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Saudi women get right to vote, but can't drive yet

  1. Stacie L profile image86
    Stacie Lposted 5 years ago

    RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP)  Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, considered a reformer by the standards of his own ultraconservative kingdom, decreed on Sunday that women will for the first time have the right to vote and run in local elections due in 2015.
    It is a "Saudi Spring" of sorts.
    For the nation's women, it is a giant leap forward, though they remain unable to serve as Cabinet ministers, drive or travel abroad without permission from a male guardian.
    Saudi women bear the brunt of their nation's deeply conservative values, often finding themselves the target of the unwanted attention of the kingdom's intrusive religious police, who enforce a rigid interpretation of Islamic Shariah law on the streets and public places like shopping malls and university campuses.
    In itself, Sunday's decision to give the women the right to vote and run in municipal elections may not be enough to satisfy the growing ambition of the kingdom's women who, after years of lavish state spending on education and vocational training, significantly improved their standing but could not secure the same place in society as that of their male compatriots.
    http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-women-vote- … 00443.html
    they can vote if they can get someone to drive them to the election precinct?roll

    1. Mighty Mom profile image89
      Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That's exactly what I thought.
      Or maybe they can vote by absentee ballot roll?

    2. recommend1 profile image69
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well - it is an advance step.  Lets hope they don't screw that all up in the end by going down the stupid and divisive route that our Feminism took us ?

    3. John Holden profile image59
      John Holdenposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Or maybe, shock horror, they can walk!!

  2. John Holden profile image59
    John Holdenposted 5 years ago

    It's certainly a step in the right direction and on balance, voting or driving, I think voting is the more important.
    They can always vote for the person most likely to give the right to drive.

  3. paradigmsearch profile image87
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    I don't care. Enough with my own problems.

  4. Hollie Thomas profile image59
    Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago

    Great start and if they're ever allowed to drive the nations roads may become a lot safer. smile

  5. Stevennix2001 profile image82
    Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago

    Eh, well at least, it's progress.

  6. Ralph Deeds profile image69
    Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago

    They should be allowed to drive UNVEILED.

    1. recommend1 profile image69
      recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Or maybe their society should decide how things should be -

      imposing values from one culture onto another is the cause of more misery than the original 'issue'. 

      The general principle should be to put the things in your own house in order as an example.  The western virgin or whore female model is no better.

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        You think my comment on this forum was intended to interfere with the Saudi's right to to decide such things? Do you think driving with head scarf and veil would be safe. Do you believe women should be allowed to drive?

        1. recommend1 profile image69
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I believe that Saudi society should decide what Saudi's do or do not do.  The way to make change in another society is by example.  The western 'example' is generally looked down upon by all 'other' societies, the commodification of woman and its accompanying sexual devaluation is seen as regressive.

          Just putting the other side of the debate that those inside rarely get to consider smile

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            If you label equality as sexual devaluation you are chauvinistic by definition. Which is perfectly fine for any society that chooses to remain in the dark ages. They should have that right, as long as all citizens within that society agree to allow half the adult population to be treated as lower class or children.

            1. recommend1 profile image69
              recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              If our western attempts had produced an 'equality' it would be fine, but it didn't.  What it produced was a confusion of female domination of other females, constant tension in society as male and female apply unworkeable laws and practices to their own transient advantage - and it changed nothing in the underlying attitude of either sex to the other.

              Do not label me because I discuss these issues, I have enough of that rubbish in strident personal attacks on me because I live in China; those fools consider this must make me a commie.

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I label your argument as backward and chauvinistic. I do understand how difficult it must be for men to adapt, but don't present a flawed argument that dealing with the equality of the sexes is in any way our problem. It's apparently yours, and other men not ready to learn to deal with the change.

                1. recommend1 profile image69
                  recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Of course it is a problem for men - they have been the dominant partner for thousands of years in almost every society, only men can 'give' equality to women and if that was happening I would support it enthusiastically, but it is not.

                  The underlying issue is not mine, it is how the various attempts at equality have created more problems than it has solved.  It is how feminism has been used and abused by females.

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                    Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, you are English. I've been to Britain, but I haven't lived there. So, I don't know what you are dealing with. I'm sorry that your country has not been able to resolve this as easily as America.  But, I guess I should consider myself lucky to live in a country that has moved past those types of problems.

                    Although, I don't know how long you've been in China. Maybe the next time you go home you'll find it's all been resolved. smile

                  2. Neerizzle profile image85
                    Neerizzleposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    How has feminism been used and abused exactly?

      2. Ralph Deeds profile image69
        Ralph Deedsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        "The western virgin or whore female model is no better." True but they are exceptions not the rule as in the case of Saudi Arabia."

        1. recommend1 profile image69
          recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Not so Ralph, the virgin/whore model is the underlying basis of how all women are seen in the west.  This basic division is partly responsible for why the feminist movement fails with such acrimony - a dichotomy of reason seeing equality while the subconcious sees total inequality.

      3. Stevennix2001 profile image82
        Stevennix2001posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That's definitely true. After all, Americans aren't exactly saints to say the least, so I think it's probably best to let other countries solve their own problems, as we have way too many of our own to worry about as it is.  Besides, what may seem extreme in one culture may be perfectly acceptable in another.  Not saying that I approve of the objectification of women, as I happen to consider them the smarter ones between the two sexes.  However, I do think it's best for us to solve our own problems first before we can start dictating to everyone else on what's morally sound in life.

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    Given the option; I'd certainly grab the right to vote first. It's great that they have taken that step. And good for the Saudi leadership.

    I don't think we should expect equal rights for women too quickly throughout the world. Judging by the post of one gentleman on this thread; even western societies  still have back woods philosophies by some of their citizens.

    1. kerryg profile image87
      kerrygposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yeah, I think it's useful to remember that women got the right to vote in the US less than 100 years ago. It was not an easy fight, and there are still people around who claim we shouldn't have it.

      A lot of European women didn't get it until even later - the 40's for Italy and France, the 70's for Portugal, and thanks to Switzerland's direct democracy model, 1990 for one Swiss canton.

      Saudi Arabia is backwards on women's rights, but not by as much of a margin as a lot of people seem to think.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGyRbWIM0qg

  8. cheaptrick profile image74
    cheaptrickposted 5 years ago

    Maybe the king is looking around at his neighboring dictators and figures he better do something cool or he might be next??

    1. Neerizzle profile image85
      Neerizzleposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Haha that's probably what it is too.

  9. Stacie L profile image86
    Stacie Lposted 5 years ago

    Women are still viewed and treated as property in many nations of the world-even in the USA.
    Many men are threatened by women having some power over themselves.
    and I agree that the King is looking around and maybe getting a bit nervous..

  10. Hollie Thomas profile image59
    Hollie Thomasposted 5 years ago

    I know, in the UK there used to be such a thing as 'The rule of thumb' Whereby a man was perfectly within his legal rights to hit his wife with an instrument provided it was no wider than his thumb because 'she was his property.' I'm sure it wasn't abolished until the 1950's.

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      lavender3957posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't like to be called someone's property as being owned. I am so against this man owns woman thing. I don't think a man has a right to hit his wife for any reason. Marriage is a bond of love, to share, be equal, and caring. I don't like to be looked at as someones property. That makes you feel unwanted. Just a joke here, so a man has a right to sell his property or trade up? haha
      Glad things have changed for women in US.

  11. earnestshub profile image86
    earnestshubposted 5 years ago

    The vote has been promised to Saudi women before......... nothing happened. I'll believe it when I see it.

  12. Ron Montgomery profile image60
    Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago

    When Saudi women win the right to bitch at their husbands 24/7 for leaving the toilet seat up, or drinking milk straight from the carton, they will be ready to take their place among the women of the free world.

    1. Mighty Mom profile image89
      Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Damned straight!
      And how ya coming on that Honey Do list, anyway???

      1. recommend1 profile image69
        recommend1posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That would be a 'honey do it now !' list for Ron

        1. Mighty Mom profile image89
          Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Right. Do it RIGHT NOW!
          Except when the Colts are playing.
          (Us women of the free world are not as barbaric as our reputation. We are willing to strike certain bargains if the conditions favor us ultimately:))

      2. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I thought she meant "honeydew".  I screw everything up...

        1. Mighty Mom profile image89
          Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Ha ha.
          At least you admit it.
          Saudi Men, take note: Here is a prime example of a well trained Western man.
          He may not know his melons,but he knows his place! lol

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Not true.  If there's one thing I'm an expert on, it's melons.

            1. Mighty Mom profile image89
              Mighty Momposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              http://mitchieville.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/holding-melons.jpg

              I stand GGG corrected.

              1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
                Ron Montgomeryposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Now THOSE are my do list.

 
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