian..

                    Anyone?  Anyone?

                    I didn't think so.

                    That settles THAT! mad

                  2. lovemychris profile image80
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I think it doesn't bother you, because you agree with him politically!

                    You listened to Russsshhhhhh during Clinton,and heard no hate? Wow....
                    I had to stop listening. In the same way I don't watch gory movies.....don't want to fill my mind with it!

                    And if you cannot see the hatred for Obama....we are on different planets!

                  3. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                    Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "Ive been listening to Rush for over twenty years and I have seen more hate in these  forums perpetrated by liberals in the last two weeks than all of the past 20 years from Rush."
                    Then you haven't been paying attention to Rush's show.

            2. lovemychris profile image80
              lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              No--I have no problem.

              hate is hate is hate.

              No matter how you try and pretty it up. At least The Nuge is honest: "Hey Obama, suck on this!" (barrell of a gun)

              1. Repairguy47 profile image60
                Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, Ted is honest.

    2. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      No, LMC. It came to the surface with W, too. As for Rush, I've never listened to him. Never.

  4. profile image0
    Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago

    I agree but President Obama has added to it by such statements as “they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back” when referring to republicans before the election in 2010. Not a very Presidential statement.....

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I think America has many great lovers too; the third World will help her balance out.

  5. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    “they can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back”

    What is wrong with that? That is how it works! We elect a Democrat, we expect Democratic principles of governing.

    It has been just the opposite this time...and I'd like to know why.

  6. rebekahELLE profile image91
    rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago

    It's disturbing to say the least. Last night my son posted a comment in regard to a highly opinionated article blasting the US, and one of the posters commented back saying he hoped Iran would drop a bomb on his house. Where does this hatred come from? The posters screen name is 'americansaredumb'. [not on Hubpages]
    Like wilderness said, a lot of it comes from anonymity and cowardice. Would he say that face to face?

    I get most of my news from PBS and a few select newspapers. I can't listen to the other stuff. The Republican National Convention is going to be in Tampa. I can only imagine the mood of the nation at that time. It makes me sad at times that politics has become the focus of many peoples lives. Everything is blamed on the President. It's not the Presidents fault that someone doesn't have a job. Look at the housing market and the banks. Who can afford to move and accept a job offer if they can't sell their house? So the job offers aren't made. Businesses can't pay for a prospective employees underwater home.

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      Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      becareful with PBS......George Soros contributes a lot to control the programming....soros calls for a nation without borders and is a huge socialist......

      1. rebekahELLE profile image91
        rebekahELLEposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think you are talking about NPR.

        I have found the PBS Newshour to be more centrist and objective. I definitely don't listen to Fox. CNN is repetitive. Networks are mostly soundbites.

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          Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          PBS and NPR but the newshour you are speaking of is pretty good an unbiased......as I have learned....no matter where you hear something or read it just fact check it and then its fine........I miss the way the news use to be....just the facts and then allowing people to decide and form opinions

  7. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    It's been this way and even worse from the very beginning, what's new is the internet and 24 hour news networks.  Jefferson and Adams attacked each other viciously, though usually through surrogates or name du plumes.  Roosevelt gave a speech during the 1936 campaign in Madison Square Garden focusing on the hatred directed at him by Republicans.  "I welcome their hatred".

    Some left-wing terrorist groups stockpiled arms preparing for battle against Nixon's goons,and carried out bombings of government-related buildings during the early 70's.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, Ron, I was about to talk about the Jefferson-Adams campaign. They called each other all sorts of names.

      And thanks for the reminder of domestic terrorism in the '70s. We haven't got any of that lately, though we have had some threats of it from the opposite end of the spectrum. (2nd amendment solution, anyone?)

      I think it's also true that the rational folks on both sides get drowned out by the cranks on both sides. Someone spouting vitriol may not be representative of the folks on his side of a given issue, but boy does the vitriol make good copy. So the nastiest elements get the most attention. It's the press's fault to an extent, but it's also the fault of those of us who watch the media that give us the vitriol. If we'd turn off the cranks, and turned to the rational voices, perhaps the level of discourse might be raised.

      Just  thought.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Today's politicians rarely challenge each other to duels for instance...

        Didn't Clinton threaten to punch William Saffire in the nose though?

  8. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    We're on our way to the county fair.

    I hate all of you.

    Have a crappy weekend. mad

    1. profile image0
      Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I hate you too Ron, Have a horrible night! lol

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hey man, that really hurt sad

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          Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          well, I meant it from the heart....I hate you, I hate you so much that I hate myself for even looking at your response..I promised myself I wouldnt cry but the hate for you is too strong  ....lol

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            *sniff* my mom used to say that to me...

            1. habee profile image90
              habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think both of you guys are being naughty!

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I could never hate you Habee.

                When I woke up this morning, my wife asked me, "Who the hell is Habee?"

                1. habee profile image90
                  habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That gave me a chuckle! Don't tell her my name is actually "Holle" (pronounced Holly). lol

                  1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I know, but I first knew you as Habee

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                Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                LOL we all needed a laugh......politics may divide us but laughter can bring us together.....I am slowly learning that must of us want the same thing being a good country and life but simply do not agree on how to do it.....now there are those who want bad things but I would like to think there are more of us whom  want good

                1. shogan profile image85
                  shoganposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  That's it, Nick.  You're learnin' right.

                  1. profile image0
                    Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    one day at a time, one day at a time

                2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                  Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "I am slowly learning that must of us want the same thing being a good country and life but simply do not agree on how to do it."

                  Indeed. But listen to the rhetoric coming from the far-right, and you'll hear "Obama hates America" and "Obama wants to destroy this country."

                  They would do well to take a page out of your book, Nick.

                  1. livelonger profile image88
                    livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    There's no money in that.

                    There's a lot of money in fomenting a lot of outrage, as Hannity, Limbaugh, and other pretenders to the throne know. They probably don't believe any of it, but they can put up an act and laugh their way to the bank.

  9. profile image0
    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago

    Wow. Is that a thread-stopper, or evidence of the answer to the original post?

  10. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Well, even a Republican thinks the current righty's are retarded.

    "Former GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel (NE) can’t muster any praise for his Republican colleagues’ behavior in Congress over the past few months. In an interviewwith the Financial Times, Hagel blasted GOP leadership for their “irresponsible actions” during the debt ceiling debacle, noting that “I think about some of the presidents we’ve had on my side of the aisle — Ronald Reagan, George Bush Sr., go right through them, Eisenhower — they would be stunned.”

    “Disgusted” with the debt ceiling negotiations, Hagel called it “an astounding lack of responsible leadership by many in the Republican party, and I say that as a Republican.” “Does anyone not believe what’s happened here the last couple weeks in the market was not a complete, direct result of the lack of confidence that came out of that folly, that embarrassment?” he asked.

    Asked about Tea Party influence, Hagel said the Republican party is too captive to a movement that is “very ideological” and “very narrow.” “I’ve never seen so much intolerance as I’ve seen today,” he said. Later surveying the GOP 2012 field, Hagel said the party may need to rebuild, agreeing that Republicans are now “too far to the right.”

    *****

    Thank you Mr Hagel. Never seen so much intolerance!
    Now SCRAM you Baggers!
    We want OUR country back from the evil you birthed.

  11. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    “Does anyone not believe what’s happened here the last couple weeks in the market was not a complete, direct result of the lack of confidence that came out of that folly, that embarrassment?” he asked.

    In other words: NOF. Not Obama's Fault.

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It was absolutely Obama's fault and he will pay the price for his failure to lead.

      1. Moderndayslave profile image61
        Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Exactly how is that? Wall St is waiting for Uncle Ben to print more money to inflate even more Americans out of a life.

        1. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Uncle Ben?

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Printed on rice paper...

      2. Mighty Mom profile image91
        Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The market's been up and down depending on the news of the day.
        Big jump the day we found out insurance companies aren't going to have to pay out as much for Irene as predicted.
        Big drop on the day the government announced stagnant employment report* and went after BofA et al for their mortgage fraud.
        Which of these is directly attributable to Obama?

        *Do not tell me Obama is solely responsible for the unemployment rate. You can't have it both ways. Either the government SHOULD be involved in creating jobs or it should stay out of the free market's way.
        Heck, the GOP won't even let him come talk to them about job creation when he wants to. Geez.

        1. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You don't see how Obama can create an environment where business doesn't want to add more jobs? That's really hard for me to believe,

          1. Moderndayslave profile image61
            Moderndayslaveposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So your saying that if there was "A better business environment" companies would create more jobs. Why? If the rank and file Americans have no money to spend,due to inflation and job losses thanks to Wall St and the previous administrations economic policies ,there is no demand to meet. Businesses hire people to meet demand,period. They don't just hire people because there's "A good President" or business policy,Which  looks like paying no taxes and doing as they please if you listen to enough republicans.

            1. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You're right.

  12. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Now SCRAM you Baggers!
    We want OUR country back from the evil you birthed."

    The GOP War On Voting

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne … g-20110830

    Funded by.......Guess Who!!

  13. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    Which is to say nothing of fixing by voting machine, the software no one is allowed to see.

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Are you already coming up with a reason for Obama's upcoming defeat? Gonna trot out the old stolen election ploy again? That's so 2000.

  14. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    You don't know me do you. Its the reason Obama will be re-elected. He is their guy.

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, I don't think there will be anything wrong with the machines, it wont be and never was a factor.

  15. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago

    If everybody in the world has to buy oil with dollars, where do they get those dollars?

  16. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 5 years ago
  17. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Alexander Hamilton was a Freemason.  He was also the intermediary between that organization and the Rothschild banking family.  His attempts to turn the US Treasury over to that group were stopped by a bullet from Vice President Aaron Burr."

    http://mycatbirdseat.com/2011/07/gordon … onic-plot/

  18. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    The whole world is infected with it.

  19. Reality Bytes profile image91
    Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago

    I do not think there is more hatred or disrespect.  I think more people are involved with the process.  They are making more noise.

    There is more accessibility to others (internet),  and for the first time people are awakening to facts.. WE have been lied to and deceived for hundreds of years.


    We are as mad as Hell  and we ain't gonna take it anymore!!!!!

    http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/dee-snider-versus-tom-cruise.jpg

  20. lady_love158 profile image60
    lady_love158posted 5 years ago

    America has a long history of criticism and animosity between political opponents. This isn't about hate at all but belief in how mankind should govern itself and what role government should play in society. We have a long history of what can go wrong when we allow too much centralization of power and when we sacrifice our personal responsibility to bureaucracy. There is no compromise between this view and that of opponents who believe government is the owner of all wealth and the agent of the people to insure its proper distribution, fairly. Consequently between those visions there will be heated debate.

  21. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Sorry, but I don't recall one time when citizens brought guns to a Bush rally. Sheehan was arrested for wearing a t-shirt announcing the amount of war dead in Iraq.
    Imagine if SHE had stood up and yelled "You Lie!" at Bush!

    There was no television network with Bush-Bashing 24/7, nor a radio blitz of Bush hate every day.

    In fact, I remember being iced out when he was prez: told to shut up, called a traitor, un-American, all kinds of nasty.
    NOW these same people are Bashing this president left and right.

    Bush was hated for what he did! Obama is hated for who he is. IMHO, and from what I see.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "Sheehan was arrested for wearing a t-shirt announcing the amount of war dead in Iraq.
      Imagine if SHE had stood up and yelled "You Lie!" at Bush!


      71 yr old man arrested for questioning Paul Ryan.


      http://uppitywis.org/blogarticle/71-yea … an-meeting

  22. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Has the U.S. become a nation of haters? Only in appearance. More like selfish, egotistical tyrants in their mind. lol Wanting to control other people. The government is sorely rubbing off on the willful ignorant individuals.

  23. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    Clicking on here, I see a new hub called The Obamy's.

    I consider that racist.

    As is Obongo.

    And I am sick to death of it.

    You don't fool me. I've been here long enough, and seen enough.

    You leave me no choice but to answer Rotten for Rotten.

    1. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What are you talking about?

  24. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    Anyone who doubts the level of Bush hate needs to go here and view the pics, watch the videos, and read about the death threats:

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

    1. TamCor profile image80
      TamCorposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      habee--Those were awful...I couldn't even finish looking at them.  What is WRONG with people?  I think some folks get so caught up in politics that they forget that the president is a human being, and also has a family who sees and hears these things...

      Both sides are guilty of these transgressions, too, when will it stop? sad

      1. habee profile image90
        habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hi, Tam. I agree - it is pretty sickening. I have no problem with folks disagreeing with the POTUS, but there's a right way to do it.

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
          Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Indeed. And yeah, there was a lot of nasty sent W's way. I'd never deny it. But I really don't think there was as much nasty at W then as there is toward Obama now.

          It's possible that it's easier to see it now, but the internet was up and running during the W years, too (which may be why the vitriol started flowing then).

  25. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    George McGovern was on Diane Reim today, and he said he has never seen it so vitriolic as now.
    He says it's because people see the other side as the enemy...and that got me to thinking I know WHY it's worse now. Because the politicians themselves are getting into the act!
    THEY are calling Obama a terrorist, saying he wasn't born here, all this muslim crap. It is the Republicans and Tea-Bagger politicians who are doing it too.

    So while Bush had hating protestors, he didn't have hating politicians and hating tv stations and hating radio shows saying the same thing.

    It's Obama-Hate overload! And now the mantra is "Obama is an utter failure........" From the gd politicians! Romney you bum.

    And none of them have lifted a finger to help him help us!

    It's worse, and it's racial and it's saying Obama hates America.......and saying I as a Liberal hate America........While spewing the vilest hate from their own mouths.

    Which nationally syndicated Democrat ever said "Bush is not MY president"?

    1. TamCor profile image80
      TamCorposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for just proving our point, LMC...and please would you knock it off with the "racial" line--it's getting old and over-used.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Somebody wroter a hub here yesterday titled "The Obamy's."

        I'll knock it off when they do!

        (in case you don't know, Mammy was a term from a vaudeville singer who used to dress up in black-face. His song was "Mammy")

        Obammy/Mammy.......get the drift. I do.

        1. Repairguy47 profile image60
          Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          How about Obamy and Grammy? Didn't actually read the hub did you?

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            No-it was insulting enough on the title. I don't give that crap even a second of my time.

            1. Repairguy47 profile image60
              Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              You didn't notice that Grammy rhymes with Obamy? Have you considered maybe you have the problem with race that you project onto others?

              1. lovemychris profile image80
                lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, I have a 12 yr old grandson that has been called a N more times than I want to know.
                And I have a friend who was framed for murder and sits in prison because he's black.
                And I lived through the 60's, 70's....saw a lot.

                And had to see it all again in 2008 til now. Makes me sick. And I'm sick of it.

                so, I'm giving back.

                From now on, Perry is "that redneck cracker".
                Palin is "the Hillbilly Honky", and Romney is "the white oreo....white on the outside, even whiter inside".

                I'll be sure to go to rallies and hold signs with pictures expressing my views....
                But oh nonononononononoooooo, heaven forfend it is racist....oh no silly, you are just confused.

                1. TamCor profile image80
                  TamCorposted 5 years ago in reply to this



                  My son was 8 years old when he was beat in the head by a 11 year old black boy.  My son-in-law has lost out on several positions that he scored highest on because he wasn't a minority.Does that make me angry? Yes.  Does it make me racist? NO!  Do I hate all blacks because of a few bad episodes? NO.  We live between two black families and get along very well with them, and I'm "buddies" with their two little boys.

                  And yeah, I lived through the 60's and 70's, too...I also saw poor white kids treated horribly by rich kids, just because they were "different"...

                  So see...this crap works both ways, but it's how we deal with it that makes the difference.  I refuse to live my life so full of vitriol and hate...I get over past trangressions and move on, just trying to be happy the best I can.

                  You may want to give it a try, LMC.  Believe me, it's a lot better on the ol' blood pressure...

                  1. lovemychris profile image80
                    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Can I aks (s/o to Russsshhhhh) you something?
                    Do you say these things to the right-wingers on here?

                    Because one of them called Obama a buffoon, and another said he was a piece of sh*t.

                    Do you tell them to give up the hatred, be a better person?

                    You'd have more credibilty if your judgements went both ways.

        2. TamCor profile image80
          TamCorposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol...Of course I know what "Mammy" is--but that is not what the hub was about, LMC.  It was "The Obamy's", as in "The Grammys" or "The Emmys".  I went over and read it after you mentioned it, because I was curious.  The hubber isn't an Obama fan, but all his "awards" were not given totally to one party or another, either.

          You'll knock it off when they do?  Don't you see that that is a MAJOR part of the problem in this country?  If one party would take the high road, and quit the hatefest, then maybe, just maybe, the other one will, too.

          Two wrongs do NOT make a right...

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Obama does take the high road...what does it get him? More bashing and racial insults.

            And I took the high road, while being slammed as a traitor by your so-called patriots.

            No more. Republicans want decency? They have to earn it!

            2 wrongs do not make a right.

            and Karma is a b*tch.

            1. TamCor profile image80
              TamCorposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              "My" so-called patriots?  I'm not sure what you mean.  I'm not Republican, so your insults don't hurt me, sorry...and I won't rise to your bait, 'cause I DO believe that two wrongs don't make a right. 

              I feel really sorry for you, LMC.  Living with this kind of hatred inside you will eat you alive someday...maybe it already has, but I hope not.

              You're right about this, though--Karma really is a b*tch. But it doesn't favor one party or another--I'd say it's independent, so no one is safe... smile

        3. Jeff Berndt profile image90
          Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You're talking about Al Jolson.

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yes.

            It was used a lot when I was growing up. They used to do it to this one black kid in particular...whenever he came around, all these white kids would yell "Mammy Mammy"..and go to the ground in the Jolson pose..you know, with the arms out.

            Such humiliation just for living I geuss. His being there bothered them.

    2. habee profile image90
      habeeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Romney? You can't blame only him. I was reading a piece by Maureen Dowd last night, and she's not happy with BO, either. Almost every comment from libs and democrats was calling for Obama to step down. You can prolly find the article online. Here, I found it for you. Read the comments:

      http://community.nytimes.com/comments/w … -done.html

      LMC, when have I ever said that you hate America? And how can you say all Obama opposition is racist? When BO has bashed Bush, was it because Bush is white? I do agree that some of the hatred for BO is most likely PARTIALLY based on racism, but certainly not all of it is. When white liberals bash conservative Herman Cain, is it because he's black?

      1. Jeff Berndt profile image90
        Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "When white liberals bash conservative Herman Cain, is it because he's black?" Some of them, probably. There are jackholes on both sides of the spectrum, and the further you get to the ends, the more jackholes you find.

        Most Obama opposition is because of his policies. I disagree with this opposition, but respect it.

        But it's undeniable that there is a significant minority of Obama-bashers that use racial slurs and xenophobic language in their bashing. Is racism why they oppose him? Who knows? It doesn't really matter. What matters is they're using racist rhetoric, which is incredibly rude.

        1. profile image0
          Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I agree that the few who are racist are ridiculous....I also agree that it comes from both sides.....it does not help when liberals say someone is racist if they have not said anything racist...personally I am a conservative but would support Obama if he was doing the right things........but because I dislike his policies as many do not we are labeled racist by many.........I assert that those who claim someone is racist when they are not are racist themselves.....Obama has a white mother and a black father......so if I am racist which half of me is racist

          1. John Holden profile image61
            John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There's plenty of black on black and white on white racism.

          2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
            Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            "personally I am a conservative but would support Obama if he was doing the right things"
            Well, imo he is doing (some of) the right things. He's also caved on a lot of things that he ought not to have caved on. We can talk about those things, and why we support or oppose them, without accusing each other of being racist.

            Personally, I don't think it's terribly useful to talk about whether someone is a racist or not. It's unimportant and a waste of energy, since it can never be proven or disproven without being able to read the person's mind (impossible).

            But that picture of Obama dressed as a witch doctor? Or the cartoon of him in the turban with the exaggerated lips? The sign calling him a "lyin' African?" That stuff sounds pretty racist to me. I don't care whether the people who made or carried those signs are actual racists or not. What I care about is that they were carrying signs with racist images on them.

            There are a few possible responses to that observation. They can say,
            "Oh, yeah, that's a good point. This sign makes me look like a jerk and  doesn't do my argument any favors. I should carry a different sign."
            This would be my favorite.

            Or they can say, "It's freedom of speech, suck it up."  or "It's just a joke."
            This is code for "I know it's a racist sign, but I don't care. I'm going to carry it anyway."

            Or they can say, "Huh? I don't really think this is a racist cartoon."
            This could open a dialogue about what carrying such a sign makes them look like to others. Maybe they'll end up switching to a less racially-charged sign, or maybe they'll still not see a problem with it. Who knows. But it's a better response than "Can't you take a joke?"

            "I assert that those who claim someone is racist when they are not are racist themselves."
            The I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I defense was overturned in Doody-head v Stinky-bottom (1985) smile

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        No, it's because he sells crappy pizza.  Liberals love their pizza.

      3. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        All thse R's do is insult Obama, and I've had it!
        Tell me what is their plan?  Oh LET ME GUESS.....cut taxes on the wealthy.

        Colossal failure? My butt. If not for Obama, we would be in much worse shape. Where's the gratitude?

        I'm not accusing you of saying anything Habee...but plenty of people here, and on national air say that Obama hates America, Liberals hate America, he is not MY president...not an American , not a REAL American blah blah BLAH. Sick of it!

        And I was called a traitor for questioning Bush....so, what does that make these candidates for insulting Obama? OH, LET ME GUSS....Patriots!

        And when BUSH did TARP, why did those Baggers have anti--Obama signs? Racist and disgusting? Where were the anti-Bush signs? It was HIS TARP!

        Herman Cain is also a nasty insulter. What is his plan? Oh LET ME GUESS. Tax cuts for the wealthy. All he does is insult Obama as if that's all it takes to get the Republican nod. Well, I guess it is, since that's all any of the R's or Bags ever do.

        Even Huntsman, whom Obama had in his cabinet...all he can do is insult.With a nasty twist.

        I'm a 60's kid....I know racism when I see it, Nobody can tell me different.
        And I heard President Obama today.....he didn't insult anyone!

    3. Repairguy47 profile image60
      Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You put a lot of emotion into your posts. These are not syndicated democrats but here is a little something for you.

      http://www.cafepress.com/nycap/492796

      http://www.sonofbush.com/

  26. IntimatEvolution profile image82
    IntimatEvolutionposted 5 years ago

    Sometimes we only see what we want to see.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Where is the democratic/liberal counterpart?

  27. Repairguy47 profile image60
    Repairguy47posted 5 years ago

    I'm sorry I called Obama a buffoon. Lets hug it out.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You also said he is not your president.

      So what, you people have "Real Presidents" to go along with your "Real Americans"?

      Obama is a fake prez, and I am a fake American....?

      Or we just don't matter, we're just in the way until you all get power back. As you have had for most of my life.

      Hug it out nothing. Just learn how to share!

      1. profile image0
        Nick Lucasposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        learn how to share...........redistribute the wealth! haha

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You said you hate Obama and he is a piece of sh*t.....you have nothing I want.

      2. Repairguy47 profile image60
        Repairguy47posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Ok, he is a buffoon and he isn't my president. I wasn't really sorry just offering an olive branch, I hope democrats never get any power again. Why should we share, when we do we are blamed for all the problems democrats have caused. Accept responsibility for this entire financial collapse and then just move along.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Need a Binky?

  28. TMMason profile image73
    TMMasonposted 5 years ago

    Respect for the office of President went out the oval office window with Monica's spit.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Really? Did you know Bush senior had gay sex parties there? It was in the papers and everything.
      And I'm SURE you know about the Franklin Cover-up? Oooooops, yup, lead to Bush Daddy's time in office.
      Iran/Contra with Reagan? Not as bad as Monica's spit?
      October Surprise?

      You know, it's beginning to look like you far righty's REALLY have a problem with sex...while everything else seems to be OK, no matter the criminality.

      Respect for the oval office went out with Rush Limbaugh.

  29. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 5 years ago

    "Waging War on Obama

    The Koch brothers are not run-of-the-mill political opponents. An investigative report last year by the New Yorker magazine on the secretive and deep-pocketed pair have shown them to be "waging a war against Obama."  They have bankrolled the Tea Party movement, climate change skepticism and right-wing think tanks, such as the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Competitive Enterprise Institute and the National Center for Policy Analysis."

    1. profile image0
      Longhunterposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Next you'll be trying to tell us you don't hate Bush, Cheney, or Limbaugh.

 
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